I’m enjoying writing about the abortion issue.
There are few issues which so exemplify the modernist vs. traditionalist divide. God and nature are on one side of the divide. The human will and its darkest impulses are on the other side of the divide.
Margaret Atwood is the author of The Handmaid’s Tale. She has a new article in The Guardian whining about how motherhood is literally slavery to the state rather than a blessing.
“Nobody likes abortion, even when safe and legal. It’s not what any woman would choose for a happy time on Saturday night. But nobody likes women bleeding to death on the bathroom floor from illegal abortions either. What to do?
Perhaps a different way of approaching the question would be to ask: What kind of country do you want to live in? One in which every individual is free to make decisions concerning his or her health and body, or one in which half the population is free and the other half is enslaved?
Women who cannot make their own decisions about whether or not to have babies are enslaved because the state claims ownership of their bodies and the right to dictate the use to which their bodies must be put. The only similar circumstance for men is conscription into an army. In both cases there is risk to the individual’s life, but an army conscript is at least provided with food, clothing, and lodging. Even criminals in prisons have a right to those things. If the state is mandating enforced childbirth, why should it not pay for prenatal care, for the birth itself, for postnatal care, and – for babies who are not sold off to richer families – for the cost of bringing up the child …
No one is forcing women to have abortions. No one either should force them to undergo childbirth. Enforce childbirth if you wish but at least call that enforcing by what it is. It is slavery: the claim to own and control another’s body, and to profit by that claim.”
What kind of country do you want to live in?
That’s an easy one. I want to live a country where liberalism and modernism and the tidal wave of cultural degeneration that this ideology and its accompanying aesthetic has unleashed has been rolled back. I want to live in a country that is based on organic bonds, not liberal abstractions. I want to live in a country where blood ties are meaningful, not meaningless. I want to live in a country that is at peace with nature and natural roles, not in a perpetual revolt against them. I want to live in a country where the Self has been knocked off its pedestal and a culture that is no longer sick and atomized, hedonistic and contemptuous and neglectful of future generations. I want to live in a country where women are unable to dispose of their offspring for selfish and frivolous lifestyle reasons. Humans are social beings who are born into society, not little atoms floating about each with no relation whatsoever to the others.
I’m sorry, but sexual dimorphism isn’t fair. Men and women are not biologically the same. The sexes are complementary. Human reproduction isn’t based on some absurd notion of equality. Motherhood isn’t slavery, but a natural biological process in our species. Society has a stake in the matter because its entire future is based on reproduction. The fact that men are unable to get pregnant is not a cosmic injustice. Women who kill their own offspring or who feel enslaved by pregnancy are mentally disturbed or indoctrinated in a sick anti-natalist culture. A pregnant woman is by definition not “autonomous,” but carrying the child of a man who she had sex with with which was in the vast majority of cases a “choice” she made. Human reproduction is not an “autonomous” act. It takes two to tango.
If you value your “autonomy” that much, the simple solution is not to have sex with a man that results in pregnancy. If you do, you should take responsibility for your own actions.
Am I “enslaved” by my obligations as a parent?
When exactly do men and women become obligated to care for their offspring? Is a negligent father who is forced by the courts to pay child support a slave of the state?
If mothers have a sovereign right to their own bodies and no responsibility to their offspring which is their own blood, why can’t mothers just abandon their children whenever the mood strikes? Shouldn’t a mother have a right to abandon and expose a six month old or abandon a six-year-old?
Parenthood begins at conception for both sexes. Parents have a natural and legal duty to care for their offspring which necessarily comes at the expense of self-indulgence and self-expression. Parenthood is not “slavery” for either sex. It is having a genetic stake in the next generation. The state is not “tyrannical” either for maintaining a norm based on natural roles and natural obligations and stepping in to ensure that parents care for their own children instead of dumping them on the rest of society.
The liberal modernist position is that blood ties are meaningless. Mothers do not have a natural duty to care for their children, but strangely only fathers do. Their supreme duty is to themselves. This principle extends to marriage which is a contract which can also be dissolved based on whims. It extends to weaker biological ties like race and ethnicity which are obviously meaningless. If you don’t have a duty to your own offspring, you certainly don’t have a duty to random strangers with similar surnames.
There shouldn’t be such a thing as a right to have your baby dismembered and thrown away in a dumpster in a bag of garbage because having a child might disrupt your lifestyle. It is also one of the most callous, evil things that goes on in this country. The fact that something like that has happened 63 million times explains a lot about why this country is cursed.
I’d prefer to live where this sort of thing doesn’t occur
https://nypost.com/2022/05/09/michigan-woman-ruby-taverner-sought-for-killing-her-boyfriend-brother/
Liberalism is just the same old lie told to Adam and Eve. “Ye shall be as gods!” We never learn. We are creatures, not gods. But, our attempts, have broken us. And the world.
“Women who cannot make their own decisions about whether or not to have babies are enslaved because the state claims ownership of their bodies and the right to dictate the use to which their bodies must be put.”
That’s bullshit on stilts. The women freely chooses the use to which her body will be put when she spreads her legs. The state forces her to do nothing.
In fact, a state ban on abortion has nothing to with a woman’s body at all, what it does is forbid the abortionist from selling his murderous services in exchange for shekels.
It’s no different than forbidding the heroin dealer to freely sell smack.
It is extraordinary to see how these people, who fancy themselves “intelligent” and “scientific,” deny the biological reality of life in utero and of reproduction. If baby-murder is a “fundamental right,” and all women exercise it, the human race will cease to exist. The White Race is already below replacement levels of fertility.
Of course, that’s exactly what they want — they openly advocate destruction of humanity to prevent “climate change.”
As far as “sexual dimorphism,” well, they actually deny that, too.
It is no exaggeration to say that we are living in the End Times of Western and White Civilization unless something very very drastic occurs to change the course of things.
Abortion seems to reflect the mindset of “careerism” amongst women. The strange idea that the average little girl should be indoctrinated from a very young age that she is supposed to strive for a male style career instead of continue on the species. Do they even understand that becoming a high power doctor or brave masculine firefighter rushing to repel across a line to rescue someone trapped on the top of a petroleum cracking tower is all male specific biological mating strategy to appear more fit when seeking a mate? It makes no sense from a biological standpoint for a woman to become a “career bitch.” What kind of man wants to wait around alone at home for their wife to get back from an out of town business trip? Imagine if all the female deer decided to start growing antlers instead of fat reserves and violently killed or injured each other in fights? Imagine the crash as the number of Bambis born dropped 50% each generation until none were left? This is the abomination of feminism, eventually some society that remains patriarchal will inherit the earth as the feminist monstrosities die off. Abortion is also the natural outcome of women who engaging in male style promiscuous sex.The reason blacks are having more abortions is the rampant promiscuity in that community made much worse by the toxic culture imposed since the 60s on the nation. Yes abortion is very old, but in the past it was confined to the world of the courtesan and brother visits by the frontier doctor. This was not something talked about in the schools of Bedford Falls.
Should read Brothel not brother.
The argument is spurious on its face.
Every woman will know well before viability if she is pregnant and can take drugs that end that well before it develops, to say nothing of nearly foolproof contraceptives that are easily available.
The idea that it’s necessary to have the right to wait up til and even after birth to decide (well past the point of viability independent of the mother) to kill the child is simply monstrous.
There is no way they can reason or argue past the obvious, that they want the right to freely murder children, and feed their flesh to the pharmaceutical industry for profit.
Its not an issue of dignity either, or the helpless child, most deserving of dignified treatment would be considered as well, not to mention the father’s right to his offspring.
They have no argument. They are monsters.
I kind of hate how you can’t correct spelling or grammar mistakes you realize you’ve made AFTER pressing ‘post’.
It can result in the crux of your post being lost or misunderstood.
My mistake…….. I’ll make a point to read them before posting. My checking record is lousy!
“It can result in the crux of your post being lost or misunderstood.”
Autocomplete can be your worst enema !
@Arrian
Indeed!
That woman has Barbara Streisand’s and Bette Midler’s physiognomy but her “early life” isn’t telling me much.
>Margaret Atwood
I’ve never heard of her and read very little modern fiction — Wikipedia quotes her thusly (link):
I am, of course, not a real activist — I’m simply a writer without a job who is frequently asked to speak about subjects that would get people with jobs fired if they themselves spoke.
Her views are basically echoed approvingly throughout the media industrial complex, yet she imagines she might lose her job if she had one by expressing them — she’s fighting the patriarchy — ‘stunning and brave’.
Women have a seemingly infinite capacity for creative victimhood and self-delusion.
She lives in Soviet Kanuckistan, so what the hell is she worried about in the pathetic little Woke gulag run by Castro’s little bastard Justine (P.M. Dress-up)? Perhaps one of Kanuckistan’s more recently imported Imams could issue a fatwa against her – doing something useful for a change instead of collecting welfare payments from the totalitarian regime in Ottawa.
Off topic rant: Between Canada, America, Britain, France, Germany, the Scandinavian countries, and, apparently, most of the Southern and Eastern European countries, there’s basically no country with a White population that *isn’t* hostile to Pro-White values.
Hungary, Serbia, and to a lesser extent, Russia, are the only countries I can think of that either don’t actively wage psychological warfare on the Pro-White movement, or that can plausibly be called a sane, Right Wing government.
I’m eager to see Roe vs. Wade overturned, because I want the Social Liberals who dominate and control these countries to suffer. I want them to know what its like to lose. To feel so desperately that they’re right, and to fail all the same.
America is sick. Canada is sick. Pretty much all of Europe is sick. I don’t know if the nukes are gonna fly, but if they do, Vladimir Putin would become the hero of the 21st century if he sends a few ICBM’s with tactical nukes attached that lay waste to Berlin, Paris, London, New York, Washington, and Los Angeles.
The Great Reset to end all Great Resets.
White Liberals must be punished for their sins, and for their crimes against humanity.
If a woman of legal age and sound mind can abort her baby can two adults of legal age and sound mind agree to a duel to the death? If not, why not? It’s their bodies after all.
Margaret is an Irish name. The mothers maiden name was/is Margaret Dorothy Killam.
Where TF do they get Peggy from Margaret? I have found all the answer to life but this particular question baffles me to no end.
Honest question. Suppose Roe is overturned, some states do ban abortion, and the rate of births out of wedlock in those states goes up rather than down. Will you reconsider your views? Or will it be “well the Soviet Union wasn’t communist enough?”
>motherhood is literally slavery to the state rather than a blessing.
That gets to the crux of the disagreement. I don’t view motherhood as a universal “blessing.” The stripper having a kid out of wedlock, that’s not a blessing, either to the stripper or to society. That’s perfectly in line with “tradition.” Why do you think traditional societies tried so hard to suppress pre-marital sex? If they thought motherhood was always blessing they would have encouraged it, but they didn’t.
Paying half of your taxed salary to the govt is slavery. Paying back student loans with interest is slavery.
I cringe at that woman. I read the novel when it first come out, and thought it ridiculous, and was obviously an attack on Reagan and Christians. I thought at the time, Atwood dumps on Christians, but why didn’t she attack Muslims, who are much more ‘repressive’ on women, if you think that way? Because people like Atwood want to wreck the west. She and her kind simply want to attack, attack, attack. Also, if she openly did a job on Muslims, she might get the Salmon Rushdie treatment. These progressives are very aware of who will fight back.
And now that stupid book has a miniseries that seems to go on and on. The photo HW uses points to how staged all of this protest is, and how organized and controlled it is. Ugh. All those red and white idiots. I want to see Wm. Jennings Bryan again.
You see, with her recent attack on birth, she’s simply like most of them in that they really are haters of order and stability, since it’s the counter to their goddess feminism. It’s a unique place our civilization has come to and has created in the last hundred years, as HW has pointed out.
Robert Browning: Peg is a shortened version of Margaret. Where did Peg come from? Perhaps from Meg, which is also a shortened version of Margaret. Probably something to do with Scotland. They always muck things up.
That’s an interesting point you bring up about the feministas (using Limbaugh’s ‘feminazi’ is an insult to National Socialists). As with so many other Jewish-run ‘movements’ the main thrust of feminism is the destruction of what was once called ‘Christendom’ – formerly white, majority Christian nations. The feminist movement claims to be concerned with the welfare of women, but that’s a lie (as usual). Its chief objective has always been to destroy marriages, families and children. They see Jihadist Islam – especially invaders imported by the refugee and migration rackets (also run by Jews) – as a temporary ally in their ongoing war against Christianity who is therefore immune from their attack. They will of course attack the Taliban in their Afghanistan homeland and were quite supportive of the empire’s two decades of terror there along with running the opium fields for the benefit of the (((Sacklers))). They are likewise fine with NGOs working against traditional Islam in Muslim countries. Feminism is another skinsuit of Satanism.
I am not a Christin Zionist but something comes back to me time and time again that a Christian author (Hal Lindsey) stated in several of his books dealing with the end times. (The Late Great Planet Earth & The Terminal Generation) He stated that the United States will not be a major power in the end times as some type of catastrophe or perhaps a judgment of God will destroy her power. Could that be a nuclear exchange over Ukraine
Transphobe Margaret Atwood must not have heard that men can give birth, too. Abortion is not a “women’s issue.” It is a birthing person issue and a front-hole-haver issue.
She must give a public apology for her transphobia and put in the work to correct the direct harm her rampant bigotry has done to vulnerable trans people, including trans children.