I’m diligently keeping tabs of the situation in Oakland. A white transit cop was convicted today of manslaughter for killing a black passenger last year. At this point in time 1,000-1,200 people are believed on the streets of Oakland and the Oakland PD and neighboring Fremont PD are on the streets in full riot gear.
Earlier today Governor Schwarzenegger appealed for calm across the State to try to ward off any violent protests.
In Los Angeles a San Francisco Chronicle reporter relayed this “A speaker in Los Angeles is railing hard against the judgement and police brutality. Scary talk as he was calling the crowd to take up “weapons”, real and metaphoric against the “system”.” http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?%3Fblogid=150&entry_id=67466#ixzz0t8cCxKb7
You can listen in on the Oakland PD radio by doing the following:
1. install the free listening client: www.proscan.org
2. find this stream on the list: oaklandscanner.webhop.net
Alternately you can watch the ABC video stream at http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/livenow?id=7544815
Of course the Nation Of Islam, the NAACP, black preachers, and even the Black Panthers are allowed to provide their narrative of these events and how it affects their community but no media attention is given to the white and Asian communities who have been terrified by the black response to this incident.
I have received reports that workers in San Francisco earlier today shared concerned emails that if they lived in East Bay to take the Bart train back earlier and that Bart cars normally near empty at 3pm were packed full.
What does the death of Oscar Grant mean to white people compared to blacks? Well the painfully obvious answer is that whites do not see this as based on a conflict between blacks and whites but an unfortunate incident between Grant and a rookie cop. Blacks however assume that every black injured by the system is an attack on them all and they respond in kind. When is the last time a white mob gathered when a man or woman was killed by a black, in uniform or not? Not in anyones living memory. Whites continue to cower when the multiracial hell they created bites back, and the rest of us that never wanted this situation in the first place end up paying the price.
This article will be updated with any important developments.
UPDATE: July 9
83 were arrested, mostly “anarchists” from out of town. I have wrote elsewhere on the futility of breaking store windows as a revolutionary act and the pointless exercise of violence that alienates a community from your cause. Black residents were heard shouting at the anarchists “go home. This is our city. Don’t destroy it.”
“Grace Lee, 27, the owner of Grace Beauty Supply near the corner of 17th Street and Broadway, said “tons of people” broke into her store through the window to steal hair extensions and other expensive merchandise. Lee said she had watched the bedlam unfold on her store’s surveillance camera.
“I’m upset. People walked in here and police could not stop them. I don’t know what to do,” Lee said.
Lee said she believed those responsible for the looting weren’t actually protesting the verdict.
“I feel like they were familiar with the store. They knew what they wanted,” Lee said. “I don’t think it was people doing the demonstration. I feel like it was more like they waited for something to happen so they could do their own stuff.”
Had I been there I would of been there with the community leaders identifying the groups to be stopped.
Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/09/BAH61EBUBF.DTL
Two men, presumedly black, were killed in separate incidents in Oakland. As one commentor noted “where is the outrage? where is the community coming together to stop this.”
Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/09/BAH61EBUGQ.DTL
Elsewhere, a black rapist, believed to be a serial offender, raped a woman in her apartment. For those unfamiliar with the area the city Walnut Creek is an upscale community with very few blacks it is possible this attack is an act of ethnic intimidation.
Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/09/BAH61EBUMS.DTL
From Merriam-Webster:
Culture: “the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life} shared by people in a place or time <southern culture"
I use the term "culture" according to that definition. Perhaps we use this term differently.
@Steve in the Swamps:
Even if the “wigger” is his own son? Yes, according to the definition of culture above.
“There were a couple of black kids and a couple of asian kids, and they were as culturally whitebread as anyone else.”
What a nasty way to insult Whites?! You use a potentail slur, and make it a patronizing insult-with your claim that Blacks and Asians are-meaningfully-as White as we are.
No offense intended. I simply meant that they didn’t appear to act any differently than the 99% of kids who were white. According to the geneticist theory of behavior, one presumably shouldn’t expect that result.
@Spooky: I’ve said all along that people can and should form whatever opinions they desire. Associate with whomever you wish, and avoid whomever you wish to avoid.
My sole objection has to do with those particular occasions in which scientific evidence is used in an un-scientific manner to support opinions.
As men of reason, I should hope that we all strive to pursue truth wherever it leads, even if the conclusions disagree with our expectations. Mr. Wallace’s forum signature quote alludes to this very principle.
Randy Garver: “Even if the “wigger” is his own son? Yes, according to the definition of culture above.”
But, what about genetically?
I know you may think culture determines inherent traits more than even father-son genetic inheritance. But, genotypically and phenotypically biological sons do look like their fathers. And, their mannerisms are much more similar than an environmental absolutist will admit. There is a famous saying that children vow to never be like their parents-and almost always become just like them when grown up. This even applies to children who despise their parents!
“There is not one gene that MAKES someone violent.”
Regular causality means cause always produces same effect. In genetics the causality is probabilistic. A cause shifts the chances of a certain outcome. An example is smoking and lung cancer. Some say smoking does not cause cancer, as not all smokers contract lung cancer. What smoking does is raise the chances of lung cancer- it is still causality, of the probability kind. Nigger males have a 1/3 chance of going to prison- that is probability causality.
Are we to trust anti-genetic studies that are paid for by the jewish-controlled government?
Don’t forget identical-twins studies, in which twins were separated early in life and raised in different environments.
The highest correlation, btw, is in politics- R=0.62.
Our very own ideas are largely inborn! No communication is possible.
@Steve in the Swamps: It’s not that I think that culture determines inherent traits more than even father-son genetic inheritance, but that it’s a complex interplay, the extent to which nobody exactly knows for sure.
There is a famous saying that children vow to never be like their parents-and almost always become just like them when grown up. This even applies to children who despise their parents!
I’d agree with that and even go as far as to add “especially to children who despise their parents”. That’s nature’s practical joke on all of us.
I’m not a WN but I’m not against it. In ways too boring to explain in this post, it’s actually in my own interest to see you succeed. I’ve enjoyed discussing these issues because there’s some smart people here who aren’t concerned out political correctness. Quite frankly it’s refreshing.
All biological phenomena are the result of complex interplay of innumerable factors. The fact that we can’t sort all of these factors doesn’t mean that we can’t see the consequences of their complex interplay. Should I allow a rattlesnake to bite me just because I have no idea how its poison works on a cellular level? Should I move to a ghetto because I don’t understand why Black homicide rates are so much higher than White’s?
I use the term “culture” according to that definition. Perhaps we use this term differently.
We are describing the same phenomenon, it is only whether or not its defining cause is genetics that we disagree upon.
Should I move to a ghetto because I don’t understand why Black homicide rates are so much higher than White’s?
This is also an important point. The causes of black dysfunction are justifiably irrelevant for White Nationalists if they choose to render them so. They can also be justifiably relevant for opposing camps in my opinion. The issue for some folks is simply that black skin is a likely indicator of dysfunction.
I’m not a WN but I’m not against it. In ways too boring to explain in this post, it’s actually in my own interest to see you succeed. I’ve enjoyed discussing these issues because there’s some smart people here who aren’t concerned out political correctness. Quite frankly it’s refreshing.
Are you gay? Did you marry an Asian? Come on and have at it. Inquiring minds wanna know!
danielj,
read HW post on reddit. Randy came from over there. From a load of stench from other comments his responses were exemplary of a by default liberal White who discovered that true WNs are not drooling idiots. He is open-minded and seems to be decent man.
Yes, Randy married a non-white Asian.
I feel that Randy wouldn’t find comfort in our knowledge. But its very Faustian (or should I say White?) thing which he does – he started to drink from the forbidden spring and can’t stop now. Maybe it will lead to his mental anguish.
@Discard:
Should I allow a rattlesnake to bite me just because I have no idea how its poison works on a cellular level? Should I move to a ghetto because I don’t understand why Black homicide rates are so much higher than White’s?
Certainly one is justified in being wary of both those situations. The risk is easily and reliably quantified as being “high”.
But if you read racialist forums as I’ve done recently, you’ll hear all sorts of pseudo-scientific pontification like, “oh, a Catalonian Spaniard stole your bike? No wonder, they’ve got 3.4% negroid admixture”. Come on now.
Frankly, I don’t see why the WN movement needs any of that HBD justification. The desire to preserve a future for your ethnic compatriots would seem to be sufficient cause for your cause. Speculating about global IQs or propensities for this group or that group to have this personality trait or that personality trait opens you up to attack if new scientific discoveries invalidate a previously cherished belief.
Case in point: two new studies suggest that regional and ethnic IQs are affected by nutrition and parasitism. It’s possible that the actual genetic differences in IQ is significantly less than the measured IQs.
But so what? Why hang your hat on metrics like that? If you want to work to preserve your people, then case closed. It’s an unassailable point.
@RF: Nice one! I like your sense of humor. I’d rather discover truth regardless of how flattering or unflattering it might be.
@RF: Nice one! I like your sense of humor. I’d rather discover truth regardless of how flattering or unflattering it might be.
Jews are capable of discovering the truth. It is living by the truth that is the White thing to do. 🙂
Speculating about global IQs or propensities for this group or that group to have this personality trait or that personality trait opens you up to attack if new scientific discoveries invalidate a previously cherished belief.
No it doesn’t. Behavior is heritable and races are groups of people sharing common lineage, thus they inherit common behavioral traits. We are not wrong about blacks. Observing them for even a short time confirms their defects. This has been the experience of everyone who has lived around them, anywhere in the world. In any case we don’t need “scientific discoveries” where the evidence of our own senses is good enough.
Case in point: two new studies suggest that regional and ethnic IQs are affected by nutrition and parasitism. It’s possible that the actual genetic differences in IQ is significantly less than the measured IQs.
No it isn’t. Race and IQ are strongly correlated. Regardless of health, blacks score 1-2 standard deviations below whites in IQ depending on country of origin. This is just one example among many. This is a circular argument anyway, since the inability to adequately feed one’s own population suggests lower intelligence to begin with.
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My personal feeling about this Garver character is that he is a liar, a sophist, and a troll with the intention of wasting our time and insulting our intelligence. Big yawn.
Randy Garver,
Please go back and reread that article you referred to from physorg.com. All that the researchers found was a correlation (not causation) between IQ and infectious diseases. Note that this is a statistical concept and does not imply that every individual will react to infectious agents in the environment with a drop in intelligence.
Note also that the researchers’ hypothesis was that the correlation could be explained by an evolutionary process that led to reduced brain development as a cost of fighting infections. Not that “we are all equal”, but that some populations have evolved different intellectual capacities. Which is what the commenters above have been saying all along.
The whole blaming low IQ on malnutrition argument was refuted many moons ago…studies of Europeans during WWII with starvation diets…I don’t have it on hand at this second, but I’m sure I can find the sources buried in my piles of books in the basement…
Like the current politically correct social climate is going to allow for much research into racial differences. It’s amazing there is any work done on the subject at all.
Really, saying you want the science first when the science is virtually banned from being done openly is just plain naive.
The very fact it’s so suppressed tells you that there are racial differences and everyone basically knows it.
Yes, Randy married a non-white Asian.
And danielj had a child with one. So maybe it’s not the end of the world.
And danielj had a child with one. So maybe it’s not the end of the world.
Hey, I wasn’t born with my boots on 🙂
@AnalogMan: You have a valid point that the methods used in the study are statistical.
But my goal was never to suggest that everyone in the world has same IQ. I was just commenting on an observation that many people seem to express very firm and very specific conclusions using racial data that doesn’t support that level of granularity.
That the leftists won’t even accept such data, or even allow the discussion of it, is certainly an indictment of the poisonous doublethink which they force upon society (“minorities are equal to whites, now give them special treatment”). We all have to raise families in such an environment which is frightening.
Maybe it’s because I’ve just started reading about this subject, and I’m a complete noob in that regard that I’m asking questions which some of you appear to be sick to death of discussing, though I’d be rather surprised if other newcomers don’t wonder about the same things.
Given that you’re attempting to educate others, I would think that having such discussions (which are permanently available on a blog) wouldn’t be a complete waste of time.
Back on topic. Awhile back, 4 white Oakland cops stopped a young black on a traffic violation. The negro pulled a gun and killed all four. Anyone else remember this? Didn’t get much more than local coverage, because this sort of thing (see Knoxville Horror) isn’t useful to the Jews who control mass media, and their use of it to pump air into their ethnic entitlement alliances. Still, it looks like white cops in Oakland are getting tired of being gunned down en masse by blacks. That’s all good, and so is the black riot in response. Polarization. To arms, white citizens, and Bring It on.
Randy,
Don’t let the folks who get frustrated or rude stop you from raising the questions you’re raising. Part of the problem with our movement is that many of us are settled into it being a stagnant subculture, one which perceives your participation as an “intrusion” and your lack of familiarity with our message as “ignorance”. I know it can be frustrating, but you strike me as having the emotional maturity to ignore them and engage the people who are trying to have a serious discussion.
Some of us are working on making the community more friendly toward persuadables, but it’s still a work in progress.
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/01/02/swag-six-rules/
Here you go, Joanna Dee: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=7545102
The U.S. Justice Department is already reviewing the matter for probable action!
I also noticed the self-hating White is willing to support double jeopardy, to discriminate against his own race.
I’m joining the fray late, and I guess Nathan isn’t here anymore, but it was funny to hear him (as so many) imply that Compton is black. It’s been Mexican for a decade.
As some of my Mexican co-workers would say: “no ma(a)s, amigo!” 🙂
Randy Garver: It is enough for me to know who my people are, and that I want them to continue to exist, but that’s not enough for everyone. Even the idea that Whites have their own legitimate racial interests is taboo in public life. So to me, part of the value in the IQ argument, for example, is that it can be persuasive to college-trained Whites with a weakened racial consciousness.
But my goal was never to suggest that everyone in the world has same IQ. I was just commenting on an observation that many people seem to express very firm and very specific conclusions using racial data that doesn’t support that level of granularity.
Part of the reason for that is that many of them like the idea of genetic determinism; they’re simultaneously excited and energized by what it implies about their group and distraught and overwhelmed by what the presence of unlike groups among them implies. So they’re very eager to have people believe in the power of heredity in an absolute sort of a sense.
I can’t stand blacks.
I also can’t stand behind the court’s decision. What if you were in a fight with a cop, reached for your stungun but instead drew a gun and shot the cop? Would the court buy your claim that it was a mistake?
But the growing police state is the fault of niggers.