The Angry American

There is a major disconnect between our perspectives.

Tony Martel is extremely angry because he believes there is a global conspiracy to destroy the economy which is having a personal impact on his life, the virus is “just the flu” and is being wildly exaggerated by public health experts and because other people in the Dissident Right don’t share his hyper emotional and irrational response to the coronavirus which is based on partisanship, paranoia and rejection of science. In his words, we are all “cowards” for not agreeing with Ramzpaul and Bill Mitchell.

In contrast, I have treated the coronavirus as a natural disaster since it was first brought to my attention in January, which I why I haven’t reacted emotionally to the virus. After SARS and MERS, there is nothing surprising that we are dealing with yet another coronavirus outbreak. Who could have ever seen it coming after H1N1, Ebola, Zika and bird flu? The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation which simulated such an outbreak last year? The federal government which simulated a pandemic which killed over 550,000 Americans last year? Public health experts have spent years warning Congress about the threat posed by a pandemic. Not only was this a known threat to the United States, it was known to be the only existential threat that was “capable of destroying America’s way of life.”

The coronavirus continues to be compared to the flu. Does anyone ever get this angry though about the flu? How about cancer or heart disease? How about thunderstorms? Fires? Tornados? Hurricanes? Floods? Earthquakes? Tsunamis? Blizzards? Volcanic explosions? We live in the natural world. Nature has always been capable of killing us and disrupting our lives. Grown ups understand this and deal with it. They don’t whine about how unfair it is that their home was destroyed by a tornado or a flood. Deadly viruses have been killing people and disrupting the economy throughout all of recorded history. It is staggeringly naive to believe that something like this would never happen in your life.

I don’t see the point in getting mad about a weather pattern, a tornado, a flood or a virus which is completely beyond my control. I just look at it, evaluate the threat and adapt accordingly. COVID-19 is a far greater threat than SARS because it is less fatal and transmitted through asymptomatic carriers which makes it highly infectious. It is a greater threat that H1N1 because it is much more lethal. Unlike the regular flu for which we have vaccines, it is something to be very concerned about and to avoid if possible. Only a fool would want to expose themselves or others to HIV, SARS, Ebola or COVID-19.

How do the conspiracy theorists explain all these other diseases? If public health officials are malicious and wanted people to die from all these other viruses for some inexplicable reason, why did they contain them and stop their spread? Do meteorologists create models to intentionally mislead people about tornadoes and hurricanes? Why have the globalists unleashed a lethal virus which has crashed the world economy and brought globalism to a halt? What do the wealthy have to gain from crashing the stock market? What do politicians have to gain by bungling their response to a public health crisis? Why are the world’s most prominent liberals closing their borders and shutting down their economies?

It is suggested here that there is some hidden agenda or plot at work although that is conveniently never spelled out because it is nothing but paranoia. The only explanation that makes any sense is that the situation is exactly as it appears and that our elites have been caught like a deer in the headlights and have failed to respond to the threat which is snowballing by the day. Politicians are having to make tough choices about how to respond to the virus which no one wants to make. There is nothing about the American response to the coronavirus that comes across as a secret plot. Donald Trump has spent two months dithering about whether or not the virus is “just the flu” and would go away in the spring.

The mainstream media didn’t want to talk about the coronavirus until late February when the situation in Italy became dire. In late January and early February, all the media wanted to talk about was Donald Trump’s impeachment. The coronavirus was dismissed as being less serious than the flu. The Democrats said at the time that racism and xenophobia were the real virus. Meanwhile, Donald Trump premised his entire case for reelection on the stock market and the economy only to preside over the biggest economic crash since the Great Depression. The idea that this is somehow all one big plot is laughable. We’re not taking our cues from the government or the media either. It is the government and the media which have caught up with us. They initially didn’t take the threat seriously.

It is the governors who are shutting down their states. One by one they are all being forced to make the same decision that the Chinese made when they locked down Wuhan in January and over half of their country in February. It is the same decision that has been made by Italy, Germany, Spain, France, the United Kingdom, Canada, Argentina, Venezuela, Iran, Honduras and so on. They can either order a shut down to stop the spread of the virus and save the health care system, OR, they can proceed as normal and allow infections and deaths to spiral and kill millions of people while destroying the health care system and crashing the economy anyway while it all plays out on television and social media.

Tony Martel doesn’t seem to agonize over this choice. If he was the governor of New York and was being briefed about the nature of this threat, he wouldn’t hesitate to nuke the health care system. He knows more about this virus than so-called “scientists.” Unlike Andrew Cuomo or Ron DeSantis, he would go on television and order the working class to get back to work. He would scold any doctor or nurse who was exposed to the disease and ended up dying from it as a consequence as a coward. He wouldn’t have any problem sleeping at night after making the call to allow people in his state to die.

I’m having difficulty processing and understanding all the contradictions in this tantrum as well as the previous one about Andrew Yang. After scolding us for supporting Andrew Yang who dropped out after New Hampshire, Donald Trump is being congratulated for sending every adult with a Social Security number a check for $1,200 in addition for signing into law the biggest bailout in American history. After dismissing the threat posed by the virus, New York City should have been quarantined. After ranting and raving about the economy and calling everyone cowards, Mardi Gras and Spring Break shouldn’t have taken place even though that would have had a devastating impact on tourism.

If Donald Trump had taken the virus as seriously as South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Japan or Taiwan in February, there would be no need for a lockdown. The virus wouldn’t have spiraled out of control because testing would have detected its spread and contact tracing and quarantines would have disrupted emerging clusters. Instead of taking the virus seriously, Donald Trump took the advice of people who said it was “just the flu” and that there was a false dichotomy between the economy and public health like Tony Martel, which was based on a toxic culture of ignorance, wishful thinking and conspiracy theories spread by crackpots. It never seems to have occurred to him why East Asia doesn’t have this problem.

There are three viruses here. The first is the coronavirus which emerged in China and is as deadly as advertised. The second is fear which is even more widespread. The third and by far the most lethal virus is liberalism which is why we have no defense against the previous two viruses. This is why the coronavirus has proven to be manageable in East Asia, but devastating in the West. Japan, for example, isn’t run by a moron like Donald Trump whose qualification to be president was being the host of a reality television show. In Tokyo, everyone is going about their business right now wearing a mask because Japan is a serious country. In the United States, the Surgeon General is a Trump affirmative action appointee who tells Americans not to wear masks. Is it any wonder America has been brought to its knees?

Look who is doing fine in this crisis and protecting both the economy and public health. It is places like Hong Kong where the government and the public listened to its public health experts like Dr. Gabriel Leung. The MAGA movement will go down in history as a disaster for nationalism and populism because it married both to classical liberalism, ignorance, grifting and a cult of personality. Those who are angry about the coronavirus lockdowns should look in the mirror. They will find their answers there.

Note: BTW, the “blackpillers” realized this years ago.

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  1. Hunter! Hunter! Check out my response to Outlander in the comment section of my last piece. It answers some of the these accusations.

    • Donald Trump was advised in February by conservatives that the virus was “just the flu” and would diminish in spring weather like influenza typically does. He was dumb enough to believe them too.

      • “Tony Martel” is the new “Jaye Ryan”. Whenever he posts something, he makes your site look childish and silly.

        • With all the good commenters on this site HW only lets his drinking buddies write the guest articles. Marcus Cicero was one of the very few guest writers good enough to take HW’s place. But he’s apparently been made to feel unwelcome here!

          • Marcus is just going through the wonders of having a child fighting through the “terrible threes” instead of terrible twos.

            And some of it is that it’s annoying arguing with MAGAtards and conservatives.

            These are arguably the dumbest people to have ever walked the earth – people who think a New York atheist with Jewish family is going to protect Christianity, or that grifting preachers have machines to zap the Coronavirus inside their churches.

            I’ve just honestly been taking a break until Trump is thrown out of office in November and the worst of the cult members disappear.

          • The worst of the cult members won’t disappear until we gas suburban Texas and cleanse all the neocon boomers.

        • Theo writes:

          “Tony Martel” is the new “Jaye Ryan”. Whenever he posts something, he makes your site look childish and silly.”

          I respond:

          This comment violates OD comment guidelines prohibiting ad hominem attacks , flame wars etc.

          If you disagree with any of Mr. Mattel’s arguments or any of mine, please present intelligent counter arguments . Just calling others names isn t productive.

          • Ah, my dear “Jaye”, if people want intelligent counter-arguments, they need to make intelligent arguments first. “Martel” has none. Prating about “muh liberties” and “muh economy” and “muh businesses”, like a belligerent drunkard in a quiet pub, he’s made this blog look like some unfunny parody of a neocon conspiracy website (and which, incidentally, reminded me of the ridiculous articles you used to post here, though your recent comments are somewhat sensible).

            And by the way, “Jaye”, I think HW is quite capable of moderating the comments under his own posts. You needn’t remind him of the rules he himself made.

      • @Brad Remember the asshole who claimed a fifth of Whiskey and honey cured the Coronavirus—he died didn’t he?

  2. It’s interesting. I find myself split between both camps.

    Or rather, I fully agree with HW about the seriousness of this pandemic and that it wasn’t “engineered” for a purpose — though, to be sure, the disease itself could well have been engineered in a lab, but I sooner believe that it was released due to lab carelessness than by nefarious design.

    There’s a good video here about the notoriously lax attitudes of . . . certain populations toward safety procedures in the lab:

    If its release was nefarious, then it was most likely by some lone nut at one of those labs rather than as a larger plot (as in the case of pilots who fly their passenger aircraft into mountains to take out themselves and their whole passenger contingent, because they’ve gone postal).

    On the other hand, all things considered, I think that Trump has done a reasonable job. “Not great, not terrible,” as the saying goes. Yes, he should have done more and done it earlier, but when it came down to it, he, of all people, DID put aside his concerns for the stock market and broke from the Bill Mitchell paradigm and DID encourage first a 15-day cessation of the usual activities, and then, when those 15 days were up, he did NOT instruct Americans to go back to work but extended it for 30 days.

    He listened to Tucker (who was right) rather than Lindsey Graham and Kushner and the like (who were wrong).

    Even some Democrat governors (the last people who would be inclined to give him any good press) have said that he’s been responsive to their concerns. It’s not his field, but he’s engaged in it as best as any layman could be expected to do — much to the frustration of the RamZ Pauls of the world.

    One can hardly expect Trump to have had Japan-like success in handling this crisis, because for that, one would need America to comprise a homogeneous, orderly, high-trust society like Japan, where an advisory to wear masks means the population WEARS MASKS, and don’t whine about personal liberty to wear whatever they darned well please.

    So actually, on balance, I’m pretty squarely in HW camp on this one. I only agree with Tony Martel that “Worse is NOT better” — because of course it’s not; but that argument really has no relevance here for either side.

    The virus is real, and the only sane thing to do is to fight it with the best available means. Right now that includes all of the self-isolation measures currently in place. More would be better.

    And better still would have been if the medical community had exhibited even more alacrity in adopting the hydroxychloroquine-compound treatment that Trump, to his credit, advocated early on, and which is yielding measurable dividends in attacking the virus.

    • The accelerationist position is to do nothing and let the virus run wild.

      In all that I have written about this, I have never once said it would lead to “the collapse.” I have criticized the foolishness and recklessness of people like Ramzpaul. Even in the worst case scenario, 1 million to 2 million people die from the virus and presumably more from other things because COVID-19 will overwhelm and destroy the health care system. The Spanish Flu wasn’t the end of the world. It was followed by the Roaring Twenties. Should we just write off a million people though?

      • Let the virus run its course, HW. No point in wasting trillions of dollars and living in a perpetual state of fear trying to stop something that, assuming it’s real, can’t be stopped anyway.

      • And I never accused you of using the word collapse. Just as I never said this whole thing was a conspiracy. I’ve consistently said the panic doesn’t match the actual numbers (which is constantly being lowered) in order to exploit it both big (Congress) and small (governors). Also, why would I be full of partisan anger when I believe this will help Trump? Shouldn’t I be full of partisan joy?

        I’ve consistently said members of the Dissident Right, not just you but everyone from Spencer to Sailer and the HBD crowd, are cowards not because you aren’t going out and kissing someone with the virus, but because you’ve all spun on a dime because of it. You all went on and on about Anarcho-Tyranny for years, but when the greatest act of it in decades is implemented you embrace it. You all went on and on about the opioid epidemic and other diseases of despair, but then don’t care about a possible epidemic crash that would make them worse. You went on and on about the white working class, but then don’t care that they’re all being forced out of their jobs. All because of a virus. How is that anything but cowardice?

        The smacking down of the worse is better is more for the Twitter-types and commenters (such as those here) who simultaneously say this will help bring the collapse while also saying doubters like me should be banned. But let’s be honest that many notables in this movement believe in it. Publicly knocking it down was long overdue.

        A million people are not going to die from this in America, Britain or anywhere in the West. The Imperial College model that originally had those apocalyptic predictions has massively scaled back the numbers. As of now it has killed less than 50,000 worldwide. It would be very surprising if it kills a million.

        Saying you stand with the scientists is amazing considering this movement has made a major point about the political corruption of science regarding evidence of race, gender, sexuality, and global temperatures. Now suddenly. the scientists are 100% honest and honorable. Which is funny as the WHO has shown itself to be bought and paid for by Beijing and all the original predictions have been lowered over and over again. It is astounding to watch. You all have turned on a dime because of this virus. What else can it be chalked up to but cowardice?

        Get a grip bro. The world isn’t ending.

        • Wow.

          I’ve turned on a dime because of the virus? Since when? Feel free to show me where I downplayed the virus and said it was just the flu only to reverse myself on it half a dozen times like Donald Trump.

          Where have I ever said that all of science is fake or corrupt because some subjects like race are politically charged and taboo? Where have I ever said things like viruses are not real or not to trust doctors? Where have I have ever said that epidemiology is quackery and to trust crackpot conspiracy theorists and libertatian economists instead with their medical predictions? If you can show me where I have ever said anything remotely like that, then I will concede the argument.

          Explain how you have concluded that because political correctness and social justice ideology have made some subjects toxic that all of science and medicine should be dismissed? You’ve jumped into a black hole that is even worse than media bias.

        • I don’t think you’re really addressing Hunter’s points. You’re probably posting more to save face than to defend your position at the moment. Well, you’re only human, so I can’t blame you for that, but maybe better to drop this than to dig yourself deeper into the hole you’re in.

          As of now it has killed less than 50,000 worldwide. It would be very surprising if it kills a million.

          Actually, it would be more surprising if it didn’t. The number of dead is primarily a function of the number infected. As of today, there about a million (officially) infected around the world. What would stop that number from growing to 100 million? It would only need to grow 5% daily — ie about the growth rate that the more successful countries have capped the spread at — for another 90 days. If it does, there’s your million dead. (And it wouldn’t just stop there anyway.)

          Now suddenly. the scientists are 100% honest and honorable.

          Their arguments on race and gender don’t hold water. Their arguments about epidemiology hold up much better. Someone whose politics you oppose is not necessarily wrong about everything, remember.

  3. I’ve been in a form of self-quarantine for over two weeks. Fuck it, that’s enough. I’m tired of being pressured to live in a constant state of fear. And I threw out that damn census form. ZOG isn’t going to get any more private information out of me until they do something about the 30 million illegal aliens in this country.

  4. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation which simulated such an outbreak last year? The federal government which simulated a pandemic which killed over 550,000 Americans last year?

    Good grief Hunter, and you think that was all a coincidence to what is happening today?!?

    Hunter – I assume you know about the repulsive Bill Gates Event 201, or is that just a “conspiracy theory” as well…?

    Are you also going to get the mandatory vaccine(s) that Billie-goy is advocating for???

    • I can’t speak for Hunter, but for my part, I will be first in line to get a vaccine for SARS-Covid-2. Just as I would be first in line to get a vaccine for measles, for TB, for cholera, and any other such disease, if I hadn’t thankfully gotten those as a kid. And if they ever come out with a vaccine against cancer, I’ll be first in line to get that too.

      Because I’m sane.

      Because those diseases all represent ugly, horrible, (and if preventable, pointless) ways to die. I wouldn’t want to inflict them on myself, and I certain wouldn’t want to be the one to give them to someone else to have them die of it.

  5. David Cole ( Dissident Right Taki Mag writer and sometime Jewish Holocaust Revisionist) has a great take on the whole Coronavirus horror:

    Shame the Chinese

    Cole doesn t go for weird conspiracy theories that the Communist Chinese created this Coronavirus plague in a lab to unleash on us/the West. Instead Cole argues this bird/bat flu virus is part of ingrained Chinese culture , wet markets . The worst strains of viruses have been coming out of China for many, many years and no one on our side either made them change these terrible practices or restricted immigration of Chinese students , tech workers . migrants to USA.

    Italy is getting decimated my Coronavirus because Northern Italy has lots of Chinese garment industry sweat shop workers who go back and forth to infected areas of China and Asia.

    Other successful Asian countries /societies like South Korea, Japan, Singapore , Taiwan moved quickly to contain this Coronavirus . None of these successful Asian countries /societies does what we do with open borders, globalism, outsourcing to China or allowing their cities to fall in to filthy homeless/alien pissing and pooping diseased horrors like San Fransisco , skid row LA, my Chicago .

    So my take on this whole Coronavirus plague, government over reach, lock down on remaining White Americans is very similar to my reaction to the Saudi Islamic extremists slaughtering us in our country on 9/11/01.

    Yeah the Muslim Saudi extremists slaughtered us . No, I wasn t surprised . I predicted it . I left New York City shortly before these same Islamic extremists bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. .

    Japan doesn t have any problems with Islamic terrorists slaughtering Japanese in Japan, or Chinese Kung Flu plagues because Japan has sensible immigration , work and student visa policies . So should we. Japan doesn t let the Jews , Blackliesmatter , homo lesbians or any other aliens dominate the Japanese media. Japan is run well by practical Japanese nationalists .

    That makes sense to me.

    Ok so what do we do?

    I think it depends where u are.

    If u are in a still safe, white town or rural area I think you / we should get some fresh air and sunshine vitamin D – reopen local businesses in responsible ways . Self quarantine where fever and flu symptoms are real.

    But if you live in downstate Illinois , don t let our fat rich Hew boy governor J.B. Pritzker or Chicago Black Lesbian mayor Lock you down .

    And I definitely support anti Communist Chinese demos , maybe some mini Boxer Rebellions

    Send the US Navy in to Hong Kong harbor, declare Hong Kong and Taiwan autonomies from Communist China.

    J Ryan

  6. I mostly agree with Hunter, but I think there is something to be said about wariness of a wholesale economic shutdown. It seems to me that too many people blithely imagine that everyone can just sit at home and collect emergency “support” payments until this blows over. Well, for those payments to be actually able to buy anything, people need to go out and produce it. So there are clearly limits to just how much economic activity can be shut down before the cure becomes worse the ailment (ie people will start dying because of the shutdown). The hard part is, we’re all in uncharted territory here. It’s going to be mostly guesswork from here on out.

  7. RamzPaul and Tony don’t take the virus seriously, but this Chinese lady sure seems to:

    See how she puts her hands on every item in the display, and then she walks out of the store when someone challenges her.

    I saw similar at my supermarket about a month ago, where I noticed a Chinese man on two separate occassions systematically touching/squeezing all of the fruit in a display bin, and then he walked out of the store without buying anything.

    At the time I thought they were recent Asian immigrants just being dirty, because that is how they behave in their home countries, but after watching the above video it makes me wonder if there was more to it.

    I was listening to Horus the Avenger’s podcast last week and he said that unlike the West, there is no hard separation between military and business in China, so a Chinese businessman could be a general in their army and vice versa.

    Imagine the first shots of WW3 were already being fired, and our people were too wrapped up in their childish egos to even notice?

  8. One thing is certain – Pompous Prick Pompeo and his team of Israel First warmongers are trying to take advantage of this “pandemic” to start more trouble with Venezuela, Russia, Syria and Iran. How does that saying go? Never let a good something go to waste?

    • Spahn,

      I just wanted to catch up with you from a couple of threads back. I’m not posting here anymore, but I did want to let you know, it’s cool. I’m sure we would get along just fine, if we were to meet. But, just to let you know, I’m a Mirabeau Bonaparte Lamar man.

      Sam Houston was a drunken, pompous, self aggrandizing, opportunist, whose only goal was to become President of the United States. He merely saw Texas as a stepping stone for achieving that purpose. Sam’s first path to the Presidency was when he was Governor of Tennessee and a protege of Andrew Jackson. He married a woman and discovered on the honeymoon that she was in love with someone else. The nuptials had been politically motivated and arranged. The story is that he returned her to her father’s home that very night unsullied. Nevertheless, the scandal temporarily ruined his political career and he went to live with the Cherokee in the Indian Territory. He became chronically inebriated and married a squaw. Living among the Cherokee for two years, he was known to them as “The Raven” (which I’ve never known to be anything but a bad omen) and also as “Big Drunk.” He abandoned his Cherokee wife and became involved in the Texas Revolution.

      He refused to send troops to aid the defenders of the Alamo and permitted Fannin’s men to be slaughtered. Many accounts state that he was headed toward Louisiana with the Texas troops, following the runaway scrape, and the men under him balked at retreating further. It has been written that these men, prominently Lamar, actually decided to make their stand at San Jacinto, and that Houston had no other choice but to accede. It has also been asserted that at the beginning of the fight, Houston tried to form the soldiers into a line of battle and that Lamar urged the men forward. It has been speculated that had the Texians taken the time to neatly line up, the Mexican artillerymen would have able to load their pieces and decimate them. It is believed that Houston spared Santa Ana’s life because they were both Masons.

      Houston opposed Secession because he knew that it would end his dreams of becoming the U. S. President. However, his son, Sam Houston Jr. fought for the Confederacy and was seriously wounded at Shiloh. Houston wasn’t a traitor, just a politician. My Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather knew him personally. Houston had stayed in his home, but my Grandfather did not like him.

      Anyway, just wanted to clarify. Take care.

      • Your departure from this site is a loss to us all, sir. And thank you for the interesting story about SH.

        That scoundrel Bonicorso is to blame for all this!

  9. So, who’s wearing masks? Who’s GOT masks to wear? And where (general, not specific) do y’all live?
    Can anyone find masks for a REASONABLE cost, anywhere? Just asking.

    Watched ‘Nixon in China’ on the Met livestream last night… it seemed almost a premonition.
    And “Dialogues des Carmelites” two nights earlier…. the references to fear, terror, and the mob were visceral.

    “May you live in interesting times?” No, thank you. I’d prefer the scenario in Micah 4-

    “Then He will judge between many peoples and arbitrate for strong nations far and wide. Then they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will no longer take up the sword against nation, nor will they train anymore for war. And each man will sit under his own vine and under his own fig tree, with no one to frighten him. For the mouth of the LORD of Hosts has spoken. Though each of the peoples may walk in the name of his god, yet we will walk in the name of the LORD our God forever and ever…”

    DEATH TO THE JEW WORLD ORDER. It’s the only way to achieve that vision.

    • I was offered a mask to wear at work. It was well made and all that but it felt like I was walking around with a pair of panties on my face, something which simultaneously caused me to feel both arousal and embarrassment.

  10. Hey Trey

    This is J Ryan commenting from a Whiter part of Africa . (About as White as my former neighborhood in Chicago) .

    Why don t you make the most of this opportunity (never let a crisis go to waste)?

    Start organizing responsible rebellion to NY Gov. Cuomo’s state wide home confinement dictatorial order.

    In (Whiter) areas of upstate NY announce that those (White) people with health normal temperatures , not coughing or puking are free to go about, work , eat out. Restaurant workers will take extra precautions , soap clean like doctors etc.

    Make a big demo about it line the Randy Weaver family resisting the New World Order/Jew World Order.

    Have some fun out there like those in the Whiskey Rebellion

    J Ryan

  11. If you are under the age of say 60 and have no underlying health conditions, the economic effects are going to be worse than the virus itself. People that live outside of densely populated metro areas need to get some fresh air and reopen their small businesses. If social media companies can block content critical of the quarentine measures are they not coming for us next? After this is all said and done George W Bush is going to look like a libertarian.

  12. Yours is to me the most sensible take, and I’ve held almost the exact same view of the situation from the start given the data we have available. That said, I’m afraid we’re going to have to come to grips with the fact that this is a distinctly unmanly tack to adopt. Numbers are for women; refusing to expose yourself and others to deadly pathogens is cowardly; refusing to be a contrarian at all times is wimpy and effeminate. Let your wrist go limp with pride and accept what you are, HW.

  13. This is mass panic and hysteria, intentionally induced for reasons that are at least partly apparent if you open your eyes and ears. HW loves to trot out the cold numbers, I assume that somehow means math and “science” support his position. The fact is that 40% of the US cases are in NY and 50% are in NY & NJ; and nearly all of those are in the NYC metro area. For most of America, the probability of contracting the virus, let alone being severely impacted by it or dying from it, are minuscule compared to the risks we take every day just being alive and active. Shutting down the country and causing millions of working Americans to lose their livelihood is a panicked over reaction, both moronic in its rationale and criminal in its morality.

  14. Interesting view but there are problems.

    1) The infection curves are exponential. Remember the old story about the chessboard and the grains of rice? Or the lily pad that doubles every day?

    2) The world medical establishment is almost universally ‘hysterical’. It’s not possible that they are acting.

    3) The virus strikes primarily WHITE nations. Iceland has more infections than all of Sub-saharan Africa combined.

    4) The virus does not appear to come from China. For more, please see this article.

    Here’s a long quote:

    “…while Italy discovered its first two infections in Chinese tourists, these two were unrelated to the subsequent virus outbreak because the strain infecting Italy is different from that in China and in those two Chinese tourists. Italy, like almost all other countries, did not obtain its infection from China and indeed could not have done. The only country with Italy’s variety of the virus is the US, and thus the infection must have originated in America, not in China. Similarly, the locations near China – South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, even Taiwan Province, share an entirely different common strain. China had only a tiny pocket of that strain, and very far from Wuhan. These were not infected by China, either. I have dealt with this in an earlier article. …

    Let’s take a quick look at those two waves of infections that circled the globe.

    The First Wave simultaneously infected 25 nations or territories within a few days centered around January 25. …

    One month later. The Second Wave simultaneously infected 85 nations within a few days centered around February 25. …

    I make no claim to being a virologist, but this is beginning to look damned peculiar. A natural virus hasn’t the ability to simultaneously infect 85 different countries on all continents of the world, with outbreaks in multiple locations in each country – and to do it without the vehicle of a seafood market full of bats and bananas.

    More peculiar is that these countries were by no means all infected with the same variety of the virus, which means the simultaneous infections in these 85 countries were not from the same source. Even more peculiar is that most countries, at least the major ones, reported simultaneous outbreaks in multiple locations, and to date while some nations have been able to identify one or more of their ‘patients zero’, I am aware of no country that was able to definitively identify all their several ‘patients zero’. Considering the above information in light of the known basic facts of virus transmission, intuition suggests at least the possibility of there having been many people carrying a pail of live viruses.

    It is interesting to note that high fatality rates are entirely within Italy, Iran, and China. For approximate figures, China’s fatality rate is between 3% and 4%, that of Iran at about 7% and Italy the highest at around 9%. Even more interesting is that if these countries did pass their strain of the virus to other nations, those strains abandoned their lethality when they left home. Of the 34 countries supposedly infected by Italy, for example, all exhibit very low mortality, the same being true of Chinese or Iranian infections. The natural conclusion is that these viruses prefer their ‘home populations’ and pose at best a minor threat to others.”

  15. Real nationalists have always been survivalist types. We have always been the kind of people who would get accused of “exaggerating the threat” when something like this happened.

    These boomer-style fake nationalists are the opposite psychologically from the kind of people who have traditionally made up the “far right” in America. Their style of “conspiracy theory” is purely partisan, based on promoting the GOP over the Democrats. These partisan conspiracy theories assume that half of the establishment is good and telling the truth and the other half is ALWAYS lying. This leads to very silly and logic defying interpretations of events.

    I don’t think we can share spaces with these people on equal terms. They need their own spaces. I want to call attention to the lack this boomer tendency in the European nationalist movement. That is hugely significant. There is nothing nationalistic about pro-establishment conspiracy theories. We have to identify the racist boomers as what they are: People who have have become red pilled on race but who are still unduly influenced by the mainstream conservative infotainment media.

    Our movement can only reach it’s potential when we separate our message from FOX/Limbaugh style conservatism.

  16. So we would be better off if the Hildebeast would have won the election? And imagine her handling this issue.

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