The New Yorker: Russell Moore on Christian Nationalism

November 5, 2022 Hunter Wallace 2022 Midterms, Conservatism, Culture, Polarization, Politics, Populists, Progressives, Religion 52

Five years ago, I remember explaining to First Things and Sarah Posner how much Christianity had changed over time, which is why I didn’t think the Alt-Right should be anti-Christian. Just because Christians were in thrall to liberalism didn’t mean that would always be the case.

The New Yorker:

“Russell Moore, a prominent figure in the Southern Baptist Convention, resigned over the church’s response to racism—which Moore considers a sin—and documented sexual-abuse allegations. The theologian sits down with David Remnick to reflect on the intersection of Christianity and American politics. “Jesus always refused to have his gospel used as a means to an end,” Moore says. “People who settle for Christianity or any other religion as politics are really making a pitiful deal.” 

The evangelical theologian reflects on his split from the Southern Baptist Convention and the politicization of religion. Christian nationalism, he says, is a danger to Christians. …”

Here are the politics of White evangelical Protestants in 2022.

PRRI:

  • 58% of White evangelical Protestants identify as Christian nationalists
  • 93% of White evangelical Protestants say the country is headed in the wrong direction
  • 71% of White evangelical Protestants believe the country has gotten worse since the 1950s
  • 50% of White evangelical Protestants believe “God intended America to be a new promised land where European Christians could create a society that could be an example to the rest of the world.” 50% of Republican voters also believe this
  • 65% of White evangelical Protestants believe immigrants from other countries threaten traditional American customs and values
  • 61% of White evangelical Protestants believe America has become too soft and feminine
  • 37% of White evangelical Protestants oppose the Dobbs decision
  • 50% of White evangelical Protestants are very motivated to vote after the Dobbs decision
  • 19% of White evangelical Protestants believe “the legacy of slavery and discrimination have limited Black Americans’ upward mobility”
  • 61% of White evangelical Protestants agree that discrimination against white Americans has become as big a problem as discrimination against racial minorities
  • 33% of White evangelical Protestants believe “white supremacy” is still a major problem in America. The lowest level of support of any group in the country
  • 51% of White evangelical Protestants believe children are being indoctrinated by public school teachers and librarians
  • 87% of White evangelical Protestants believe there are two genders
  • 75% of White evangelical Protestants believe transsexuals should be required to use the restroom of their biological sex
  • 59% of White evangelical Protestants “support laws that would prevent parents from allowing their child to receive medical care for a gender transition”
  • 51% of White evangelical Protestants believe “immigrants are invading our country and replacing our cultural and ethnic background”
  • 65% of White evangelical Protestants believe the American way of life needs to be protected from foreign influence
  • 42% of White evangelical Protestants support a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. The lowest level of support of any group in America
  • White evangelical Protestants are the least likely to support establishing a pathway to citizenship (21%) and the most likely to say undocumented children of immigrants should be identified and deported (40%)
  • 15% of White evangelical Protestants have a favorable view of Joe Biden

White Christian Nationalism is thriving inside the GOP.

52 Comments

  1. “ Russell Moore… resigned over the church’s response to racism… and documented sexual-abuse allegations.”

    Glad to know the “sin” of racism takes priority over the “mistake” of sex abuse to Them.

  2. “Five years ago, I remember explaining to First Things and Sarah Posner how much Christianity had changed over time, which I why I didn’t think the Alt-Right should be anti-Christian. Just because Christians were in thrall to liberalism didn’t mean that would always be the case.”

    Antifas themselves know very well that fundamentalist believers are always ready to support reactionary strongmen should any real opportunity present itself. They know that many or most Christian fundies secretly hate the secular shitlib system and tolerate it only out of necessity, not because they really like or approve of it. In classical Marxist-Leninist parlance, conservative Christians are potential counter-revolutionaries.

  3. There have been no Southern slavers in Africa still they are permanently hindered in their “Upward mobility”…how strange….how come??

    No it´s because theyre negroes, nothing more nothing less

    They are the most useless hapless Race on this planet, not even niggers want to live with niggers
    as soon as they get enough gibs they move closer to Europeans , to out eternal detriment

    Segregate now to avoid 8th Century levels of violence down the road

  5. Russell Moore is everything that went wrong with American Christianity in the 20th century, Catholic or Protestant. For types like Moore, the only thing that matters in their “faith” is “forgiveness.” Absolute forgiveness, that’s it. That’s all there is to God and the Bible according to Moore. Just constantly forgive and surrender regardless of circumstance.

    There is of course a time and place for forgiveness, but to pretend that is the only that matters is biblically illiterate. Russell Moore’s real religion is liberalism.

    • Christianity of all denominations has not only failed to stop the tide of Anti-Whitism but has often been an active participant in promoting it.

      • All 35,000 of them. They aren’t even aware that their founder, according to the book they supposedly read, spent his entire life fighting against, and was murdered by, the very people Christians revere as “God’s chosen people”.

      • Shouldn’t Christian Nationalists try to conquer their own churches, before they try to conquer America? I mean if you can’t conquer your own church, how can you conquer a country?

        My suspicion is the Republican Party want discussion shifted to Christian Nationalism, because they don’t want to talk about immigration any longer.

          • They’re “opposed” to it except when they hire them to work (cheap labour), rent to them, or otherwise profit from immigration that they “oppose” in these polls and surveys. Such hypocrisy.

          • Hunter, I visited an evangelical church today, a pretty typical one, I think, with attendance over a hundred, all ages, and Republican political signs running the entire length of the front yard of the parsonage.

            The Sunday morning service featured a video tribute to the U.S. military, on the three large video screens, very strong encouragement to vote, prayers for the success of the election, and for the Ukrainians, and for God to punish Putin’s “greed and madness,” and give victory to Ukraine over Russia.

            The service featured an American missionary to Ukraine – who happens to be at home on furlough – who (dis)infomed the audience that “all the stories you hear about Russian speakers being persecuted in Ukraine are hogwash,” and that “nobody wanted to be liberated,” and that the Russia “invasion” of Ukraine is the “last effort to achieve greatness of a madman who is dying” (Putin). He even shed crocodile tears for the gullible audience. The music was just as awful: canned electronic accompaniment to words on the video screens, no hymn books were used. There is a large U.S. flag inside the church, a constant reminder of their real god: militarism.

            That’s the reality of evangelicalism, your so-called Christian nationalism, I’m sad to report. Evangelicalism is the bulwark of capitalism in Latin America too.

          • The American missionary to Ukraine who talks very tough abot fighting Russia but is conveniently on furlough in the U.S. reminds me of the American missionary to Haiti who fled Haiti at top speed, straight to airport with police guards, at the first hint of instability in the U.S. puppet government, leaving the church, home and everything behind.

            The evangelical missionary who praised the “brave Ukrainians” for fighting also regaled the gullible audience with the story of how he helped an able-bodied Ukrainian middle-age male friend escape Ukraine, so he wouldn’t be drafted, and one of the evangelical churches in the U.S. took him in, to help him get U.S. citizenship. That is the nature of your capitalist evangelical fake Christian fake nationalism.

          • One would think the “Christian” thing to do would be to push for peace in order to spare lives, you know, like how Christians condemn Israel for murdering Palestinians.

            The American sheeple have nothing to gain by supporting the war in the Ukraine, but much to lose. One might have compassion for the feckless Ukrainians and implore their jew president to negotiate for peace but to parrot antiwhite, pro-fag, US gov war propaganda, a socalled missionary for the Prince of Peace, is emblematic of the gross hypocrisy of Christians and their churches.

          • As with Third World immigration and anti-White discrimination, it is Christian nationalists who oppose it. By and large, it is atheists who support it and have Ukraine flags in their Twitter bios

          • @Hunter: I agree that “By and large, it is atheists,” and Wokes, who tend to display the Khazarkrainian flag in their yards, and wear the Khazarkrainian flag pins, but they are not the only ones who generally support and tell lies about the war. Evangelicals by and large believe the propaganda they are fed about the war, and they spread it. They are anti-Putin (calling him “an evil dictator,” “a dying madman,” etc.) and of course, reliably anti-communist.

            @DiCarlo: I should add that the evangelicals did pray for peace several times, during the service. On the other hand, most tellingly, the pastor also prayed for God to “grant victory to Ukraine.” They are the opposite of Quakers. They are in awe of U.S. military uniforms. They are bloody Crusaders, like the Catholics.

          • This is apples to oranges or just plain misdirection. When you speak of Christians, let’s face it, you’re counting Christians who call themselves conservatives, or more specifically, Christian Nationalists. Let’s be serious. I don’t think there are many Christians who even know what nationalism is.

            The thing is, whether one believes in God or not, it has nothing to do with it. Christians have been pro-black, for decades and they still are. But when you speak of atheists here, unlike Christianity, there is no atheist movement. People who simply don’t “believe” — Atheists, can be anyone, and the atheists you’re speaking of here, who are antiwhite, aren’t speaking as atheists. They’re speaking as Lefists. Of course, leftists are antiwhite. They don’t hate Whites because they’re atheists. They hate Whites because they’re leftists.

          • Yes shitlibs are 100% pro-Jewkraine. While it’s probably true that those Christians who oppose the Globo-Pedo’s war on Russia in the manufactured country called Ukraine are more likely to be Evangelical Christians than not, Merthyr’s account is nevertheless very disturbing.

            This is what Scofield’s heretical bible has wrought. This evil “missionary” should be de-frocked and excommunicated. He’s actively supporting a war on behalf of a Satanic, Globo-Pedo empire whose colony in Ukraine is run by one of the Synagogue of Satan whose minions have been slaughtering Orthodox Christians en masse since 2014. His type also supports Jewish-organized slaughter of Arab Christians in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq – to name a few. This fool discredits Christianity at least as much as Russell Moore does.

          • On top of it, the Ukraine gov has been totally under the control of jews since their takeover in 2014. So of course, many, many, Christians support it. What’s funny is how one knows that those people who display Ukraine flags in their front yards and support the Ukraine gov, are atheists. LOL!

          • If you look at the polls and our politics, the people who are not standing with Ukraine are the MAGA / Christian nationalist crowd. The people who are standing with Ukraine are atheist and secular shitlibs on Twitter with Ukraine flags in their bios. Atheism is strongly correlated with support for the Great Replacement.

            It is not really surprising. The same people have opposite views on nearly all issues whether it is abortion, guns, immigration, anti-white discrimination., etc You seem to have this weird idea that being a Christian makes you less rightwing or less pro-White. 80% of people who are rightwing are Christians. The people who oppose the Great Replacement and anti-White discrimination the most are White evangelical Protestants. Yes, there are anti-White Christians who are supporting Ukraine, but those people are not representative of Christians. In contrast, the typical atheist is extremely leftwing on all issues including support for Ukraine to support “democracy” or some shit like that.

          • Re: “the people who are not standing with Ukraine are the MAGA / Christian nationalist crowd (,,,) Yes, there are anti-White Christians who are supporting Ukraine, but those people are not representative of Christians’;

            I find that evangelicals do support Khazarkraine, and not because of anti-Whiteness. They support it because they believe propaganda they are taught. They mostly view Putin, Russia, and “the invasion,” very unfavorably, and they implicitly or explicitly support Khazarkraine, which is called “the most Christian nation in Europe” (probably because it is almost as welcoming to evangelical missionaries and church planting as cargo-cultic Papua New Guinea, not restrictive and resistant to it like Orthodox Russia, or banning it completely like Muslim Indonesia that borders Papua, the other half of the island); and of course, they nearly all explicitly support Israel, and implicitly support (by ignoring and denying it) the genocide of indigenous Palestinians – and of course, they are always patriotic, displaying the flag in church and supporting the U.S. military and all its imperialist wars.

            I grant you that evangelicals are correct regarding many essential doctrines and moral issues, but they are mostly very confused, deluded, about politics and economics.

          • No, it looks to me like people on the “right” are inclined to want to see an end to US involvement in this war, who you just want to identify as Christians. I want out of the war, and yet, I’m no Christian. I am on the “right”. 🙂

            And people who are democrats, they are whacko leftists. They are on the “left”. They want to help Ukraine by sending more weapons to them because they’re on the “left”. Not because atheism is important to them. ha-ha …..Sorry I can’t help myself.

            Again, it’s who is right or left. It’s not who is Christian or atheist. Who are the typical atheists? Are there not just as many, probably more Christians who support Ukraine and US funding them? Are there not just as many Christians who vote democrat as republican? They don’t vote either way because of religious belief eg, I’m a Christian so I’m voting for blank. I’m voting Republican or Democrat because I’m a conservative or a liberal. I’m right or left. Not Christian or atheist.

            While there are literally millions of Christians publicly espousing their religious beliefs because they believe it’s extremely important, or expedient for their image, I would guess, on the other hand, there are very few atheists promoting atheism, on the left or right. And why? Because it just ain’t that important. Any atheist who thinks it is important as a belief, is just as nuts as the Christians who think Christianity is. LOL!

          • @DiCarlo. I think you’ve correctly analyzed the issue. You and HW aren’t that far apart – it’s more on how each views the data. The data (assuming it’s not fabricated) supports both of you. Yes, the simple fact is that Evangelical Christians are more likely to be rightist (whatever this terms means) than Atheist shitlibs are. That’s probably because one is more likely to encounter someone who believes in basics of the older type of Christianity in such churches than in a Novus Ordo Catholic one. They would of course therefore be more likely to embrace the rightist view because it aligns with the traditional Christian one. If the church was not a mess, there would be zero Christians supporting the giant self-licking ice-cream come atop a mountain of dead Ukrainians. It’s pure evil, and Russia is (very belatedly) defending itself against the evil. Russia started no war. The Globo-Pedo Empire started it in 2014 though its Judeo-Nazi proxies, funded at first by Jews like Kholomoisky, now directly by the empire they control.

            This is not to say the Evangelical Christianity isn’t in serious trouble, as the whole Russell Moore affair illustrates, as well as the appalling event described above by Merthyr. As you note below, the Synagogue of Satan has been infiltrating and subverting the church for a long time. Scofield, Moore, Falwell, Hagee and countless others are often their paid agents for this. The destruction wrought by Scofield and his acolytes alone has been enormous, chiefly in Evangelical churches. Fr. John used a very apt term for them over at Unz: “Deicides”. It is a basic truth that no Christian should ever forget.

          • Thanks EC. When I saw Brad put up his latest topic/post: 48% of Republicans Believe U.S. Is Doing Too Much To Help Ukraine, I figured they were the Christians so I was going to ask if the other 52% of Republicans could be atheists, but I thought I better not. 😀

          • These conservative evangelicals (not just one atypical church, but many congregations of several denominations that I know) who demonize Putin and Russia are the same ones who supported Ted Cruz (aka “the White Horse of Revelation”) against Trump in 2016. Only after Cruz lost the primary did they come around to support or at least vote for Trump. Putin and Russia represent socialism and communism (greatest evil of all) to them, and they don’t like Red China for that either, which “presecutes Christians.” Support for Khazarkraine seems to them to be a cause approved by Israel, and the “Russian invasion” represents The Holocaust (and they believe in “Holodomor” too).

            Khazarkraine is very “open for business”: a welcoming mission field “ripe for harvest,” and “Satan is using Putin and Russia to try to stop the harvest.”

            It doesn’t occur to them, or they do not accept, that Khazarkraine is also very open for drug and human trafficking business, and for LGBTQPP, whereas Russia is much less open to LGBTQPP.

            Regardless of what polls and statistics tell you, this is reality. None of these people are atheists or woke.

    • “Russell Moore’s real religion is liberalism?

      Like the rest of the pulpit poltroons, he uses theology as vehice to carry his own personal opinions.

  7. For quite a few years Dr. Moore scared the hell out of me.

    Not that he, himself, was so intimidating, but, that Southern resistance to him (the historic New England Yankee mindset in a place of high authority over Southerners) was so weak.

    Fortunately, that complacency to him has gone by the wayside, so now I can take whatever he says as an unauthoritative and authority-less point of view from a declining minority.

    Thank God for the passage of time!

  8. “Here are 2 numbers to chew on today: 58% & 12%”

    When I first saw that tweet I thought he was referring to black crime statistics!

  10. So the cuckservative Christians and Israel Firsters have Russell Moore, John Hagee, et al to speak for them. But who represents HW’s fabled White Christian Nationalists? Where are their well-funded organizations?

    • If the churches were not at least partially pozzed (= operated by the Devil and his chosenites) there would be zero-percent woke evangelicals. Church of Woke dogma is nothing less than apostasy. It should result in immediate excommunication. So should any pedo behavior, grooming and the entire LGBT agenda. Christ himself is a racist according to Moore’s use of the term. Moore should be excommunicated himself. Formal notice should be posted literally handing him over to Satan, for that is who he served.

      It is a good sign that fairly significant numbers of the Evangelical folks seem to be at long last awakening to what has been going on under their noses for the last 25 years or more. That’s also one of the reasons Moore is basically a spent force within the Evangelical circles, leader of a dwindling faction of wokeism who infiltrated. Hagee is a different problem but his issue also boils down to apostasy at the end of the day. Jews do not habe a special back door to heaven. They are the Synagogue of Satan as described by Christ himself. Hagee and Moore are wolves amongst the flock.

      • The jews are greatly amused by the gullibility of Whites, especially those of the Christian persuasion:

        “Religion, too, must be taught, and through this necessity we have labored.

        With our control of the text book industry and the news media, we have been able to hold ourselves up as the authorities on religion. Many of our rabbis now hold professorships in supposed Christian theological seminaries. We are amazed by the Christians’ stupidity in receiving our teachings and propagating them as their own.

        Judaism is not only the teaching of the synagogue, but also the doctrine of every ‘Christian Church’ in America. Through our propaganda the Church has become our most avid supporter. This has even given us a special place in society, their believing the lie that we are the ‘chosen people’ and they, gentiles.

        These deluded children of the Church defend us to the point of destroying their own culture”.

        (Jews need not have their finger on every button that causes a destruction or a Judaization of Christian civilization, as in many cases they have their proselytes or “Gentile fronts” to do it for them.)

        This truth is evident even to the dullard when one views history and sees that all wars have been white fighting white in order that we maintain our control. We controlled England during the Revolutionary War, the North during the Civil War, and England and America during World War I and II. Through our influence of religion we were able to involve the ignorant white Christians in war against themselves which always impoverished both sides while we reaped a financial and political harvest. Anytime truth comes forth which exposes us, we simply rally our forces — the ignorant Christians. They attack the crusaders even if they are members of their own families.

        Through religion we have gained complete control of society, government and economics. No law is ever passed except its merits have previously been taught from the pulpits. An example of this is race equality which led to integration and ultimately to mongrelization. The gullible clergy in one breath instruct their parishioners that we are a special, chosen people while in another breath proclaim all races are the same. Their inconsistency is never discovered. So we Jews enjoy a special place in society while all other races are reduced to racial equality. It is for this reason that we authored the equality hoax, thereby reducing all to a lower level.

        We have been taught that our current economic practices are benevolent therefore Christian. These pulpit parrots extol our goodness for loaning them the money to build their temples, never realizing that their own holy book condemns all usury. They are eager to pay our exorbitant interest rates. They have led society into our control through the same practice. Politically, they hail the blessings of democracy and never understand that through democracy we have gained control of their nation. Their book (Notice that Mr. Rosenthal always refers to the Bible as their book — the white people, never as our book or the Jews’ book) again teaches a benevolent despotic form of government in accordance with the laws of that book, while a democracy is mob rule which we control through their Churches, our news media and economic institutions. Their religion is only another channel through which we can direct the power of our propaganda. These religious puppets’ stupidity is only exceeded by their cowardice, for they are ruled easily.” — Harold Rosenthal, 1976, Admin. Asst. to Senator Jacob Javitts

        • Thanks for posting this, DiCarlo. It’s been a while since I read it. As I recall, Rosenthal for whatever reason ended up breaking the Kosher-Nosetra’s omerta, even to the point of admitting that Jews worshipped Satan. According to Wokepedia Rosenthal never made this statement which was published by someone named Walter White in 1978 in a pamphlet titled The Hidden Tyranny. The interesting thing about all this is that he was very conveniently eliminated in a 1976 attack on an El-Al ticket counter in Istanbul. Jews who violate the omerta are routinely killed. El-Al has been legendary for its extreme security since the 1960s if not earlier. The PFLP organization was likely controlled by the CIA or Mossad, much as ISIS is today.

          Even if Wokepedia is somehow true, which is unlikely given it’s control by the Church of Woke, the statement above is certainly accurate. One need look no further than the Scofield Bible (1909), its origins and funding to see the truth of the basic allegation. By the 1950s, crypto-Jew Lyndon Johnson led the passage of the tax code revision which brought churches under the IRS. If churches deviate from the approved narrative they lose their tax-exempt status. Ever notice how many negroid ‘churches’ are basically Democratic party centers with no negative results? It’s a direct violation of the tax code but schlomo is ultimately in charge of enforcement.

          • Well, after all, we all know that the Protocols were a “forgery”, and of course, the Rosenthal interview never happened. Normies buy right into all that bullshit. Oh, and of course, Benjamin Franklin never expressed any warnings about allowing jews into America, and there never was a book written by Israel Cohen called, “A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century”, in 1912 that described how jews would bring blacks to the forefront and mix them with White women, and jews don’t control the media — and everything else.

  13. The blood hatred is justififed for those who persecute and torment the weak and the innocent. It is a blood curse by god on those who defy Gods laws. Russell Moore is a goddamned idiot.

  14. Theologians play the same role as the “intellectuals” of the Altright did. Looking for any little obtuse doctrinal crack to drive a wedge into, dividing the church into various denominations, severing their congress, and isolating Christians into ever more far flung “communities”. Just like the little gulags that the dissident right has become.

    The “intellectuals” are snakes in the grass. Russell Moore is one such.

  15. I noticed today in the mainstream news headlines (that pop up all the time and I don’t normally read them) that “Texas churches are violating the law” – by inviting political candidates to speak and endorsing them, explicitly or implicity. For example, Dan Patrick, a Republican candidate, was invited to several evangelical mega-churches around Texas, where he was praised and endorsed, and gave campaign speeches like this:

  16. I don’t think the Johnson Amendment will be overturned, as long as it can be applied, selectively, when needed. It is a useful tool to maintain the status quo. Mega-churches are machines that run on money and can be steered by threats of taxation and regulation, and are a conservative force, preserving the system.

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