Larry King hosted a discussion between Ben Stein and Ron Paul on Monday that was ostensibly about the airline security fiasco. The discussion quickly turned into a heated debate between Stein and Paul about the root cause of the terrorist attack. Paul exhorted Stein to “think like a scientist” and try to figure out the real motivation behind these attacks. Stein tried to parrot the party line platitudes about them being enemies of America and bad people and stuff until he could no longer tolerate this sacrilege taking place right out in the open on his media…
Ron Paul insisted that “We’re the occupiers” one last time before Ben terminated the debate: “No, we’re not occupiers. That’s the same anti-Semitic argument we’ve heard over and over again.”
The typically unshakable Ron Paul was taken aback, blustering “That’s a vicious attack!”
Actually, no. It’s a desperate defensive maneuver. It’s a testament to the fact that the neocons have exhausted America’s reserves of jingoism and are running out of believable arguments to con the American people with. If there were a better argument, Ben Stein would have known it and used it. He’s perhaps more of a master of the zeitgeist than any other living person, simultaneously up to his (enormous) ears in legislation, economics, news media, pop culture, and religious influence.
Stein may have merely slipped up and admitted the obvious: that the entire thing is about Jewish influence on our foreign policy. Rejecting Middle Eastern imperialism is anti-Semitic. The truth is anti-Semitic. But I don’t think a man as intelligent and poised as he is would do something that consequential by accident. I believe this is the beginning of a sea change in political strategy, one in which a direct campaign tries to bury the Ron Paul Revolution and its Tea Party Movement under a tidal wave of negative publicity and accusations of neoheresy.
There’s a worn-out Gandhi quote that Ron Paul likes to repeat, “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” I believe the establishment has transitioned from the phase of ridiculing the Alternative Right to fighting them. This was most likely triggered by the recent polls which showed that the American people have become more favorable toward the Tea Party movement than either of the major parties. The likelihood of a Rand Paul victory in Kentucky confirms the seriousness of the threat.
Ben Stein, the mainstream establishment’s very own Baghdad Bob, is pulling out the big guns. If the Tea Party crowd thought they were going to be able to simply nominate and elect their own candidates to topple the current regime, they’re woefully mistaken. They’ll be called anti-Semitic. They’ll be called racist. They’ll be called conspiracy theorists. They’ll even be accused of terrorism. They’ll find themselves buried in a web of guilt by association.
We’ll find out in the coming months whether Middle America has become angry enough to stand up and remain standing for their sovereignty and their way of life. My money is on the establishment winning the upcoming electoral round, but at the cost of driving tens of millions of White Americans out of the mainstream and into our sphere of influence
Islam is our enemy.
I wonder how much you really know about Islam. Have you travelled the Middle East? Have you attended a mosque? Have you recited shahada? Have you spent time with Muslims on a daily basis?
I should have said, Islam and Judaism are our enemy.
There is no reason we should be compelled to choose between the two.
Instead we should strive to obliterate both from the West.
Let’s ask, say, the Lebanese how they’re dealing with the Muslim threat. Yeah, how’s that going guys? I’d bet they have a much different answer than the pussified Whites of America and Europe would offer us today.
I agree with Admiral. Islam is not our friend. This is one of the (many) areas Ron Paul fails in. Being a libertarian means he never sees any threats. He lives in fantasyland.
Oh he does see one threat. Anything which harms “free trade” is right up there with a nuclear missile hitting a major city.
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Well, i agree the muslims must all be expelled from Europe. In a civil manner if they are legal. But as i said, islam is a noble religion, in fact it is a great religion……in other countries, for people who live far away…, it’s pretty ideal. And yes i have travelled throughout Western Turkey, the entire middle-east and North/East Africa. I have known many muslims while travelling, working, in Europe and N.America. I’m not a scholar of Islam, never prayed in a mosque. I’ve read the Quran as a historical document, not a religion.
Millirone: your right, Islam is not our friend. They are an enemy. And as an enemy, they are better than most friends. Respect them, and they will respect you.
I too have travelled in Muslim countries, and I don’t mean the tourist traps of Morocco and Egypt. I have attended mosques. And when much younger, I dated Muslim girls.
Islam is an ideal religion for people with low IQs. At heart it is a peasant faith. Islam as a faith is devoid of love, mercy, reason, rationalism, and forgiveness.
The well-educated, Westernised Muslim terrorists who kill in Islam’s name do not do so out of piety, but out of a sense of inadequacy. They have something to prove.
“Islam is a noble religion” LOL!!! The only noble Muslims are the Westernised secular Muslims for whom Islam is a mere cultural artifact, or ritual, and the peasant Bedouins.
And before you reply accusing me of being crypto Arabi or Muslim, let me state that I do not come from a Muslim or Arab background. Indeed my heritage is German (Nordic) and English.
dammit! I was just about to hit ‘submit comment’ accusing you of being a camelhumpin monkeyass crypto in all caps and bold face when you copped it out. Sheeeeite.
At any rate I got a different impression of islam. I didn’t go looking for it, I didn’t care. I met various people in various places over time and it opened my eyes. This would be in Turkey and Syria. That doesn’t mean I’d convert. But I think that westerners hate them because they have been conditioned to do so. If you recognize the obvious fact the media have been bombing us with anti islam agitprop the same as anti white agitprop, and you reject one, it would be reasonable to rethink the other also.
Islam is fine in Arab countries. Islam is fine in Lebanon and Egypt and Iran. Good for them, I have no problem with Islam in Muslim nations.
Muslims should not immigrate to Europe, Europe is for White people.
The main problem between White Europe and White America and Islam is the Jews. Without Jews Islamic Arabia and White Christian Europe and America would probably be friendly allies.
W.T Mann said…Without Jews Islamic Arabia and White Christian Europe and America would probably be friendly allies.
I need to make clear that I don’t support the Palestinian cause. I don’t support Islam. If forced to choose between Judaism and Islam, I would be at a loss. I don’t accuse Israel of being an “Apartheid state” and wouldn’t think less of it if it were one. I wouldn’t treat women the way Muslims do, but respect their sovereignty. All I care about is the West in general and the White American way of life in particular.
I don’t care if the rest of the world chokes, as long as they’re not choking me.
They have been , considering the laws of nature, a perfect neighbor. They have never attacked unless we were disunited, causing our unity. They are too weak to challenge us under normal circumstances, too strong for us to invade. Too poor and dissimilar to aid internal division, and we have not had an immigration problem with them until the 1980’s. They have remained united for 1500 years and served as a buffer and sponge for the monguls and turkics to wear themselves on.
This is essentially White Nationalist realpolitik and it is refreshing. This Grimiore character is a real Brzezinsky!
I like this idea that the West is immoral for the crusades but the Islamic conquests of North Africa, the Near East, Greece, the Balkans, and attempted attacks on France, Spain, Poland, and Vienna area all the “law of nature.” What a double standard. Muslims are almost as bad as the Zhids in this regard.
We’re stronger, wiser, superior in civilization and religion, and we were right to kick these motherfuckers out of the Holy Land in the 1100s. As for now, it’s probably not worth the effort, we should keep them in their lane, and we in ours. But their religion is false, and their civilization is inferior–what do they invent or write worht reading: nothing!–and yes I’ve known a few Muslims and am not just repeating talking points from the Weekly Standard. More like talking points from Hillaire Belloc!
Well the cat’s out of the bag now. Stein’s remarks prove that current US policy is intertwined with Israeli geostrategic interests. This meshes nicely with the “anti-semitic” claim by Jim Traficant that Israel, through the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), formulates US foreign policy.
Ron Paul has said or done nothing to deserve the label of anti-semite yet Stein smeared him anyway. Keep in mind that the charge of anti-seeeeemite is leveled against anyone whom the Jews hate.
We’re stronger, wiser, superior in civilization and religion, and we were right to kick these motherfuckers out of the Holy Land in the 1100s. As for now, it’s probably not worth the effort, we should keep them in their lane, and we in ours. But their religion is false, and their civilization is inferior–what do they invent or write worht reading: nothing!–and yes I’ve known a few Muslims and am not just repeating talking points from the Weekly Standard. More like talking points from Hillaire Belloc!
Averroes and Avicenna weren’t stupid. Arabs have been retarded by a “faith” which has driven them from heights of civilization opposite our own down into caves.
They aren’t us but they ain’t niggers. Mutual respect, managed trade and geographical containment is reasonable policy.
But their religion is false…
They say their religion is true. Whom are we to believe – and why?
…and their civilization is inferior…
It has survived to a ripe old (and, yes, unproductive) age, as do all High Cultures that are not prematurely terminated. China is a classic example, as is India.
In its glory days, it was well in advance of Europe, and then provided the basis of the evolution into a scientific perspective in the West.
Very illuminating discussion Re. the question of our relations with Muslims–thanks “Grimoire” and Admiral for handling the major positions. But I think Grimoire wins on this one. A forthright enemy is far better than a false friend. When my Christian neo-con acquaintances try to enlist my support for yet another “bomb the muslims” policy, I simply ask them why they fear a potential takeover by muslims more than an already-accomplished, existing and consolidating takeover by Jews. This usually makes them change the subject.
I think Grimoire’s (I will use this spelling unless you specifically correct me, with I hope an explanation) coinage of “crazyblinded” is inspired. We indeed need to be able to process on multiple levels, and not let our notions of relevance be pre-formed by our enemies.
BTW–I mean no disrespect–is the odd spelling of your name intentional? or simply an inadvertent misspelling of “grimoire” that gets repeated over and over? You clearly know what the word means.
“I am a supreme swine. The symbol of perfection is a pig. Charles V himself adopted it to replace all other symbols of perfection. The pig makes his way with Jesuit cunning, but never balks in the middle of the crap in our era. I feed my crap to the Daliists. Everybody’s satisfied. And everything is just hunky-dory.”- Salvador Dalí, 1969
“Pigs are more significant than the Enlightenment. Bacon is the new I.N.R.I. Eating pork separates us from Jews and Muslims and allies us with the future Chinese global economic superpower. We can waltz into any chop suey joint in the world and order up a plate of Mu Gu Gai Pan with impunity while Sheldon and Habib fret endlessly in the desert over their ancestral allergy to pork. A twisted loop of bacon worn in the lapel like a cancer awareness ribbon lets people know you are not another semitic Ponzi schemer or a polygamous ingrate out to punch America in it’s pork chop (with lemon-fenugreek-mint-and-tomato chutney) loving face.”- Charles Krafft, 2009
An excellent point, ‘Spectator’, I get the same stupefied reaction from brainwashed Whites when the subject of ‘open enemies vs false friends’ comes up. That’s why I sometimes, rather cynically, call them ‘dumb White bunnies’, (both genders), rather than lemmings. It cuts closer to home with them.
#70 Spectator
We indeed need to be able to process on multiple levels, and not let our notions of relevance be pre-formed by our enemies.
elegant.
is the odd spelling of your name intentional?
And prescient. The name is spelled incorrectly because I misspelled it once, and the browser remembers and thoughtfully puts it in each time I visit. One mistake and it becomes an automated bad habit. I have to flush the browser cache at some point. Notable you observe this and deduce it is an automated error.
#71 whodareswings
“I am a supreme swine. The symbol of perfection is a pig. Charles V himself adopted it to replace all other symbols of perfection.
I enjoyed Louis Ferdinand Celine’s observation on the Nazi’s ” they are the executive class of Europe. They fear no one. They embody a swine-ish grandeur”
“But I think that westerners hate them because they have been conditioned to do so.”
Wrong! We actually hate them, in spite of the pro-Muslim propaganda. We hate them, because they oppressed, raped, enslaved, tortured, and murdered our ancestors!
The Muslim Moors are not our friends, after forcing an annual tribute of 100+ of our virgins into their harems. The Muslim North Africans can never be our friends, after their slave raids along our coastlines.
The Turks are not, and may never be our friends, after forcing young White Christian boys from their families-and into the Ottoman equivalent of the Marine Corps (Janissary Corps), trained to hate their heritage and kill their own kith and kin!
But, I will concede sympathy for the Iraqis, who are victims of our Establishment’s imeperialism. They never wanted any trouble with us, and yet our political leaders are massacring them.
And though they are not Europeans, I do see a relative genetic similarity between them and us.
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