District of Corruption
The U.S. Senate has passed “comprehensive immigration reform,” 68-32. The vote among Southern senators was 17-13 against the bill. The vote among Northeastern senators was 21-1 in favor of the bill.
Note: The cloture vote passed this morning, 68-32. Among Southern Republicans, Corker, Alexander, Rubio, and Graham voted for cloture. They were joined by Nelson, Landrieu, Pryor, McCaskill, Hagan, Warner, Kaine, Rockefeller, and Manchin.
Once again the Northeast pushes an anti-White agenda and White Southerners (even considering the degree to which we’ve been displaced in our land) resist. The USA is a curse upon Dixie and White people in general.
Dan Poole – the JewSA is breaking apart. There won’t BE “another vote in a few more years”.
There won’t BE a JewSA in a few more years.
Good riddance.
Palmetto – preach!
Has Pat Buchanan been reading OD?
http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-voting-rights-act-decision-does-the-south-belong-in-the-union
Remnant:
In that PJB op-ed, we find yet another name of another left wing crank who is playing right into Hunter Wallace’s hands, in stating that Dixie (or what’s left of it) should be jettisoned so that Yanquiland can have its neo-Marxist utopia.
Denise,
I sure hope so. While I don’t think “worse is better” in the sense that something good will necessarily come out of the collapse of the USA, I nonetheless want to see this “nation” BURN BABY BURN.
http://www.sstibbs.com/scott/2005_archives/images/burning_flag.jpg
Dissolve the Union
Over the last 30 years, a lot of young farmers from NE Illinois have sold out and bought twice the acreage for half the cost in Missouri.
Thanks to everyone who put Rand Paul’s feat to the fire.
We tried our best.
Bad Karma for opposing the Confederacy, Germany in two world wars.
Oh well.
What can I say?
Please don’t take it out on me.
Jack Ryan:
If you find any more traitors coming down the pike before any of the rest of us can see them, please, yell a little louder.
Keep an eye out for an upcoming article: Dixie vs. America, The South and Immigration, 1965-2013.
Jack Ryan, you were right about Rand Paul when I wanted to support him. I don’t agree with you on everything you say about libertarians in general or Rand’s father but I will give you that you were dead on about Rand.
From all that I have heard, Illinois is chock full of coal burners. I’ve even heard niggers from there talk about it. Maybe it ain’t so, but that is what I have heard multiple times from multiple sources. Plus, the few forum posts on various sites made by people from Illinois is consistent with that. The women seem to be especially “tolerant” liberals.
Regarding Arizona and New Mexico, I’d take them. You bet. Dissolved from the Union, it would be little trouble to run off the Hispanics and put them to flight. Moreover, if you’ve ever been to either state, you know how sparsely populated the entire area really is outside the largest cities like Phoenix, Santa Fe and Albuquerque. The indians there, Apaches and Navaho’s and others, though certainly not part of our culture or anything, don’t bother me much. But I love the country. It’s great. Beautiful and rugged. Hot and desolate. Good country for real isolationists and true individuals. Hasn’t changed much at all, really, since before Columbus. Or any other explorer that seems to might have come before him, even.
I just tallied the results of the following bills:
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (2006) – This bill passed the Senate by a 62-36-2 vote. The vote in the South was 20-9-1 against the bill.
The Sensenbrenner Bill (2005) – This was the House version of the bill that contained the 700 mile border fence, but not the amnesty. The bill passed the House by a 239-182-13 vote. The vote in the South was 105-39-7 in support of the bill.
“Comprehensive Immigration Reform” failed in 2006 and both bills died because the House and Senate couldn’t agree on a compromise bill.
The Secure Fence Act (2006) This was the pure border fence bill that W. passed after outraging conservatives when the Republican-controlled Senate passed “comprehensive immigration reform.”
The vote in the full Senate was 80-19-1 in favor of the bill. The vote in the South was 30-0-0 in favor of the bill. The vote in the full House was 283-138-10 in favor of the bill. The vote in the South was 117-30-6 in favor of the bill.
Every single Southern senator voted in 2006 for the Secure Fence Act which promised 700 miles of double layered fencing on the Mexican border. You can imagine what happened to the border fence when Obama won the 2008 election and Democrats took over Congress in 2006.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform (2007) – This bill was killed on a cloture vote in the Senate. The vote in the full Senate was 61-34-4 against cloture. The vote in the South was 28-2 against cloture on the bill.
Jack Ryan:
Paul might have needed pressuring, but in the end he voted Nay, against the bill. There are a lot of Republicans, including Southern Republicans who deserve our scorn long before him.
Woodward’s map is somewhat deceptive. The “Greater Appalachia” category that he uses encompasses both the Transappalachian Upper South AND the Transappalachian Lower North. The former is derived from the western Virginia/North Carolina culture (settled by Scots-Irish and poor Tidewater farmers) and the latter is derived from the Pennsylvania culture (settled in this particular region mostly by Scots-Irish and some Germans and Quakers).
Though there are similarities between the two regions, they have been historically quite distinct on racial issues. The Transappalachian Lower North (Southwest Pennsylvania, Central Ohio, Central Indiana, and Central Illinois) had one of the nation’s strongest underground railroad movements and a decisively anti-slavery population (although less so than the Far North). It also was a “Nation of Immigrants”. On the other hand, the Upland South was pro-slavery (although less so than the Deep South) and received few immigrants (with the exception of Missouri, which caused its Southern character to diminish).
One of the important similarities between the two regions, as I mentioned, was the high Scots-Irish Presbyterian population. The difference in opinion about slavery between Presbyterian churches the Upper South vs the Lower North was the key factor in the North-South Presbyterian Church split.
For the record, I consider the southern 1/3 of Illinois and Indiana to be more Southern than Northern. Conversely, the northern 1/3 of West Virginia is more Northern than Southern (as evidenced by the fact that it was so anti-Confederate that it voted to secede from its own state at a time when loyalty to state superceded loyalty to country).
The Garreau map seems to be basically accurate.
Keep an eye out for an upcoming article: Dixie vs. America, The South and Immigration, 1965-2013.
Then you better explain to your readers that you have your own made-up definition of Dixie that doesn’t conform with the official borders of the South. Your version has 15 states including Missouri but not Maryland and Delaware. Here is what the real South looks like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States
If you insist on using an incorrect definition of the South (shared by no one else but you) to explain national voting patterns, then your credibility will suffer accordingly. People will see that you’re fudging the borders for propaganda purposes in order to make a political point. You will look slippery and dishonest.
Or you could use the real definition of the South, accepted by everyone (the 16 states south of the Mason-Dixon line), and your credibility will remain intact. The political point you are trying to make will only be slightly blunted, but more importantly your reputation for honesty and integrity will remain unsullied.
I’m not interested in the U.S. Census Bureau’s definition of the South. Their definition of “the West” lumps Utah, Montana, and Wyoming in with Hawaii and California.
There is no such thing as an “official definition” of the South that is “accepted by everyone.” That comes straight from James C. Cobb, Charles Bullock, and Wayne Flynt who are three of South’s leading historians and political scientists.
The idea that Delaware is a Southern state, but not Missouri, is ridiculous. Missouri is far more Southern than Delaware. In between Maryland (52 percent of Maryland’s population was born in another state) and Missouri (30 percent of Missouri’s population was born in another state) and Florida (70 percent of Florida’s population was born in another state), Missouri is the most Southern of the three.
Southern Missouri is part of the South. North Florida is part of the South. Maryland’s Eastern Shore is part of the South. The border between the South/non-South also runs through Texas, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and Virginia.
What are the grounds for saying that Florida and Maryland – and even Delaware – are part of the South, but not Missouri? It certainly can’t be religion because Maryland and Delaware are Catholic whereas even Northern Missouri is a Baptist stronghold. It certainly can’t be history because Missouri was a slave state, a Confederate state, and was also part of the Jim Crow South.
The vast majority of people who live in the South would say that Missouri is more of a Southern state than Delaware. Of course, as we have already discussed, the people who live in Alabama and Georgia would be mystified to learn that Alabama is part of “Transappalachia” whereas Georgia is part of the “South Atlantic.”
The Appalachian Mountains separate Kentucky and Virginia and Tennessee and North Carolina. They do not separate Alabama and Georgia.
I have close family born and bred in Missouri and I grew up in the state next door to the north. Missouri is indeed southern in flavor but whether Missourians generally consider themselves southern is questionable. My family doesn’t although I do. I once referred to my uncle there as a “southern gentlemen” at a family gathering and an ominous silence fell over the table like I had committed a faux pas of some sort.
Native residents of far southern Illinois (Route 13-Marion-Carbondale-Harrisburg and points south) speak with a slight but noticeable mid-South accent.
Special thanks to everyone who put Rand Paul’s feet to the fire and made it know Rand Paul’s presidential campaign was DOA if he voted for amnesty.
Sorry to see my one man effort to get Il GOP Sen Kirkto vote agains amnesty failed, but I can see Kirt working behind the scenes with House GOPs to kill the worst of Sen amnesty.
Also very surprised to see both Tennessee GOP senators voting for amnesty – what happened her in the South?
Jack Ryan wrote:
Special thanks to everyone who put Rand Paul’s feet to the fire and made it know Rand Paul’s presidential campaign was DOA if he voted for amnesty.
I respond:
His candidacy should be dead anyway just for all his “we’ll find a place for you” bullshit.
Another one whose no vote was functionally a yes is the other Kentuckian, Mitch McConnell. He voted no, but from what I hear, he didn’t exactly wield his power as Minority Leader to sway votes from yes to no.
I’m just so glad Roy Blunt here in MO responded to our pressure.
Two Democrats we should all unload on: Claire McCaskill and Joe Donnelly. In her first year in the Senate, McCaskill was an immigration patriot. However, I didn’t know whether she was doing right because she really believed that way, or she was viscerally and partisan-ly reacting to the President pushing amnesty being a “Republican.” Now we have the answer, and it’s not the answer I wanted. As for Joe Donnelly, even V-Dare was pushing him and his big time B+ grade from Numbers USA during his time in the House as a “we can’t lose on immigration” alternative just in case Richard Mourdock didn’t win, and that’s what happened. Well, fail that. I’m starting to wonder if NUSA grades really mean that much.
And also….don’t blame me. I voted for and worked for Todd Akin, who would have been an absolute no vote on this treasonous piece of legislation.
Another one whose no vote was functionally a yes is the other Kentuckian, Mitch McConnell.
Let’s not mistake Rand Paul of Pennsylvania for a Kentuckian.
I have close family born and bred in Missouri and I grew up in the state next door to the north. Missouri is indeed southern in flavor but whether Missourians generally consider themselves southern is questionable. My family doesn’t although I do. I once referred to my uncle there as a “southern gentlemen” at a family gathering and an ominous silence fell over the table like I had committed a faux pas of some sort.
It’s sadly common for residents of states on our frontier with the USA (especially Missouri, Oklahoma, and Kentucky) to have fallen for the Empire’s label of “Midwest”. Even still, Confederate flags and other Southern symbolism are common in Missouri.
Did I really do what I just did?
I just took a harder line than Jack Ryan on someone with the surname Paul.
Rand Paul gets msm spotlight than Jeff Session completely shut out from the msm up north and west coast.
Michael,
Is there a glitch at your site? My posts aren’t getting through.
Missouri was a Union state, not a Confederate state.
In my opinion, Missouri comes closest to a 50-50 balance between South and non-South. I can categorize every other state relatively easily, but not Missouri.
“Missouri (30 percent of Missouri’s population was born in another state)”
I wonder what percentage of this population is from Southern states. Kentucky and especially West Virginia are experiencing a significant outflow of population due to the poor economy, and many of those emigrants might be ending up in Missouri.
“Rand Paul of Pennsylvania”
Rand Paul was raised in Texas, from the age of 5.
Missouri was a Union state, not a Confederate state.
Missouri seceded from the Union on 31 October 1861 and promptly joined the CSA. The 12th state of the Confederate flag is for Missouri.
Rand Paul was raised in Texas, from the age of 5.
So?
@EC
The way to figure West Virginia is that the Ohio River valley was the area of majority Union support i.e. Huntington, Parkersburg, Wheeling.
Btw, West Virginia’s Italian Roman Catholic Senator Joe Manchin voted for immigration reform & amnesty. So did Billionaire elitist Jayboy Rockefeller as expected.
“Missouri seceded from the Union on 31 October 1861 and promptly joined the CSA. The 12th state of the Confederate flag is for Missouri.”
The Missouri government split into pro-Union and pro-Confederate factions (with the latter including the governor Claiborne Jackson). The pro-Confederate factions, not the whole government, convened at Neosho and decided that Missouri would secede. The pro-Union faction convened at a separate meeting and decided to impeach Jackson.
Also, 3 times as many Missourians fought for the Union than for the Confederacy.
“The way to figure West Virginia is that the Ohio River valley was the area of majority Union support i.e. Huntington, Parkersburg, Wheeling.”
Also the Morgantown area around the corner with Pennsylvania and Maryland.
Here’s a map that shows the divide:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wvmapagain.png
The Missouri government split into pro-Union and pro-Confederate factions (with the latter including the governor Claiborne Jackson). The pro-Confederate factions, not the whole government, convened at Neosho and decided that Missouri would secede. The pro-Union faction convened at a separate meeting and decided to impeach Jackson.
Missouri was invaded and its government overthrown by the invaders. All occupied people have their share of collaborators. Similar acts of collaboration occurred in other Southern states.
Also, 3 times as many Missourians fought for the Union than for the Confederacy.
You are counting non-Missourians who came to the state from Germany or from Illinois as Missourians.
“You are counting non-Missourians who came to the state from Germany or from Illinois as Missourians.”
Using your own standard, you are counting “non-Missourians” who came to the state from Virginia, Kentucky, or Tennessee.
Most of the people in the Western South at the time were from other states. States like Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri were less than a generation removed from the frontier when the war broke out.
@EC
Yeah, there are people who claim you can draw a diagonal line from Huntington WV to Morgantown, WV. Everything to the west of the diagonal line is majority Union, and everything east is Confederate.
I’ve seen the map before, and there are questions about the election returns mapped, but, it in general approximates the diagonal.
@EC
The thing that most people don’t realize is that West Virginia was occupied early by the Union army. The only time in command that McClellan moved fast.
Reconstruction came early to West Virginia.
Using your own standard, you are counting “non-Missourians” who came to the state from Virginia, Kentucky, or Tennessee.
I don’t see a problem with that since those people were Missouri’s original settlers.
Here is a 152 year old map of the Southern states.
http://www.civilwaronthewesternborder.org/sites/default/files/ConfederacyAdmitsMissouri_0.JPG
Oklahoma was still unsettled, which explains its exclusion. Adding Oklahoma and excluding the northern extreme of Delaware, I consider this map to show the minimum starting point for the lands that the Southron people must claim as our exclusive living space.
I get tired of people trying to whittle Dixie into as small an area as possible by removing Missouri, Kentucky, the western half of Virginia, Texas, and so on.
Here is a better map, this one showing Oklahoma.
http://www.thestarsandbars.com/The_Stars_And_Bars/Where_We_Stand_On_The_CSA_files/CSA%20Map%20w-%20Flag.jpg
“I consider this map to show the minimum starting point for the lands that the Southron people must claim as our exclusive living space.”
Several places on your map have never been culturally Southern.
1) Northern West Virginia, as discussed on this thread, has always been more culturally Northern than Southern. It was primarily settled by Pennsylvanians.
2) The northern tier of Maryland was more Northern than Southern before the Civil War. Western Maryland was settled mostly by Pennsylvanians and was culturally similar to Northern West Virginia. The Baltimore area was originally a North-South mix, and Irish and German immigration in the 1840s and 1850s made it decisively Northern.
3) Washington, D.C. has always been a transient city, with people from all over the country. It cannot be neatly characterized as being part of any specific region.
4) South Florida was a basically uninhabited swamp prior to the Civil War. After the Civil War, it was developed and settled by Northerners such as Henry Flagler and Julia Tuttle. An interesting aside: the South Florida swamps before the Civil War were something of a refuge for escaped slaves from Northern Florida.
5) St. Louis and most of Northern Missouri was already more Northern than Southern before the Civil War. Missouri was settled from south to north. At the beginning (around 1820), settlement was limited to Southeast Missouri and the settlers were largely Southern. By the time that Northern Missouri was settled, a significant number of the settlers were German immigrants and Northerners.
“I consider this map to show the minimum starting point for the Southron people must claim as our exclusive living space.”
– Then you can take that map and wipe your tears with it, you delusional little pissant. There’s no way in hell the couple dozen geriatrics and black-toothed, backwood inbreds who show up at a silly conference once a year, are entitled to anything approaching the territory on that stupid map.
Reality check, BubbaGump: There’s a tidal-wave of Mexicans fast approaching and about to slam into the already deep sea of niggers that is “Dixie”. You fucktards will be lucky if you manage to hang on to one isolated little once that happens. And there isn’t shit you can do to stop it.
*isolated little county
The LoS is a joke.
” You fucktards will be lucky if you manage to hang on to one isolated little once that happens. And there isn’t shit you can do to stop it.”
You’d know. You fucktards that are left in Detroit can’t do a damn thing about the niggers and are desperately clinging on to a few isolated pockets there before being decisively driven out by the non-whites.
Will the South be Detroit writ large?
Will white Southerners, a decade or so hence, be like the few remaining white fucktards of Detroit–making their final stand before falling to the colored hordes?
Do we see in Detroit today a snapshot photo of the near future of all the South?
Will Hunter Wallace simply be 334Wallace on some future forum?
The south will be a mix of niggers and Mexicans, just as the TPTB want it.
There is no real push back coming from the south, so they will be rolled over.
Why is 313Chris allowed to comment here? Notice how he refers to us as ‘geriatrics and black-toothed, backwood inbreds .’ And yet he claims to be pro-White. He also says we have no hope and tries to convince us on a daily basis that all is lost to Blacks and Mexicans. He offers nothing of substance. Nothing. I consider such people as 313Chris to be far more disgusting and evil than any of the enemies commonly listed by commenters on this site.