Who was Jost Turner?

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1. We have the advantage of four dimensional modeling. Our opponents are stuck with temporally static lateral and vertical modeling where everything is always for them an inequal set of cross section strata that needs to be flattened or disparate cultures that need to be averaged into a uniform whole. We will account for the temporal and the cycles within; the changes to the scope of the model and to the properties of its components. Our understanding is superior for its completeness.

2. Hail our Dangerous Mother!

3. Basic Meditation Technique: Hong Sau
   
   [This text is taken from Jost´s Kriya booklet #3, entitled Hong Sau]

   Hong Sau (pronounced Hahng´-sah, which is old Aryan means “I am He”, i.e. I am Wotan, Donar, Shiva, or whatever icon of the Ubermensch you prefer) is a Dhyana technique (pronounced Dee-yah´-nah, which means “control of the mind”). Hong Sau is in many ways similar to the powerful Kundalini Pranyama technique which will be taught in step 5, and soit is an excellent technique to prepare you for, and to enhance your practice of, Kundalini Pranayama. Hong Sau not only trains you to control your mind and develop your concentration, but it will enable you to become aware of, and to feel the flow of, Pranic energy up and down the Ida and Pingala Nadis as it enters the body through the breath. Like all Dhyana Kriya techniques, Hong Sau uses an Asana (pronounced Ah´-shah-nah, which means “position” or “posture”), and two Mudras (pronounced Moo´-drah, which means “symbol” or “gesture”). In addition, Hong Sau uses a Mantra (pronounced Mahn´-trah) from which it derives its name.

   Swastikasana
   Swastikasana, the Swastika position, is an important sitting position which circulates energy back into the body which is normally lost through the feet. All Dhyanas and Kundalini Pranayama are done in Swastikasana. Always sit in Swastikisana on a folded, woolen blanket or a cushion. Do not sit directly on the ground or on a concrete floor, as this will tend to draw Pranic energy downward and out of your body.

   Sit on a blanket on the floor or in a simple cross legged position. Keep the spine straight by pulling the hips in and the shoulders back, and keep the head and neck in line with the spinal column. For men, place the right heel against the perineum (area between the anus and scrotum) and the left foot on top of the right thigh. For women, it is just the opposite with the left heel against the vagina and the right foot on top of the left thigh (See illustration which shows the woman’s position).

   You will probably find that it will be easier to sit comfortably in this position if you place a small cushion under your buttocks to slightly elevate them above the legs. This tilts the pelvis and makes sitting in the Asana easier.

   If you carmot get into Swastikasana, sit erect with the spine straight on a stool or chair, preferably without back support. Gradually train yourself to sit in Swastlkasana by assuming it, or as far as you can get into it, for short periods of time. With perseverance. even very infirm bodies can be trained to sit comfortably in Swastikasana. Swastik Mudra.

   Swastika Mudra
   the Swastika Mudra, is an important position which circulates energy back into the body which is normally lost through the hands. It should be used with all Dhyana techniques. (See illustration.) First, hold the hands and fingers out straight in line with the wrists, fingers held close together. Join the thumb and forefinger of one hand so that it forms a circle. Join the thumb and forefinger of the other hand so that it forms a square. Leave the remaining three fingers of each hand straight. For men, fold the arms across the chest or solar plexus so that the heel of the right hand is on the left forearm at the crook of the left elbow, and the three straight fingers of the right hand are extended across the left upper arm. The circle or square should be up against the inside of the left upper arm. The left forearm should cross in front of the right forearm and lit in a similar manner at the crook of the right elbow. Other than the bend at the elbow and lingers forming the circle and square, keep the wrists, hands, and fingers in line with the forearms. The arms may be twisted a bit to lock them into position. For women, the position should be opposite, that is, with the right forearm in front of the left forearm.

   With practice, this position can be held for long periods of time. During Hong Sau practice. hold the Swastik Mudra as long as you are able to comfortably do so, gradually training yourself to hold it longer. When the arms become fatigued, place them in your lap for a while, but keep the spine straight at all times, even if you must use a back support. With perseverance, you will easily train yourself to hold this position for as long as you like.

   Ama Mudra
   The Ajna Mudra, the eye lock, should be used with all the Kriya techniques. This is an extremely important Mudra which circulates energy into the Ajna Chakra which is normally lost through the eyes. This greatly stimulates the Ajna Chakra – the Eye ofWotan – and it will in itself ultimately develop paranormal vision and super-conscious awareness. With the eyes closed or half open or even completely open, physically raise the eyeballs and focus them at the point between the eyebrows (the Ajna Chakra – the Eye of Wotan). Keep them locked in that position. At first this may be very uncomfortable, but in time it will become almost second nature, and the eyes can be held there comfortably for any length of time.

   The Double Breath
   The double breath is an exercise which burns out carbon from the lungs and helps you to get mentally and physically ready to practice the Hong Sau technique (or other Dhyana or Pranayama Kriyas). We recommend that, at least while you are learning the techniques, you begin each practice session with it.

   Sit in Swastikasana and assume Swastik Mudra and Ajna Mudra. Let the body be relaxed, but keep the spine straight and the eyes focused at the point between the eyebrows. Fill the lungs by breathing in through the nose forcibly and audibly with a quick double breath, one short and then one long (sort of UH, UHHH). Then immediately empty the lungs by throwing out the breath 4 through the mouth. forcibly and audibly, with another quick double breath, one short and then one long (sort of HAH, HAHHH). Hold the breath out only as long as comfortable and focus all your attention on the opal blue Ajna Chakra between the eyebrows – the Eye of Wotan. Whlle the breath is out and you are focusing on the Eye of Wotan mentally (not audibly) chant “Wotan” (or Shiva, or any spiritual icon you wish), slowly, over and over until you feel the need to inhale. As soon as you feel the need to inhale, inhale and exhale with the double breath another time, again holding the breath out only as long as comfortable while mentally chanting “Wotan” to the Eye of Wotan. Do this one more time (no more than 3 times in all). When you feel the need to inhale after the third time, begin breathing normally and start your practice of Hong Sau.
   
   Hong Sau
   Sit in swastikasana. Swastlk Mudra, and Anja Mudra. Breathe normally and begin watching your breath. As the breath goes in through the nose, feel the cool sensation in the nasal cavity. As the breath goes out through the nose, feel the warm sensation in the nasal cavity.

   Now, as the breath goes in and you feel that cool sensation, mentally (not audibly) chant the Mantra Hong (rhymes with “song”). Chant it as one long word for the entire length of the inhalation. As the breath goes out and you feel that warm sensation mentally chant the Mantra Sau (rhymes with “saw”) as one long word for the length of the exhalation. Continue to watch the breath, but do not make any attempt at all to control it. Let it go as fast or as slow as it will and simply watch it from the Ajna Chakra as you feel the sensations in the nasal cavity and mentally chant the Mantras. Do not get discouraged if your mind wanders. Be patient with your mind, and calmly bring it back, again and again, to the object of concentration.

   Advanced Form of Hong
   When you feel very comfortable with watching your breath by feeling the cool and warm sensations in the nasal cavity you should go on to the advanced form of Hong San.

   After watching the breath in the nasal cavity for a few minutes, transfer your attention to the spine. Imagine your spine as a hollow tube. As you breathe in, still mentally chanting Hong, feel a cool, soothing sensation going up the spine, from the base of the spine all the way up to the base of the skull, then bending forward and to the point between the eyebrows – the Eye of Wotan. As you breathe out, mentally chanting Sau, feel a warm, trickling sensation coming back down the spine, beginning at the point between the eyebrows and coming all the way down the spine to the base of the spine. With each breath, feel the cool soothing sensation going up the spine and the warm, trickling sensation coming back down the spine. This is the actual movement of Pranic energy in the Ida and Pingala Nadis (not the Sushumna) which is entering your body as you breathe. Do not try to control the breath or the energy flow in any way. Simply watch it, feel it, and mentally chant the Mantra to it.

   Use your will to hold your mind on the energy in the spine. Do not feel discouraged if you cannot feel the energy in the spine. It takes lots of practice and good concentration to be able to feel the subtle currents. Some people feel it right away, but for others, it may take some time. Some people feel only the cool sensation at first, while others feel only the warm. But with faithful practice, sooner or later you will be able to feel the Pranic energy in both Nadis.

   Hong Sau, or any Kriya technique. should be practiced in a room or area secluded from noise and distractions. It is best if your practice is always done in the same place and at the same time. This will greatly help you to build a routine. Until you learn Kundalini Pranayama and other Dhyanas, practice Hong Sau twice daily, at least 15 minutes each morning and 15 minutes each evening. There are no restrictions on how long or how often you may practice Hong Sau. Practice it as often or as long as you like, but wait at least an hour after meals before beginning your practice.

   Hong Sau is very powerfu1, and it is, in fact, possible (and has been done) to raise your evolution all the way to super-consciousness with Hong Sau alone. By deeper concentration, you will begin to feel the Ida and Pingala Nadis magnetize and draw energy from all parts of your body. When this happens, all sensation will leave your body and you will find your consciousness completely in the spine. The breath may very well stop altogether. but this is nothing to worry about. If you achieve the breathless state, whereby your body will be living directly from Pranic energy. you will be entering the first stages of super-consciousness, and you will be far along the path!

4. OT: James Traficant on the radio explaining how he was set up by the Jewish lobby in the US after the Israeli Supreme Court agreed with him in the John Demjanjuk case:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEB0jUKjnEU

   (Sorry it’s Alex Jones but that’s the best we can do at this point.)

   James Traficant may be the most open critic of Israel and the Israel/Jewish lobby still allowed on the mainstream news, although confined to the FOX-tard/Neo-Con ghetto.

5. Robert Campbell,
   Interesting information. Thank you for posting.

6. Honestly, this is all a bit esoteric for me. Naval gazing introspection removes us from what needs to be done: getting out and meeting other people. The intentional community angle is interesting, but I fail to see how it would help the WN movement.

7. Indra,

   If you fail to see how an intentional community — a self-sustaining, racially conscious folk community — benefits our Cause, then I’m not sure any argument I can make will convince you. I think its merits are obvious.

   This was not merely “navel gazing.” Jost actually created a folk community in Nevada County California, on 80 acres of beautiful farmland. His people lived and worked in the community, putting down roots and influencing locals. I think we can learn a lot from Jost and his experiences, both in terms of what he did right and what he did wrong.

   Without a spiritual goal at the forefront of the social consciousness, man’s ideologies inevitable descend into arrogance and self-destruction. The first step to conquering the world is conquering thy self!

8. Are there any WN intentional communities?

9. Very interesting article.

   In regards to Yoga practices being of Aryan descent: Yoga studios across N. America are full of White people, usually overwhelmingly so.

10. Robert,

    That spiritual practice you posted is insanely complicated. I imagine most here would be newcomers to Yoga practices. Perhaps a simple introduction to one-pointed meditation would be more useful.

11. Indra,

    Turner’s community was openly Folkish/NS/racialist in nature.

    There are small PLEs around the country (Kalispell, Mo. is home to both the Gaede family and the Weaver family, among many other decent folk) but I’m not aware of any major projects in that arena.

    What I find so interesting about Jost Turner’s experiment is that they didn’t cut themselves off on a compound, completely isolated from society like groups such as the National Alliance, but rather engaged the community while maintaining their ethnic/ideological cohesion. The FLDS have had a great degree of success following a similar template, and I think it’s something we should consider.

    PE,

    I will do that. Thanks.

12. Very interesting article. I’d like to know more.

13. Like Jost, I was attracted to martial arts and old world spirituality (pre-Christian Celtic and Germanic) at a very young age. I was raised Christian, but it never stuck. Even going to church as a child, it just seems uncomfortable and foreign to me, I just wasn’t interested.

    Even though some people might have an initial aversion to exploring Asian spirituality, ironically it can sometimes lead us back to our own original European spirituality. I think this is what attracts a lot of whites to it. Even though Christianity has been Westernized and has absorbed a lot of our own pagan influences and symbols, it still is foreign to us, it is Semitic in origin.

    I attained a higher degree of awareness, both psychic and physical (of my own body and others) through studying martial arts. You really can’t understand it until you experience it.

    Robert, this type of discussion and education is very limited with just the written word, it really helps to experience it in person. Do you offer any kind of seminar or tutelage in these disciplines?

14. #11: Minor correction: Kalispell is in Montana (MT), not in Missouri (MO). :o)

    (I worked in a call center once and had to memorize every darn state postal abbreviation. SO much fun.)

15. Very funny.

16. Here’s what I do pretty regularly, the qigong first, then the yoga, as the qigong is a good loosening warmup, and the yoga strengthens the joints and releases tension:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr9Q7G3TiP4

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5252081323671893017#

17. If you fail to see how an intentional community — a self-sustaining, racially conscious folk community — benefits our Cause, then I’m not sure any argument I can make will convince you. I think its merits are obvious.

    As are its de-merits, when viewed in larger perspective.

    Most obviously, the “self-sustaining” aspect must be qualified, in that while such a community may be independent in its requirement for raw materials and foodstuffs, its protection from foreign invasion and domestic suppression is provided by an overwhelmingly larger and provisionally indulgent surrounding community with formal armed forces. (Though peasant visionaries hereabouts will have adopted pleasing misconceptions au courant as to the passing (“collapse”) of all foreign ambition for liberating North America from its present cultural regime, thus allowing Arcadia to survive in their minds as a day-dreamer’s aspiration for yet another (fatuous) colonial refuge. And “Red Dawn” fantasists will confidently declare themselves ready to bring to bear their trusty AK’s and whatnot to repel any number of Redcoats, foreign or domestic – should the peasant visionaries have miscalculated in their expectation of a perpetually indulgent and aggression-free environment.)

    Without a spiritual goal at the forefront of the social consciousness, man’s ideologies inevitable descend into arrogance and self-destruction. The first step to conquering the world is conquering thy self!

    “Conquering the world”? In what sense?

    Our masters seem to be Jewish, not sub-continental (the former having had no more time than the latter toward achieving that global objective). So you must mean the “inward” world – in which case “conquering thyself” is tantamount to “conquering the world”. For *actual* world conquest/liberation, and resistance thereto, necessarily involve those nasty ideologies, with their arrogance and organic cyclicality.

    But let us grant that those who have the inward discipline to douse themselves with flammable liquid and set themselves alight without evident sensation of pain, or to stop their own hearts from beating in autonomic activity, have truly mastered themselves. They have no need to conquer the world or even defend themselves against it. What matter if wife and child (should one have compromised oneself to that extent) are violated and killed or captured as slaves by intruders? One is well-composed and has a superior perspective on such developments, and one is thus undisturbed in one’s equanimity, by such events.

    [Lesser India as an alternative to Greater Judea – an idea whose time has come?]

18. “Honestly, this is all a bit esoteric for me. Naval gazing introspection…”

    It is not esoteric at all. We are all in the same boat when it comes to naval gazing. Can’t you sea that?

19. Jost was a friend of mine.

    His story, like most of the ‘unsung’ heroes of a nascent and fledgling White Nationalist movement, was a heroic one, marginalized by the very individuals that he worked so diligently for; the erstwhile ‘leaders’, those conservative scoundrels who, without a true revolutionary vision nor, sadly, a comprehensive and sense of philosophical and strategic continuity, allowed this man, as well as many others, to pass into oblivion, without fanfare. The ‘spotlight’, in those days, could shine on only ONE.

    NeoNietzsche said:

    [Quote]If you fail to see how an intentional community — a self-sustaining, racially conscious folk community — benefits our Cause, then I’m not sure any argument I can make will convince you. I think its merits are obvious.[quote]

    As are its de-merits, when viewed in larger perspective.

    Fasutus says:

    And these are?

    Conceptually, the organic disposition of any ‘commune’ or racial enclave, is designed to encapsulate a Larger and more comprehensive National policy, albeit from the ‘ground up’, and becomes dissociated from the larger ‘political’ organism, because it has not been a ‘Political’ or governmental proposition.

    NeoNietzsche said:

    Most obviously, the “self-sustaining” aspect must be qualified, in that while such a community may be independent in its requirement for raw materials and foodstuffs, its protection from foreign invasion and domestic suppression is provided by an overwhelmingly larger and provisionally indulgent surrounding community with formal armed forces. (Though peasant visionaries hereabouts will have adopted pleasing misconceptions au courant as to the passing (”collapse”) of all foreign ambition for liberating North America from its present cultural regime, thus allowing Arcadia to survive in their minds as a day-dreamer’s aspiration for yet another (fatuous) colonial refuge. And “Red Dawn” fantasists will confidently declare themselves ready to bring to bear their trusty AK’s and whatnot to repel any number of Redcoats, foreign or domestic – should the peasant visionaries have miscalculated in their expectation of a perpetually indulgent and aggression-free environment.)

    Faustus says:

    You do a disservice to Nietzsche’s concept of the ‘overman’ , the ‘becoming’ of Spegler and Simpson; the necessary encumbrance of ‘fantasy’ is nothing more than a spiritual nexus between waking consciousness and a creative reality. This has always been the difference between the Seer and the mundane.

    NeoNietzsche said:

    Without a spiritual goal at the forefront of the social consciousness, man’s ideologies inevitable descend into arrogance and self-destruction. The first step to conquering the world is conquering thy self!

    “Conquering the world”? In what sense?

    Our masters seem to be Jewish, not sub-continental (the former having had no more time than the latter toward achieving that global objective). So you must mean the “inward” world – in which case “conquering thyself” is tantamount to “conquering the world”. For *actual* world conquest/liberation, and resistance thereto, necessarily involve those nasty ideologies, with their arrogance and organic cyclicality.

    But let us grant that those who have the inward discipline to douse themselves with flammable liquid and set themselves alight without evident sensation of pain, or to stop their own hearts from beating in autonomic activity, have truly mastered themselves. They have no need to conquer the world or even defend themselves against it. What matter if wife and child (should one have compromised oneself to that extent) are violated and killed or captured as slaves by intruders? One is well-composed and has a superior perspective on such developments, and one is thus undisturbed in one’s equanimity, by such events.

    [Lesser India as an alternative to Greater Judea – an idea whose time has come?]

    Fausus says:

    Jost, as the Topic at hand discusses, was far removed from the presentation you display.

    As to your analogy regarding the spiritual non-commital relationship between family, and the acceptance of violence against others as a ‘stoic’ spiritual acceptance, shows your ignorance of the Man is topic, as he was gentle and kind, but a warrior throughout…unafraid to take steps which would ensure the survival of his relations and, by extension, his People if called to do so.

    Thanks, Robert, for this belated discussion and its associated important practices.

20. Faustus says:

    You do a disservice to Nietzsche’s concept of the ‘overman’ , the ‘becoming’ of Spe[n]gler and Simpson; the necessary encumbrance of ‘fantasy’ is nothing more than a spiritual nexus between waking consciousness and a creative reality. This has always been the difference between the Seer and the mundane.

    I’m inclined to disagree with the allegation of having done a disservice (to “…what Zarathustra wants…”). But since this would evidently subject me (should you decide to expand upon your allegations) to another cloud of vapor, I think I’ll spare myself that second bath in your breath, however nicely scented.

    Fausus says:

    Jost, as the Topic at hand discusses, was far removed from the presentation you display.

    Which is to say that he had but taken the first steps on the long road, trod by his masters, of cultural declension that lay before him.

    As to your analogy regarding the spiritual non-commital relationship between family, and the acceptance of violence against others as a ’stoic’ spiritual acceptance, shows your ignorance of the Man is topic, as he was gentle and kind, but a warrior throughout…unafraid to take steps which would ensure the survival of his relations and, by extension, his People if called to do so.

    And this is to say that he is preserved from reproach by his spiritual childhood, as evidenced by his failure to be thoroughly pacified – and by his complementary martial childhood, as evidenced by his self-rustication as though he were a Cincinnatus of the early Republic, yet transported half a millenium forward, wherein his “fearlessness,” neutralized by his peasant ignorance of and detachment from the larger context, is perfectly irrelevant to the meeting of the newly intrusive challenges to the Empire.

21. Conceptually, the organic disposition of any ‘commune’ or racial enclave, is designed to encapsulate a Larger and more comprehensive National policy, albeit from the ‘ground up’, and becomes dissociated from the larger ‘political’ organism, because it has not been a ‘Political’ or governmental proposition.

    But was not this commune to be a model for adoption by all Whites?

    And of what value is it to the “Cause,” since not even a significant fraction of those could durably emulate it, and it thus must be awarded big-time demerits? And since it could not simply be expanded and thus would lose its non-political character and consequent immunity to intractable and transformative administrative difficulties?

22. [NeoNietzsche…a missive]
    “And thus thy words drip with honey…and thy breath of bitter Roses”

    NeoNietzsche said:
    But was not this commune to be a model for adoption by all Whites?

    Yes.
    Moreover, efforts like this, a needed change in this modern environ, seems to always be seen as avant guard, especially by those, in the main, remain attached to the very system by which they are enslaved.

    All my points direct the reader to the relationship of unorthodox methodology and, thereby, to focus on the conditional relationships necessary to ‘break away’ from established norms; this, after all, is the true position of all WN’sts.

    By definition, Jost’s construct was NOT Political, as it was folk-based, instructive, and led by example. The Nation cannot, of course, be led, willy nilly, into a retrograde ‘agri-based’ rural confine, as the stricture for such a life-style is problematic in our earth-bound voyage today. It is, however, a utilitarian and spiritual quest allowing, as well, a certain physical interdiction, thereby fostering those incremental steps necessary to fulfill a larger function.

    As well, Jost’s attempt, as mentioned above, was discounted on its face, by the very ‘enlightened’ who grace the halls of intellectual pursuit amongst our ‘chosen’. No superfluous commentary, devoid of practical experience, will suffice; in fact, on reading and writing, purely intellectual pursuits, Zarathustra (of whom you quote) says,

    Of all that is written, I love only what a person hath written with his blood. Write with blood, and thou wilt find that blood is spirit.

    It is no easy task to understand unfamiliar blood; I hate the reading idlers.

    He who knoweth the reader, doeth nothing more for the reader. Another century of readers—and spirit itself will stink.

    The ‘doer’, then, is the ALL.

23. As well, Jost’s attempt, as mentioned above, was discounted on its face, by the very ‘enlightened’ who grace the halls of intellectual pursuit amongst our ‘chosen’. No superfluous commentary, devoid of practical experience, will suffice; in fact, on reading and writing, purely intellectual pursuits, Zarathustra (of whom you quote) says,

    Of all that is written, I love only what a person hath written with his blood. Write with blood, and thou wilt find that blood is spirit.

    It is no easy task to understand unfamiliar blood; I hate the reading idlers.

    He who knoweth the reader, doeth nothing more for the reader. Another century of readers—and spirit itself will stink.

    The ‘doer’, then, is the ALL.

    I may be mistaken, but you give the impression of insinuating, by the lengths you devote to an uncontested point as to the extent of energetic Jostian activity, that I am to be counted among those who are “devoid of practical experience” – guilty of none but “intellectual pursuits” – and no more than a “reading idler,” knowing none but “readers.”

    In that event, I would refer you to the accounts, by luminaries amongst our element, of the circumstances under which they first met me, decades ago – but for my consideration of their provident present-day desire to avoid association with the “doer” formations on this end of the spectrum.

    But perhaps you do not insinuate – your poetic Seer’s intuition having informed you that I’m an exception to, or outside of, the rule of the “enlightened” – your having merely erred, rather, in emphasizing “doing-ness” – as opposed to fully addressing the issue of the value thereof:

    By definition, Jost’s construct was NOT Political, as it was folk-based, instructive, and led by example. The Nation cannot, of course, be led, willy nilly, into a retrograde ‘agri-based’ rural confine, as the stricture for such a life-style is problematic in our earth-bound voyage today. It is, however, a utilitarian and spiritual quest allowing, as well, a certain physical interdiction, thereby fostering those incremental steps necessary to fulfill a larger function.

    That seems supported neither by logic nor history. Sounds nice though – more of the pleasing fantasy of which I wrote. The history of “larger functions” invariably, eventually, involves the stratification of society by intrusion. The peasants never durably institute the “incremental steps” toward an advanced culture by themselves. A war band operating under a dominance hierarchy, or the equivalent in a quasi-ecclesiocracy (see Greater Judea) always has an intrinsic organizational advantage, in war and peace, over those who are intrinsically dispersed.

    So, I find that I must maintain my position with regard to Jost, unalloyed, in the face of your refreshingly well-phrased but substantially empty observations.

24. I lived in the woods for a decade without electricity or running water in a two room fisherman’s cabin on stilts in northern Washington State on the Skagit River. I founded an intentional community for creative drop-outs in the late Sixties. We studied Chan and Mahayana Buddhism, Advaita Vedanta and Varma Marga tantricism (non-Kabbalistic Crowleyanity). I was schooled in Ashtanga (8 limbed) yoga by teachers in the Sivananda lineage at The Yoga Vedanta Forest Academy in Rishikesh India. I hung out in Nanital with Neemkaroli Baba and in New Delhi with Baba Ram Dass and popular American Indian devotional music (bhajan) singers Krishna Dass and Jai Uttal. I’ve been around Ananda Mayi Ma and Satya Sai Baba. I almost met Julius Evola in Rome one day in l969. I did meet the youngest brother (90 yrs) of the founder of the Legion of the Archangel Michael, Catalin Z. Codreanu, in Bucharest in 2001. So I guess I know as much about nationalism and spirituality in the West as Jost Turner and maybe more than most of the younger posters here. If I can recommend one text to modern seekers looking to take a step towards a transcendent encounter with the eschcaton I recommend JOURNIES INTO THE BRIGHT WORLD by Marcia Moore and Dr. Sunny Altunian. I didn’t get my hands on a copy until some years after I left the community in the woods to return to the city. It was perfect timing though and the information and experience I gleaned from it continues to help me face the trouble with being born. Only 5000 copies of the book were ever published. Maybe there’s a better text available elsewhere on the Net.
    http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/journeys_into_bright_world.pdf

25. It was perfect timing though and the information and experience I gleaned from it continues to help me face the trouble with being born.

    This is the terrible existential dilemma of the late-born under alien culture.

    Does one indulge and promote a comforting “inward emigration” and so facilitate the furtherance of cultural declension – or does one perpetually endure the stress of remaining in touch with “reality as it is” and so honor one’s manhood with knowing resistance to the inevitable?

26. I mispelled “Varma Marga.” It should be Vama Marga, which is the Left Hand path of Hindu tantricism while Dakshina Marga is the Right Hand path. There’s tantric Buddhism, too. The most esoteric teachings being Tibetan bonpo and dzogchen. The Arya Samaj and Brahmo Samaj.
    I still don’t quite know the difference of these two l9th century Indian political movements. The Arya Samaj certainly sounds like it has something to do with Aryanism. The Nobel Laureate Indian poet Rabindranath Tagore was in the Brahmo Samaj. I think the great ecstatic and devotee of Kali, Ramkrishna Parahamahamsa, was a favorite guru of the Brahmo Samajists.

    I don’t recommend perpetual “inward emigration.” I like to take the occasional vacation from my body, though. I’m not practicing it daily anymore, but I believe that hatha yoga is healthy and raja yoga (study and meditation) can only be benificial, too. Sitting still and breathing conscientiously to calm the mind is one of the simplest yet most difficult things a human can do in this age of high tech distractions.
    I’m the first to admit I’m a lazy old hippie.

27. @ whodareswings. After reading your story and recomendations, I was all set to dive into “Journeys into the Bright World” and find the correct path to spiritual enlightenment when I saw the magical ingredient, ketamine hydrochloride, an animal tranquilizer, being identified as the key to higher spirituality…wouldn’t opium serve the same purpose? Or, crack, or black tar heroin?

28. BTW, Faustus,

    Nice job of channeling Wintermute.

    (Hello, J., good to hear from you. Give us a ring.)

    [And my offer of $1 per supportive comment still stands.]

29. “Does one indulge and promote a comforting “inward emigration” and so facilitate the furtherance of cultural declension – or does one perpetually endure the stress of remaining in touch with “reality as it is” and so honor one’s manhood with knowing resistance to the inevitable?”

    ‘Those who want to live – let them fight. Those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.’

30. ‘Those who want to live – let them fight. Those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.’

    The questions as to deserts and consequences are two different things.

    Does the soldier, who thus deserves to die, live by surrendering to a despicable enemy, or does the honorable soldier, who deserves to live, die with a bayonet in the belly by failing so to do?

31. “Does the soldier, who thus deserves to die, live by surrendering to a despicable enemy, or does the honorable soldier, who deserves to live, die with a bayonet in the belly by failing so to do?”

    After the loss of Stalingrad, Hitler ordered General Paulus and the trapped Sixth Army to fight to the death. Instead, on January 31, 1943 Field Marshall Paulus surrendered the Sixth Army to the Soviets. Of the perhaps 123,000 prisoners of war, less than 5,000 had been repatriated by 1958. (Cross of Iron, Mosier.)

    Oswald Spengler wrote:
    “Optimism is cowardice.

    We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man.”

32. Faustus,

    Thank you for the insightful posts, which saved me a lot of typing.

    I would be interested in learning more about your experiences with Jost and his NS kindred. I am trying to gather as much of his material as I possibly can.

    Is the e-mail address you provide when posting here valid? Do you mind if I contact you?

33. Check with your latest site…

34. I also corresponded with Jost pretty extensivley in the NS Kindred days.

    Right now I’m in a position of “influence” with one of the larger youth orientated WN orgs here in N America. They could really benefit from some of his writings.

    I’ve been providing some basic meditation lessons and pranayama lessons but I’d love for them to be exposed to Jost’s techniques if at all possible.

    This e-mail is valid if someone with access to Jost’s work could get back to me…

    Thank you in advance!

35. arg! mispelled my e-mail in the last post the one here is the correct one.

36. Greetings. I just published a story about Jost on my website:

    http://www.ramaspirit.com/Autobio-IV_Jost-1

    It’s a work in progress, but I thought I’d post this now to see if anyone is still around. I do have a lot of Jost’s NS Kindred pamphlets and Arya Kriya material.

37. Joseph Rex,

    Let’s exchange info about Jost Turner. What a splendid man! He was like a father to me, though we never met in person, we exchanged many long letters and spoke once on the phone.

    Jost was the most honorable, intelligent, practical man I have ever come across in this fallen world.

    Here’s my e-mail:

    Jackryanvb@gmail.com