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AnalogMan writes:
“Some years back, Matt Parrott was a prominent feature on this blog, and he tried the street demo type activism. He eventually concluded it was a waste of time. Why do you think it will be any more profitable for you/us now?”
I can’t speak for Matt Parrott, but he has been doing a lot of street activism lately with Trad Youth, so I assume he has changed his mind.
In my experience, street activism is valuable for the following reasons:
1.) First, it is simply unhealthy to spend too much of your time interacting with anonymous people on the internet. It’s a poisonous environment that typically brings out the worst in people and it will wear you down and sour your attitude toward the movement over time.
Whenever we get together in the real world for a demonstration, it always lifts our spirits. I’ve seen lots of people feed off the positive energy of other people and come away from our events with a new outlook. It’s exactly the opposite on the internet where long term exposure to all the negative energy on here tends to make people, especially women, more alienated or cynical over time.
2.) Second, we can’t control who is representing us in public, or what buffoon or cartoon character the media will choose to be our spokesperson, so unless we get out there ourselves, we will remain marginalized by the prevailing stereotypes.
By holding these street demonstrations, we are creating a social media trail that gives us some degree of power to define our own image – photos, videos, articles, etc. – which allow people who sympathize with our message, but who are currently inactive, to see who we are and what we are about.
3.) Third, I have already said that the anonymous relationships which are formed on the internet tend to be extremely fragile. The internet is a troll’s paradise, a place where misunderstandings thrive, and one of the major consequences of this is that there isn’t much social capital in internet based movements.
By holding street demonstrations, we are giving our people a chance to do something constructive together on a regular basis. This allows people to get to know each other a lot better. It creates trust and solidarity and strengthens our group which makes it more attractive to people who are interested in joining it.
4.) Fourth, there are strong taboos in our society against being explicitly pro-White and pro-Southern in public. It is necessary to challenge those taboos.
By challenging those taboos on a regular basis, we are showing people that the consequences of doing so have been wildly exaggerated by internet groupthink. There are lots of people who are inclined to joining a pro-White and pro-Southern organization, but they fear that exposure by, say, the SPLC or ADL, will cause them to lose their friends, family, and jobs.
In reality, the response to our message in public is generally positive. The average Southerner shares many of our concerns about immigration and the federal government. And besides, with the US economy is going downhill, young people don’t have much of an economic future in America anyway.
Challenging the taboos weakens them and makes it easier for people who less bold than we are to step forward and join us. It also allows the people who are challenging the taboos to get over their own fears.
5.) Fifth, the opposition doesn’t care what you are saying on the internet, so long as you keep it bottled up on the internet and it absorbs all of your time. When you take it off the internet though, that’s when the knives come out.
If all you are doing is reading books and essays, listening to podcasts, posting on internet forums, “sharing ideas” and maybe attending an annual conference, you aren’t doing anything more than threatening to the system than you would be if you spent all your time playing video games on PlayStation 3.
“Education” is invaluable, but it has to be translated into action. Specifically, it has to be translated into the components of power – money, influence, and organization – which can then be used to offset and challenge the power of other groups.
You don’t need a PhD in Greek philosophy to stand up for yourself. If you are standing up for yourself though, it becomes real and it sends a signal to others which is perceived as a greater threat than 1 million posts on a vBulletin forum.
6.) Finally, it is discouraging when you have a demonstration and 6 people show up, but you have to remember that bad habits are difficult to break.
Since the late 1990s, the internet has absorbed the movement. From an organizational standpoint, it has weakened it across the board. We have successfully spread our ideas to more people than we could have dreamed of twenty years ago, but we have grown much weaker on the ground, and less powerful as a consequence, than we were before the rise of the internet.
In the the South, we are going to continue to press on with our demonstrations because we are accomplishing what we set out to do. As we move from state to state, we are drawing new people into the fold. We are using the internet now as a communication tool to expand our real world network rather than as an end in itself.
The average age of League of the South members is plummeting. We are growing marginally stronger by the day. As more people change their habits and start acting on their beliefs, that will make a big difference over time. The challenge for us will be to have the patience and perseverance to see it through.
If I may share the analogy of the history of Christian revivals: They nearly all involved bold, unlicensed, often illegal, DIRECT CONTACT with unsaved or backslidden white people (such as street preaching, preaching at the entrance to the mines or factories, etc.) right where they live, and work, OUTSIDE the church buildings. If they had made application for legal permits, they would generally have been denied. They risked and generally suffered persecution, sometimes fatal, especially at the very beginnings. God-annointed street activism is NEVER a waste of time, nor is anointed internet activism a waste of time, nor anointed political party and Tea Party involvement. If God is with us, it matters not in the long term who is against us.
“First, it is simply unhealthy to spend too much of your time interacting with anonymous people on the internet. It’s a poisonous environment that typically brings out the worst in people and it will wear you down and sour your attitude toward the movement over time.”
Amen Brother! Amen! Somebody get this man a drink of his choice please.
@Hunter
You, and your friends are demonstrating that you have a serious work ethic, and a work ethic is what most of the people involved in “White” politics lack.
Good things will follow as you learn to plan & promote your events & ideas.
Its certainly not a waste of time if its
a) newsworthy and you make the national news
b) you make the cause look good and expose the anti-Whites for what they really are.
How is in person activism going to reduce the impact of internet embitterment in women? Perhaps white men won’t have the nerve to say the outrageous things to white women in person that they so cavalierly spew out from behind the safety of their keyboards.
Re: NY Yankees
It’s a very different atmosphere.
I was proud to be part of two, very solid successful protests with League of the South last year.
I encourage activists to get out there and try to have some fun. Use humor.
I’m contemplating g dressing up as Al Gore Leftists and protesting Global Warming in Chicago as the Temperature drops to -15.
“By challenging those taboos on a regular basis, we are showing people that the consequences of doing so have been wildly exaggerated by internet groupthink. There are lots of people who are inclined to joining a pro-White and pro-Southern organization, but they fear that exposure by, say, the SPLC or ADL, will cause them to lose their friends, family, and jobs.”
I think this is a valid concern. If that is not the case, then why not? The SPLC and ADL are both notorious for vicious and aggressive character assassinations. If someone is a roofer, an SPLC registration may not be a very important issue. If they are police, it’s a different matter. I think it is in the long-term interest of LoS to be protective of their supporters’ positions, especially, if they are influential, they are at one and the same time vulnerable to political attack. If you have supporters in such positions, in the long run they will be more valuable to you by staying in those positions than they will be by making lightning rods of themselves.
But certainly inviting dialog on the matter.
I think most white people are tired of white guilt and know the present systems are anti white but are generally afraid to talk about it outside there close group of friends. Seeing people stand up publicly gives them courage to maybe say something themselves. My opinion anyway.
3.) Third, I have already said that the anonymous relationships which are formed on the internet tend to be extremely fragile.
I asked where you were staying when you were in Chicago (to see if it would be an easy meet for lunch or coffee) because I I didn’t want to take two trains and a bus if out by O’Hare.
No response.
rjp,
Are you referring to Jack? I’ve never been to Chicago. I would like to visit sometime though.
Street activism? No. It’s an idea from the 60’s whose time has come and gone.
What works? Look up Steve Sailer’s articles on the Gulen cult operating within the US.
*That’s* how it’s done.
Gayle, I just looked it up, if this is what you meant: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-economics-of-gulen-cults-american.html
I agree that travelling back and forth around the country to stage street demonstrations AS SUCH is somewhat ‘dated’ (Tea Partiers have been doing it for years) and not nearly as cheap and lastingly effective as below-the-radar, ethnically- , religiously- and locally-based economic NETWORKING. But street rallies COULD bring certain people together who might not otherwise meet, possibly leading to the start of such networking.
But note that the Gulen network is very narrowly ethnically and religiously defined , like the Amish network, and other successful networks. It would be difficult to build a network out of cosmopolitan whites of mixed ethnicity, belonging to conflicting faiths or no faith at all. Networking should begin, like charity, at home, among long-time friends and close blood relations, and spread naturally through the veins of the wider ethnic and religious community.
Hunter
Thanks for your response, and thanks too to the commenters above.
That was a good article. Just a couple of points.
That video is a few years old. Is Matt Parrot doing anything currently on the activism front? How’s it working? His Hoosiernation site seems to be defunct. I seldom see anything by or about him, just occasionally on countercurrents. I don’t check there often, maybe I’m missing him.
Gayle, I did as you suggested. That’s obviously a very good strategy that has worked for Jews, Mormons, Freemasons and even Afrikaners (see Afrikaner Broederbond). But it’s a strategy that can only be implemented by an existing group of people pursuing their group interests. Our people are too atomised. They all consider themselves members of other, competing groups that trump their racial solidarity. Catholics, Baptists, Republicans, Democrats; they’d all rather stand with their fellow-members of those groups against any generic White man.
Maybe we need to take a tip from L Ron Hubbard and start a new religion. That seems to be easier than to start a racial advocacy group.
Sorry, stupid question. I should have checked your link first.
@Gayle
From what is said about the Gülen cult here, they are worthless parasites.
http://takimag.com/article/the_shadowy_imam_of_the_poconos_steve_sailer
People like that are the reason why the third world is third world. I don’t see how emulating them would get Whites out of this mess.
Yes, it was Jack Ryan, I apologize Hunter.
Isn’t the trick trying to get wide spread attention, even from a hostile MSM? Those folks putting up “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White” signs and banners seem to be doing just that, no?
Golden Dawn showed that in addition to protests other forms of “real-world” activism can be effective too. Helping people in need is a form of activism. Going into distressed communities and helping white Southerners only would probably foster goodwill and garner attention at the same time. It might be a good idea to study Golden Dawn, Hamas and Hezbollah’s approach social activism.
Re: Steve Sailer
Christian white networking, and street activism, are superiour to all other ethnic networks that are based on materialism and other false foundations. ‘They shall know we are Christians by our love….’
The love letters are great but the consummation is extraordinary. Nothing beats physical interaction with like-minded people.
@… Our people are too atomised. They all consider themselves members of other, competing groups that trump their racial solidarity. Catholics, Baptists, Republicans, Democrats; they’d all rather stand with their fellow-members of those groups…
that does seem more the battle, really—– why “wn” (dumbing down to some amorphous “white” mass) seems less viable than ‘coalitions’ The most Generational populations (replacement by the “immigrant nation”) left them with no solid “identity,” as they can never really be “immigrants,” (there was no “nation” when they arrived). At the same time, white immigrant populations do not want the wasp ethnic group to be revived (they got a lot of power by knocking them out). So, they seem caught between a rock and hard place—- let the wasps be wasps (a group as such) you are instantly restored a big white group, but then you can’t continue to rule over them (provide their media, change their churches, demographically overwhelm areas where they have lived for centuries like in south florida, central nc, nova, etc., so their culture cannot thrive).
But unless that’s what happens, the memes of the “immigrant nation” will just continue, as well as latinization, (the increased offering of latin foodstuffs in the centralized “strip malls,” the change of language, etc.)
Street activism is NOT a waste of time. Think of all the white people seeing those signs, that up to now, wouldn’t speak up, or wouldn’t even ALLOW THEMSELVES TO THING ABOUT IT.
Well, they’re thinking about it now.
Lew said: “Golden Dawn showed that in addition to protests other forms of “real-world” activism can be effective too. Helping people in need is a form of activism. Going into distressed communities and helping white Southerners only would probably foster goodwill and garner attention at the same time. It might be a good idea to study Golden Dawn, Hamas and Hezbollah’s approach social activism.”
This is definitely pointing in the right direction, but take it further. Don’t just help people in need, help people. Start or support schools, churches, organized recreational activities. Help people find jobs, help people who have jobs find better jobs, promote businesses.
AnalogMan said: “Maybe we need to take a tip from L Ron Hubbard and start a new religion.”
Not kidding, think about it. The white race has experienced no greater treachery than that perpetrated by mainstream Protestant religion (Roman Catholicism too obvious to even discuss). There has been no greater source of white guilt, white capitulation, or feeble-minded white obligation than your friendly family house of faith. (Enabling marginal humanity to multiply like rodents is how comfortable people should wash their hands.) Maybe you don’t need to start a new religion, just do a major reset on the one that you have. Start with John Weaver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_TOm2CZ-dE
“the memes of the “immigrant nation” will just continue”
Good! The best cars America ever produced were the creations of Frederick and August Duesenberg.
http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/01/Duesenberg-J135.jpg
Lew: the idea of doing concrete, positive things for people is a good and worthwhile one. Be aware however that charitable endeavors are rarely so well publicised as street theater. The Freemasons, Shriners, Knights of Columbus, Optimist Club, and all of your local neighborhood churches, do charitable work of many different kinds, and only rarely do you hear of the things they each do. It builds goodwill but only slowly, over time. Again, this is not a criticism nor rejection of the idea, just a cautionary word that such efforts will not bear fruit early.
The article counter poses ‘street activism’ against ‘internet activism’. It makes great points about the virtues of street activism, especially counterpoised against internet activists.
However:
Are there not other options? What about cultivating friendly relationships with actual political candidates and/or officeholders? Supporting the campaigns of the same, and/or supporting or proposing specific local ordinances, or state or federal bills? What other forms of activism are desirable and/or possible?
Very good analysis of the reasons for taking it to the streets. Let me add one more thing, based on experience: the left can dish it out, but they can not take it. When challenged, they go into panic mode. This is especially so in their strongholds, like liberal campuses. Any crack in their ideological stranglehold, and they go into panic mode. Of course, the problem is not simply the left, but a much wider range of groups, including (as you observe) much of mainstream conservatism.
There are many books on how to organize street demonstrations. Granted, they may be from the pre-Information Age. But they have many valid principles. I’ve seen you do some brilliant historical analytical articles. Be interesting to see you take a new look at (say) Alinski’s “Rules for Radicals,” or the CIA PSYOP manual from the 1980s (which got smeared as an “assassination” manual–which it was not!).
See which lessons can be learned, and applied in future struggles.
We’ve been bad at starting new religions. We’ve been bad at lots of things.
The bottom line is that if we’re not serious enough about our political positions to publicly proclaim them, then we have no credible case for encouraging others to publicly proclaim them. The top line is that the street activism is a serviceable prelude to a long evening of fellowship and networking.
Pertaining to the impression that I spoke against street action, what I spoke against was political action without an overarching metapolitical vision. Merely being a “White Advocate” is futile, in my opinion, and must be coupled with a larger vision. There’s no “heritage” or “culture” left to preserve, and our political struggle for existence must necessarily be coupled to a metapolitical struggle to reconstruct an identity from the ruins.
In Plain English: I concluded that we must have both street shenanigans and intellectual faggotry, working together.
We don’t need to bother with all that. Western Rite Orthodox Nationalism contains all the metaphysical and metapolitical ingredients that a man sitting down to create a fake religion to serve our political purposes could ask for. To boot, it also happens to be directly linked with a rising power which could be compelled to assist us.
How am I the only one who gets that?
Matt, any WR Orthodox contacts , churches in the metro Chicago, Northern Indiana region? I’m pretty much burnt out on Latter Day Saints, lots of nice, good looking White families, but they are boring and aren’t helping me find a wife. Also they were AWOL on queer marriage equality , they’ve never fought the Communists/Marxists/the tribe. LDS are trying to live down their racist, Seperatist past and get accepted by Libs, Harvard and Yale.
These LDS are really boring of late, I received very good reviews for my church public speaking, no politics. Now they don ‘t let me speak. Others get up and go on and on about..
Nothing
For 20 -30 minutes.
Re: ‘any WR Orthodox contacts , churches in the metro Chicago, Northern Indiana region’:
I don’t know about your area, but elsewhere: Orthodoxy is returning to some Anglo and Celtic areas: http://journeytoorthodoxy.com/2011/09/13/to-be-free-or-not-to-be-welsh-christianity-at-the-crossroads/
jmf says:
January 6, 2014 at 2:21 am
“Help people find jobs, help people who have jobs find better jobs, promote businesses.”
Agree with this most of all.
You’ve got to give people more reason to join the cause, than social ostracism and unemployment, which is all they will get right now.
The League of the South should be ideally placed, to help build strong business relationships between Southerners.
Here’s an example of what the League could be doing:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/01/mailvox-fahrenheit-registry.html#comment-form
Rate businesses on how pro or anti-Southern they are. And if possible rate individuals so they are not hired by League supporters. Use White financial muscle, while we still have it.
‘Rate businesses’
The rating LIST is a very basic idea. Our local Tea Party knew enough to do that with local businesses long ago. Every time you shop, buy and sell you are really ‘voting’ in an ‘election’ to make things worse or to conserve what we have. Support your conservative local businesses, and don’t give ANY support to the corporate monsters (Walmart, franchise restaurants, etc.) that invade and destroy our communities, diluting and changing our culture, siphoning our funds out of the area to distant banks and more projects elsewhere, and hiring and bringing in strangers of every race and religion.
On the post topic of street activism:
At this recent Southern street preachers’ conference, a speaker shares his experience in religious STREET ACTIVISM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhdt-6MDYWU There are dozens of other videos on his channel showing how to draw a crowd ‘out of nowhere’ with ‘shock and awe’ tactics, and how to use angry vocal opponents, and how to handle opposition by police and private security personnel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HedhK7URhCY
Protection of our free speech exists to protect our speech that is OFFENSIVE to some, not to protect speech that is agreeable to everyone.
In the second link in my preceding comment, they attend a recent sodomite festival in Dallas. Negro opposition appears at 10:45. At around 28 minutes they begin to argue with police over the legal interpretation of ‘inciting speech’. Speech that is political or religious and does not include ‘fighting words’ does not meet the legal definition of ‘inciting speech’. Useful knowledge.
There is NO public free speech zone in AmeriKa that is free for any kind of ‘bigot’ speech — including Pennsylvania where all Christian ‘bigots’ must fight for the right to speak outside four walls they own or rent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsrfIz5eDgQ
Ditto for white ethnonationalist speech. There is no safe zone outside four walls you own or rent.