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I had a brief conversation with a friend this afternoon about the direction of the Southern Nationalist movement that reminded me of a term that Matt Parrott coined and introduced here several years ago:
“He won’t be able to answer you, because (Holocaust) Denial is about cryptkeeping. A stagnant movement gathers a lot of undesirables, and chief among them are the cryptkeepers, men who live entirely in a different time and place than the present. Most of them have barely concealed contempt for the contemporary White Americans they pretend to be advocates for. Their hearts and minds are in Nazi Germany, or the antebellum South, or even a mythical Hyperborea of Aryan demigods.”
Matt Parrott has used this term on many other occasions:
“In all seriousness, I think a distinction must be made between those who advocate a restoration of a more healthy and sustainable way of life and those I call “cryptkeepers”, who are truly committed to the anachronistic fetishization of bygone nations, defunct oligarchies, and obsolete behavioral patterns. It’s easy enough to tell who they are because they’re the ones who never even think to explore ways to bring people who exist now to the place they ostensibly wish to take them.
They’re not trying to heal the living. They’re mourning the dead.”
This brings me to the ongoing debate on the internet over Confederate Correctness which I have heard about, but haven’t really had the chance to follow, about the Southern Nationalist flag, the dress code at League of the South rallies, and which flags and signs will be displayed at the Uvalda, GA rally.
My own view is that the modern Southern Nationalist struggle is distinct from the causes that our ancestors were fighting for in both the American Revolution and the War Between the States: monarchy vs. republicanism, national independence, limited government vs. consolidation, slavery, honor, states’ rights, etc.
In the 21st century, we are are fighting for our survival as a distinct people. We are in a struggle to secure our existence. We are fighting over land and women. We aren’t fighting over propositions like “natural rights” or “self government” or even national independence which is only a secondary goal.
When I look into my girlfriend’s eyes, I know that I am fighting for the present and the future of my people. I’m fighting for my future descendants who will survive me and who will live on forever through my people, not “liberty” or my dead ancestors. As much as I admire their cause, it is not the same or as serious as my own cause.
If every Confederate flag was burned and every Confederate monument was destroyed and every other aspect of our Confederate heritage was lost tomorrow, but the future existence of people was secured in the process, it would be worth the cost.
We the living are not the “cryptkeepers” of the Confederacy.
Note: In sum, it doesn’t matter which flag is used, or how we are supposed to dress at the Uvalda rally. The only thing that matters is our genetic survival as a people and we should use whatever flag, symbol, or dress code that best advances that goal.
Well if there is a spot to find hopeless Lost Causer’s then it is right Here.
Well said, HW.
“The only thing that matters is our genetic survival as a people”
That sounds more WN than SN. Is the “slave-based culture” expendable now?
I’m the one who posted a comment at PP’s site a couple weeks ago that noted how sloppy some of our people looked while protesting; blame me if it makes you happy. I’ll stick with what I said.
“Cryptkeeper” sounds similar to the notion of “Old Believer”. If one isn’t young enough, or if he is hung on some CONVICTION (a position one holds that one is willing to die for), not forward-thinking, open-minded and flexible, he may be a ….
Re: “We are fighting over land and women”:
Suppose that the future existence of the unique “Southron” ethnic genetics, and ownership of the land were both secured AT THE EXPENSE OF our liberty, faith and all else we know is right and hold dear.
Steve E, it was a point well made.
Mosin does have a point. It is our identity and culture which matter as well as our genetic survival.
I want a homeland for my grandchildren, but I also want them to live in freedom and liberty. Without the second, the homeland is useless. We must be willing to fight for both.
I also understand what Hunter is saying, a little hyperbole to make his point not to get bogged down on points of order like official flag design.
Of course I’m always focusing on the foundational role of faith, as I understand it, without which no one can TRULY break free of Antichrist tyranny — though genetics and land might be preserved somehow, perhaps on a reservation system like Indians.
Where you have our genetics, there you will have our culture, for culture is an expression over time of our genetic traits in a given natural environment.
What good is a hedonistic personal liberty that can only be exercised in your own four walls?Our enemies have done an awesome job over the last 60 years expanding useless and largely destructive “personal freedoms” at the expense of our say in our society. It is society that we hold most dear.
We have personal freedoms coming out our ears, but no freedom for our own societies to reflect our values. The central government will take a massive dump on any Southern community not organized around the leftist model.
Fascism is the only way to keep the rich sucking every last drop of blood of the common people and also to keep leftist Jews from overthrowing White civilization. A Southern Fascism would take a different form than the Italian and German Fascism of the past but all this talk of freedom this and freedom that has got to go. We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children or Southern children if you prefer we have no more time for bullshitting around.
Are you dating a Yankee?
Winning in politics is about testing approaches on your opponents and seeing what works in the real world. If something does not work, you cut it and try something else. There is no room for sentiment or nostalgia. You must follow the scientific method, without compromising what it is you actually stand for. What is it you stand for, ultimately? What is the core?
White Survival.
If you compromise on your core issue, like so many before, then you may as well have done nothing at all.
As for these crypt keepers/librarians, they are not interested in what works, they are only interested in their version of the truth.
They are not politicians, they are librarians and will actively hinder progress, if it is made outside of traditional methods. These people are not serious about winning, so you must send them back to their crypts and libraries. Their domain is the past, not the present.
The only question people should be asking is, Does it work?
Does the new flag work better in the real world, better than the traditional one? If so, what is the evidence that it works better?
This is the scientific method that made White men great.
Steve E does make a good point. The messenger conveys the message through his appearance and delivery. Most people will tune in or tune out depending on how the person delivering the message carries himself. The sloppy, cheap clothes and unkept personal hygiene (not shaving) that was on display in the SN videos I saw, would leave most people thinking that you people are not to be taken seriously and that your organization is a joke.
Palmetto was probably the best dressed, and that’s saying a lot about how poor you guys look, considering that he most likely shops at Walmart for his attire.
Kick it up a notch, at least shave before the next rally. 🙂
Any successful ‘nationalism’ that is a true nationalism, centered on a particular people and culture, must have some anchor in the past. One’s people means the whole unbroken chain of ancestors: the present generation, and the future descendants.
Any nationalism worth the name cannot be built primarily around an ideology. Isn’t that what much of America’s problem is? We are supposed to fight for abstractions like ‘freedom’ and ‘equality’ and ‘liberty’ (whatever those may mean to different individuals), but only when the emotions are engaged will people really fight for a cause. There has to be a passion, and yes, sentiments, loyalties, and a bond with compatriots. Yet these seem to be lacking on most ethnonationalist or WN discussions.
Most people will not commit time, energy, passion, and risk livelihood and life for abstract ideologies or the mental constructs of some European academic or philosopher who has nothing to do with us and our kin and our particular history.
Most Southron people will not rally around some abstruse continental philosopher or theorist. They will rally around the symbols of our fathers, and the knowledge of the greatness we once had as a people.
But if the aim is to attract only theory-inclined ideologues and build ideological sandcastles, maybe it’s good to jettison the past and the ‘nostalgia’ just as the Jacobins did.
Re-inventing the wheel, or trying to fashion a supposed ethnonationalist movement without honoring our past and our progenitors will not fly with many Southron people.
We as a people don’t spring out of nowhere, and we might not have our present Southron heritage, threadbare though it may be, without our ancestors being ”crypt-keepers’ and fusty old fogies who honored the past. They, luckily, passed on their sense of identity and history to us somewhat intact. What will we pass on if we strip away that sense of continuity and roots? Von Mises or De Benoist or Evola or whoever can never belong to us. They belong to Europe, and the rarefied world of academia and ideologies, which is not the world most of us inhabit.
Cryptkeepers seems to describe a larger group of which the “gravestone polishers” are a subset. Those who clear away weeds from some long forgotten Confederate soldiers tombstone, take pictures of it and spend hours chest thumping about how they’ve saved “the heritage”.
I don’t know what “hopeless lost causers” means, so I’m going to treat it as meaningless.
History lives within us, the future will be made.
And one of the ways we help control the debate, is to call the bastards on THEIR racism.
Like this.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/racism-speaks-loud-and-clear-when-charlie-rangel-calls-tea-party-patriots-crackers/
“When I look into my girlfriend’s eyes, I know that I am fighting for the present and the future of my people. I’m fighting for my future descendants who will survive me and who will live on forever through my people, not “liberty” or my dead ancestors.”
HW, you have just corroborated the old adage about the difference between boyhood and manhood. “A son is a son till he gets him a wife, but a daughter’s a daughter, the rest of her life.”
Women are to be kept- yes, kept- by either their fathers, or their Husbands, who become their fathers ‘in loco parentis’ their entire lives. Which is why giving the vote to women is not a ‘right’ but a ‘wrong’ as far as Patriarchal, Biblical society is concerned. But a youth must grow to shoulder the future of the race, before he becomes a man. And it usually was at about that same time, that he embarked on his life’s work, built his own house, and started growing his own crops, that he ‘earned’ the right as a Yeoman, to vote. For all of this, truly is (and must be again) ‘Man’s work.’
Slaves and women used to ‘know their place.’ That day must come again. You are beginning to grasp it, far earlier that I did- and you are a better man for it.
Bravo, Hunter. God be with you, as you grow in grace and the knowledge of God.
Indeed Hunter, we must move forward, but we can’t live in the past. We must respect what our ancestors accomplished, but our circumstances are different, and we must fight differently. We must win over our Southron people to our cause, but we can’t do it by using the words and tactics of 150 years ago, or we will truly be Neo-Confederates stuck 150years in the past.
@ “…I want a homeland for my grandchildren, but I also want them to live in freedom and liberty. Without the second, the homeland is useless. We must be willing to fight for both….”
Land (free and clear, without taxation, and the openly acknowledged right of the simple REALITY, that one CAN defend what one has by force at any moment a person choses to do so)—- is the basis of freedom, imo.
People have accused me of wanting to be an aristocrat for that reason.
But the great thing about the Generational Americans is that they harken to a time when commoners had the same LAND basis for their existence as seemingly only aristocrats in europe claimed— land and the acknowledgement of armorial rights.
I say acknowledgement—- b/c there really isn’t a “second amendment right.” THIS IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT of REALITY, the reality that anyone, any place, any time CAN DECIDE to “defend ones possessions.”
It’s not a “right” b/c it’s written—- but the writing of it was an acknowledgement of REALITY.
And no one discusses this, but “Freedom” is CONTEXTUAL. Blacks want freedom from master-slavers in movies. Jews want freedom from evil nazis in movies.
The question is what you want “freedom” FOR and “freedom” FROM.
Many of my ancestors wanted —very truly— freedom from paying the pope. And freedom from paying the queen. They wanted freedom of LAND and self-defense, SO THEY COULD CREATE THINGS, and reproduce.
I come from a CREATIVE group.
We NEED “freedom” (from various oppressions) to CREATE better.
Feudalist populations (in America now) going on and on about “freedoms” is somewhat confusing to me. Maybe somebody here could explain it.
This may be why there are so many genuine national-socialists among more recent immigrant populations. They want to be taken care of by the state, and HAVE NO NEED to create anything, only to reproduce.
Of course, reproducing is good. But non-feudalist Whites will ask the NEXT questions (as they have for centuries, even to their own detriment, lol)—– Reproduce FOR WHAT? TO CREATE WHAT?
—the misunderstood dilemma of many generational americans. For feudal populations, just reproducing to be Labor for the central State is truly enough of a life.
Seriously—- if I had to live in a highly latinized area, I would refuse to reproduce any children for that system. Just saying.
“In the 21st century, we are are fighting for our survival as a distinct people. We are in a struggle to secure our existence. We are fighting over land and women. We aren’t fighting over propositions like “natural rights” or “self government” or even national independence which is only a secondary goal.”
Jack replies:
Agreed. One should respect, honor and revere the past, but live and fight in the here and now. Too many White people try to live in the past, they hold on to institutional loyalties because of past family affiliations. cases in point:
The Democrat Party – Southern Yellow dog Democrats
The Southern Baptist Church
SEC Football
Military war heroes like John McCain
Strict Constitutionalism – pushed by the likes of Ron Paul, Rand Paul.
Situations change. The national Democrat party is viciously anti Southern White. Just because your great grand Daddywas a Democrat, that’s no reason to support the likes of Obama, Eric Holder, Elena Kagin, Tammy Baldwin now. Southern Baptists have all but renounced the White South. Almost all higher up US war heroes, Military brass are like McCain, open borders immigration traitors, Christian Zionists with jet setting wives who love to go to Hollywood premiers and hang out with Lib Min Left Coasters.
@VA, August 4, 2013 at 6:51 am: Any successful ‘nationalism’ that is a true nationalism, centered on a particular people and culture, must have some anchor in the past. One’s people means the whole unbroken chain of ancestors: the present generation, and the future descendants. Any nationalism worth the name cannot be built primarily around an ideology. Isn’t that what much of America’s problem is?
Truer words have never been published on this website.
What is a nation? A nation is a group of people united by ties of ancestry, language, and culture. The Dixie nation is a group of people united by ancestry (Anglo-Celtic), language (Southern English) and culture (Christian). A Southern nationalism based upon these ties can succeed. Any “Southern nationalism” based upon ideology, however, will fail. Any attempt to build an ideological republic is an exercise in futility. Have we not learned the fatal flaws of constitutional government from history?
Nationalism or nothing.
“Feudalist populations (in America now) going on and on about “freedoms” is somewhat confusing to me. Maybe somebody here could explain it.
Consumer Interpretation of Freedom is having a choice of flavours ice cream.
What worked then. Will not work now .Cannot duplicate past events with the present trends. Truly believe in heart inspires others. Half measure is merely entertaining oneself.
A white nationalist once told me that, since he was too busy saving Western civilization, he had neither the time nor the desire to study such stuffy subjects as Aristotle and Machiavelli. You see, he was too busy trying to save Western civilization to be bothered with learning anything about it.
All too often people excuse their disdain for the past by proclaiming they are focused on the “here and now.” The survival of a people involves more than mere genetic continuation. If the South dies, it will die of amnesia. In the end, it will die because it had too few “crypt-keepers.”
DixieGirl wrote: “Seriously—- if I had to live in a highly latinized area, I would refuse to reproduce any children for that system. Just saying.”
That is one of the best ever, IMO, of your many good comments, DixieGirl!
For our people–White Southerners–to survive and prosper, we need a free and independent homeland. That is why Southern Nationalism and our movement toward an independent South is so important. We draw inspiration from our heroic forebears from ancient times until recently, but this is our fight in our day. We had better spend the requisite amount of time and effort to make ourselves warriors . . . for there surely will be a fight.
Michael Hill says:
August 4, 2013 at 7:08 pm
For our people–White Southerners–to survive and prosper, we need a free and independent homeland. That is why Southern Nationalism and our movement toward an independent South is so important. We draw inspiration from our heroic forebears from ancient times until recently, but this is our fight in our day. We had better spend the requisite amount of time and effort to make ourselves warriors . . . for there surely will be a fight.
I would love to believe this but I see no evidence of it. The long term trend indicates that “a fight” is less likely as time goes by. Contrary to popular belief, rebellions without some type of power and wealth behind them do not really happen.
Change my mind, please.
Truth!, Bill Yancy. There is no such thing as “grass roots”. Follow the money.
Contemplate that you have an enemy that is orchestrating events to end your genetic progeny because they view you and your kind as competition for hegemony – then you have become nearly fully conscious of reality as it is:
http://youtu.be/CYDJbJaZnh0
There are beings distinct from you as a people who are scandalized by your perceived superiority as demonstrated by your genetic heritage and cultural accomplishments and have sworn both to defile the accomplishments of your people and then to dispossess your kind. Azog the defiler who seeks to end the genetic line of a competitor, or Magua:
http://youtu.be/Vi7mum9OewA
Good quoted points by Matt Parrot (the first thing he’s said that impressed me).
I have some issues with the general sentiment expressed here of moving on vs. focusing on the past, but I’ll leave those for another time. I don’t have a problem with new ideas and new tactics in general, although as a conservative I am probably inherently skeptical of them. But there are new ideas vs. old ideas, and there are good ideas vs. bad ideas. Every new idea is not necessarily a good idea. The Southern Nationalist flag may be a new idea, but, IMO, it is a bad idea, at least as proposed here. As I said in the Facebook thread, I don’t think it would be the best idea for everyone to show up with Confederate Battle Flags to the demonstration, because that would immediately become the focus and would characterize the demonstration in a certain way and distract from the immigration restriction message. (IMO we should take a clue from leftist protestors and have signs with a message such as “Build a Fence,” “Enforcement Only,” etc. with the League’s website displayed at the bottom.) But showing up with a bunch of Southern Nationalist flags is problematic in several ways. First of all, no one outside these circles knows what it is. So it will confuse people and raise questions. Here is how I can see this going:
Media, Bystander, Etc. – “What is that flag?”
Flag Waving Protestor – “It’s the Southern Nationalism flag.”
Media, Bystander Etc. – “Oh really? I’ve never seen that or heard of that before. What’s it’s origin?”
Flag Waving Protestor – “Some of us made it up recently.”
I’m sorry but this looks like amateur hour. It’s looks like play acting, and it invites ridicule. Flags are organic. They have an origin and a history. If you must have a Southern Nationalism flag then it needs to be introduced slowly and preferably designed and decided on by a committee or group of some sort. Maybe the Southern National Congress could design one. Then it would have a legitimate origin and history, but you can’t have a flag that supposedly represents something based on “because a few people said so.”
For the same reasons, I think displaying the Georgia Session Flag is a good idea. When people ask you what it is you tell them and people automatically understand that it is a historical flag with a historical origin. Plus it differentiates you from being a bunch of Tea Partiers or whoever protesting immigration and plants the issue of secession.
I usually save my ammunition for fighting the left and avoid these internecine disputes, but I really think this (the flag and the general sentiment) is wrongheaded, and decided to speak up.
How many flags organically emerged during the war? There had to be dozens in Alabama alone.
I don’t see it as a big deal. I would expect new flags to emerge. I don’t see what is so objectionable about the design of this flag either.
It is basically the Alabama state flag with black stripes.
“” The survival of a people involves more than mere genetic continuation. If the South dies, it will die of amnesia. In the end, it will die because it had too few “crypt-keepers.”
Bravo and well said, William G.!
“I would love to believe this but I see no evidence of it. …Change my mind, please.”
I wish I could say something to help you with that, but unfortunately, I too see too much change in the people around me to believe that any serious attempt to turn back the tide of efforts to change our culture and way of life, these being made by squelching any dissent on the part of our people and by importation of massive numbers of “representatives of other cultures” into our country.
What do I mean by changes in our people? Willingness to marry outside our race, for one, willingness to fight the indigenous peoples of other lands far from our own in the interests of what I call “the Empire”, for another, and acceptance of the PC mental shackles that they are taught to assume.
I see more older White couples (grandparent age) babysitting for their White daughter’s black babies, I see more White girls with black “mates” and a passel of little Obama’s tagging along behind them, and just today I saw something I have seen only rarely before: a White couple with a young black kid. Not too long ago, NO White man would have ever wanted to shack up with a White woman who had been thus “compromised”, let alone accept a mulatto child to feed as well.
Ah yes, …”the times they are a-changing”.
On this particular issue, I find myself convinced by the reasoning of Red Phillips.
Nothing wrong with “crypt-keeping” per se, and I think Parrott would agree that keeping an active record of past events is crucial. There are plenty of people who are best suited to do this and there’s nothing wrong with it. However, when people mistake their “crypt-keeping”, re-enacting, etc., for a current political movement, they’re fooling themselves. This is what I believe he is referring to.
Personally, I think it’s a necessary stage for our types (SN, WN, NS, etc.) of movements to go through. I know that it was once so bad in SN as to be sickening, but that seems to have passed, for the most part (exit the Chastains & their distortions).
Back to Parrott. I see WNs saying things like this all the time. They say it because they don’t know what else to say this week. It’s like “hey, we’re still working on a plan, check back later, we’re still alive and kicking!” Right now, complaining about “crypt-keeping” translates into the dissatisfied artist adding another daily touch-up to his painting.
Hey, we’re all struggling to come up with solutions and strategies, all of which still seem more out of reach than ever.
For the naysayers you are completely free to organise any demonstration or protest you wish and to set any rules for it as you please. SNN and its supporters (with the endorsement of the LS) are organising this event and are making it happen. They are paying the price of leadership. Those who pay the price of leadership have the privilege of leadership. That being the authourity to make decisions.
It’s time to lead, follow or get the hell out of the way. Movements on the right have been hampered for decades from infighting often on such minor points. It is past time to break that self-destructive cycle. Don’t make the perfect the enemy of the good.
Anyone else hoping and rooting for “al qaeda” to hit US Imperial Death Star bases abroad?
I share similar sentiments as Red Phillips did above. I believe that there should at least be a couple flags displayed during the demonstrations that bear the Confederate Battle Flag emblem. Being that the demonstrations will take place in Georgia, my personal preference would be the 1956 Georgia State Flag. The media and onlookers would immediately make the connection between us and the message that we are trying to convey. Since the demonstrations will be held in a rural part of Georgia, I believe that having a well recognizable Flag will be even more important.. I believe that doing away with all of the most beloved symbols of Dixie during a public gathering will only lead to confusion amongst the audience. Since I am not the one organizing these events, I will respectfully submit to the wishes of the those doing the legwork here.
I don’t see what is so objectionable about the design of this flag either.
I don’t either. But we’re still left with the problem of no one knowing what it is. And we’re also left with the problem of it being used instead of, rather in addition to, the Confederate flag.
“Kick it up a notch, at least shave before the next rally.”
Yeah, that Colonel Sanders look doesn’t really translate to “trustworthy.” I’m fairly sure there is research confirming that facial hair detracts from confidence in the sales/business world. If I’m remembering correctly, then it might be a good idea to take on board something that “the professionals” – people very much concerned with what “works” when it comes to influencing money-flows in their direction – have learned about what makes people tick. This may mean surrendering some of one’s “individuality,” but then it becomes a question of priorities.
I high number of “cryptkeepers” are actually just trolls.
For instance, “Traditioanlists” who live in New York City (I won’t call out names).
*A high
(spelling correction, feel free to edit out if you want)
I agree entirely. I rather like the Confederate flag for the same reason I like the swastika – not because I espouse either National Socialism or the lost Cotton Reich – but because both are a way of saying “Up Yours!” to an utterly corrupt, treasonous, anti-white political establishment. I rather like catchy slogans. I think “Truth Heil!” is rather catchy – and sure to make our opponents foam at the mouth.
@john thames
Like you, the anti-White establishment love the Swastika and anything associated with it. All they have to do, is show pictures of Hollywood Nazis strutting around and they raise millions of dollars, from terrified old Jewish ladies.
I understand the SPLC has a quarter billion dollars in the bank thanks to the Swastika people. They are the best little fund raisers the SPLC have.
“It’s time to lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.”
Harold, this seemingly new “my way or the highway” attitude that I see emerging is one of the problems I have with this new paradigm (which is more than just the flag issue). This is a sociopolitical movement. It is not a cult. The shouting down of dissent is a dangerous precedent.
What Harold says is fair. They are putting boots on the ground and they have no reason to listen to arm chair generals.