We’ve had a second day of relatively lower deaths. It is still too early though to be a trend. It did this last week. Hopefully, it could be a sign that we are starting to climb down from the peak. We’ve also reached over a million confirmed cases. The United States now has a third of all confirmed coronavirus cases on the planet.
Here are the latest numbers:
The South: 4/27
MS: 6,094 cases, 229 deaths
AL: 6,539 cases, 228 deaths
SC: 5,613 cases, 177 deaths
GA: 24,225 cases, 994 deaths
TX: 25,516 cases, 672 deaths
FL: 32,138 cases, 1,088 deaths
LA: 27,068 cases, 1,740 deaths
AR: 3,069 cases, 51 deaths
KY: 4,146 cases, 213 deaths
OK: 3,280 cases, 197 deaths
WV: 1,063 cases, 36 deaths
VA: 13,535 cases, 458 deaths
MO: 7,239 cases, 300 deaths
NC: 9,415 cases, 336 deaths
TN: 9,918 cases, 184 deaths
U.S. cases:
3/1: 89
3/8: 564
3/9: 728
3/10: 1,000
3/11: 1,267
3/12: 1,645
3/13: 2,204
3/14: 2,826
3/15: 3,505
3/16: 4,466
3/17: 6,135
3/18: 8,760
3/19: 13,159
3/20: 18,563
3/21: 26,138
3/22: 33,276
3/23: 46,371
3/24: 55,041
3/25: 68,203
3/26: 85,873
3/27: 104,671
3/28: 123,578
3/29: 142,070
3/30: 164,248
3/31: 188,530
4/1: 215,003
4/2: 244,877
4/3: 277,161
4/4: 311,357
4/5: 336,673
4/6: 367,004
4/7: 400,355
4/8: 434,927
4/9: 468,566
4/10: 502,876
4/11: 532,879
4/12: 560,300
4/13: 586,941
4/14: 613,886
4/15: 644,089
4/16: 677,570
4/17: 709,735
4/18: 738,792
4/19: 763,832
4/20: 792,759
4/21: 818,744
4/22: 848,717
4/23: 880,204
4/24: 918,510
4/25: 960,651
4/26: 987,160
4/27: 1,010,356 <— YOU ARE HERE
U.S. deaths per day:
2/29: 1
3/2: 5
3/3: 3
3/4: 2
3/5: 1
3/6: 3
3/7: 4
3/8: 3
3/9: 4
3/10: 4
3/11: 8
3/12: 3
3/13: 8
3/14: 8
3/15: 11
3/16: 18
3/17: 23
3/18: 41
3/19: 57
3/20: 49
3/21: 46
3/22: 111
3/23: 140
3/24: 225
3/25: 247
3/26: 268
3/27: 411
3/28: 525
3/29: 363
3/30: 573
3/31: 912
4/1: 1,049
4/2: 968
4/3: 1,321
4/4: 1,331
4/5: 1,165
4/6: 1,255
4/7: 1,970
4/8: 1,940
4/9: 1,900
4/10: 2,035
4/11: 1,830
4/12: 1,528
4/13: 1,535
4/14: 2,407
4/15: 2,763
4/16: 2,174
4/17: 2,535
4/18: 1,867
4/19: 1,539
4/20: 1,939
4/21: 2,804
4/22: 2,341
4/23: 2,325
4/24: 1,942
4/25: 2,065
4/26: 1,157
4/27: 1,384 <— YOU ARE HERE
TOTAL: 56,797 dead
Yes, it’s moving right along. It’s really just getting started, as Hezbollah Secretary General Sayed Hassan Nasrallah says. Interesting viewpoint: https://thesaker.is/nasrallah-the-pandemic-is-here-to-stay-trump-is-the-worst-criminal-in-history/
Off topic a bit: Writing blog posts that contradict an establishment narrative is becoming extremely dangerous: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/04/27/craig-murray-indicted-blog-posts/#more-23702
You are not unlike Mark Potok with his charts that obsessively track the gradual decline of America’s white population, HW. Are you looking forward to the day when your grim predictions about millions of corona-related deaths comes to pass? How much corona vaccine stock have you purchased?
Of course.
Since I don’t believe in your conspiracy theories, then I must be a part of the conspiracy too.
I suppose it makes sense given that everyone on the planet from the Chinese Communist Party to North Korea to the Pope to the Queen of England to Vladimir Putin to Ecuador to nurses in hospitals to the coroner of Dougherty County, GA are also part of the conspiracy. I’m also covering up the TRUTH that the earth is flat.
If you have not seen it, The Epoch Times has created a documentary (54 min long, but worth it):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3U
A Russian general, former head of the GRU, states that the virus is a “global special operation” (11:15 long, subtitles)
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=NKOOA8R74K35
Isn’t the Epoch Times a CIA front, though?
Spahn – these days, I think everything is a CIA front.
If it is, I was not aware of that. The documentary is good anyway.
Correction on the other vid, the Russian officer was a Colonel, and you would be surprised who he mentions.
Hunter – it would be very easy to create a global pandemic – or pretty much anything else, if your mitts are on the levers of power . All those people you cited – you are offering red herrings. With the sole exception of Vladimir Putin – NONE of those people wields any real power. The Queen of Jewland is probably the least connected of that group. She probably has less real executive power than Mumblesmouth Coroner. The CCP – mmmm….yes – to a certain degree – but they still answer to the Ultimate Power- Jew Munny. If are willing to take a moment away from your OCD sperging on CoronoChan. I suggest you listen to FTN’S “Jews in China” podcast. A fascinating “deep dive” in the adventures of the Self Chosen in the Most Venerable an Ancient Land of the Bat Eaters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfoQu0C7mjo
The CCP answers to Sheeny Gelte, as well as every one else does. China has been doing so for a very, very, very, very, very long time. What with modern travel, communications, and the ability to make very nasty little cocktails, in (((well-funded laboratories))) – you can play a LOT of pranks around the world. The Queen of Jewland and Mumblesmouth don’t have any input into any of this.
“Hopefully”? Dunno, Hunter, you sound kinda disappointed that it’s not worse, what with all your foreboding “YOU ARE HERE”s and links to catastrophist commentators.
If I truly wanted the highest possible death toll, then I would be doing my best Ramzpaul impression. Instead, I just want to be done with this and for it to disappear from my area for it won’t be a threat to anyone in my family or community. Did you read anything else I posted today? I’ve celebrated Australia and New Zealand for squashing the virus. Aren’t you in Australia?
The only comforting thing about these right wing loons is that the left wing loons are just as dumb.
But the “Big money” that manipulates the “thinking” of both right and left wing loons is not dumb.
Both lock-down usury (bail-outs, price-gouging, etc.) and the premature re-opening that some beg for are serving “Their” interest.
Corona deniers:
“The ability to – in spite of full incompetency – create the facilities, roll out the tests, gather the masks and scare people into quarantining themselves all came together in a way that did not lead to hospitals being overwhelmed and 10 zillion deaths..I call HOAX!”
Watch the lockdown end and this thing mutate as the 1919 virus did, and we can start from the top all over again – but with “our people” kicking, screaming and ignoring social distancing in a way that makes everything we already went through null and void.
“Our people”
Woo hoo! Let’s go DANCING!I hope my favorite restaurant re-opens, and it not a casualty of this vile (((Cohenscam))). The bartender is wonderful!
Regardless of whether one accepts the official death toll as being caused directly and completely by this virus, it is still a legitimate debate to discuss whether the virus or the response to it by most of the West will be worse. If the goal was truly to stop the spread of the virus, we surely all can agree that the West handled it completely wrong by not stopping travel from people in hot zones until well after the virus had made its way across much of the globe.
It should also be acknowledged that the vast majority of “stay at home” orders leave such huge loopholes as to render much of them meaningless. Here in NC, construction, food services, grocery stores, and gas stations remain open. People are allowed to leave to get food, and EVERYONE congregates at grocery stores and Lowe’s to such an extent that it makes the closure of so many businesses virtually worthless. These stay at home orders are NOT quarantines, and they still allow spread of the virus.
We also need to note that the mortality rates shown are hugely inflated due to their calculations being based largely on confirmed cases versus deaths rather than projected actual infections versus deaths. The studies that exist in the US and other nations, while limited, suggest that the prevalence of cases goes WAY beyond those that are confirmed. If they calculated flu mortality rates based only on those who are sick enough to seek medical treatment and be tested versus those who died, the mortality rate would be outrageously higher.
I do believe the damage to the US and world economy is going to be far worse than most people would predict today, and this could have devastating consequences. Not to mention the precedent set by such strong removal of constitutional rights, many of which will continue to be infringed indefinitely.
Just as with the flu, the outrageous majority of deaths are coming from extremely vulnerable populations, namely the very elderly and those with bad pre-existing conditions. Taking all of this into account, I fall on the side of those who would lift all these stay at home and business closure orders. The longer this goes on, the more people’s behaviors will change in a negative way, as they accept a virtual end to their fundamental rights in addition to changing their economic behavior to such an extent that the economy will not recover even when/if all these orders are lifted.
To summarize, perhaps we can agree that many of us see terrible things coming down the road, whether due to the virus or the crushed economy. This crisis is not going to end well either way.
Sensible words all around, but they will be lost on our host, who is doing his penance for voting for Trump in 2016. He hates anyone who also did so, which is why he supports policies designed to destroy the economy. Pathetic but true, since he steadfastly refuses to support policies to mitigate the economic harm imposed on the 99% by the 1%. A hard heel turn, as they say in the wrestling business.
Correction:
It was people who didn’t care about public health because they were afraid of “spooking the markets” and upsetting the private equity and hedge fund billionaires who finance their campaigns who allowed this virus to come here, take root, spread throughout the country and kill tens of thousands of people. They assured themselves that it was going to “disappear like a miracle” in April. Then in March when mass testing began and it was discovered the virus already had spread everywhere and wasn’t going anywhere, THEY shutdown their states. 45 state governors locked down their states on their own schedule when their citizens started dying from the virus. Finally, people like you come here to this website and bitch and complain because YOUR GOVERNOR locked down your state TO CLEAN UP THEIR OWN MESS.
For the record, I don’t live in your state. I’m certainly not in a position of power either. I’m just another spectator who has watched this shitshow unfold – currently it is 13x more devastating than the Iraq War – and have reacted to it by sharing my thoughts on this blog.
I can tell you this much for sure though. Never again will I ever vote for or support any politician who sees this country as an economic zone because it was precisely that liberal mentality that brought about this public health disaster.
That’s the thing about the United States….it was an “economic zone” from the very beginning. It’s always been about the money.
Nicely put.
The damage to the economy was going to happen regardless of lockdowns or not. Indeed the economy was going to crash at some point even if there was no pandemic.
The pandemic certainly caused the crash earlier than it otherwise would have happened. People aren’t going back to the ballgame or crowded theaters any time soon.
The minute that virus hit the world the western economies were doomed. We either shut down our borders to keep it out collapsing international trade and the resulting commodities price collapse. Or we let it in as we did and it collapses public confidence and reduces consumer purchases, collapsing the economy.
All we can do is slow down the economic collapse at the price of more dead citizens. I could understand (not agree) a trade off of a thriving economy vs the deaths involved but such a trade off isn’t possible. Western economies operate with an unsustainable model and the pandemic has put the torch to it.
The damage being done to the economy is the result of decades of political and economic malfeasance on the part of both parties and the corporations and special interests that fill their pockets.
We have known this day was coming for a very long time and even so it’s a shock to see it arrive. Dysfunctional systems keep going for longer than you would imagine possible until suddenly they don’t.
The Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact stood strong in 1988 and two years later it was an ash heap. I don’t know if that is what we are facing. I don’t think the European Union will survive this.
Tinkering with the measures to deal with the pandemic may save lives but it won’t save the economy. That ship sailed decades ago.
You state what I’ve suspected all along. The virus panic is being used as a smoke screen–an out for the corporate raiders and their employees in government to not be blamed for the crash. I’m not saying the Corona virus is fake, or the flu, I’m saying it’s being USED as an excuse to cover a much deeper problem.
That’s the thing; as long as everyone is being suckered by CoronaScam – the Hebes and their minions get to blame the (((virus))). The SOONER Americans go outside, and survey the wreckage -the faster attention can be turned on the REAL culprits. Also people are really leanring to HATE the cops. ZOG’s Janissaries.
I am probably going to be pilloried for the words I write next (as though I give a flying Eff) – but the Old and Sickly are being used as a weapon to terrorize the VAST majority of the young, middle-aged, and HEALTHY into compliance and submission. ZOG and their minions are implementing HARD CORE Communism, and using the Old and Sick to do it. SCREW ‘EM. The aged have lived their lives and the sick are IRRELEVANT. They do NOT have the right to steal the lives, well-being, rights, and futures of EVERY ONE ELSE.
I think the (((Machers and their pathetic, craven ,greedy minions))) are concerned, shall we say, that when every one is out and about – people will realize how dangerous the Frankenbug is NOT – and things may get interesting….
There are only so many lifeboats available, madam. And there is only so much space available on those lifeboats. That’s something those soft, decadent Christians don’t understand. But I suspect most of those who are SNIVELING about being cruel to the old and infirm are secretly afraid they are the ones who won’t be allowed to get in those boats, because they are selfish and cowardly.
very good comment
Sharrukin, regarding whether the system can survive much longer:
For as long as the U.S. can make other countries pay for its wars, for their own occupation and looting. There seems to be no end in sight. Economist Michael Hudson explains in this interview on Moderate Rebels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paUgY6SGlgY&feature=emb_logo
Source: https://michael-hudson.com/2020/04/the-hard-fist-of-american-imperialism/
I hope the European Union does dissolve. It would be nice if something good came out of this.
Re: “EVERYONE congregates at grocery stores and Lowe’s to such an extent that it makes the closure of so many businesses virtually worthless. These stay at home orders are NOT quarantines, and they still allow spread of the virus”:
Yes, exactly. The “lock down” is very porous. Although schools are closed, the grocery and hardware stores are the main germ factories now. People are forced to get their own food and essentials, in this privatized, atomized so-called “nation.”
In the news today: The CDC finally gets around to informing that social distancing applies to pets. Cats are especially susceptible and transmit to each other, and presumably to humans. Dogs can be infected. What about other mammals?
Meat shortages and meat price inflation are upon us now. Thanks to the factory farming system, and for-profit global distribution. Years ago, backyard poultry, pig pens and rabbit hutches were common here, even in town, and now there are none at all in town. Nearly everyone is fed by Walmart and a few other grocery chains and restaurants.
Hey, anonymouse – wanna buy a bridge?
John Prine is featured above. Not just for his song, but also because he passed on from corona-chan. Did anyone else get that?
Yes, YouTube suggested the video earlier tonight. I thought it was a highly appropriate choice!
Hunter, did you cover the news that the discoverer of HIV, Luc Montagnier, he says the Coronavirus has HIV inserts and it must be a man made virus ?
We discussed it on Twitter.
In the video below pay attention to what follows the 14:30 mark, where Dr. Sona Pekova talks about “someone” having entered the virus’ “control room.” The video is Czech, so if you can’t tolerate the language hit the mute button and read:
This is why scientists suggest that race isn’t a useful concept. They are perfectly capable of genetic engineering that can create any characteristics they want now. Aerosolise HIV.
Isn’t there something about this whole thing that strikes you as odd, Mr. W.? Okay–well, take a look here …
https://www.wiscontext.org/flus-seasonal-curve-swelled-2017-18
My quick glance at the chart there, with the bell curve, gives me the impression it’s showing basically the chronology of the flu in the 2017-18 season, i.e., the season against which you keep measuring the current epidemic. I don’t know whether that chart’s showing deaths or what, but whatever it’s showing, a very-large portion of the cases lies within a twelve-week period, from week 50 of 2017 to week 10 of 2018.
Some 2018 headlines Andrew Anglin has presented at give the impression there were stories at that time about hospital overload because of the flu–but were meat plants being shut down etc.?
That’s the impression I’m getting from current headlines: This virus is SWEEPING THROUGH EVERYTHING. Meat plants are being shut down, aircraft carriers are being disabled, bodies are piling up in morgues, all you hear in New York City are ambulance sirens, etc.
You’ve been presenting these numbers over about a twelve-week period, and they don’t seem to be terribly different from the 2017-18 flu, even if we add the 20,000 or so regular flu deaths this season to the Covid deaths. Yes, the timing’s a bit different: Covid started in February or so, as opposed to November or December–but the death toll isn’t wildly different from what happened in 2017-18. Would it have been wildly different if there’d been no lockdown? Let’s say it would have been–but whether because of the lockdown or not, it hasn’t been. So–how come people are dropping like flies in the pork plants and our noble aircraft-carrier commanders are desperately trying to get their men out of sci-fi hot zones while the incompetent or maybe malevolent suit-wearers in Washington are ignoring their calls? The numbers you’re presenting are saying nasty virus; the headlines are saying Bruce Willis movie.
Maybe I’m missing something very basic. If you think you see what it is, please let me know
Apparently, you can’t read charts.
As of March 15, there were 65 confirmed deaths in the United States. As of April 27, there are 56,803 deaths. In the span of 44 days (a month and a half), over 56,000 people have died and about half of them died in just two states.
This is what previous flu seasons have looked like compared to coronavirus:
How many people died of the flu in Week 17 of the 2017-2018 flu season? All of 119 people. It was 153 people the week before that. It was 214 the week before that. 1,626 people died IN A WEEK at the peak of the 2017-2018 flu season. Nearly as many people died yesterday alone and we are almost at the beginning of May.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html
The flu has never killed 56,000 people in a month and a half in the spring. The flu peaks in the middle of winter and declines as the weather warms up in the spring. The weather has been milder than usual this year. Only 24,000 people actually died from the flu. Coronavirus skyrocketed when the flu is usually rapidly fading. We had 4 confirmed deaths from coronavirus on March 1. It will be time to compare coronavirus with the 2017-2018 flu season on March 1, 2021. The death toll we have now is simply confirmed deaths over a month and a half period, not an estimate based on pneumonia deaths, which is how the CDC arrived at the 61,000 number. This doesn’t include all the deaths which happened at home without a confirmed positive test which haven’t been included in the official count.
I won’t even get into how coronavirus is killing people by causing strokes, heart attacks and kidney damage. The flu doesn’t kill T cells. It doesn’t pulverize the air sacs in your lungs either which is why most people are dying from this. And yes, it has never disabled aircraft carriers or shutdown meat processing plants or forced all 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council (US, UK, France, Russia and China) into national lockdowns. That’s because SARS isn’t the flu!
I really don’t understand why these ghouls want to argue with you about this. None of them are walking through the ghetto asking a Chinese to hug them.
HW I raise my Whiskey glass to you, you summed thing up rather well!
China never had a national lockdown, Hunter. Only some cities and one province. After a month, they figured out lockdowns were of no use, and opened up.
China almost immediately locked down and quarantined Wuhan and Hubei province in late January which didn’t reopen until April. When that wasn’t sufficient to stop the spread, they locked down 700 million people in cities all over China and declared war on the virus. No, China never had a national lockdown because the virus was never allowed to spread to that point, but more people there were locked down in early February than had ever been the case here.
Well, not “almost immediately” as they waited 2 long months to do anything at all. During which 100 million people had passed through Wuhan, and millions from Wuhan had left, thousands of whom came to USA.
Then they panicked at the end of January as tens of thousands were dying, and imposed a lockdown on 2 cities in the one province. Later some other cities were locked down, but much of it was just a ban on leaving the city.
At any rate, there was no national lockdown, and it only lasted 2 months, February and March, by which time they had learned that the lockdowns had no effect at all, so they ended them.
The Chinese did nothing for 2 long months. But they were able to learn. They learned after 6 weeks that it was the Ventilators that were killing the tens of thousands of people. They stopped using them except in rare cases, and the mass death ended. Most of the dead, in China and here, should be categorized as medically caused, and not Covid.
They also were able to learn that the lockdowns were of no benefit whatsoever, except perhaps to better locate dissidents.
They were also able to learn several effective treatments, that ZOG still isn”t using.
So the Chinese dawdled, then panicked, but in the end got it right. China is now wide open for business, and has been for over a month now.
Over here the Jews who run the system are STILL murdering thousands of people with their Ventilators, all for that $39,000 payment from Trump.
As a side note, the Chinese convinced the batshit crazy President of the Phillipines to declare a lockdown on Metro Manila, and they are locked down now it is extended to May 15. They have destroyed the Filipino economy on purpose, and are looking for and will get a Chinese bailout. These lockdowns have ulterior motives.
My reply was late, but I was working all day. In fact I have worked constantly through this wu flu madness, even when I had it in late January, and I had it bad, real bad for a few days. But I never stopped working. We have a right to work. Don’t you think so?
Incidentally, America never had a national lockdown either. Iowa, Arkansas, Nebraska, and both Dakodas stayed sane and had no lockdown. It is deplorable that a state like Texas imposed communism on its people, but they did. Hopefully that worthless Governor will go to prison, but at any rate, five states stayed sane, and 45 imposed the communist lockdowns. State by State, not national.
In the time since I submitted my original post, Mr. W., right before I went to bed last night, I rethought it and am thus not surprised that you scorned it, though I haven’t examined your reply in detail.
Let me restate what I said, with two corrections:
1 — We’ll say you’ve been presenting the numbers for eight-and-a-half weeks, not twelve. When I was doing the arithmetic last night, I divided your sixty days of coverage by five, not seven, which is why I erroneously said twelve, not eight-and-a-half
2 — Let’s write off, say, the first five or five-and-a-half weeks, to, say, April 7. We’ll compare the remaining three weeks, from April 7 to April 28, with the twelve weeks that, from the chart I linked in my original post, were something like the heart of the 2017-18 contagion.
By that date, April 7, the initial acceleration of the spread had dropped off. To April 3, as I observed in a comment I posted here, at Occidental Dissent, right around that time, the daily death toll had been roughly doubling every four days. By April 7, which was the end of the next four-day interval, that was down to one-and-a-half; and at that point, it stalled. The daily deaths pretty much plateaued at that point, at around 2,100.
So–let’s say there had been no China story, no lockdown, no identification of a new virus, and that we’d seen these same numbers, which were being construed as seasonal influenza. What would you expect in the news?
You might see headlines like “Flu strikes hard,” or even a dramatic “Flu strikes with unprecedented ferocity.” At this point, you might expect some CDC figure to be quoted to the following effect:
“In just the last three weeks, deaths have averaged 2,000 a day. In just that period, we’ve had, in other words, 40,000 deaths, which is as many as we had in the twelve core weeks of the 2017-18 season, which was exceptionally high.”
But all the rest? Aircraft carrier disabled? Meat plants closing all across the country? Morgues overflowing? Ambulance sirens all hours of the day in Manhattan?
Maybe, yes, you think that that’s what we’d be hearing. Even with the arithmetic corrections, I’m not convinced that that’s what we’d be hearing. The raw number of deaths just doesn’t seem to support it.
Having now had a chance to take a better look at your reply to my original post, Mr. W., I’ll note your two following statements:
“1,626 people died IN A WEEK at the peak of the 2017-2018 flu season.”
“The death toll we have now [for COVID-19] is simply confirmed deaths over a month and a half period, not an estimate based on pneumonia deaths, which is how the CDC arrived at the 61,000 number.”
Okay–that information is certainly not insignificant. Let’s say the 2017-18 flu deaths for the twelve week period I’m construing as the heart of the contagion were–what? 5,000? 5,000 confirmed flu deaths at the peak of the contagion nearly overwhelmed hospitals and were only a small part of 61,000 deaths that, ultimately, were estimated for the season as a whole? Fine–I’m not challenging any numbers.
So–the headlines might read, if this were being construed as the flu, “Eight times the deaths in one-fourth the time.” (40,000 deaths in three weeks versus 5,000 in twelve weeks.)
That’s pretty dramatic–or at least, not undramatic. Does it explain the Bruce-Willis-type narrative? I don’t know.
Do you have any idea how many crewmen on that aircraft carrier got sick with COVID-19? How many persons in those meat plants? I personally don’t know, because the reporting on all that seems to me to be unclear and not worth a try at clarification. I don’t mean, not incidentally, how many persons tested positive for the virus. I mean how many got sick. Do you have any idea how those numbers compare to average aircraft-carrier or meat-plant sickness rates? I don’t know that either, but I would say it behooves you, as the party arguing the seriousness of this contagion, to provide some of those numbers.
If you’ll indulge me, Mr. W., I’d like to return to those two statements of yours, the ones I quoted in my previous post …
“1,626 people died IN A WEEK at the peak of the 2017-2018 flu season.”
“The death toll we have now [for COVID-19] is simply confirmed deaths over a month and a half period, not an estimate based on pneumonia deaths, which is how the CDC arrived at the 61,000 number.”
It’s not clear to me what you’re saying there, because the latter statement seems to contradict or, at least, undercut the former one.
There were ~1,600 weekly deaths, you say, at the 2017-18 peak. In taking a guess, on the basis of that, at the full tally for the heart of that flu season, I said, as you’ll remember, 5,000. Maybe it was more than that. Maybe it was ten or twelve thousand, you tell me.
What you seem to be adding, with that latter sentence, is that that number, whatever it was, was low, because deaths from pneumonia, at the time, were not recognized as flu deaths.
Okay, then what you’re saying is that your first statement, about the ~1,600 deaths per week, is inaccurate–or am I missing something? You’re saying that the seasonal tally–and I mean the heart of the season, where I’d guess a very-large number of the full-year deaths lie–is some multiple of whatever was tallied at the time. Maybe a large multiple. If there were 10,000 deaths in the heart of the season, then the multiple is six (for our total of ~60,000), so the~1,600 weekly deaths there, at the peak, are really more like ten thousand. If there were only 5,000 deaths there, in the heart of the season, then the multiple is twelve, for the reach to ~60,000, so the ~1,600 weekly deaths there, at the peak, are more like nineteen thousand. You seem to have said, in short, that the weekly tallies you’ve cited don’t mean anything, because they don’t add up to 60,000.
If I’m misunderstanding something there, please let me know what it is. If I’m not, then, please tell me whether there’s reason to think the Covid tally is similarly low, by a fairly-large multiple. I don’t mean the approximately one-and-a-half multiple that was mentioned in an article you linked about a week ago. If the one-and-half multiple you mentioned last week is the accurate multiple, then the current ~60,000 deaths go up to 90,000. Sure–there might be plenty deaths yet to come; but at the moment, if that one-and-a-half is the multiple, the difference between now and 2017-18 isn’t dramatic, even if you capitalize “IN A WEEK.”
I will have to get back to you.
It has taken me all day to listen and respond to half of this podcast.
Okay.
There’s a chance to actually drive out the other, exterminate and liquidate the left for a generation.
But then the hobby horse theories roll out.
Every fundamental asumption of the current social order can be challenged after this event. What was social is now anti social what was virtuous is now homicidally evil.
But then the hobby horses have to be rolled out.
We saw that the Colonial societies of Australia and New Zealand swatted away a catastrophe with simple racial hygiene.
The implication of their actions should not be lost on us.
Every one of the few liberal articles I’ve so far seen about this thing has suggested to me that the liberals think that what has happened here means the West needs more liberalism.
Yes, John – everyone projects their values onto the situation and gleens from it what it pleases them to glean!
I bet that does not surprise you…
You are correct, Ivan–no surprise.
Of course. They are mentally deficient and don’t know how to do anything other than double-down on their insanity.
Look at the opioid crisis. That’s the real problem. This glownigger psyops and the unemployment to follow is only going to make it worse.
Going out without a fight is the real tragedy. Wake up and give those semitic shitbags something to really cry about.
The Jews don’t care. In Brooklyn, New York City the city officials have had to use the police to disperse crowds of Jews.
Debate 10AM EST this morning between Andrew Anglin and Greg Johnson on whether it’s a hoax https://dlive.tv/Counter-Currents
The surreal part of this entire thing is that it’s opaque to me what the “flu truthers” are even trying to prove.
The facts: there’s a dangerous disease loose killing a lot of people in a short amount of time.
Their response: denial that the disease exists, frantic rage and vile accusations against anyone who calmly points out that it exists.
I have no idea what they’re trying to accomplish with this, why they’re in such a rage over it, or why they think that someone like Hunter is some kind of bogeyman for saying that it exists when he has zero control over anything outside his own house, like most of us mortals.
It’s like they’re in a vein-popping, rabid, screaming, babbling frenzy over pretty much nothing.
It’s so pointless and random that it’s baffling.
Is a bunch of Cass Sunstein wanlers trying to discredit racial awareness right at the moment that racists have been fully vindicated
Well said Ironsides. I’m baffled by this too.
I think sometimes when you invest yourself in an idea (government bad for instance) that when something like this comes along and the government is actually doing what it’s supposed to do for the most part, namely, protect the citizens, it’s hard to allow oneself to give credit to the same institutions that you have contempt for. As a recovering libertarian, I understand the sentiment.
We should be cautious about how much power the government has. I think that caution is warranted.
However I also think that government serves an important function. The Founders recognized this, that’s why they created a government with checks and balances, but they created a government nonetheless, not anarchy.
I don’t think the Founders would have much in common with these anti government types, I really don’t.
The most virulent “Flu-truthers” are middle-class rent-seekers dependent upon larger returns paid on speculative investments in the financial sector, property rentals, or small business. Speculative ventures come with increased risk and are the first to fall in a stressed/failing economy. Most speculative investments by the middle-class, especially its bottom half, are for subsistence. Small businessmen operating high cash flow businesses are dependent upon unclaimed, disposable cash for subsistence. With the economy going to hell in most sectors and with diminished cash flow for small business, it’s understandable that these people are worried. This is a bread and butter issue for them. The bottom line for “flu-truthers” comes down to “your life or mine.”
Another self-styled financial “expert” whose own finances are in complete disarray. Have another drink, Old (Unemployed) Tradesman. That’ll fix everything.
@Ironsides, SC REBEL, and Oldtradesman…
Something that largely accounts for widespread disbelief in the Wuhan Virus is a hangover from the abuse of The Press by The Press.
Given that The press has so seamlessly shifted back and forth from reporting to propaganda to hybrid blends of both, for so many decades, and the fact that a majority of folks have have quit The Mainstream Media to occupy their favourite blogs on The Internet, the situation was ripe for a country split over what is occurring.
After all, just look how the country has split over events of ‘The Russian Collusion Affair’. Many still believe Trump is a Russian Agent, and many others believe that the whole affair is a hoax perpetrated by factions in The United States’ Government.
Though no Convention of The States has taken place, and though no states have seceded, the fact of the matter is that the country has divided largely along the lines it had in the pre-modern media age 19th century.
The general unity of The United States, that was so prominent when much of us were younger, is now gone – it having been shattered into many pieces, by so many abuses – not just by the media but by a lawless government.
This Covid Affair, and how folks have fallen out over it, only reflects all hat.
Re: “China didn’t tell us soon enough”:
“Pompeo, the most dangerously dumb Sec State to serve in my lifetime, says: ‘The Chinese Communist Party will pay a price for what they did.’ Grandstanding dreamers in Congress intend to make China pay trillions of dollars in retribution. (Wait for it.) Missouri is suing China for “lying to the world.” (Wait for this, too.) From San Francisco, of all cities, we now read reports of white pedestrians spitting on Chinese Pindos at stoplights. Let us consider such events carefully, as we purport to be repelled. The Biden-for-president campaign spit on the Chinese last week in a much-remarked ad that G G Rupert or Hearst could have written. Settle in: Who out-xenophobes-who is now set as the defining issue in the 2020 election contests….”
Source: https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2020/04/28/yellow-peril-extravaganza/
Hey Brad,
Talk to me brother.
You re obsessing too much about daily Coronavirus deaths.
It s making OD depressing and boring .
OD ratings are going to go down .
I ve got some great, very funny cutting edge cartoons that reference current political events .
Just answer my e mail or texts and help me log in from the Southern Hemisphere .
J Ryan
Still locked down CR
@Ironsides,
Flu truthers are trying to prove that their Normalcy Bias is not actually Normalcy Bias.
“Normalcy bias, or normality bias, is a cognitive bias which leads people to disbelieve or minimize threat warnings. Consequently, individuals underestimate the likelihood of a disaster, when it might affect them, and its potential adverse effects.“
And:
https://medium.com/@thomasdolphin/surrounded-by-fire-hoping-for-the-best-e7f07fa9d9c6
Can you believe what’s going on with the a-holes who run France? It’s like all they can think about is getting back to Applebee’s …
https://www.ft.com/content/c03f61a9-2d16-47cc-8289-0c732a782dda
You selling subscriptions to the Financial Times, Bonoconti?
Got a new job in retirement selling papers?
I’d reached it through Google News and hadn’t seen the paywall when I posted the link.
At https://www.rt.com/news/487139-france-ending-coronavirus-lockdown-concerns/ is this:
‘We must learn to live with Covid-19’: French PM says lockdown easing over risk of economic collapse, ‘2nd wave’ still possible
France’s Prime Minister Edouard Philippe has announced that the country will begin to ease its lockdown on May 11, adding that the country has never before faced such a situation – even in wartime.
Speaking in parliament on Tuesday, Philippe said people will need to be cautious as the strict national lockdown ends to avoid setting off a second wave of infections which he said would “strike a weakened hospital fabric” and impose a “re-confinement” that would ruin progress made during the initial restriction period.
He said the country cannot be locked down for “too long” and that France had never experienced a situation that saw shops, schools, cafes, businesses and other public places closed.
The PM said the lockdown measures imposed to curb the spread of the virus helped save at least 62,000 lives in a month, according to one study, but keeping it in placed meant risking economic collapse. French people would now have to learn to live with the virus and take precautions to protect themselves, he added.
Philippe insisted that there would be enough protective masks available to meet the country’s needs after the lockdown ended.
While the plan now is to begin easing restrictions on May 11, the lockdown won’t be removed if the health indicators are bad, he added. It will depend on new cases of the infection dropping below 3,000 per day.
If the lockdown is lifted, it will be followed by a monitoring phase in place until June 2, Philippe said. Social distancing measures will still be in place after May 11, with gatherings of more than 10 people banned, indoors and outdoors.
Government forms which had been needed to explain the purpose of people’s trips outside will no longer be needed unless a person is traveling more than 100km.
Though the lockdown may be eased, Philippe said he would be tabling a bill to extend the state of emergency until July 23.
As part of continued precautions, shopkeepers will be allowed to demand that shoppers wear masks, and booking for train journeys will be compulsory to allow for social distancing. High school students will also be required to wear masks, while citizens over 65 will be encouraged to remain cautious when going out.
As of April 28, France has reported more than 166,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 with over 23,000 deaths due to the disease, making it one of the worst affected countries worldwide.
Yawn. I won’t be impressed by weak Gook Tea CoronoaChan until it takes out as many as the Grand Old Bubonic Plague. Pics or it’s NOT real.
Madam is right to be skeptical.