I’ve repeatedly stated my view on Israel.
In the short term, I don’t think there is much that can be done about it because older voters are so strongly pro-Israel, watch cable television and because Zionists like Miriam Adelson are an important part of Trump’s donor base. This is why the Right is pro-Israel.
In the long term, it is a different story. Support for Israel on the Right is strongly related to age. Younger voters are either hostile or indifferent to Israel. They don’t consume traditional media sources. Elderly Zionist donors are also dying off. Sheldon Adelson is dead. Bernie Marcus is dead. Sheldon lives on through his wife Miriam Adelson who is 79-years-old. This isn’t going to last forever.
The voters, media landscape and donor base are all changing. The pro-Israel consensus on the Right is also crumbling, but not at the same speed with which it has collapsed on the Left.
“For the first year after the attacks of Oct. 7, 2023, the most profound effect in America of Israel’s war in Gaza was to destabilize the Democratic Party’s coalition. The reaction to the conflict widened an existing divide between pro-Israel Democratic Party elites and pro-Palestinian progressive activists and made unity seem impossible, leaving Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign especially stuck straddling a chasm.
In the second year of the war, the intra-liberal divides are still there, but the fractures on the right are also becoming significant. More so than in the Democratic Party, most Republican elites remain staunchly pro-Israel. But on what you might call the alienated right — younger, conspiracy-curious, anti-institutional and very online — there is a vogue for arguments about malign Jewish influences on Western politics, ranging from World War II revisionism to narratives casting Jeffrey Epstein as a cat’s paw for the Mossad. …
But where the larger Republican Party is concerned, I think Beauchamp’s framework underplays a fundamental tension: There’s just no way for mainstream Zionist Republicanism and the anti-Jewish faction on the alienated right to get along. …
Meanwhile, those parts of the alienated right that are most comfortable deploying antisemitic tropes also believe earnestly not just in some general theory of Jewish power but in a specific theory of Israel’s power, Israel’s malign influence, Israeli leaders and institutions and spies as conspiratorial and destructive forces in American life.
If you listen to someone like Ian Carroll, a popular YouTuber recently featured on Joe Rogan’s podcast, he’s not pushing a line that tries to reconcile support for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government with veiled antisemitism — something like: Oh, of course I support Israel, but you have to watch out for that conniving George Soros and the lords of international finance. To the contrary, Carroll very explicitly states that Zionism and Israeli influence are at the root of America’s problems. “Our country is controlled by an international criminal organization that grew out of the Jewish mob and now hides in modern Zionism behind cries of ‘antisemitism,’” he wrote on X last year, introducing a video titled “Evidence of a Zionist Mafia- How Israel Controls the US and Global Politics.”
Unlike some activists, I don’t consider Israel and Zionism the most important issue.
Whether or not Israel, a state the size of New Jersey, continues to exist in the Middle East is far less important than domestic issues like identity and immigration. Quelling a Third World invasion of America matters more than our foreign policy. I sympathize with my own people far more than foreigners. I think some activists have this relationship backwards. They care more about Palestinians, Yemen, Iran and Lebanon than White Americans. Some of them don’t even seem to like White Americans.
A quick history lesson. Zionists were chummy with the Kaiser, based in Berlin and at large in the Second Reich. and Judaism in Europe and America was closely related to being culturally German. And look at what the Tribe have done to the memory of the Germans. After butchering them.
US foreign policy under the control of the Israel Lobby isn’t just bad for Palestinians, Yemenis, Lebanese and Iranians.
It is also bad for White Americans.
Our tax money is wasted.
The lives of our servicemen are put at risk.
Our export opportunities are hampered.
Both Europe and America are flooded with refugees because of the Israel Lobby wars.
Our REAL enemy, Al-Qaeda, benefits from these unnecessary counterproductive wars.
The resulting chaos forces our fellow Christians out of the region where Christianity originated.
The Israel Lobby drove us to the brink of war with nuclear Russia.
But worst of all is the damage to our reputation. Jews commit war crimes and Jews reap all the benefits of those crimes, but White American evangelical Christians are being scapegoated for the crimes of the Jews.
When Biden was president, it was clear that Jews were responsible. The most important cabinet members were all Jews – Blinken, Garland, Mayorkas, Yellen. Biden’s chiefs of staff were Jews. The Senate majority leader was Chuck Schumer. Sometimes the only person who voted against pro-Israel resolutions was isolationist Republican Thomas Massie, for which Schumer attacked him as an “antisemite”. This opened many eyes.
Now, however, Pete Hegseth’s cross tattoos and Mike Huckabee’s misquoted bible verses are playing into the false narrative that White evangelicals are the driving force behind Zionist war crimes.
Our people are being setup as the patsies, the fall guys, the scapegoats.
We need to open their eyes, let them know what a dirty trick is being played on them – before it is too late.
I remember how naive White evangelical support for George W. Bush’s Iraq war played right into the hands of the cultural left, how they used the scandal to gain cultural power – even though cultural leftist Jewish Neocons were the real villains.
Now the same thing is happening again, but this time all the REAL nationalists and REAL conservatives are either retired like Pat Buchanan, or they are shamelessly shilling for the Israel Lobby by giving unconditional support to Donald Trump.
I can forgive the people who don’t know any better because they simply haven’t been paying attention.
But I don’t understand the people who know better.
“Owning the wignats” is more important than warning your people that they are walking into a trap?
Wignats have one issue.
Their issue is Jews and Israel. Their strategy is to lose at politics indefinitely and their demand is that everyone else go along with them in their crusade.
As a result, they have taken a position that is irreconcilable with all other concerns. What if you care more about immigration than Israel? What if you care about guns or the economy or dozens of issues more than Israel?
The wignat response is that their obsession with Jews and Israel is the only issue that matters. My response is that I don’t share their view. I think foreign policy is far less important than domestic concerns which is why I supported Trump
You can’t look at the ongoing implosion of the daily wire and reach the honest opinion that jews are still in control of the media.
I hope Matt Walsh can get out of that situation without wrecking his brand.
HW! You need to watch Tuckers interview with Steve Witkoff. It was good. Answered alot of my questions and spoke to alot of the concerns I’ve had over the direction of these major conflicts.
I watched the first 35 minutes yesterday
Witkoff’s statements were horrifying, and Tucker’s softball interview was disappointing.
America isn’t even priority #2 for Trump and Witkoff. Israel is clearly priority #1, and the rich Gulf States (Saudi, Qatar etc.) are priority #2. America is, at best, priority #3.
The low point of the interview was when Witkoff defended Jolani, despite the sectarian massacres perpetrated by HTS in Syria and Lebanon THIS YEAR. These massacres were far worse than anything Hamas ever did. Unlike Hamas, HTS (aka Al-Qaeda), is OUR enemy. Every terror attack in America and Europe in the past 35 years was the work of Al-Qaeda or similar Sunni supremacist groups – not Palestinians, not Shiites, and not secular Arab nationalists.
HTS is a defacto ally of Israel against Hezbollah. Qatar and Saudi Arabia have a history of financing HTS.
We need to hold the president accountable for his failure to defend AMERICAN interests against foreign interests such as Israel and the Gulf States.
HW,
All of “other issues” are intimately tied to the JQ/JP, but your inability intentionally or not to clear your koshservative MAGA arterial plaques of the mind cause you to fail to understand that removing the JP is key to #winning on the other issues. Literally, the JQ is the elephant in the room.
Not obsessed. Mentioned the Jews four times in only 6 lines.
I think your inability to even use words like “conservative” correctly without conflating them with your pet cause also speaks volumes. You do know that there’s a big wide world outside of the Jews and Israel, right? There’s even history that doesn’t revolve around either them OR a blink and you’ll miss it German political movement from a century ago.
WU,
No apologies for evangelicals. They’re not only biblically ignorant, but put thier love of Isreal above love of Christ. A pox on thier lot.
Luther’s Turd
Great post. It is odd to me that anyone thinks we are in the Trump Club. We are not.
Now with this public split from the “wignats” White people are once again divided but it will not matter because yes – Evangelical support for Israel from the top down is now represented by White people. Doesn’t matter what religion you belong to.
The stuff Trump is tweeting and proclaiming isn’t to “own the libs” because both he and Musk know none of it is going anywhere. The plane of illegals that right-wing Israel first influencers are outraged about was 100 illegals. Out of 11-12 million, some say 25 million.
Why hasn’t the do-nothing republican congress passed a single piece of legislation to actually do something about illegal immigration? Yes because they are lazy, grifting bums but also because their big money donors want slave wage workers. We still do not see that?
This rapid fire EO garbage is a distraction for MAGA. Articles about “Trumps new America”… There’s nothing new. Tax cuts for billionaires and Israel running Trump. I swear they’ve got something on him.
Yours is the David Duke view , narrative to blame Israel and the Js for all the horrors , chaos , ethnic cleansing of Whiter Christians in the Middle East .
IMO bad Arabs , Turks , Pakistanis, Mongrel and Black Muslims do the horrible things they do to us and others because … that s what they do .
Sane as the worst Black American hate ha White people , urban uprisings in Detroit , Newark 1967 , West side here in Chicago 1968 , or Rodney King LA Riots 1991, Fentanyl Floyd George Floyd BLM I’m that Jew Minneapolis mayor break dancing towns – Yes Jews ( through their monopolization of the USA media ) incite Blacks to riot and loot , George Soros and now his evil son ( history s must powerful , evil Jew money changer , currency speculator ) they flame the fires of Black , POC and even Muslim envy and resentment of us Whites , but IMO the worst Blacks , POC, mo Greeks and Muslims in hell holes such as Haiti , Liberia , some Algerian no go zones in France , Sweden and England – they would still do the destructive ant White things they do without the Jews it without the IDF bombing Gaza , Lebanon .
Look at the Muslim Turk conquest , rape, slaughter and enslavement of our White Greek kinsmen in Constantinople or Athens for that matter .
Arabs , Turks , Pakistani and Ming tel Muslim have plenty of their own places they don t need any more of ours .
We re Ha Whites – we should take our own side , not the Palestinian , Muslim side , Black side or the Jew s side .
Kindness means being kind to our own ha White kind .
Zionists are on our side. Jewish elites are getting redpilled and going fascist. Mark Zuckerberg is allowing the boomers to get redpilled on facebook. Anyone countersignalling Zionism and Israel at this point is suspicious.
@Mike,
Tell your handler that the goyim know.
Crappy deflection, Schlomo. Everyone knows zionists assassinated JFK, had a hand in 9/11, responsible for endless wars for pissrael, blackmailed and bribed the US Congress and presidents, cost us tens of billions of dollars in foreign aid, and make us as hated as you are globally.
Gonald the grate and the trumptards prove every day and every way the jews are right about the goyim
Immigration, Trump is doing fuck all but putting the focus on deporting pro Palestinian protestors. The economy, Trump sending more money to Israel yet has the audacity to talk about saving money, building a war economy for war with China because ZOG sees the threat China poses to Israel. Guns, what about them, Trump doesn’t care.
Trump is an absolute disaster for white interests.
Hitler referred to the Jews as the “divisive fungus of humanity” [“Spaltpilz der Menschheit”]. Israel could be described as the world’s bone of contention, an artificial thorn in the flesh of its surroundings, an eternally bleeding wound under a dirty bandage, a generator of hatred, a stress machine, a psycho-vampire.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Spaltpilz
https://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/Spaltpilz.html
https://www.dict.cc/?s=Zankapfel
https://i.ibb.co/KzrDdm6W/fungus.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangler_fig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5UfE2BbYSQ
Are there also parasite populations among humanoids, i.e. subspecies that enrich themselves unjustifiably from the lifeblood (e.g. money) of all others? Are there also hyenas and vultures who, like vampires, suck and squeeze the blood out of their hosts, but in return transmit pathogens to them as a kind of “thank you”? And how does the parasite have to keep its victim alive to survive?
When the steppe has been grazed (“skimmed” in the financial sector) and begins to desolate, the caravan moves on to the next “host” (this could be China, for example, after the widespread collapse of the white hosts, although it is more difficult for Jews there to “genetically” disappear and not stand out as Jews). Energy robbers need to permanently recharge their batteries.
Louie Schwartzberg, one of the descendants of the infamous millions of “Holocaust” survivors, claims to have discovered that the world is doomed to die without parasites, bloodsuckers and fungal infestations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastic_Fungi
There’s the dissident right, that you claim not to be a part of (despite titling the website “occidental dissent”) and the Republican right. I see no evidence that support for Israel is crumbling in the mainstream right. If I notice a tendency in your writings, it’s that you always claim your views are mainstreaming.
Israel is connected to the US because all the support we give so when people hate Israel they also hate America. So the issue isn’t irrelevant. Because America acts as a global superpower, foreign policy isn’t irrelevant.
The left handles the Jewish Question far better than the right. For one thing, the left doesn’t try to exclude Jews on racial grounds but tries to persuade Jews that Zionism is philosophically wrong. If you know my forum posting history, you probably know that at one point I wasn’t a critic of Israel. But this is because I had petty nationalists viewpoints and if you’re a nationalist, it makes sense to support Israel.
The problem the right has with recruiting Jews even if to try is that once someone turns against nationalism, they’re likely to wholesale turn against nationalism in every form and not just reject Zionism. Which means people of Jewish ancestry are either Zionist or they’re anti-Nationalist.
Ross Douthat is a smart guy.
If it wasn’t becoming an issue, he wouldn’t be writing about it. Undoubtedly, he has seen the same polls which I have seen, which show how support for Israel is like in inverted pyramid with the oldest Americans in both parties being heavily pro-Israel and support dwindling Boomers through Zoomers. Support for Israel has already collapsed on the Left.
Also, I created Occidental Dissent in 2008, and now it is 2025. In the past 17 years, nationalists and populists have entered the mainstream and now compete for state power in nearly all Western countries. Back then, we were “dissenting” against mainstream conservatism, but those people lost power years ago. That whole era is long over.
Depending on whether you count the years when you were Prozium, it might even be earlier than 2008. I think you’re right to keep your tagline, because from experience, it’s very hard to get a name to stick on. Think of all the websites made by former phorians that never caught on. Then think of antisemitica, confederate renaissance.
If I was still right wing, I would argue that there still needs to be a dissident right. The truth is that I carry with me some of the social conservatism from before, but now identify as an economic leftist. But someone needs to hold a harder line than Trump from a right wing perspective, even if Trump isn’t as bad as Bush. If Sanders won the Democratic nomination, I wouldn’t be telling economic leftists that there is no need for a dissident left.
@NatSocs that are lurking around here.
Watch this and tell me this isn’t a far more effective way to approach the JQ than anything you’ve been doing since Adolf ate his gun.
https://youtu.be/GQ1YPdJVvzQ?si=GHneF8lbXYqYC6_b
There is real virtue in keeping your powder dry, saving your effort for when the time is right. Guys like this are now all over YouTube. This guy was just on Joe Rogan. Wasn’t possible even a year ago. All our podcasts got shoahed, and all our people are untouchables now. Nobody will let them on the air because they are toxic and unreasonably autistic.
I’m sure you would all prefer we made lampshades on livestream, but since that isn’t considered acceptable yet why can’t we lean into the messaging that is actually accomplishing the goal? Are you actually pro White?
These don’t seem like hard questions to answer. That these aren’t obvious conclusions from your rhetoric makes me increasingly skeptical of your motivations.
I’ve wondered for years why it was that no matter how counter productive your approaches were to actually accomplishing anything you always doubled down.
Then I remember Weev, and Enoch are crypto Jews. How many others have been outted as feds? Ask yourself the hard question. Are your conclusions your own, or have they been fed to you by people you don’t know, that when the going got tough became anti White NeetSocs? Are you sure you aren’t being lead down the garden path by glow worms in our midst?
What are your priorities and what is your goal? Is what you are doing accomplishing that?
it would be bad if they completed the greater israel project though. they would be sitting on a major trade vortex if they could complete it. this is the only reason we should be interventionist, to prevent greater israel.
long term they will need to offer us something, because no one cares about the holocaust especially after they just holocausted palestine.
When you go to war for Israel, these wars follow you home. Suddenly, Vietnamese, Iraqi or Afghan refugees are banging your doors down because you made their nation a pile of rubble. You have to fund their countries rebuilding for decades. You have to fund assimilation programs when they arrive in your country, etc.
A lot of older rightwing people probably aren’t pro Israel per se. They’re just anti Islamic. The optics of Islam is shocking to older white people. They see stonings, beheadings, a repressive culture incompatible with our values, etc. But with Jews, they see Hollywood, Simon and Garfunkel, successful business moguls, etc. In other words, things to be admired.
I don’t like either side. Neither are pro white, but ARE pro invade white countries. The Jews are Leftists on matters regarding the West, but are then suddenly right wing when it comes to Israel.
I’m just thinking out aloud here.
I’m sure everyone here knows all this.
The only really cool Jew ever is Marc Bolan of T Rex !
Every other jew is a dork in comparison!
That’s how I approach the JQ !
Win!
“So far, Jewish existence has only been sufficient
to shake idolatrous thrones, but not to erect a throne
of God. This is the eeriness of Jewish existence in
the midst of the nations. Jewdom pretends to teach
the absolute, but in fact it only teaches the NO TO
THE LIFE OF THE NATIONS, rather it is this NO
and nothing more. That is why it has become a hor-
ror to the peoples. That is why, wherever one of them
begins to set its own self as the absolute not only in
its inwardness as before, but in the orders of reality,
it must want to abolish Israel. That is why Israel to-
day, instead of being allowed to show the way of sal-
vation with a flight over the abyss, has been dragged
to the bottom of the maelstrom of universal ruin.”
(Martin Buber, Collected Works, 1965)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Weinreb
Not to be confused with this typical “survivor”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Weintraub
In his book “Between Two Peoples” (1975), the
Jewish author Erwin Goldmann describes that it
was a Zionist Jew named Georg Kareski who is
said to have had the idea of introducing the obli-
gation to wear the yellow Jewish star. It is said
to have been decided by the Hitler opponent Wil-
helm Canaris. Kareski was also in favor of com-
plete racial segregation and did not consider half-
Jews or those converted to Christianity to be Jews.
https://archive.org/details/Goldmann1975-ZwischenZweiVoelkern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Kareski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
The self-described “gay Jewish kan-
garoo” https://archive.is/sxWZK had
filmed 45 minutes, but cut away all
but 7 minutes, but even in those he
comes off badly against the “nazi”.
https://old.bitchute.com/video/O3scosoeF7ay/
https://old.bitchute.com/playlist/44m4XrEZ4qX2/
Kosky about Nerling: The hatred of Jews bur-
ned in his eyes and will never leave my soul.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8FjDtqKsQk
Kosky: “Hatred of Jews, women and Muslims is in
people’s DNA. The Germans rightly worked on their
Nazi past self-critically after the war, the Swiss [sic]
and Austrians did not or only very superficially. Anti-
Semitism is deep in the soul of Europe and in Christi-
anity. It won’t go away.” The homosexual Kosky says
that 95 percent of anti-Semitism does not come from
Muslims, but from Europeans. The former anti-Semi-
tism of the Nazis has merely turned into today’s Isla-
mophobia. Muslims are today’s Jews. It is extremely
important to teach children respect for other cultures
at school from an early age. Top rated commenter:
“When this person speaks of hate, he means himself.”
By the way, the German cameraman of the public lying
television had to put down his camera for a minute, ex-
hausted, which could be seen in the original video. Ner-
ling interpreted this as an indirect sign of reluctance to
place himself in the dishonorable service of this Jew.
This happened after Nerling asked Kosky about the Esau
blessing: “It would be best for all of us if Esau (Goyim)
freed himself from the yoke of Jacob (the Jews).” To
which Kosky replied evasively that the Bible had many
Talmudic interpretations and that it was only a fiction.
https://youtu.be/K41V13Rdjbk?feature=shared&t=2213
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_and_Esau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Nerling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrie_Kosky
https://slippedisc.com/2024/04/germany-honours-gay-jewish-kangaroo/
“God on Trial” (The movie about Jews
Germany didn’t want to show – Trailer)
https://archive.org/details/der-judenfilm-den-deutschland-nicht-zeigen-wollte-trailer-ohne-kommentar-720
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_on_Trial
https://ok.ru/video/7966407461454
https://archive.is/9qAof
https://archive.is/rbkd7
https://archive.org/details/the-bizarre-story-of-kristallnacht
https://archive.org/details/12-jewish-emigration-from-the-third-reich
Perhaps a typical Katzetnik syndrome, which can
spontaneously lead to feigned complete unconsci-
ousness at any time through imagined Holocaust
pulp fiction (“It was much too real in my mind”).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehiel_De-Nur
Jews hate you from the Left, for being White; Nazis hate you from the Right, for being White.
I’m just stuck here in the middle: proudly just being White.