Alex:
How do you square up being in favor of racial profiling of Arabs with your stand against racial “collectivism”?
How come you haven’t, in your years of standing up to collectivism, written a single article critical of Zionism?
Are you opposed to deficit spending if it’s necessary to perpetuate the Iraq War?
Would you favor or oppose the right to selectively abort gay fetuses?
I write for my own happiness, intellectual development, and — sometimes — amusement. I enjoy the back-and-forth, with people from the mainstream to the fringe. I’ll always engage — I love the forbidden, the unapproachable, the discourse that exits the bounds of mainstream society. This is why I don’t approach you people like the idiotic SPLC does: I actually bother to reply to the points. I don’t think they’re any crazier than the statist claims that leftists advance.
Don’t worry, we can smell the genuinely interested and engaged from a mile away. It’s our red meat. Tend to your sanity son, because we’re going to put your values to the test. We’re going to engage and interest you until you put up or shut up.
I have criticized Jewish collectivism — no need to hide behind the word “Zionism,” the word is Jewish — many times, publicly. You can read the comments I made at FrumForum right now, to see.
You’ve taken a great big shit on Israel, more than once? I’d like to see that. Collectivism, schmelectivism. Zionism, schmionism. I want to see criticism of Israel as a collectivist state. I want to see PROPORTIONALITY, i.e., criticism of Israel’s collectivism proportional to its level of violation of the individualist ethic.
There is no double-standard. I loathe all racial collectivism. I can’t help but admire the Jews, though, insular as many of them are (and most of them are not, really). — Jewish culture has produced so many intellectuals, so many scientists, so many great thinkers — that it’s impossible not to conclude that the root of anti-Semitism — the singling out of Jews for opprobrium — is envy.
That’s a strong statement. Impossible?
So a smart, rich guy fucks me over and any criticism I make of him can only be motivated by envy?
But you’re right, in that I am envious of Jews. Oddly, everything I envy them for gets me called an “anti-Semite.” Very strange. E.g., I envy their special, extra-human right to an ethnostate. When I say I want for my kind precisely what Jews have for their kind in Israel, I’m a “racist,” “anti-Semite,” etc. When I say I want to cultivate ethnocentric attitudes and behaviors in my kind which are analogous to those of Jews, I’m an “anti-Semite.” When I say I want to do unto Jews as Jews do unto us, I’m an “anti-Semite.”
But the envy thing is an interesting topic. I think it’s generally used vis-a-vis ethnopatriots to attack their racial pride. E.g., we’re jealous of Jews because we’re inferior to Jews.
The trouble with this is it’s demonstrably false. Blacks follow whites around because we’re superior at creating wealthy societies. The same goes for Jews; they follow whites around because they need us more than we need them, and we’ve done more for them than they could possibly ever do for us.
And when whites ask not to be followed around, by Jews or blacks, Jews and blacks go absolutely apeshit nuts.
But if blacks or Jews ask whites not to follow them around? No problemo.
There is NO WAY to profile for this. It CANNOT BE DONE.
Er, profiling for drugs seems to be a decent proxy.
Let me correct the record for the sake of all people who philosophically consistent: all claims to right based upon ethnicity are bullshit. European, black, Jew, or otherwise — bullshit.
In other words, Israel is the world’s biggest pile of bullshit and should be at the top of your list of bullshit piles targeted for excoriation.
That aside, why just ethnicity? Why not all “accidents of birth”? So you have some wiggle room? Do people born in a country have a claim to rights vis-a-vis that country that people born outside it do not? Do people born to a family have claim to rights vis-a-vis that family that people born outside that family do not? Do homos have a right to create homo organizations, homo communities, homo schools, etc?
I ALREADY REPLIED, TWICE.
Can you people READ?
Careful Alex, your slip is showing; you just referred to and communicated with us as if we’re a collective. We’re all atomized individuals here.
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ICR:
I’m expecting you to make a big point of this-along with making denunciations of AA, state-sponsored multiculturalism and Section 8 housing) at your next MSM appearance.
That’s the real trick, isn’t it? Libertarians are long on admitting this or that, and very short on PROPORTIONALITY, i.e., correctly prioritizing threats. They admit the facts in a back room (here), then revert to type when the cameras are rolling.
E.g., holocaust denial laws (and similar umbrella laws, e.g., “hate speech” laws) are a travesty, at least according to ostensible libertarian values. Where is the greater threat to the freedom of speech in the west?
WHERE IS THE LIBERTARIAN STINK OVER HOLOCAUST DENIAL LAWS? This particular shit pile should be number one on their threats to freedom of speech list? Does their behavior accord?
I want to see PROPORTIONALITY, i.e., criticism of Israel’s collectivism proportional to its level of violation of the individualist ethic.
And not only that, I also want to see the range and frequency of discourse taken into account. Not only is Israel by far the biggest offender of your ostensible values, but also, Israel takes no heat for it outside of radical leftist and rightist venues. MAKE UP FOR THAT.
BEHAVE AS IF YOU REALLY DO TAKE YOUR FUCKING VALUES SERIOUSLY.
…But yes, I’ve taken part in some Christianity-bashing. I bash all religions.
Alex,
Can you cite a reference where you engaged in some ‘Judaism-bashing’… or at least where you engaged in meaningful, direct criticism of Jews, Zionism, or the state of Israel?
Obtuse or indirect comments don’t count, or statements to the effect that you ‘loathe all collectivisms’ and/or ‘religions’… so please, if you can, be specific.
“Can you cite a reference where you engaged in some ‘Judaism-bashing’… or at least where you engaged in meaningful, direct criticism of Jews, Zionism, or the state of Israel?”
Criticism of Jewish collectivism is all over the comments section of the pieces about me on here and on FrumForum. But it’s stupid to waste time bitching about Jews. My support for Israel is pragmatic, mostly: I despise the idea of a state based on ethnic Judaism, but, like — all states except America exist on those grounds. Why waste time bitching about Israel, which at least upholds civilized values?
Although I have to admit, the idea of putting a Jewish state in the middle of the Muslim world was probably one of the stupidest ideas of all time.
“Not only is Israel by far the biggest offender of your ostensible values”
Bull-fucking-shit. Get outside your little Jew-obsessed bubble, dude. The Jews brought European values to the barren wasteland of the Muslim world.
Actually, I’ve never even discussed white nationalist groups in public before this back-and-forth. They just don’t have any power; I’m engaging in this mostly for my own amusement. I spend more of my energy bitching about Muslims and Arab states than anything else. The culture there is just as backwards as can be!
Bull-fucking-shit. Get outside your little Jew-obsessed bubble, dude. The Jews brought European values to the barren wasteland of the Muslim world.
Going to have to respectfully disagree with you there, Alex.
Israel is a segregated, apartheid state, and not merely de facto, but de jure as well. It is essentially governed on so many levels, social and otherwise (but particularly social) by the Orthodox Rabbinate – one of which is, effectively, banning all ‘mixed marriages’ in the state (again, not just in the ‘occupied’ or ‘disputed territories’ – i.e. – the West Bank, Gaza). This is something that would throw any ‘modern democracy’ into apoplectic fits and spasms of moralistic rage. This is also something I would assume that virtually all Libertarians would be against, since it is the ‘ultimate’ form of segregation.
Anyway, here is a CBS news broadcast on segregation in the Jewish state –
CBS 60 Minutes Exposing Israeli Apartheid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYAgyv2MKyI
(Thanks for your response to my initial question to you, Alex.)
Jews have a saying- “ordinary rules don’t apply to jews.”
Bull-fucking-shit. Get outside your little Jew-obsessed bubble, dude. The Jews brought European values to the barren wasteland of the Muslim world.
HAHAHAHA! LOOK WHO YOU’RE COMPARING JEWS TO!
TOWELHEADS! You’re comparing Jews to towelheads…in earnest!
Who’s the anti-Semite, again?
All this to justify and/or obfuscate the egregious double-standards between, say, Sweden/USA/Australia, and Israel. Pathetic.
Jews have a saying- “ordinary rules don’t apply to jews.”
Lol, mine is “membership has its privileges.” 🙂
What did the South Africans bring to the Bantus, Alex?
LOL!
“Not only is Israel by far the biggest offender of your ostensible values”
Bull-fucking-shit. Get outside your little Jew-obsessed bubble, dude. The Jews brought European values to the barren wasteland of the Muslim world.
Besides, let’s accept your proposition for the purposes of argument. Let’s say it’s reasonable to pretend the Muslim world is our bailiwick the way Israel is. That doesn’t get Israel off the hook, it just puts them lower on the list than (some) Muslim states. I think EVERYONE here knows that the Muslim topic’s on the table. But, oddly, the Israel topic isn’t! And the same suspects (American Jewry) are playing both ends – atomistic propositional nationhood ethnocentrism-as-taboo for the crackers, and collectivist ethnocentric nationhood ethnocentrism-as-historical right for the yids. Do I have that about right?
Cowboys bad! Indians good!
Israelis good! Palestinians bad!
They call this chutzpah when Jews do it. They call it “extended phenotype” when you do it.
“Actually, I’ve never even discussed white nationalist groups in public before this back-and-forth. They just don’t have any power; I’m engaging in this mostly for my own amusement.”
For your amusement, eh? Dude, you aren’t offering anything of substance, just easily disproven Ayn Rand quotes. The sad/funny thing is that you imagine that we haven’t heard it all before. Ah, those benighted white nationalists! They haven’t heard the Good News of Anti-Collectivism yet. If they’ll just read Rand (who surrounded herself with an almost exclusively Jewish clique, by the way), then….
Yawn. I’ve read every word Rand ever published. It was tempting when theory was more important than truth, when platitudes were more important than reality. It is tempting no longer.
On the “theory monster” thread your entire worldview was debunked. I notice how you don’t respond to such substantive criticism, but instead prefer to focus on trivialities.
A Reader Reveals Rand Was A Restrictionist!
From: A California Reader (VDARE)
In your review of Death Of The West, you mentioned how Reason’s Brian Doherty was baffled by Buchanan’s alleged “obsessions with nationality and ethnicity,” and you added, “But they aren’t in the Ayn Rand playbook, you see.” I don’t doubt for a moment that the Objectivist establishment simply will not touch this issue. However, I cannot help but recall this quote from John Galt’s speech in Atlas Shrugged (1957, hardcover, p. 1055)….
You have reached the blind alley of the treason you committed when you agreed that you had no right to exist. Once, you believed it was “only a compromise”: you conceded it was evil to live for yourself, but moral to live for the sake of your children. Then you conceded that it was selfish to live for your children, but moral to live for your community. Then you conceded that it was selfish to live for your community, but moral to live for your country. Now, you are letting this greatest of countries be devoured by any scum from any corner of the earth, while you concede that it is selfish to live for your country and that your moral duty is to live for the globe.
The word “Now” was emphasized in the original, but today one cannot help but emphasize the rest.
http://vdare.com/letters/tl_030402.htm
…Why waste time bitching about Israel, which at least upholds civilized values?
…The Jews brought European values to the barren wasteland of the Muslim world. – Alex
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http://arabism-islamism.webs.com/index.htm
The twin fascisms that causes most massacres, wars, “conflicts” today:
Arabism is racism (Arab racism)
Millions upon Millions are/became victims of [pan-] Arabism which is the worst current form of racism in its gigantic proportions, like: Kurds Jews (not just in Israel) Berbers (the real natives of North Africa), Africans (not just in the genocide in the Sudan or in Egypt on native Nubians by Arab invaders – till today), Persians, etc.
Islamism is bigotry (Islamofascism)!
The Islamic supremacy that “works” towards its vision of “final Islamic domination on the entire planet”, from Middle east to Africa from Asia to Eurabia, from terrorism & massacres in multiple countries (like: Thailand, Phillipines, China, Indonesia, Tunisia, Morocco, Kenya, Tanzania, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon India, USA, France, Israel, Russia, UK, etc.) to propaganda, the war includes on Muslims who are not radical enough…,
Let’s face it! that entire war on Israel & the Jews since the 1920’s by infamous facsist Mufti Haj Amin Al-Husseini who started the “genocide campaign” [and continues by the children, grand children of Arab immigrants into Israel – Palestine – now convenienently called “palestinians”] in a clear outlined declaration to ‘kill all Jews’, is nothing but out of pure Arab Muslim bigotry.
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Why does biased media blame Israel defenders from vicious Arab Muslims who use civilians when they attack Israeli civilians… so that their civilians (they prefer kids to) die then parade with the casualties as “innocent victims”???
BTW
While the Islamo Arab dictatorship goes on…
Israeli [ungrateful] Arabs won’t mention FAVORITISM by democratic pluralistic multi-racial Israel in: land, courts & universities, by the same token, the totalitarian & mullahcracy dictators of Iran with its Hezbollah thugs & militant “Palestine” anti-freedom forces cast their genocide plan under “freedom fighting.”
Crypto – re: Post #99 – I’ve met wonderful Jews. People I’ve really liked, and appreciated. I’ve had Jewish friends. Not aquaintances – friends.
This is a big Red Herring (Gefelte Fish Herring?)
This is what I call the “I know a Good One” diversionary ploy. Every time I try to begin racializing some Clueless Whitey, that pesron invariably leaps to the defense of whatever non-White they know, personally. “But I know a Good One! That Black/Hispanic/Muslim/Jew is a really nice person, and really smart, and really….”
That’s not the point.
The point is that collective Jewish interests are in direct polar opposition to the interests, nay – the very survival – of Whites. Study the history of Jewish expulsions. Jews bewail, and sacralize, their eternal “oppression”. However – if one studies the actual events, every tiem Jews have been booted, the reasons generally revolve around Jewish attacks, subversion,and abuse of their Host population.
In short – what’s Good for the Jew tends to be very bad for every-one else. Their history is the history of their horrible attitudes, treatment, and attacks against every-one else. Uh-huh. It’s true.
Gays? When that big Gay Marriage debacle was playing out, in California, approx 6 years ago, I came ot the realization that I did not belive in “Gay Marriage”. I knew then that it was a sham, designed to grab power, legitimacy, and direct cash benefits. I thought, “Uh oh. How am I gonna tell my gay pals that I do not support this?”. I realized that I only have 3 gay friends left. My one male pal, that hasn’t yet been felled by AIDS, and a younger Lesbian couple. All my other male pals died of AIDS, ages ago. They were bright, funny, lively, creative, energetic, and they threw terrific parties. I really miss a few of them. But they are all dead.
That’s not too healthy, either, is it?
The really bitterly funny thing, about my 3 remaining gay friends, is that the male remains one of my staunchest supporters in White Nationalism. Most of my pals, from the Old Days, dropped me, in utter horror, when I “came out” as a White Nationalist, a few years ago. He’s not actively involved, because he has other things to do, and he knows homosexuality is not tolerated in WN circles. He agrees with this position. He’s never ever wanted to be gay. He says he just *is*. That’s the way it is. He thinks homosexuality is a terrible way to live – but it’s what he is. He completely supports my Racialist beliefs.
The Lesbian couple? The one gal is very PC. “Liberal” institutions saved her from a very, very, very bad family situation – created by “Liberal” mores. She’s aghast by my beliefs – but she’s still polite.
Her GalPal? She is not PC at all. She (secretly) agrees with everything I tell her. She’s against “gay marriage” – but I’m the only one that knows this. She’d be crucified by her “Liberal” fascist circle, if she let out her true beliefs.
Strange world, eh?
Knepper – if you are still – you will not ever be admitted to Valhalla.