Sarah Posner has finally published her article on Alt-Right Christians:
“Back in August 2015, when Donald Trump’s presidential ambitions were widely considered a joke, Russell Moore was worried. A prominent leader of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation’s largest Protestant denomination, Moore knew that some of the faithful were falling for Trump, a philandering, biblically illiterate candidate from New York City whose lifestyle and views embodied everything the religious right professed to abhor. The month before, a Washington Post poll had found that Trump was already being backed by more white evangelicals than any other Republican candidate. …
Until now, the alt-right has presented itself largely as an irreligious movement; Spencer, its outsize figurehead, is an avowed atheist. But with Trump as president, the alt-right sees an opening for its own religious revival. “A new type of Alt Right Christian will become a force in the Religious Right,” Spencer tweeted on the morning after the election, “and we’re going to work with them.”
To alt-right Christians, Trump’s appeal isn’t based on the kind of social-issue litmus tests long favored by the religious right. According to Brad Griffin, a white supremacist activist in Alabama, “the average evangelical, not-too-religious Southerner who’s sort of a populist” was drawn to Trump primarily “because they like the attitude.” Besides, he adds, many on the Christian right don’t necessarily describe themselves as “evangelical” for theological reasons; it’s more “a tribal marker for a lot of these people.”
Before the election, Griffin worried that white evangelicals would find his “Southern nationalist” views problematic. But Trump’s decisive victory over Russell Moore reassured him. “It seems like evangelicals really didn’t follow Moore’s lead at all,” Griffin says. “All these pastors and whatnot went in there and said Trump’s a racist, a bigot, and a fascist and all this, and their followers didn’t listen to them.”
There is no way of knowing how many Americans consider themselves to be alt-right Christians—the term is so new, even those who agree with Spencer and Griffin probably wouldn’t use it to describe themselves. …
For alt-right Christians, Russell Moore is the embodiment of where the religious right went wrong—by refusing to openly embrace racism. Throughout his youth, Griffin says, he felt alienated by Christians like Moore who were intent on “condemning racism.” He was only drawn back into Christianity when he married the daughter of Gordon Baum, a far-right Lutheran leader who co-founded the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “a virulently racist group.” Griffin says he joined the CCC, as well as the white nationalist League of the South, because both groups embody the elements he views as integral to his faith: They are “pro-white, pro-Christian, pro-South.”
I was interviewed for this article several months ago. When it didn’t come out, I assumed the Narrative had moved on and the media had returned to its old pre-election strategy of “dynamic silence.” I knew Sarah Posner was working on an article about President Trump, the Alt-Right and Christianity, but I really had no idea where she was going with this.
Having read the article, I never said anything like the Religious Right is “a vehicle for white supremacy.” I certainly never said the Religious Right has “effectively become a subsidiary of the alt-right, yoked to Trump’s white nationalist agenda” or that it had returned to “its own origins” in segregation to “embrace its roots in racism.” I don’t believe the “alt-right supplied Trump with his agenda; the Christian right supplied him with his votes.” The Religious Right isn’t “now at the service of the alt-right.” This is Sarah Posner’s narrative. It doesn’t reflect our view of the subject.
In reality, President Trump is more of a dealmaker. He built a coalition that includes the Religious Right, the Alt-Right and mainstream conservatives. He has done a number of things like appoint Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court to satisfy that wing of his coalition. He has done other things like work with Congress to repeal Obamacare to satisfy the conservative wing. Finally, President Trump has done other things like issue executive orders on immigration to satisfy the Alt-Right and block the Trans-Pacific Partnership to satisfy all those Midwestern Democrats who voted twice for Barack Obama.
Aside from the Religious Right is subordinated to the Alt-Right narrative, which is just an attempt to drive a wedge in Trump’s coalition, I don’t have a problem with the rest of the article. It’s true that there are Alt-Right Christians. It’s true that President Trump strongly appealed to religiously moderate nationalist voters. It’s true that we despise Russell Moore. We’re glad that he was decisively repudiated by millions of evangelical voters. We’re glad that he nearly lost his job last week.
Here in the South, I have long said that our religious identity and racial identity haven’t historically been at odds. They were both pillars of our ethnic and cultural identity. Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, John C. Pemberton, Robert Lewis Dabney, and James Henley Thornwell were pious Christians. Evangelical Christianity, for example, was at the heart of the Lost Cause. While Russell Moore writes that “the cross and the Confederate flag cannot co-exist without one setting the other on fire,” the truth of the matter is that they coexisted just fine at the time and for generations before and afterwards. The Baptists, Methodists and Presbyterians even split along regional lines in the antebellum era because our religious identity was so interwoven with our sense of racial identity.
Perhaps fine distinctions like “Alt-Right” and “Religious Right” muddy our understanding of Trump’s electorate? The truth is that Trump’s Southern evangelical base is religious to somewhat religious while at the same time it is ethnocentric and culturally anxious about changing demographics. As I explained in the interview, maybe these people are just Southerners who have traditionally had a positive sense of racial and religious identity totally unlike what Russell Moore is offering them.
We spend so much of our time denying the smear that we are in “hate groups”..,,
I m honest in saying I hate Russell Moore and his kind.
These as& get published in the Jew York Times slandering the Andy Griffith TV show as the worst example of intolerance and hate .
I hate lying $@”@& like Russell Moore .
If I m ever in the same room with him . I ll whistle the Andy Griffith show theme song and then the fist fight is on .
Trump’s candidacy was not a joke in August 2015. He declared on June 16, and a month later, he was in the lead.
“Southern evangelical base is religious to somewhat religious while at the same time it is ethnocentric and culturally anxious about changing demographics.”
Most whites are both, and to an increasing extent in both categories.
In: Logos
Out: Self
In: Tribal Identity
Out: Christian globalist identity.
Clueless! (I’m writing to explain the religious right and evangelicals, not the white-nationals going forward, but the polarization is forcing the merger)
It wasn’t Bob Jones U – I remember at the time evangelicals were already cucked and didn’t mind it (because I was warning “what happens when gay marriage is legal”).
This was thousands of words just to call Christians “racists!”. Most aren’t except they are tired of being hectored constantly as being some kind of bigoted monsters on traditional values and the rule of law. The key thing that tipped the scales was gay marriage https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/07/the-supreme-court-oral-argument-that-cost-democrats-the-presidency/
The only difference I saw in Trump – and it was just over a year ago that I went full throttle for him – was that I expected him to actually do something. Not just talk, not cave, not compromise, not give the left everything now and hope to get something later. The way I put it was that Trump was 60% conservative but would get 90% through. A Paul or Cruz might be 90% conservative but get 20% through. I’ve been proven correct. (Dubya started with all three branches, but managed not to accomplish anything and he tried to say Harriet Meyers would make a good Justice, but considering Roberts…).
The conservative Christians had a simple problem with the rest of the field. They voted since Reagan, and although a few things were slowed in the early 1980’s, we remember Sandra Day O’Connor and Casey. Then it was “vote for us” and they cucked. Every. Single. Time.
It is why it came down to Trump v.s. Cruz, who at least seemed sincere, but I remember posting I have no reason to believe him unless I started to hear some hellfire and brimstone promises like Trump. I listed several, basically Trump’s Gettysburg list of promises and his list of Nominees with Gorsuch, but Cruz chose to stay abstract and talk about muh Constitution.
After the convention, with Bannon, it was full speed ahead, and the impression is Trump said what he meant, and meant what he said, even in a blue-collar way. No fine and fancy words. Drain the Swamp. Build the Wall.
The good things for the ethno-nationalists is articles like this cause people to shrug. If you don’t want unvetted people from terrorist areas here, you’re islamaphobic. If you don’t like Black Lives Matter chanting “pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon”, you’re a racist. Same if you think people here illegally should be sent back. Since the left seems to see no difference between Richard Spencer and Trump, Trump’s supporters are wondering what they are being accused of.
Outside of the south, particularly in the west, a lot of Hispanics are conservative Christians too, and even blacks. California’s Prop 8 against Gay Marriage passed by 57%! If the only way Christians are NOT going to be persecuted by the Feds, is to align with the alt-right, which isn’t heretical even if you don’t find anti-miscegany unbiblical, they will do so. They aren’t going to do 6 figure fines for not wanting to associate (participate in gay weddings), and at this point if it means going back to racial separation in order not be forced to provide gay marriages and abortion, the choice is clear.
The Alt-Right in the South will and is working. The Judeo-Christian Church is badly damaged among the youth. It is time, and this will be difficult, to raise a Christian movement. It will take leaders who understand Christ’s words and put no one before Him, while at the same time not backing down on cultural issues.
The Catholic Church was infiltrated by the sodomites in the 60’s and the Protestant Church was infiltrated by race haters and Christ deniers in the 80’s forward.
Alt-South will, in the end, be this vehicle which changes the political/religious landscape in the Traditional South. Our youth will break the mental shackles of double-mindedness and dual loyalties. We will break free. This blog is the most powerful tool at the moment and it is succeeding.
HW, you should have known better than to allow yourself to be interviewed by a hook-nosed creature named (((Sarah Posner))).
Agreed, at a minimum you should have made your own recording of the interview with (((Posner)))
It’s a damned shame that archcuck Russell Moore wasn’t fired by the SBC last week. But I’m done with the SBC in any case. Southerners need to walk away from it too.
Posner-that’s a Jewish name, right? There you are.
Now…as to Christians- Hilaire Belloc, a Roman Catholic writer of the 1900s, ( back when being a Roman Catholic meant something… unlike today) said as clearly as anyone could -even in this day and age -what it means to be a Christian, when he wrote:
“Europe is the Faith: the Faith, Europe.”
True Christianity – patristic, orthodox, “Catholic with a small ‘c'” Christianity, cannot be Christianity…and not be white and European.
That is the reason why Rome is a heresy now, under Bergoglio-because it, in the 1960s, embraced Jewish Marxist universalism, instead of Christianity, under the umbrella of Vatican II.
St Robert Bellarmine and other Catholic church fathers always taught that the antichrist would be a Jew. Even before the orthodox schism.
That’s fascinating, because Bellarmine-who is actually a very good Catholic-lived eight centuries AFTER the people I’m talking about.
Don’t try and pretend that Rome is guiltless!
Rome was the first Protestant. End of story.
Why interview?
Apart from abortion on demand the Religious Right is completely on board with every anti-White policy that’s behind our Genocide. In addition, many in RR are completely on board for endless wars for Israel. Alt Right Christians need to leave this pseudo religious den of iniquity once and for all.
Not this religious right Christian, and I absolutely agree with what you just posted. I am in the process of putting together a true alt right Christian ministry. For now, if you want to check out an awesome Pastor who is exposing the endless wars of Israel backed by us power. Check out http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/ .
I know there is some Christian scolds here, but be honest organized Christianity is to a young white nothing more than a foot washing cult. I’ve seen it with my friends who belong to those scam outfits with each white person there trying to get over other whites as to who has to foot wash and who gets to direct other whites to footwash.
AltRight Christians have much potential in doing the best for America and Christianity. The Christian Conservatives have been “Moderate” or even Liberal in fighting the Culture War. One of the reasons is because of a lack of understand about our Culture and Heritage as Christians and European Americans. The Christian Faith has been in decline for years and most Church denominations are Liberal. AltRight Christians can change the course of history for Christianity and make it powerful here in America and the World. WPWW !
This is all about “Two Corinthians” isn’t it? The canard that evangelical Christian voters were learned scholars whose ears would catch fire over Trump saying “Two Corinthians” instead of “Second Corinthians.” Or something like that; I doubt theres 1 in 10 evangelical Christians who noticed a difference and if they did, it wasn’t a reason to believe Trump was deceiving them.
Pastor Robert Jeffries was on quite a few Fox News shows and I thought he made the best point: Christian voters were going for Trump not because they thought he represented them but because he communicated that he didn’t hate them.