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National Journal has done us a favor and analyzed the 2012 presidential election in terms of White voter preference.
Obama would have lost California, Nevada, New Mexico, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, Maryland, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Ohio.
He still would have won Iowa, New Hampshire, Oregon, Washington, Vermont, Maine, and Massachusetts. Minnesota, New York, and Connecticut would have been toss ups.
California white men went 56-41 for Romney. http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/CA/president#exit-polls
Even in NY, white men went 55-43 for Romney. http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/NY/president#exit-polls
So this totally destroys your Yankee versus Southern argument.
It’s simply exposure to minorities that decides ones voting preference, and the South has had the most exposure.
Although, whether or not your Irish do matter 😉 sorry, always gotta take a shot!
No, it doesn’t.
The South has never been able to rely upon the North when it comes down to race. You still ponied up (almost) all your electoral votes for Obama. The existence of the Union with the Northeast is a source of unending woes for the South.
Even before this election, I had spent the entire summer explaining how creating the Union with the Northeast was the worst mistake in our entire history. I’m sure that this argument is falling on more receptive ears in the South than just 24 hours ago.
Yesterday was a good day for Southern nationalism.
This is the important data from the election.
“So this totally destroys your Yankee versus Southern argument.”
There’s two parts to the argument: the reason why and the thing in itself. Ignoring the reason why for a minute there’s still a dividing line between the regions where white people vote as an racial bloc already (like the other racial groups) and those regions where they don’t (yet). So the question then becomes what’s the best way to play that?
It does seem like a viable political strategy for people in those regions who are already at the racial bloc phase to focus on secession while people elsewhere focus on getting the white vote to the first stage.
I’m really having fun twisting the knife in the conservatards at my favorite non-racist sites. I think I’m the only one posting at a lot of them right now.
If the South is voting is a racial bloc already it must agitate for independence. There’s nothing to lose.
CNN’s exit poll numbers, or at least some of them, have changed since yesterday. What’s up with that? Anyway, regarding the toss up states, whites in Minnesota voted 49-48 for Romney, whites in Connecticut 51-48 for Obama, and whites in New York tied at 49.
Whites vote 50/50 the negrophiles win. It’s that simple. In our natural political state this is acceptable. In BRA it is suicide.
What test said.
“It’s simply exposure to minorities that decides ones voting preference, and the South has had the most exposure.”
Dixie cannot afford to wait until Yankees become “more exposed” to minorities, because when that happens it will mean that our states are already overrun with them.
A better post, Hunter. Also look (as I know you have) at where the red counties are, and see (as I know you have) which counties in what northern states voted in the sixties and up to the high seventies percentile for Romney, and you will see (as I know you do) that the “solid blue North” is full of red holes and patches, and that nearly all the “solid red states” have their own blue malignancies.
All this hyperbole and posturing about the perfection of the white race born on one side of the Line, and the fundamentally evil nature of even the identical genetics that happen to be born on the other side, in order to whip up enthusiasm for a program of secession is very tiresome, and likely to be counterproductive.
I don’t believe in the “White race.”
In Europe, they don’t believe in the “White race” either. They believe that “White people” are divided into rival ethnic groups, cultures, and nations.
That’s what I firmly believe now. I believe that race exists in a biological sense. I believe in racial differences, but I no longer believe in racial nationalism, especially insofar as it includes the Northeast and West Coast.
The people who live there are nothing like us. This election like the three previous elections before it was only the most visible manifestation and reminder of that enduring cultural divide.
Jared,
I said before the election that the worst mistake we ever made in our entire history was creating the Union with the Northeast – a Union based on nothing more than republican principles, as opposed to culture and kinship.
That was the “original sin” from which the whole tragic arc of American history has flowed.
In biology cells divide and can become separate but related organisms.
That point is clearly being reached in the US.
Vermonters are not Alabamans.
Hunter,
I’d say this about Northern whites.
They are related but they are distinct enough to be a separate nation and ethnicity. There are lots of commonalities as there are between Germans and Dutch or Scots and Irish or English and Welsh, but there are clearly irreconcilable divergences in culture and worldview that are beginning to express themselves.
Hunter, I wish you wouldn’t use enemy formulations like there is no such thing as White (not true). What you’re saying is that a broad racial nationalism is not feasible due to ethnic and cultural differences (might be true).
If we can get sufficiently granular data, I would like to see the breakdown of the Northern white vote by class. I suspect the data would show most working whites who voted positively for Obama did so for economic reasons. If this is the case, it would show many Whites outside the South either voted against Obama or for him only out of economic self-defense not because they support the homosexual, feminist, BRA agenda.
I’m not dismissing your points or the case for disunion just pointing out jeppo and some of these other commenters are right the picture is not as clear cut as you’re suggesting.
“The people who live there are nothing like us. This election like the three previous elections before it was only the most visible manifestation and reminder of that enduring cultural divide.”
People who REALLY are “nothing like us” live mostly in the urban metropolitan areas of ALL states, INCLUDING the southeastern states, and there are MANY people just like us, who are as identical as it is possible to be, born both north and south of the Line.
At one time Germany was kept thoroughly divided into many different parts, good for Rome and selfish princes, but not good for Germans.
Even the Irish-English, Scottish-English, Welsh-English and Cornish-English divisions were and are unnecessary, I think — caused by unnecessary greed, and unnecessary pride, which feeds on anger (the food of pride, that makes us feel right when we are not right). It is time to give up the blood feud. Rather build on a sure foundation.
As I said above, I don’t believe that “White people” is a meaningful category.
Would it strike you as ridiculous for me to suggest that the Irish and the English are two different peoples? What about Italians and the Dutch? Germans and Poles?
The Northeast has never ever been like the South. That’s why this country was built on abstractions. Yankees and Southerners couldn’t agree on much else even as far back as 1789.
BTW, this election like all the ones before it is just a reflection of an enduring cultural and ethnic divide. In 2016, the same divide will be on display again with two different candidates.
If those people are not quarantined in their own nation-state, their rabies will continue infecting us.
@John
Curious, but did you actually bother to click on the links or even read this particular blog item, before proceeding with your usual 50-post-a-day, chihuahua-like yapping about how Southerners are so different, and then capping it off with your tired cries for “partition”? ( Funnily reminiscent of a Roman-Republic bureaucrat named Cato the Censor — always finish every speech, about any subject all, with a call for the destruction of Carthage. The guy was a standing joke among the Roman Senate and populace.) Anyway, if you had, you would notice that Obama lost the white vote almost all of the North — winning only that collection of New England states. For christ’s sake he even lost the white vote in his own state of Illinois! New York state of all places would have been a toss-up. So that kinda blows your half-baked assertions about Northern whites out of the water, no?
Go home, John. America is no more. There ain’t gonna be Southern “partition” ( even Hunter acknowledges that much of his Dixie will be solid blue in another couple election cycles) and this isn’t your homeland anyway, so what becomes of it is not your concern. Save your energy for fixing Britainistan.
Hell, didn’t you mention the other night that you now believe your children have no future here?
Chris,
Every time whites vote 50/50 which is the statistical reality up north, blacks can carry a state with great ease.
There’s no solace in seeing Michigan whites vote 50-55% GOP if the blacks can tip that balance Dem at their leisure. The win must be huge to carry a state.
If I’m a Chihuahua you are a Shitzu.
A Shitzu without a dick or a brain either.
Oregon wasn’t quite such a disgrace as it appears. Without Multnomah County Romney would have won. Too bad he is a wishy washy liberal when we need a strong leader who puts our cultural and economic interests first and foremost.
http://gov.oregonlive.com/election/2012/Map/President/
So, what am I, a political genius? 🙂
What I find striking is how much lower the overall turnout was vs. 2008. The economy is in the shitter, but we get a dramatically lower turnout? WTF? Millions of people thought this election was less important than 2008? Wow.
Apparently millions of Whites realized correctly that a vote for Romney was just a vote for more of the same and stayed home.
Rudel is back! >:)
Rudel wrote: “Oregon wasn’t quite such a disgrace as it appears. Without Multnomah County, Romney would have won.” http://gov.oregonlive.com/election/2012/Map/President/
Yes, exactly! Another case of a state within a state. Not the exception but the rule. Most of the New England states are the main exceptions: mostly solid blue. Study the trees (counties, boroughs and townships) not just the forests (states) — to avoid foolish generalisation!
Hunter wrote: “Would it strike you as ridiculous for me to suggest that the Irish and the English are two different peoples?”
No. However, much of the division of the people of the British Isles may be accounted for by a history of exploitation by different parties including some on the continent. It could be argued on the same basis that even within this “northern” state there are two or more different, what used to be called (erroneously, we know now) “white” peoples.
How many different peoples were the “no such thing as Germans” before Germany was united?
“How many different peoples were the “no such thing as Germans” before Germany was united?”
Depending on how you slice it, anywhere between 1,800 during the Holy Roman Empire (where every baron or city-state was semi-autonomous) and four dozen or so principalities and duchies right before unification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_the_German_Confederation
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/historicalgermanmaps.html
According to Limbaugh, 3 million republicans stayed home. If that’s true, I feel better. It means 3,000,000 people were smart enough not to vote for Romney (more of the same as Rudel says). Only 46,000,000 republicans to go.
The excuse freight train. Then split Oregon into two states I guess.
Svigor,
I’m not surprised considering Romney wouldn’t have done anything except make things worse by ratcheting up wealth transfers to the super-rich.
It looks like enough people to make a difference finally got tired of putting up with shit from Republicans.
Sean Hannity and Charles Krauthammer are calling for amnesty now.
“Worse is better.” It looks like Republicans got the message. Now comprehensive immigration reform looks unstoppable in the next Congress.
But wait, there is a silver lining: A3P armed with “the Mantra” will be in a position to stop this.
Thank you, Yankees.
You have also sent the message that America needs a massive amnesty for illegal aliens right now.
We are Latin America Norte.
Time to tango….
According to the exit polls, millions of Yankees and a solid majority of Whites in New England, Iowa, and the “Northwest Republic” came out and voted for Obama – who will now move amnesty to the frontburner of his agenda in the next Congress.
“The excuse freight train. Then split Oregon into two states I guess.” Fact, not excuse, and of course you know that no one thinks of literally splitting politically-and-racially-divided states!
“However, much of the division of the people of the British Isles may be accounted for by a history of exploitation by different parties including some on the continent.”
Not just exploitation but a layering of different conquering elites of genetically diverse Normans, Germans, and Norse upon a genetically diverse Celtic substrate of Cornish, Welsh, Gaelic (Scots are just 5th Century Irish invaders of Britain), Picts, and Britons. And this is just in the last 1500 years or so.
Only WNs are stupid enough to run on a platform that making our lives worse off in every possible way is “better” for us politically. Things got substantially worse after integration and the result was demoralization and the normalization of integration.
Some of these fools are even posting from California where things have got worse for thirty years while never getting any better.
Hannity is dreadful, perhaps even worse than Beck. Calling for amnesty now? Nothing their kind would say would surprise me. I’m waiting for feedback now on whether Tea Partiers have lost any confidence in them, since their failed election prediction.
“Time to tango….”
I agree with Hunter on the point that worse cannot be better. I never followed “Zen” thought patterns like that, or “less is more.” Let’s all be rational now.
Exactly what I feared the most is now coming to pass.
“Let’s all be rational now.”
In that case let’s have a cocktail before we tango!