What is the Movement?

Warren Balogh writes:

This is an excellent question.

What is the movement in 2025?

Is it National Socialism? Is it White Nationalism? Is it Southern Nationalism? Is it Christian Nationalism? Is it White advocacy? Is it paleoconservatism? Is it populism? Is it the Alt-Right or Dissident Right? How does it relate to Donald Trump and the MAGA base and mainstream conservatism?

Personally, I will say that my identity and values are rock solid. I’m pro-White, pro-South and pro-Christian. I’m a populist and a nationalist. I have always agreed with a lot of paleoconservatism, which is to say, things like immigration restriction, protectionism, an America First foreign policy, opposing cultural degeneration and so on. I agree with race realism. I can wear a lot of these hats which tend to overlap. Southern Nationalists, for example, want to preserve both our race and Christian culture.

My perspective is thoroughly American and rooted in my ethnic and religious identity. I believe in things that White Southerners in the Deep South have always believed. I’m an Anglo-Protestant. I’ve never been interested in imposing “National Socialism” on the South or America. That’s not because I have an overwhelming animus against the historic National Socialist movement in Germany. It is because I understand that White Southerners are ethnically and culturally different from Germans and it cannot be transplanted here. We have a different historical experience. The Anglo-Celtic race-soul, which owes so much to Baptists and Methodists, is individualistic and has a innate dislike of being organized. When White Southerners try to LARP as “National Socialists,” it simply doesn’t work because of our innate character. It is an ill fitting suit and anyone who is watching the spectacle can spot a fake a mile away.

Smart people who have been in the “movement” for decades are familiar with the flaws of these labels. White Nationalists want a “White ethnostate” which is an abstraction that exists only in their own minds. It is not a nation or a place. It does not command the allegiance of White Americans who are patriotic Americans. White Nationalists are culturally divided, bicker endlessly among themselves and are unwilling to move to any specific region of the country like the Northwest to form intentional communities and secede. Their political demand is only the dissolution of the United States which is a tall order.

Southern Nationalists have a similar problem although I don’t think it is as great as the obstacles to White Nationalism. White Southerners are so deeply rooted in the United States that they identify as ethnic Americans. The vast majority of White Southerners are patriotic Americans. The South is culturally distinct and millions of White Southerners are at least open to the idea of a National Divorce, but we are vexxed by the fact that the overwhelming majority of Southerners support Trump and MAGA. We also live in the Gilded Age of the Sunbelt in which states like Florida and Texas have never been more powerful or influential. Unlike in the 1850s, the North is no longer a rising industrial colossus on the cusp of dominating the Union. Northerners can’t abandon their own states fast enough to move to a dominant Sunbelt. Why would White Southerners secede from the Union when the pendulum is swinging back in their direction?

Christian nationalism has its own set of issues. The Christian nationalist movement is divided between the young, restless and redpilled and pro-Israel BoomerCons like Doug Wilson. Both factions support Trump and are pleased with the vast majority of things he is doing. White evangelical Protestants in the South have been largely successful in banning transgenderism and abortion. Several Southern states have passed age verification laws to crackdown on sites like Pornhub. Unfortunately, the Christian nationalist agenda has stalled in a lot of Red States like Ohio, Kansas and Montana, as it is divisive within the Trump coalition. Trump himself is unwilling to support a national abortion ban because a large swath of MAGA, the “Barstool conservatives,” are socially liberal and support abortion and gay marriage.

The “Alt-Right” collapsed after Charlottesville and never recovered. The “Dissident Right” no longer makes sense in the Trump 2.0 era. The vast majority of people who are “Dissident Right” support Trump’s agenda. The people who are “dissenting” now are neocons like Liz Cheney. The “Dissident Right” is just a part of the MAGA base which includes virtually all paleoconservatives, a considerable number of libertarians, all the Christian nationalists, nearly all rightwing populists and many White Nationalists. Most people who see themselves as White advocates are also happy about a lot of things Trump is doing. Collectively, the online Right has become the id of Trump’s base with people who work in the White House performing for the audience on X and trying to impress them. The outsiders have become the new insiders.

Prior to 2016, the “True Cons” ruled the roost in Conservatism, Inc., but this older faction of gatekeeping moderate suburban Republicans who supported John McCain and Mitt Romney has been obliterated in the Trump era. These Republican establishment voters have shifted out of the Republican coalition and have been reduced to about 10% of the party. Generational change has rapidly accelerated over the past decade. A whole generation of young conservatives grew up on sites like 4chan. Con Inc. simply had no choice but to accommodate them and the result is that “conservatism” is far more flexible than it used to be. Everything the old Alt-Right stood for including even “antisemitism” is now represented to some degree. Tucker and Candace Owens and other powerful influencers are highly critical of Israel.

Want to restrict immigration like VDARE? It is now the beating heart of Trumpism.

Want to wreck the global trading system to protect American workers? Trump is doing it right now.

Want to put an end to disastrous foreign wars? The wars in Gaza and Lebanon have been paused and Ukraine is nearly there.

Want to get rid of political correctness? Everyone agrees that is based.

Want to explicitly stick up for White people? The taboo on “racism” has evaporated and anti-Whiteism is being rolled back across the federal government.

Want to complain about black-on-White crime? The issue is no longer taboo

Want to do something about the trannies? It is an 80/20 issue

Want to vent about the Jews? There are people who do that now for a living like Candace Owens

So, how should we respond to this?

What even is the movement in 2025?

My controversial view is that we should take the win and work within mainstream politics at the state and federal level to advance the issues that we have always cared about. We are no longer frozen out of politics. The vast majority of things that I have always believed are no longer really taboo. There is no longer any need to identify as some kind of bomb throwing, “revolutionary” fringe character. Instead, we should present as normal people and moderates with now popular and reasonable views. There is a lot that can be done on behalf of White people, the South and Christianity that is short of our most ambitious goals, but which is now acceptable and popular among the vast majority of the Right.

Warren strongly disagrees!

He is convinced that we need “National Socialism” now! Which is fine. He has his view. I have mine.

The problem is that “NS” suffers from all the flaws that I described in Loser Pilled. It is essentially an apolitical fandom centered on a defunct political movement from a foreign country which 5 generations of Americans have been trying for 80 years now to revive here no with no success. There is no leadership. There is no organization. There is no “party” to join. There is no money. There are no candidates running for any office in the country. There is not even a will to engage in political activity.

What then are people supposed to do, Warren?

Should they watch golden oldy documentaries about the Third Reich like old episodes of Star Trek?

Should they play the Witzigmann clown like Handsome Truth and Gypsy Crusader?

Should they post long esoteric essays about Savitri Devi or Nazi UFOs hiding under the ice in Antarctica?

Should they review the latest Hollywood movies?

Should they do goon marches through Springfield like Blood Tribe?

Should they “tell the truth” about World War II history like the Civil War buffs who memorize and master the minutiae of military battles like Gettysburg?

Should they wait for “The Collapse” and the Second Coming of Hitler like Christians who are waiting for the return of Christ?

Should they go the Atomwaffle route of illegal activity and attracting federal attention?

Should they write fantasy novels like Harold Covington?

Should they convince people “there is no political solution” like Devon Stack?

If I were to adopt the identity of a “Confederate” and dress up in the uniform of a Civil War general and go out and reenact Civil War battles on the weekends, as some SCV members like to do, it wouldn’t make me an actual “Confederate” or bring back the Confederacy. I would just be a Confederacy fan. Similarly, if you were to create a “party” called the National Justice Party, dress up like a German field marshal and issue yourself a membership card, it wouldn’t make you a “Nazi” or bring back the Third Reich.

“NS” has nothing but fans … and the fans don’t want to organize and engage in political activity … but the fans are angry with people like me and Keith for pointing out that nationalism is thriving without them. The fans are angry with me for saying they have adopted a loser mindset. What else can you say though about a political movement which lacks the will and the confidence to engage in politics?

Don’t be mad at me. I’m not the one stopping you from doing anything to advance your own agenda in politics. “NS” fans have become the incels of politics.

Note: As November reminded me in the comments, Arthur Jones at least engaged in political activity on his own initiative. He lost, but at least he had the confidence to try to do something. The biggest problem with “NS” is that it is inert because it is full of losers.

106 Comments

  1. Trump simply got lucky with the Middle East situation, because Biden ended the war for him. Trump will show his true colors on Israel. He’s already cracking down on protests.

    • He’s already showing his colors with Rep. Massie of KY (only Repuke in the House who refuses an AIPAC handler). Massie is going to be “primaried” by Trump, Jared, et al.

      In the meantime, Trump’s EOs keep falling one after another to blackrobes with lifetime sinecures, all seated with Gay Old Pedoburo help. Tired of “winning” yet?

  2. “The movement” is right-wing Twitter and trying to carve out a distinct distinct factional identity within it is kind of pointless.
    The average content consumer on Twitter will just follow anyone’s tweets they like without caring whether they are WN, NRx, AF or whatever.

    Another thing I have noticed about NS-type is their delusional self-importance. I’ve heard them claim nonsense like how Elon bought X specifically to keep people from getting radicalized by wignats on Telegram. They genuinely believe that the system is scared of them.

      • Wignats are usually the ideological followers of both Nietzsche and Hitler, both of whom suffered from megalomania. Nietzsche, too, had a big “main character syndrome”, writing on the brink of madness that the human history revolved around his own appearance, or his “Übermensch.”

    • delusions of grandeur are nothing new for that crowd. striker said njp would have power in only a few short years. they never actually ran a single candidate. instead they pocketed the money, bought suburban homes in gated communities and snorted the rest.

      no one tops anglin though. this clown thinks he’s the most important historical figure since Jesus.

    • Elon Musk did in fact buy Twitter to create a kosher center-right platform for his libertarian financial interests. Hunter Wallace for example has tried to be optical the last few months but he is still shadow banned. That is proof that Musk is doing a deep and sophisticated shadow banning operation on anyone remotely associated with the far right and J-skepticism. Meanwhile Musk let’s proven disinformation agents like Spencer reach a wider audience to subvert the far right, and those who run wild are the altlight grifters and con inc. Musk is playing a very deep censorship game.

      As I will always remind everyone, Musk dropped his fake cultural mask at the beginning of January 2025, late December 2024 over the H1B issue which morphed into a larger protest against immigration generally. Musk supports unfettered legal immigration to subvert Americans and Trump reinforced his support not only for Musk and H1B, but also all mass legal immigration.

      You are a cuck for Musk, who hates you. You are a cuck for Trump, who does not care about you. You are a cuck for the Republican party, who laughs at you.

      Trump’s latest lie and betrayal is the ceasefire fraud over Ukraine. It’s obviously an attempt to break Russian momentum by fortifying Ukraine’s army to better force the “mineral” deal that DC loves because that “deal” is NATO membership by other means.

      You are a cuck for Musk
      You are a cuck for Trump
      You are a cuck for the Republican party.

      • “Hunter Wallace for example has tried to be optical the last few months but he is still shadow banned. That is proof that Musk is doing a deep and sophisticated shadow banning operation on anyone remotely associated with the far right and J-skepticism.”

        Or, (Occam’s razor), Elon Musk has a lot more important things to do at this point than reevaluating the status of every poster on X. As in, he’s not putting any effort into lifting bans on individuals he’s never heard of. Very few bloggers in the far right are on anyone’s radar at this point. That’s no reflection for the positive or negative on the work that HW does.

  3. Funny thing about White Nationalists in America is their attempts to organize almost always fail along the fault lines of the ethnic, religious, and regional differences between White Americans that the White Nationalists themselves refuse to acknowledge and therefore are consistently blindsided by. Take NJP/TRS. It was founded by Northeastern Whites and only ever had any success recruiting in the Northeast and rust belt Midwest — and immediately fractured along those lines because Midwest Whites and Northeast Whites are different and have different ethnic, religious, and cultural backgrounds. Meanwhile, Southern Whites never had any interest in the NJP at all. The only Southern White in the NJP/TRS sphere is McNabb, a Scots-Irish from Appalachia whose primary trait is he hates Scots-Irish from Appalachia.

    • I spent almost a decade posting on online forums before I ventured out IRL to try to do anything. My experience on WN forums was that WNs spent all of their time getting into endless arguments about their cultural differences.

    • if we’re going by micro ecelebrities Dingo would’ve been a way more prominent Southern NJP supporter. Was McNabb even involved in the NJP?

    • “The only Southern White in the NJP/TRS sphere is McNabb, a Scots-Irish from Appalachia whose primary trait is he hates Scots-Irish from Appalachia.”

      TRS never ceded their libertarian URBANITE priors. they aren’t too different from any other white liberal. that’s why they like living in the same neighborhoods as them LOL.

    • They never got the memo that WN required them to adopt all the cultural and religious traits of southern rural evangelicals.

  4. You state: “White Nationalists want a “White ethnostate” which is an abstraction that exists only in their own minds. It is not a nation or a place. It does not command the allegiance of White Americans who are patriotic Americans.”

    This makes it sound like you are going to settle for a hell of a lot less than Whites need to survive and remain healthy long-term. You might be pleased with American gradually becoming Mexico, with added distributed Negroes throughout society but perhaps National Socialists believe we need to get to a future beyond that level.

    All I see is a man justifying selling out for smaller than required gains.

    • Sorry, I thought this through years ago, which is the reason why I shifted focus from White Nationalism to Southern Nationalism around 2011. The South is at least a place with a common culture, a distinct identity and a history of separatism

      A “White ethnostate” is not a place. It is an abstract proposal. The best that WNs could come up with was HAC who alone had a plan to try to do something like this and no one listened to him and moved to the Northwest

      • ‘no one listened to him and moved to the Northwest,

        Forget coastal PacNW, political lunacy reigns supreme. Maybe Idaho or Eastern Oregon .

    • you losers don’t make gains
      you’ve never made gains

      you have ZERO STANDING to be talking about gains LOL

      get a job

  5. There is no ‘movement.
    Show me one group that can muster 10,000 active members ? Out of a nation of 350 million, pathetic!
    We are a few people of like minded sympathies trying to figure a way to fix this synthetic dystopia.

    (‘Cantankerous and contrarian’ hahaha 🙂
    If anything HW is one of the most tolerant and hospitable moderators on the web.)

    • Agreed. There is no movement. Whites are watching their civilization being given over to others, which will be the end of it and them.

      • > Whites are watching their civilization being given over to others, which will be the end of it and them.

        Why is this so? How did this come to pass? In order to address the problem we must first identify the disease and learn how it came to infect our people.

  6. There’s been a lot of progress but there’s still a long way to go. Support for relationships between black men and white women is still near universal among white youths. We still need an explicit white nationalist movement.

    • This is a good point

      There is plenty of true vanguard work to be done and restigmatizing miscegenation is my top example of what activists should focus on who want to be edgy.

  7. You are taking heat as a ‘sell out’ because you want to work within the system to advance the causes you care about. Warren makes your point perfectly: “I’d rather stand with the losers than crawl on my belly before the likes of Trump and Musk”. Far too many people concern themselves with personalities rather than policies and ignore the aphorism that the perfect is the enemy of good. They will always be on the losing side, because deep down that’s where they are happiest – “I’d rather..”. You see this in some politicians too. Some are destined to in opposition forever, it’s their comfort zone.

    So folks like Warren don’t engage with politics. Fine, then be a revolutionary. But real revolutionaries don’t tweet their impotent frustrations, they work hard to build revolutionary movements – or more often get arrested and locked up for sedition, or shot. I have respect for such people, at least they tried to bring about change.

    I was with you before the election in trying to persuade the politically disengaged to vote for Trump. I can’t stand Trump, but I respect what he has achieved. As the alternative was more woke Bolshevism it was just a no-brainer. Voting is not a popularity contest, it’s a process of choosing the lesser of two evils. Trump is an arch Zionist and yet he is disruptive enough to represent the best chance in decades of fixing some of what is broken in America – and it’s a real long list.

    • For a generation, we were frozen out of politics, but now that seems to be changing. There is nothing that Pat Buchanan said that is controversial anymore. I see explicit “proud to be White” stuff all the time now. The culture has changed and we should test the waters again and reenter politics

    • “But real revolutionaries don’t tweet their impotent frustrations, they work hard to build revolutionary movements”
      Say what you will about these guys but Warren doesn’t have a twitter account and they did try and create a revolutionary movement (NJP). It obviously collapsed in the most embarrassing way possible but they did throw their hat in the ring. It’s also worth mentioning that when the NJP was alive, all of their twitter accounts under the Musk regime were systematically shut down instantly whenever they’d make them. And no one on mainstream social media platforms was covering any of their protests or other publicity stunts.

      • they DID NOT “throw their hat in the ring”

        they ran no candidates, they made no gains

        they took the donations of suckers and spent it on cocaine

  8. I was just listening to Nick Fuentes live there tonight. Multiple times he told his audience not to be nazis. He said he likes what Keith is doing. If you want to listen to it, it’s during the superchat segment.
    You were very confidently asserting that Nick Fuentes and the groypers are NS in previous articles. Even yesterday, gaslighting about it after being called out. And out of curiosity I listen to Nick thinking maybe he’s changed his position over the years. Instead he’s endorsing Keith, saying we need to take a lot of the liberalism onboard, etc. Someone quoted George Lincoln Rockwell to him and Nick called GLR a “freak”.
    I’m not even particularly ideological, I don’t care if someone wants to take any of those positions. But you were called out on this and also many other blatantly untrue claims, and instead of interfacing with reality, you just double down and gaslight on the lie. You’re not even trying to be honest or accurate. You have some agenda. I don’t know what it is but it’s obnoxious and I’m not interested in figuring it out. I’m done reading this website now.

    • Nick has loudly praised Hitler and is definitely part of the fandom. He spent all of last year on his show saying things like “Hitler save us” while trashing Trump. He is one of the most well known fans in America. Alex Jones calls him Baby Hitler.

      Nick hates people like Joel Davis, but loves Kanye because Kanye also loves Hitler like Nick. He worked on Kanye’s stupid Ye24 campaign which was about literally nothing but praising Hitler. It was a pure fandom campaign. Nerds posted campaign posters and memes of Yedolf as a black fuhrer. The campaign had a swastika logo and was banned from Twitter

      Just a few weeks ago, Kanye ran an ad during the Super Bowl that linked to his website which was selling a swastika t-shirt. He appeared in Los Angeles wearing it. Then he crashed out for days on X saying he was a Nazi who hated Jews while Nick glazed him and praised him to the point of saying he should run for president in 2028. I think I wrote like three articles about it last month.

      Do you remember when Nick and Kanye went on Alex Jones to talk about Hitler and Net and Yahoo? Do you remember when Kanye started posting interracial porn on X in February and it was so embarrassing for Nick that he backed down and said he just appreciated the support for Hitler? Evidently not

      The Yedolf stuff is the single most cringe and embarrassing thing that I have seen come out of the fandom in years. It is a big reason why I wrote both of these articles which highlighted the fact that many of these Hitler fans are not even White. The Daily Mail even has polling which backs that up. Young black and brown men are far more interested in “NS.”

      I haven’t written anything about Joel Davis because what he has done in Australia wasn’t nearly as cringe and didn’t get anywhere close to the attention that Nick and Kanye have got in the U.S. I made sure to highlight that though in February to show the contrast between what Trump was doing in office, which was extremely productive, and these jack off losers with their embarrassing stunts for attention. Oh, and remember Kanye parading his naked wife around?

      Do you remember the Niggercel shooter in Nashville that Nick inspired? Those are the sort of headlines he makes.

  9. Sigh. Another yawn from a clown stuck in 1933. This Balogh fellow has always been insane. He has weird greasy hair, a pale and sickly countenance and a thoroughly unlikeable presence- the kind you want to squeegee off your monitor with Windex. Funny how such an Aryan stallion looks like he hasn’t performed a push-up since elementary school. His wife was a creator of pornography at one point.
    We do not need, and should not tolerate, such odd people to act as voices for the right in America.

  10. I understand why Warren hates, I understand it perfectly. All we want to do is mind our own business and try to live our lives in peace and instead we our being tormented by those who hate us. But he does not understand why they hate us, he needs to find out why.

  11. The true problem and difference with the abroad countries is that American activism is characterized by small and divided groups…… By small and divided bring to nothing.

  12. Why are you pretending you never identified with white nationalism and fascist movements? I clearly remember you singing the opposite tune during Trump’s first term. you were even one of the more pro-Charlottesville voices after everyone was panicking, saying we need to push through, grow our numbers anyway and accept people will be arrested.
    This article doesn’t really clear up any of the issues. Which organizations do you currently support? What political ideology do you identify with?

    • I did identify with White Nationalism in the 2000s.

      I spent about a decade interacting with people on Stormfront and other forums, but I shifted to Southern Nationalism in 2011 because I because I saw the flaws in WN. It is focused on an abstract ideal. A White ethnostate isn’t a place. Anonymous people on the internet lack cultural cohesion. WNs are unwilling to migrate, and so on.

      You’re right that I supported the Alt-Right, too, long past Charlottesville because I am pro-White. Even though I was a Southern nationalist, I remained supportive of White people and wanted a pro-White movement to succeed. But then the Alt-Right collapsed and in the process brought down Southern nationalism with it through association. Many of its leaders like Richard Spencer turned into liberals.

      All of these labels have issues and overlap to a considerable degree and have a similar relationship to Trump. Paleocons are rightwing populists are the core of his base. Christian nationalists are part of his base. White evangelical Protestants are his biggest supporters.

  13. I’ve known Hunter Wallace personally now for well over a decade and find him to be the best hard right political observer and analyst since the late Dr. Sam Francis. I knew Sam pretty well, too, and can say with confidence that HW is cut from the same cloth, as it were. Have I always agreed with HW? No, but when he has something to say I listen and give him serious consideration. And he’s right far more often than he’s wrong.

        • Great.
          I only wish someone had taught me when I was young. Ben Franklin was a big advocate for weights.

        • Had to chime in — I met you, Dr. Hill, once. Shelbyville, TN. I had only heard your voice before on The Political Cesspool radio program, and if I am remembering correctly, an offshoot program of Stormfront Radio. On TPS you spoke with grandeur about your Southern Confederate heritage. Truly inspiring! I’ve heard it said that meeting one’s heroes can be disillusioning. I found the opposite to be true. Meeting you, briefly, IRL was one of those once-in-a-lifetime events in my life that I will always value and treasure. As was the rally that day. I remain grateful to and impressed by the work of the League of the South, by Hunter Wallace in his activism days, and especially by yourself.

    • I’m not just agreeing with Dr. Hill because he’s an absolute legend; I’m agreeing with him because I, too, pay attention to what Hunter Wallace says.

      I do think Wallace ought to consider objective truth more. National Socialists may be wonky and unattractive, but are they objectively right? On the other hand, answering that requires deep dives into epistemology, metaphysics, and theology, and such things often become so esoteric they lose all relevance to modern life. The would-be southern intellectual finds himself diving full circle back into abstractions in his bid to champion particularity!

      So, while it’s true you can’t answer questions of objective truth and moral norms with straw polls and statistics, on the other hand, you can’t eat abstractions. Wallace’s commentary has a way of correcting my more abstract tendencies.

      As to the NatSocs, they’d do well to wrestle with the Southern Mind.

      Imagine working with a NatSoc, during one of his infrequent bouts of employment. He’s the guy who wants to go! go! go! Build the machine bigger, better, faster! He serves an abstract “collective” and he’s goosestepping towards utopia.

      The southerner, on the other hand, and perhaps this comes from both our Essex-like ease of mind, perhaps from our interaction with the negro, perhaps just from the slow-moving terrain of the South itself…we tend to think the job ought to support the ease and comfort of life in the here and now.

      Southerners want long lunch breaks and Fridays off early. Dirt roads, lax rule enforcement, aesthetic pleasures. This isn’t “progress” and it isn’t machine building. So Wallace is right to emphasize a difference in aesthetic between the two.

      They can shout for Mosley..

      …we shout for molasses and moonshine…

      • Scott, I think the Southern way of doing things largely comes from where we came from in the British Isles as well as living in a hot agrarian environment in America, which I think you said anyways in a different way. I agree it clashes with the Industrial North that has more German heritage as well as a mix of other influences. Both cultures have their strengths.

        Are Southerners really more lax about rules? I think we are better about maintaining proper manners, dress codes and decorum.

      • Are they right?

        The answer is no because National Socialism was never an abstract ideology like liberalism. It was a volkish ideology. National Socialism without Germans is like a car without a motor. So of course the car doesn’t crank. Why would it?

        The people we are responding to are *fans* of National Socialism. The fans don’t share a common ethnicity. They are motivated by nostalgia for a defunct foreign political movement. This isn’t what motivated the original movement.

        The fans also reduce everything wrong with the world to Jews. They believe Jews are the sole problem. Diving into that and why I disagree with that would require a long, long article. Too much for a quick response

        • ‘The people we are responding to are *fans* of National Socialism.’

          Yes, a tremendous distinction.

      • @Scott

        In regards to your comment about goose-stepping towards utopia, I think of the timeless words of Revilo P. Oliver, who once quipped that if utopia was actually achieved by the Christians, in which they spend a perfect eternity with God in heaven, then what would stop heaven’s inhabitants from eventually getting bored?

        Its fair to critique National Socialists and other ideologues and idealists for chasing utopia. The format of their assumption is exactly the same:

        “If only we did X, and if only we got rid of Y, then we’d have utopia!”

        If only we killed the rich and seized the means of production, we’d have utopia.

        The commies were probably the first to explicitly think along these lines.

        But, the Christians do it too.

        If only we returned to Judeo-Christian values and got rid of the secularists, we’d have utopia.

        Every ideology that exists today has the utopian format as an unstated assumption behind its policy proposals and its aggressive, pushy rhetoric. Every single one. National Socialists are no different. This much is true.

        Now for the “But.”

        I submit that the key difference between individuals who find their way to National Socialism compared to those who identify with ideologies such as Christian Nationalism or Paleoconservatism comes down to how one perceives Material Reality as experienced by our five senses. And, just as importantly, it comes down to how strongly an individual trusts his five senses to correctly and accurately determine what is real and what is not.

        A National Socialist who is mature and honest with himself will inevitably agree with the conclusion by Carl Sagan: “The universe is the only thing that is, was, or ever will be.”

        That’s the difference.

        We are atheists, Scott. And in my case, I’m a particularly stark example, as I can now definitely state that the only superstition I even tolerate or consider anymore is the possibility that consciousness exists after death. I inadvertently came to the exact same conclusion as Socrates upon his execution, who stated that when he dies, either his consciousness will continue to exist, in which case he hopes that he will be united with all the great philosophers that came before him,* or he will black out forever, into an eternal coma from which he will never awake.

        National Socialists, without fail, are atheists at heart. Material reality is all that exists for us, and we trust our five senses more strongly than we do the words of others – words which themselves are a substitute for the real thing a crucial distinction that Oliver brilliantly identified. We don’t doubt our senses, and we don’t resort to the old Stoic plea of “you don’t know everything, therefore, you must trust in that which you don’t fully understand or comprehend.” That logic was understandable in 700 BC as practiced by the Roman Aristocracy. Its a cop out in 2025. Its a way of admitting, “I’ve been too wrong in the past to trust me senses to get it right in the future.”

        I say that if an individuals senses work and he doesn’t use them, then he’s a coward, and if his senses don’t work and he discourages others from using them, then he’s like an egalitarian trying to drag others down to his level.

        It is rational, logical, and moral for an atheist in “The Movement” who trusts his senses to come to the conclusion that National Socialism is the penultimate ideology – the value system from which all else should flow. What’s really going on here is a debate over Material Reality.

        *Of course, this is also where the fear of eternal torment in Hell finds its legitimacy. After all, if consciousness continues after death, then how does one know he won’t immediately find himself burning in a lake of fire? Such is the scare tactic whose bluff must be called by all who are courageous enough to do so

        • No superstitions you say, yet your post is full of them.

          Want to be a proud atheist? Stop worrying about consciousness after death and start doubting the reality of consciousness in the here and now. Consistent atheists, like the penultimate jewish naturalist philosopher A. Rosenberg, take the “epiphenomenalist” position with respect to philosophy of mind, where thoughts and “consciousness” are just irrelevant, accidental, byproducts of physical brain processes. Really think about what that does to a man’s “will to power”…

          Moreover, what’s all this talk about norms and values? How many hydrogen atoms compose one unit of the “penultimate” value of NatSoc? What are norms made of?

          These questions sound ridiculous but give the lie to your position.

          I imagine a TV announcer at the end of a show: “…this episode of NatSoc was brought to you by Government Education, and also our friends from Israel…”

          As for Christianity being utopian, there’s a lot we could say about that but the best counter argument is the very words of Christ who told us: “…In this world you will have trouble, but take heart, for I have overcome the world…”

          • @Scott

            Lets just skip Go and collect $200: None of us can prove that the consciousness we experience isn’t from a “Brain in a Vat.” Your objection to the material reality of consciousness falls under the same absurd assumptions made by the Buddhists: “Its all fake, its all a distraction. None of it is objectively real. You must find internal peace through nirvana.” And of course, such a claim is unfalsifiable. Hence its absurdity. Unfalsifiable claims can be safely ignored.

            When a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to hear, it still makes a sound. When we die, the material world lives on, otherwise none of us have any objective reason to care about eternal things like race. None of this takes faith or superstition. Its all just a matter of trusting your senses. Christians don’t like to do that, because they falsely believe their senses are stained by “sin,” which itself is a false concept that was planted in Aryan minds by the Jews.

            Lastly, what you quoted from Christ is not an argument against Christianity being utopian. I now quote Oliver in full:

            ” The rejection of life, however, becomes a cowardly evasion when a perverse superstition enjoins it as a means of appeasing or pleasing a god whom we must believe, by an act of faith, to have promised that if we frustrate every instinct of healthy men and women, he will reward us after death with a blissful life of eternal idleness, which, by an even greater miracle, he will somehow prevent from becoming an infinity of boredom. If we abstain from sexual intercourse to avoid inflicting on others the curse of life and all its miseries, we are behaving rationally and even nobly, if the premise is correct; but if we frustrate our normal desires to please the caprice of a god who presumably endowed us with our instincts to inflict on us the pain of frustrating them to avoid being tortured by him eternally – a god, moreover, who is not even generous enough to help mankind to a speedy extinction, but wants it to reproduce itself and to preserve even its tares and monsters to provide his consecrated dervishes with plenty of business – we have become the cringing slaves of a mad master. If we declare that the manifest differences between races and between the individuals of every race become, for all practical purposes, infinitesimal in comparison with the vast futility of all human life, we are affirming a hope for the annihilation of all species of anthropoids capable of suffering or even of all species of animals that have sentient life; but if we believe that equality is enjoined by a god who so desires a mindless faith that he cherishes idiots and wants us to destroy every form of superiority except clerical wiles, we are simply contriving suicide for our race and a living hell for our descendants.”

            https://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/RPO_NewChrist/chap11.htm

        • > If only we returned to Judeo-Christian values and got rid of the secularists, we’d have utopia.

          The above sentence shows that DP84 understands nothing about Christianity as traditionally practiced. The tell is the false “Judeo-Christian” appellation – a phrase concocted by heretics and apostates who work for the usual suspects. Judaism and Christianity have NOTHING in common. The faith of the those who live before the Messiah came was the earliest form of Christianity. When Christ came, Talmudism (called Judaism tody) was already present in nascent form but would not be codified until some 500 years later. The Pharisees and Sadducees repeatedly described by Christ as children of Satan were the fathers of Judaism. HW’s Missouri Synod Lutherans (at least here in Southern IL near St. Louis) still adhere to it (That’s why we’re in the confirmation class now). The world is not utopia nor can it ever be made into utopia. Like equality, utopia is one of the big lies spread by Satan and his people – who include the jews. Another true opiate for the masses.

          Yes much of what refers to itself as Christianity has gone adrift, following one heresy or another – even multiple ones. At the end of the day, Oliver’s argument falls flat on its arse. He fails to account for the actual overall historical pattern and instead cherry-picks to support a fallacious argument. Christianity is *not* the root problem. The root problem has more to do with the corrupt, sinful and rebellious nature of whites, especially the elites. That’s why Christ quoted the proverb about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven.

          • @Exalted Cyclops

            It makes sense now why you always counter signal against National Socialism in your other comments. I hope you grow beyond the sophistry and copium of “Pro-White Christian” arguments. Perhaps then you might see the logic – and the righteousness – in what Hitler was doing.

            As for your arguments about Christianity, may the words of Revilo Oliver ring around the world:

            ” Zoroaster created a supreme god of good, whom he called Ahura Mazda, and a supreme god of evil, whom he called Angra Mainyu.1 In the beginning, only these two great gods existed,2 but they were antagonists from the first, each striving to his utmost to destroy the other and all of the other’s works. Each created for himself subordinate generals and legions of supernatural troops to fight for him in the Cosmic War. Either of the two gods would be omnipotent if the other were conquered; and they and their vast armies are now locked in a desperate struggle for supremacy and mastery of the whole universe, a perpetual war between pure Good and pure Evil. Since it posits the existence of two great and hostile gods, neither of whom can now overcome the other, Zoroastrianism is obviously a ditheism, a religious dualism.

            It is clear, therefore, that the Christian god’s power is limited by the power of a rival god, who is as strong and sometimes even stronger than he, and that the earth must be regarded as a kind of No Man’s Land between two opposing armies. That is precisely the Zoroastrian doctrine.

            So much had to be said at this point to make it clear that both Zoroastrianism and its late derivative, Christianity, are equally ditheisms – and that if, by some sophistry, the term ‘monotheism’ is to be perverted and applied to one, the other has an equal title to it. Both posit the existence of only two great gods, each of whom is supreme in his own territory and neither of whom can now overcome the other. And this has the strange consequence that although the good god (Ahura Mazda, Yahweh) had the power to create the whole universe and is now supported by angelic legions commanded by his trusty and doughty, archangels, and the evil god can marshal legions of mighty and valiant devils, including all the gods previously worshipped by men, both antagonists need to recruit reinforcements from the puny race of mortals and strive to enlist every one of the weaklings they can persuade.4 The cosmic conflict between the two gods and their supernatural and human armies is now a desperate one, waged with all their resources and causing infinite devastation and suffering on earth, although, bizarrely enough, the result is a foregone conclusion and everyone knows that the good god will triumph in the end and spend eternity in joyously tormenting his defeated adversary and all of the fallen monarch’s wickedly loyal and luckless followers.

            One can only marvel that so preposterous a fiction could have imposed on Aryan minds”.

            Read it in full

            https://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/RPO_NewChrist/chap10.htm

        • That book by Revilo P. Oliver that you so much admire shows only what a mad-dog anti-clerical religion-hater he was, so much so that ultimately the anti-religion cause clearly became even more important for him than the racialist cause it self. For he hated religion so much that he finally attacked even the Aryan Zoroastrian religion (which many Third Reich writers had considered exemplary of Aryan heroism), and doing so actually let the Jews “off the hook”, so to speak, since all their worst ideas had supposedly invented already by Zoroaster.

        • Revilo P. Oliver was a very vulgar (using emotion-appealing, demagogic language) and ultimately mediocre intellectual. Not totally talentless, but far from top quality. His polemical writings are riddled with factual errors. He died of suicide, as a childless man – a clear case of Darwinian failure, by his own standards. And it speaks much of NatSoc cultists like you that you consider HIM or William Pierce to have been some utterly brilliant, irrefutable geniuses.

          • @Viisaus

            A couple of counterpoints:

            1. A fuller context of Revilo Oliver’s life is that he lived to be 86 years old. He was born in 1907, came of age during the roaring 20s, got married in 1931 to a woman named Grace Needham, served as a Professor of Philology at the University of Illinois until his retirement in 1977, and then published prolifically for the next decade and a half, mostly in a magazine called Liberty Bell, which was published by German migrant George Deitz, who was a member of the Hitler Youth. Dr. Oliver had leukemia and emphasyma during his final years, and he ended his life in 1994 only after making sure his wife Grace was secure, and only after publishing what he felt must be published (My understanding is that “The Origins of Christianity” wasn’t released until after his death). The picture painted here is of a noble man who lived as long as he could and did what he knew was right.

            2. It is true that Oliver did not have children. Neither did Madison Grant. Above all, neither did Adolf Hitler. As it turns out, William Pierce did have one son, and he became a turn throat wussy. Like I said, it means nothing to have White children when they are, in the words of Jon Snow from Game of Thrones, “meat for the Night King’s army.” William Pierce’s son is effectively a Jewish agent. The children of White Christian families will turn out the same, assuming they don’t race mix themselves into oblivion first.

            3. Pierce and Oliver, in “The Origins of Christianity” and “Who We Are,” provide a fuller depth of history than anything a Pro-White Christian has ever written. The Medieval Ages are put in context as the most recent epoch – one which does not necessarily govern or determine our destiny. Christian writers such as the deceased “Cambria Will Not Yield” treat Christian Europe as the *only* epoch. As talented of a writer as Cambria was, Oliver and Pierce are more persuasive and more moving. Their narratives are better.

            4. Christianity is dying in the White world and growing in the nonwhite world. As the Bible says: “There is no Jew or Greek. You are all one in Christ Jesus.”

    • 100% Mike. Wallace understands real world politics, even more so than his great Uncle the Governor.

  14. Bickering among ourselves is certainly unfortunate. I enjoy content from Hunter, Warren, Keith, Joel, really all of the above. To our enemies all these men are on the same side anyway. We really shouldn’t let niche interests divide us. We’re really all in the same struggle. The fact of course mainly what we’re doing at this point is talking online. That’s fine, it is what it is. We all have to do what we feel we can. I have no illusions about what I’m doing. I’m an ordinary family man working a job trying to raise kids who love their White identity and embrace their Western heritage. That’s what I’m doing and that has its value. Perhaps actually organizing and pushing a political movement would be more valuable. Perhaps not. It’s hard to say at this point, but whatever you do, be intentional about it and do the best you can.

    Discussing these issues in a friendly way despite disagreements is certainly welcome. I think Keith and Joel have been pretty good natured in this regard, and I applaud that. I don’t see how Keith is “selling out” because he’s trying to shape and influence the powerful. Part of politics is dealing with the reality of things, which includes trying to make the situation at hand work for you. You don’t have to like someone like Elon Musk to try and get something out of him. I don’t care for Trump or Elon Musk much at all, but I prefer them to Biden, and if Keith thinks he can push them a bit more in our direction, more power to him.

    I think Warren needs to accept that like Keith, he is also mainly talking online. That is valuable and that is a certain type of activism, but it’s not leading a national socialist movement. If Warren wants to do that I’ll certainly support him and cheer him on.

    Hitler is generally an admirable figure. I think more than anything he was a bit of a romantic, and that was his problem. He insisted on this idea that Britain should be his friend when that was far from the truth. Taking Britain out of the game should’ve been his #1 priority after the conquest of France, instead he left Britain alive in his rear and went after the massive Soviet Union. I suppose hindsight is 20/20, but back in the day Otto von Bismarck understood that peace with Russia is virtually always the priority. Maybe Hitler was right that Stalin was about to invade, but if that was the case perhaps Hitler could’ve tried to at least stall that until he could take Britain out. Or seek out Slavic rivals to Stalin and try to cultivate disunity in the Soviet Union. Who knows, again, hindsight is 20/20, but I can’t help wish that Otto von Bismarck was running Germany in 1933 rather than Adolf Hitler, despite all the good qualities Hitler had.

  15. The only question that matters: Are you Pro White or pro-White Genocide? If you are the former (hopefully) attaching labels to it is superfluous, misleading or counterproductive. Learn from the late Bob Whitaker.

  16. TRS/NJP was and is a scam. They never put forth anyone to run in a political race. It was simply a grift so the leadership wouldn’t have to work jobs. They enjoyed sitting around and being drunks while telling their donators that it was a political party. Nothing could be further from truth. It was a grift, thankfully it was uncovered and a mass exodus occurred and the money dried up. The leadership or NJP/TRS have zero credibility. Anything they say should not be taken at face value. These are not genuine people.

  17. What GLORY has Balogh earned for himself!? LOL

    guy makes videos on an irrelevant platform (that one youtube alternative that no one used and i cant even remember the name of, it was so useless) from an irrelevant perspective: TrUe NaTsOCC!!1

    what policies has he enacted? what power has he attained? what army has he built? who even knows who this guy is?

    i only even remember him from NJP which imploded PREDICTABLY after only 1 year LOL and his goofy off-target claims like evangelicals being the secret puppetmasters of the deep state LMFAO

    also this LIGHTSWITCH BRAIN is incapable of understanding how we would support trump and elon WHEN THEY SERVE OUR INTERESTS, while he dishonestly wont acknowledge the constant criticisms we make when THEY DONT SERVE OUR INTERESTS

    as usual the TrUE NaTSoC crowd has infought and purity spiralled themselves into the lonely corners of their garages where they whine impotently at everyone who (correctly) wont take them seriously

    this fool is whining, while we are WINNING. sounds a lot like the experience this loser probably had in high school LOL

    • Alex Jones is one of the all-time biggest grifters and looks on the Internet.

      I’m not a Fuentes fan, but objectively, Jones has been worse for Whites in America.

      I was shocked he didn’t blame the CCP for the murder of one of InfoWars “reporters.”

      • I was shocked he didn’t blame the CCP for the murder of one of InfoWars “reporters.”

        Give him time.

  18. I think this weird spew of bile and hatred coming from the Hitlerite LARPer crowd since the Woods article was published is just the flailing about of a dying animal. They’ve realized that the NS branch of WN 2.0 has come to its end: The same, inevitable end that the Rockwell branch came to before it. The fact is that America is a country where populist and patriotic movements of a million stripes come and go…but the type of utterly alien ideas represented by the NS never plant deeply in our soul. We are not the same as the Germans, and we never will be. Even the vaunted Bund that they like to go on about was largely composed of recent immigrants from Germany, and their children identify as American first.
    I may identify with my Confederate ancestors, but I don’t pretend to be living in the same circumstances. These people actually believe that if they create “Weimar conditions”, then they will get to be the new Fuhrer. History doesn’t work that way: it echoes, but doesn’t rhyme.
    If you’re going to live in the past, at least live in your own past. As for me, I’m looking forward to the future. MAGA is rolling hard, and the times, they are ‘a changin’!

  19. Trying to cram Jesus and Hitler into the same bandwagon is stupid enough for me to write off anything somebody says automatically.

    It says everything about the level of autism we are dealing with that I even need to point out how much of a nonstarter that is with basically every White normie on the continent. I won’t even engage with it, there is no value in even talking about it.

    When I have been discriminated against in my lifetime its been because I am White, Male, straight, nominally Christian and from what the movement (and the leftist establishment both…) considers to be working class white trash from Appalachia.

    I don’t need to identify with a movement when I am a member of the dominant voting demographic, which already is fully engaged on pushing back on the assault against the interests of every single point of my identity.

    Thats just the online right. If you add MAGA to that which seeks to rebuild the economy that made the American middle class the most powerful demographic in world history (as measured by political and purchasing power and productivity) by reindustrialization, cutting taxes and creating a simpler and more open economic environment in which I can participate in fairly.

    What is left for National Socialism that could interest me? I don’t even own a lamp. I don’t smoke, and hugo boss isn’t my style because I spend all my time on a farm. If you got those jokes you clearly spent as much time as I have making Nazi memes on NS/WN spaces, and you should probably take a break lol.

    Go back to what I said before. Ask yourself, what are you doing that is actually accomplishing any part of the 14 words?.

  20. I am on team Hunter here. I can think of the biggest names in our movement here in America, and the ones that have lasted the longest , being the least involved in drama, like James Edwards, Hunter Wallace, Michael Hill, Jared Taylor, David Duke, Sam Dickson, and so on….., ALL have full Southern backgrounds and lineage , and for the most part have stayed away from the NS stuff.

    I remember back around the time of Charlottesville, someone in the movement who was not of Southern lineage, won’t mention names,…. was insisting to me that being a bold and radical NS type was the future of the movement and that these old timers I mentioned by name above weren’t doing enough. Well we see how that worked out.

    Hunter is right. A lot of white Americans don’t even have German heritage for starters, nor were most of us alive in 1930-1945. WW2 is an interesting topic to look back on and learn from, and I have a great deal of admiration for Germans and Austrians etc…. in general, but I don’t dwell on the topic in my day to day life and most white Americans don’t either.

    None of this is to say that I am going against Warren Balogh. He does a lot for our circles. But on this topic, I agree with Hunter.

    • If you have English heritage, you have German heritage, just removed by a couple of centuries, both genetically and culturally.

      • Genetic studies show that English people lump more closely with Celtic people elsewhere on the island, the people of Scotland and Wales, than they do with Germans. They have more pre invasion genes than is often acknowledged.

        Germany also has its own distinct regions. English people have some similarities with Northern Germans but not Bavarians etc….

        All this aside, Germans in America seem to be a proud ethnic group more than people realize, to the extent that they are willing to overlook any British heritage that a lot of times is more prominent than their German heritage. So many white people in America love identifying as anything other than Founding Stock British for some reason.

        So even if Germans are related to English people, German Americans don’t seem interested in acknowledging it. As a British American I return the favor, by being proud of my British heritage that gets overlooked far too often in America.

        All this aside, Germans in America have a vastly different history in this country and a different outlook on things compared to your typical Anglo Celtic Southerner. The exception is Germans who were here since the Founding and who were Protestant and who have largely intermixed with us. But most Germans came here as immigrants and many of them were Catholic and settled in the Midwest. They have different outlooks from your average Southerner.

        Considering all the above, it doesn’t make sense for me as a Southerner with overwhelming British heritage, to say I am German just because of an invasion from before the Middle Ages. Most Americans who say they are German aren’t even thinking like that.

        • Yep,
          There’s a reason for the term ‘Anglo-Saxon ‘ …and Jutes….and Danes (Danelaw is most of East Anglia).

          “have different outlooks from your average Southerner.”

          Yeh, they haven’t been surrounded by nggrs for 2 plus centuries…..they’ll learn.

          • United States of AIPAC, yes I am aware of those tribes from centuries ago that invaded Britain ( not trying to sound rude but just talking directly about it). They came from just one part of Germany and mixed with an already populated Britain . Their genes today don’t even make up 50% of English genes. I don’t think it is even 40%. I am actually trying to be generous and liberal with my percentages here as I remember it being a small percentage. And that is just in England I am talking about. In Britain as a whole it is even smaller.

          • Take into account that there are clusters, the population isn’t homogenous. In East Anglia there’s a lot of viking blood. Surprisingly the Welsh have a lot of German heritage from the 16th century settlement of German miners.
            Even prior to Caesar’s invasion of Britain there were Batavian Kindoms (Dutch), in Britain.

            I’m very suspicious of current DNA studies, as most are tainted with a political agenda.

          • ‘ I am aware of those tribes from centuries ago that invaded Britain’

            ‘Invaded’ my foot, they were actively recruited. After the Roman evacuation, circa 420 AD, the kingdoms of Britain paid Germans to settle in Essex, Sussex etc.
            Much the same as Catherine the Great encouraged Germans to settle in Russia.
            Germans have always been famous as great farmers and tradesmen.

            Unlike the jews, Germans aren’t expelled from nations, they are welcomed.

          • Yes United States of AIPACs, it varies by region in England etc…. the articles I read account for that but they also take overall percentages into account too.

            DNA tests shouldn’t be discounted entirely. They are pretty accurate. When labeling what constitutes “ British dna” I am pretty sure they might be going by genetic markers unique to the British Isles , or that are shared by the Scottish, English etc etc but isn’t shared by people outside the island. Because of this I highly doubt that German heritage ever gets labeled as British heritage.

            Also, people go into this usually having an idea about what they are. All my great grandparents had British surnames and maiden names. My father always talked about us being, Scottish, Scott Irish and English. Being Southerners it made sense. Sure enough around 80% of my heritage on the dna test comes from the British Isles. There were small percentages of German, French and Scandinavian which was expected. It said those genes were mostly introduced in earlier centuries. A lot of times that sort of thing can be a marker for relatability as opposed to actual blood.

            Why is there such this insistence from certain people, for people like me to recognize “ my German heritage “ over my far more dominant, established and obvious British heritage? I see it as a little hateful in a way.

            Why are we insisting that “ German “ is such a steadfast ethnicity to be taken seriously? Why doesn’t it get the same scrutiny as the British ethnicity is on this topic? People are getting labeled as “ German “ on the dna tests if they have markers unique to Germany that go all the way from the North down to Bavaria…… genetic markers that didn’t pop up in most of my dna. Why should I erase my British heritage and say I am German just because of a little bit of overlap that happened centuries ago?

          • “Why is there such this insistence from certain people, for people like me to recognize “ my German heritage “ over my far more dominant, established and obvious British heritage? ”

            Simple,
            Brits aren’t vilified every time you turn on a TV, every other movie, editorials and media commentators. Germans have been slandered and insulted at every turn since WW1. IT’S time for Germanic peoples to kick back and assert their vast contributions to civilization.

          • Fair enough, but white British people get attacked plenty also. In America, Founding Stock British get attacked more than German Americans. In our movement, British people are attacked more.

            I say let each white identity celebrate their heritage as they want. Germans can celebrate their heritage while allowing Anglo Southerners to celebrate theirs.

        • Courtney,
          Because England, Wales and Scotland have been divided by only symbolic or ceremonial borders for centuries, with no official role, people have freely moved around for hundreds of years, meeting spouse’s and marrying. In 2025, virtually nobody in England, Wales and Scotland are only English, Welsh and Scottish by ancestry. And this internal mixing likely pre dates settlement in North America and elsewhere. But here’s the thing, if you live in England and every traceable ancestor is/was your classic, traditional English person by definition, French, Norwegian, German or Danish often shows up in any DNA as well, among other things. The UK is just a Hodge podge of differing ancestries made up of settler’s from mainland Europe. But now, worryingly, settler’s from Africa, Asia, the Middle East and the Caribbean are also intermarrying and adding to the gene pool.
          Watching all this from a safe distance in Australia, I’ve concluded that I, and most in my area, have more British DNA than many Brit’s in Britain.

          • Goose, again, that doesn’t really negate what I went into in my first post above. None of this is a reason for British people in America to call themselves German Americans.

            All Europeans today overlap genetically with their neighbors to a degree, but you still see differences between regions and countries. You mentioned how English people today have bits of German, French and Scandinavian showing up in their dna. Yes, most British Americans have that show up also even though 75% to 80% of the rest of their dna shows up as British. They are still British American just like you recognize that you have British heritage as an Australian.

            And as I went into above, the people who came to America as “ Germans” were an entirely different group from the people who came to America from the British Isles. It wasn’t Anglos, Saxons, and Jutes coming over here directly from Denmark or North Germany. It was people coming from all over the region that we now know is Germany and a lot of them were Catholic and a lot of them came later than my British ancestors did. It doesn’t make sense for me to say I am German.

            You also mentioned how the Welsh , Scottish, and English mixed before the settlement of America. That actually strengthens my argument that the people who came to America from the British Isles were a distinct group.

          • ‘traditional English person by definition, French, Norwegian, German or Danish often shows up in any DNA’

            The bigger picture is that they are Northwestern Europeans .

  21. NS can only work with a coherent ethnic group, the Volk is at the heart of it and Norse Paganism plays a Curial role, how German Christianity plays a role is unknown?

    Monarchy similar to the British Crown is for me the ideal government of a new Dixie rooted in In English Christianity.

    I pray We get Their, till then it’s a Battle!

    Win!

  22. ‘being a bold and radical NS type was the future of the movement ‘

    Both David Duke and GLC tried that route long ago. It failed to catch, despite having strong dedicated personalities involved.

  23. Great article and responses to the comments, HW. Very nice to see a response from Dr. Hill! Much respect to you sir. Agree with Scott, Morris and Courtney as usual. Deo Vindice!

  24. MAGA is a con job.

    You all got sucked back onto the Gay Old Pedos plantation.

    They fooled y’all by using alt-right talking points, but fail to use state power to walk the walk because they played you simpletons like a fiddle.

    The achieved their goal by putting Whites back to sleep believing that the games system is listening to the peasants.

    Already, some MAGA train doors are having buyer’s remorse about Trump. Many more will be unhitching from repeated slaps of reality that were sold a bill of bad goods.

    Your god-emperor wants to primary the most America First Republican in Thomas Massie.

    Fell for it again. LMAO

    • Yep. I noticed that one. Only Repuke in Congress without an AIPAC manager. So much for the notion that the usual suspects have been replaced by a new “tech-bro” elite. Note how all the EO’s are being struck down by blackrobes. No pushback of any kind on it, either. It’s starting to have that putrid stench our nostrils were treated to back in 2017.

      • I see a lot of people spreading this myth.

        Thomas Massie is a principled lolbert and the fight with Trump is about his refusal to vote on a CR. It has nothing to do with Israel. Trump also fought with Chip Roy and Bob Good for the same reason. Bob Good lost his primary and is in no longer in Congress

        • Yes the fight is over yet another porkulus bill Trump wants to pass along with worthless cuck Mikey Johnson and the GOPe (who still comprise the majority of the party in both houses of congress). Massie is grandstanding to an extent too. It’s not as if the bill wasn’t going to pass. The larger point – about Trump’s actions since January 20 being much noise accompanied by very little meaningful action – stands. Yes, it’s still early in the game and this could actually change. Just noting a behavior pattern seen before with Trump.

          Apart from the porkulus bill, Massie’s been one of Trump’s more loyal supporters. As it stands, there was one D-jersey defector who voted for the bill – from a Maine district carried by Trump in 2020 and 2024 – so it passed. The Dem, sometimes described as a ‘Blue-dog’ voted for one article of impeachment of Trump in 2019. The district is 94% white.

          Bob Good was ‘primaried’ by Trump for opposing the odious GOPe Repuke Kevin McCarthy. His overall record was far above average for a member of the GOP even in terms of support for Trump. Interesting to see how Trump awards those who actually vote most in line with the agenda he claims to stand for. By contrast, I don’t notice Trump threatening to ‘primary’ clowns like Lady G very often.

      • @Exalted Cyclops,

        When an EO is struck down by a black robe that Trump appointed dur his first term makes Trump’s advisors ability to vet judges farcical.

        But, you are I can see this was Kabuki theater from the onset. Just a way for the administration to shrug its shoulders and say it tried knowing beforehand it never stood a chance of holding up.

        There’s a video of Thomas Massie mocking Trump. He said the egomaniac kept calling his cellphone, but Massie didn’t answer his calls. Eventually, he spoke to Trump, and it was 3 straight minutes of Trump yelling and threatening him.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uBmooiuN6ME

  25. When I get called a cracker, they never specify what flavor.

    I doubt it matters in the least whether we are welsh or pure bavarian phenotype. To the left we are just White, and they hate us for it.

    Stop splitting hairs over nonsense distinctions. They don’t.

    • ‘When I get called a cracker, they never specify what flavor’

      Just tell ’em , ‘fire-cracker’.

  26. Hunter-you need to stop indulging anti-social nutjobs, jump on the Trump/Musk train and ride it as far as we can. We’ve never been on the dominant side of national politics before, and we need to use this rare opportunity to inflict losses on the Left to the greatest extent possible. The Left made Trump public enemy number one back when he was actually one of them, because they required 100% allegiance with their agenda-see where that got them! Let’s not replicate their mistake. If I were you I’d spend more time conversing with James Edwards than with the assorted inconsolable nutjobs that predominate in this thread. They are often in error but never in doubt. Also- to John above(not a nutjob!) Hitler should have had Churchill assassinated in 1937- think of the British and American lives that could have been saved. Second choice-he should have made a right turn in his invasion of France, captured the British army and it’s equipment at Dunkirk, placed them in German cities like Dresden and Berlin so that Churchill would have to kill his own army if he chose to bomb innocent German noncombatants in the German cities he firebombed.

    • “placed them in German cities like Dresden and Berlin so that Churchill would have to kill his own”

      Churchill wouldn’t care.

  27. I went to federal prison for shitposting and being involved in the alt right sperg movement of post Charlottesville days. I put in hard time, more than most, for people and a cause that was hardly worth it.
    Yet Since then, I married up to a gorgeous blonde from a great family and are starting a family together.
    Personally, I have little respect for Anonymous hate fueled weirdos or armchair critics. They jacked this whole scene up and I had a part in falling in to that abysmal crap.
    The face of American White Nationalism need to be Christian, well to do, established and successful men with beautiful white families of their own, who aren’t afraid to speak up for their race. The best of the best, always and only. All this other crap is garbage. All the negativity and self-adulation is garbage.

    I stand with guys like Hunter.

    • “The face of American White Nationalism need to be Christian, well to do, established and successful men with beautiful white families of their own, who aren’t afraid to speak up for their race.”

      Well-to-do Americans are increasingly secular though. Why do you think Christian movements are always drifting towards populism? A Christian movement is self-limiting.

    • Amen Joe. Glad to hear about your success with your family after such a traumatic event like going to prison. Christ is King.

  28. So called “second coming” global Jesus monarchism and against the Republic’s of Dixie’s former Confederacy and those under the Articles of Confederation (still the law of the Land, and the US constitution is law of the Sea for the enclave on the Potomac port on the Atlantic), which is global political economy of usury communistic universal bond—slaving Zionism, plain and simple…

    • I’m approving this comment and letting it through the filter just to illustrate the crank problem in the movement. No one wants to be associated with these people.

      • This clip from Tim Pool RE: Tucker is germane to this topic broadly.

        https://youtu.be/6IJsf_fueZ0?si=-GsnJQppIPFTrvCZ

        This issue is percolating just under the surface of the current discourse on social media. It is imperative that we are correctly positioned when the debate comes fully into the light, as I think is likely to happen very soon.

        This is not the time for the dysfunctional baggage of the dissident right, alt right, WN1.0 or WN2.0 to be relitigated. It is time for the losers to be ignored.

        This is important. Losers need to be scorned. If they are tolerated, it cheapens and dilutes the merits of the winners.

        The winners are in fine form and blazing a trail forward in the public discussion, and there is no room for error right now. We don’t need another CVille or J6th fiasco, a heilgate, another Paul Nehlen or for Yedolf to be seen again in the oval office with Trump, only to then declare himself Hitler’s biggest fan in an attempt to drag Trump down by association.

        Spurn the losers. Its time they were sent into the wilderness for the greater good. Ostracism is effective. It needs to be made great again.

  29. Dear “United States of AIPAC”- “Churchill wouldn’t care” ? – He wouldn’t care 2 hoots about the loss of their lives, but he cared greatly about losing his Army and war-making capability. Like today’s Western European governmental elites, he relied on Americans (and other member states of the Anglosphere) to do his heavy lifting. Roosevelt realized this and, to pay for their essential help, stole everything worth stealing from the fat nitwit Churchill who misruled England in WW2.

    • Tulsi becoming the Director of National Intelligence was inconceivable five years ago. Activists didn’t think she would be confirmed

      • jews and neocon goys didn’t like her, after she went to Syria and met with Bashir Assad.

        That she had to fight through her senate confirmation hearing from retardican Israel Firsters like Tom Cotton has nothing to do with “activists,” that you categorized. Tulsi being a zionist got her over that obstacle.

        Now, make the case that jewish power and influenza didn’t make her retract her appointment of Lt. Colonel+Retardican ) to the post of Deputy Director of National Intelligence.

        They opposed him because he has been vocal against the genocide in Gaza aided and abused by the US in weapons and diplomatic cover.

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