Why “Judeo-Christian” Is A Heresy pic.twitter.com/NO3GQyOpE3
— Joel Webbon (@rightresponsem) March 14, 2025
This is an interesting article which was shared in the comments.
“There has been increased interest in Christian nationalism since Trump has taken office, this being the idea that America, if not the West, is based upon Christian values and principles. [1] Many who do not believe in the traditional theological doctrines associated with Jesus Christ, still hold to cultural Christianity, that regardless of the theology, the values and principles are the most important social glue for the coherence of society, a position held by Elon Musk for example. [2] One important spin-off debate arising from this social movement is the relationship between White racial survivalist movements, and Christianity. Thus, it has been noted by committed Catholic, E. Michael Jones that “White unity is incompatible with Christianity.” [3] As Brett Stevens says: “In his view, universal Christian morality mandates the inclusion of diversity, even if this leads to the destruction like Christ on the Cross of Western Civilization.” [4]
In this article I will also argue that Christianity is a form of universalism, and as such is incompatible with White racialism. Ideally it should be replaced with a more suitable racial religion, or simply the worship of Western civilisation itself and the White race. But Christian nationalists are not to be made into sworn enemies, and there are far greater dangers from neo-liberalism, transnational capitalism, wokeness and globalism. This “live and let live” strategy will be suggested for mutual cooperation in fighting common foes rather than each other, at least until common enemies are defeated. This is a departure from the usual critics of Christianity who see it as an evil doctrine designed for White enslavement, at least of the mind. [5] After we save the White race, we can sort this one out. …
It is concluded that Christianity is fundamentally flawed as a cognitive position, and given the rational nature of Euro-Whites, cannot serve as a racial religion for us. As well, Christianity has universalism coiled in its heart, and in the right socio-cultural context, these racially destructive seeds will grow into the monstrous mutant we have today. While it is true that there are counter-traditions to Christian cosmopolitanism, as detailed by Andrew Fraser, this indicates that the Christian doctrine and tradition, embraces deep inconsistencies. This too is far from satisfactory. It is far better to operate with a White racialist movement, which takes as its core element of faith, the cultures and traditions of the White race, and puts that as the fundamental value by which everything must be measured, including the cult of Jesus. But realistically that is not going to occur, and Christian nationalists will stand their ground regardless of reason and evidence. At this late stage of the game, it is not worth the emotional energy to battle them, given the more dangerous globalist Leftist enemies, and transnational capitalism itself, that are threatening the White race with extinction. Hopefully Christians can embrace one more doctrine such as ordo amoris, and put the White race first, and get on with the battle for racial survival, however inconsistent.
Just let “Jesus” sort it all out down the track, after we win this race war!”
As a White Christian Nationalist, I have considered this thoughtful argument. I have dismissed it outright because the subject of history and reproduction never even comes up.
The idea that Christianity is incompatible with White racial survival is hilarious. The population of Europe grew from about 45 million people at the peak of the Roman Empire to 83 million when Christopher Columbus discovered the New World in 1492. There were twice as many Europeans at the dawn of the Early Modern Era as there were at the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
From 1492 until 1950, which was when Third World immigration began to Europe, the population of Europe expanded from 83 million to 500 million. There were 751 million people in Europe in 2018, not all of whom are White, but there are still significantly more White people in Europe today than there was in 1950. There are 204 million White Americans. There are 105 million White men in the United States alone which is twice as many White people as existed in Europe at the peak of Rome. There are 24 million White people in Canada, 14 million in Australia and 3.5 million people in New Zealand. The White population of Canada, Australia and New Zealand in 2025 is greater than the population of Europe at the time of the fall of the Roman Empire. There are millions of more White people who live in Latin America.
Christianity is so incompatible with White survival that Europeans conquered nearly the entire world under Christianity with only a handful of exceptions like Ethiopia (itself Christian) and Japan. White Christians conquered and settled North America, South America, Africa and Australia. Just from an archaeological standpoint, the graves of White people can be found all over the world. The cultural artifacts of White Christians can be found on all continents including even Antarctica. No human culture in history has been as demographically successful in spreading across the world as White Christians.
If I had the time, which unfortunately I don’t because I have to get to work, I could respond to this in much greater detail. The very idea that race is a meaningful source of identity was created by White Christians, not by atheists or agnostics, and certainly not by pagans. It was mainly a byproduct of the European Christian expansion into Africa and the New World and specifically the European Christians who colonized the New World – starting with the Spanish and Portuguese, who expelled Jews and Muslims from Spain on racial grounds in the 16th century after failing to convert them – but later developed further by other groups like my Anglo-Protestant ancestors who settled the American South and who expelled the Creek Indians from the very ground on which I now sitting here responding to this article. The conversion of Jews and non-Whites to Christianity didn’t change their immutable hereditary racial characteristics. This is how the modern concept of race in the first place.
The idea that race is real and White identity is meaningful is part of my own White Protestant identity, culture and heritage which is why it resonates with me. We had a racial caste system and anti-miscegenation laws that governed interactions between the races for three centuries. That is also where this actually comes from, not from some made up “racial religion,” which is just a transparent attempt to find a new justification for old beliefs. In the South, our traditional racial values were only temporarily suppressed by “antiracism,” which was imposed on us by victorious liberals after World War II, which in the long eye of history was just yesterday. My grandparents saw the Civil Rights Movement. Compare this to the Greeks and Hungarians who lived under the Ottoman yoke for centuries.
The people who like to argue that Christianity is incompatible with White survival … are often themselves the descendants of White Christian settlers. Personally, I know my ancestors were White Christians. My grandmother had 7 siblings. My mother-in-law had 8 siblings. This was the normal demographic pattern in the South two or three generations ago. My wife has kin all over southeast Missouri. It is why I have kin all over southeast Alabama, north Florida and southern Georgia. My demographically successful White Christian ancestors created a thriving civilization here which I would like to preserve and continue. The fact that the Gospel was shared with black people who have their own black churches was no impediment to the survival of the White race. It just made them and us more civilized.
The much more interesting question is whether atheism, agnosticism and secularism is compatible with White racial survival. White demographic collapse is driven by irreligiosity all over the world. White people who adopt a secular or atheist perspective on religion also heavily skew toward leftwing universalist antiracist beliefs. At least in this country, it is White evangelical Protestants who have children and who feel threatened by demographic change, which is why they supported Trump. The overwhelming majority of secular Americans are too inwardly focused on selfishness and narcissism to care about the White race. It is only the most extreme outliers who end up embracing a racialist political perspective.
It is true that White Europeans are facing a severe demographic crunch – the crisis is being driven by secular White people with liberal beliefs who have low fertility, not by their White Christian peers or their own ancestors. A microcosm of the difference can be seen in the White Nationalists who criticize Christian Nationalists. The Christian nationalist is usually almost always a married Protestant or Catholic with children. The White Nationalist is typically single, childless and irreligious.
The survival of the White race depends on the private reproductive decisions of White couples – full stop. It does not turn on any abstract philosophical question of ethical universalism vs. particularism vs. relativism. I already have two children with a third on the way next month. White evangelical Protestants tend to have 15% to 20% more children than White Americans in general. The most fertile White people in America are groups like the Mormons and the Amish. The White demographic crisis is a reflection of apostasy. White Europeans left the faith of their ancestors and now they choose not to reproduce.
You exist because your White Christians ancestors believed in the future. If you don’t have any descendants, it is probably because of something you believe.
Note: If you believe Jews are why haven’t had children or why you shouldn’t engage in political activity, this might explain your lack of success in relationships and politics.
Makes sense .
Just understand the current worst ever Pope Francis is as bad as the worst Tim Wise Jew “ anti racist “ / “ anti White “
The latest LDS ( “don t call us Mormons anymore , that was RACIST”) prophet is 93 years old , LDS pols such as Muttebs Romney , Egg NcMuffin are as bad as the worst Immigration Jews – they love mass Indian IT immigration .
Episcopalian Church of England in England and Washington DC … I take it others saw that Episcopal Lesbian Bishop in true National cathedral trying to lecture President Bush about BLM, Trannies etc
We need to do like El Salvador did .. don t let any ha White Libs , Communists hide under a Christian collar .
NS cosplay isn’t the answer.
The profusion of Christian chaos isn’t the answer.
Libtard social anti-reality isn’t the answer.
Where does that leave people who want social and individual advancement ?
What NS cosplay? Other than Kanye West, who is dressing up in NS attire?
There are millions of apostate Christians that believe that they are holier than thou though.
The problem of Europe today is that we have a lot of invaders.
National Socialism is my religion.
Adolf Hitler is my God.
He is the way and the truth and the light.
I shall not have any other gods before him.
Finally, an honest comment!
Hitler, it seems, had a God too-and his name was Jesus Christ. The more clearly anti-Christian quotes (in table talks and Hitler speaks) attributed to Hitler seem to be discredited, what we know, whether we like Hitler or not, is that he praised Christ for driving the Jews from the temple, and referred to him as Lord and Savior. If he was sincere, and quite possibly he was, he is probably up in Heaven with Jesus now
Hitler, it seems, had a God too–and his name was Jesus Christ. anti-Christian quotes attributed to Hitler in table talks and Hitler speaks have been discredited, what we know is Hitler praised Jesus for driving the Jews from the temple, (in Mein Kampf) and referred to Jesus as Lord and Savior (in a speech). The percentage of Christians in Germany was about constant during his reign, so he couldn’t have been much of a persecutor, unless the German people who supported him were almost all real Christians to begin with, and if they were, and he persecuted them, there’s no way half of them would have considered him great save for the war in the early 1950s. And if he was sincere, and quite possibly he was, he is probably in Heaven with Jesus now, and would rather you not worship him in place of Jesus.
Your a cuck and an intellectual fraud
Obviously, the White race should have perished a long time ago because Christianity is incompatible with our survival. You shouldn’t be here
People had huge families back then due to needing children to assist with the agriculture, and the fact that there was no birth control. Don’t assign effects to false causes. Good Christians these days adopt 3rd world orphans to increase their numbers and gain bonus points with God.
Doesn’t this raise the question of why White people were thriving under Christianity a hundred years ago? Shouldn’t the White race have gone extinct under Christianity in the Middle Ages?
A nonsensical question, already answered. Might as well ask why Whites didn’t go extinct under the various gods of paganism.
Pheromones, secondary sexual development, and the same biological drive that other mammals have to fornicate and reproduce are responsible for human population. There are no metaphysical elements involved.
Life longevity has been increased due solely science. Again, no need for an invisible daddy in the sky.
Excellent take and rebuttal to this article HW.
“But Christian nationalists are not to be made into sworn enemies, and there are far greater dangers from neo-liberalism, transnational capitalism, wokeness and globalism. This “live and let live” strategy will be suggested for mutual cooperation in fighting common foes rather than each other, at least until common enemies are defeated. This is a departure from the usual critics of Christianity who see it as an evil doctrine designed for White enslavement, at least of the mind. [5] After we save the White race, we can sort this one out.”
The author seems awful confident that a fringe group can just defeat the Christian Nationalists after “we save the White race.” I’m doing my part with a bunch of beautiful White kids while these types typically don’t even have a wife let alone kids. I don’t think these types understand what kind of Hank Jr Crusader types we are down here. “I got a shotgun, rifle and a four wheel drive and a country boy can survive.” Deo Vindice!
The key to the survival of the White race being a made up religion with no followers is a perennial theme in the movement. It is up there with creating “NS” parties which do not engage in political activity
To create a new religion requires prophetic spirit, not some miserable utilitarian calculation. And among all the anti-Christian Rightists, it was no doubt Nietzsche who came closest to this ideal with his “divine Dionysian madness.” That is why Nietzsche still has such a strong psychological hold on Alt Right circles, because of his skill in poetic myth-making, and because he put his own skin in the game, so to speak.
Great response. Too many of these people seem to never read history. White identity just somehow happened without any past, until these guys came up with it???
White identity didn’t exist until “NS.” Lol
The collapse of White families, the collapse of marriage, the low White birth rate is due to feminism. Women say they don’t need a man. It’s true that they don’t. So 50% of marriages end in divorce. Divorce is initiated by women 80% of the time. New marriages are at an all time low. I went to my daughter‘s sixth grade graduation ceremony. They had all the children come up to the microphone and talk about what they wanted to be when they grow up. Every single girl in the classroom wanted a high-powered professional career. Not one of them said she wanted to be a mom.
Feminism is two ideas – liberalism and modernism, one a political worldview, the other an aesthetic – applied to women.
Well said. It all comes back to feminism. The irony is that while Hunter Wallace tells men to embrace Christianity to get tradwives, women are busy abandoning the church because it’s insufficiently feminist. The Jew York Times reports:
“Church membership has been dropping in the United States for years. But within Gen Z, almost 40 percent of women now describe themselves as religiously unaffiliated, compared with 34 percent of men, according to a survey last year of more than 5,000 Americans by the Survey Center on American Life at the American Enterprise Institute.”
“In every other age group, men were more likely to be unaffiliated. That tracks with research that has shown that women have been consistently more religious than men, a finding so reliable that some scholars have characterized it as something like a universal human truth.”
https://archive.ph/g7ABh
You will not restore white fertility by telling white men to embrace a religion young women are increasingly abandoning. All that will do is alienate smart young men who dislike superstition.
I just wrote an article about how White demographic collapse is driven by apostasy. It is a problem for non-Christians.
So what? People have been doing the Christian revival for decades and the Christian share of the population keeps going down. Tying WN to Christianity is tying it to an albatross.
I’m not interested in WN.
I’ve written dozens of articles about how it is a ghetto for rightwing atheists. I’m focused on making Protestants more pro-White.
And the Nutzis do not even properly represent ALL rightwing atheists, as many of these guys are so bitter and anti-social that they turn into misanthropes pure and simple, hating the rest of the world – the very opposite of desirable Gemeinde-Völkisch spirit. (The NS scene has sure seen its share of petty infighting.) Despising the great majority of White race as lousy “sheeple” is also common in such circles.
“The fact that the Gospel was shared with black people who have their own black churches was no impediment to the survival of the White race. It just made them and us more civilized.”
The 2020 census per Wikipedia shows that Eufala, Alabama is minority White. It’s odd to say that White Protestants are responsible for the entirety of the past but so little of the present and future. Were the foundations they laid that weak?
“The survival of the White race depends on the private reproductive decisions of White couples – full stop.”
If the state has no bearing upon White survival, why engage with the fandom culture surrounding Donald Trump?
1. My hometown in the Alabama Black Belt has always been roughly 50/50. What has changed in recent years is the gigantic influx of Hispanic illegal aliens. The cause of that is White libtards in other parts of the country who support open borders.
2. State power can be used to flood the country with non-Whites and that is supported by White liberals in this country and really all Western countries.
Did White liberals flood the South with non-Whites before the Antebellum period?
Those Hispanics are mostly Christian, so you are no true Christian if you are against this. Either support Christianity or white interests, it is impossible to be both in current age.
You weak cuck!!
A. I. (Apostate idolatry)
MARCH 14, 2025 AT 4:09 PM
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Christianity is a jewish created fairytale! (Kosher disclosure Titus 1:14!)
The White demographic crisis is a reflection of the apostasy of worshipping a Jewish fictional man and claiming he is a god (really an Egregore, ie. a shared false mind virus creating a collective mind of the infected (ie. NPC’s/Borg’s) and a COLLECTIVE entity not of blood, ie. Kinship nation!!
The God’s are supra-essential (ie. They are not of any essence but are existential and each is particular unique!)
Furthermore jewish Christianity is waging war on blood racial nationhood (just accept the blood of the Jewish Egrigore and your “saved” (from race and nation!!) and ethnicity.
For the jewish monotheism is the possession “soul” of one global religion and one global government (ie.
Monarchical monotheist man-god theocracy! (Not possible with polycentric polytheism which ain’t atheism but quite the opposite as you worship a jewish created MAN character in their not so holy book, the idol of your Egrigore non-blood based “Christian misnomered “nationalism”!!!
Your FOS Norman!!
Ok.
The truth is that you are a crank and a walking advertisement against becoming excessively antisemitic.
The truth is that people like you are nuts and make us look bad which is why your comments are discarded.
The truth is that you are such a poor and low IQ advocate for your own position that it is charitable to censor you because you make people who are aware of Jewish influence and who believe it is a problem look bad by association.
That’s the truth.
The Christian thing to do is to keep you locked in the spam filter because you are an embarrassment who wastes our bandwidth.
@Post the truth. Lots of words which make absolutely no sense. You quote scripture but obviously don’t understand it AT ALL. Again, why are you even here… on this site? Go back to the basement and have your mom make you some meatloaf. “Ma the meatloaf!” Loser!
He posts the same autistic nonsense every day. Normally, I just send it to the spam filter because the guy is obviously a kook.
Congratulations on the child on the way.
Your rejoinder doesn’t directly address the problem of the universality of Christianity. Your three children can still be demographically displaced by massive immigration.
In the interest of clarity, what would you say to a Christian who insisted on non-white immigration because we are all one in Christ?
Would you allow African Christians to move here?
Why is that a problem?
The argument was that Christianity is incompatible with White racial survival. If that were the case, then White people would have perished thousands of years ago, and there wouldn’t be hundreds of millions of more White people in the world than there were when the Roman Empire fell. White people wouldn’t have colonized other continents or gone to the moon and the author of the article wouldn’t exist.
America was almost 90% White in the 1960s. Europe was homogeneous. There were laws in all European countries designed to keep it that way. Australia had the White Australia policy. South Africa had apartheid. The South had Jim Crow. All of these policies and laws were designed to control immigration were created by Christians. Europe colonized Africa and India when it was Christian, not the other way around.
It is true that liberal European elites who have rejected Christianity have flung open the borders and invited non-Whites to flood in. I’m not sure why apostates see this as the fault of Christianity. In this country, it is Christians who support rightwing nativist movements, and it is atheists who are leftist open borders fanatics. The White people who support the Democratic Party are disproportionately irreligious.
White racial survival is endangered by the Christian charities that focus on immigration, whom I assume would justify their actions with Christianity.
Do you really believe that you don’t need an answer to the question that I posed?
I agree.
Those NGOs are corrupt government contractors who were recently defunded by the Trump administration.
As a Christian, I voted for Trump to end the refugee resettlement program although I agree with Trump that an exception should be made for White South African farmers
If only White Christians were able to vote, the whole immigration system could be reformed tomorrow.
Your deluded…
Years ago, I traveled around the South protesting refugee resettlement. Today, Trump’s base agrees with me and Trump himself defunded the refugee program but carved out an exception for White farmers in South Africa. White Christian Nationalists believe in winning at politics
If illegal immigrants protested israel, Trump would move heaven and earth to depart all 50 million of them.
Catholics are not Christians. The NGO’s are overwhelmingly Catholic.
“Catholics aren’t Christians.”
Confirmation.
How is life so far to left on The Bell Curve?
I bet you’re one of those weirdos that recreated Golgatha in your front yard.
Imagine how much further along Whites would be if Christians didn’t fight over whose sect of Jesus Worship was the best or fight over religion at all. It would be comical if it wasn’t so detrimental to the White race. You guys just constantly prove the point that because of your petty differences Christian Nationalism is a dead end.
It is easy to imagine.
Just subtract White Christians from who voted in the last election and you would see how far it would set back Whites
Subtract irreligious Whites from who voted in the last election. This would be an even better illustration.
I agree with Brad that that Christianity is compatible with European / White survival ( unlike a lot of other pagans ) yet my main concern is that our peoples would be enslaved to religious fundamentalism if we went down the route of Christian Nationalism. I don’t think it is right, true, or fair to characterize all forms of Christianity as the same ( unlike other pagans ). My question to Brad is what if White Christian Nationalism does lead our people down the path of a totalizing Christian theocracy ( say something akin to the Calvinist Congregationalist hell scapes of New England { which eventually broke down in becoming the most irreligious parts of the country} or Calvin’s Geneva or the Goa Inquisition), would Brad and other White Christian Nationalists try to call for restraint and moderation? Perhaps a moderate Anglicanism guiding the Dixie people instead of rabid theonomists? That is my main concern against Christian Nationalism being embraced by White Identitarians is that we would be straight back to the horrific Wars of Religion that the Framers wanted us to avoid.
On another note, while I am a devoted neopagan who will never break with worshipping my ancestors, the gods, and the Greatest and Most High, I do think that other neopagans should become more pietistic and be more concerned with the practicing of the proper virtues and rituals the gods call for. So many seem to just use it for some political purposes when we are numerically insignificant. It would be more wise for us to turn inward and cultivate our own private gardens of faith and virtue rather than just using our religion to attack on Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, or others. ( We should snap back at them if they attack us though but never attack without provocation ). Perhaps embracing the way of doing things that crypto-pagans of the Early Christian Roman Empire did and being more veiled and secretive when it comes to our religion? Especially in this radicalizing time of religion in the USA when it is wise and prudent thing to be hidden about our religious identity as a minority faith.
I didn’t become a White Nationalist until 2012, but my understanding of things is that in the “Before Times” – which I’m defining as roughly from the founding of Stormfront in 1995 until Obama’s first year in the Presidency in 2009, and which I remember as the year when modern internet culture really began to take off – all the different factions that compose “The Movement” were forced to conglomerate on both Stormfront and VNN, along with other ancient looking webzines and forums. I almost wish I was around for this era, as I thrive in small time environments like that.
Anyway, I was around long enough to see the Alt Right rise, peak during 2016 and the first half of 2017, then collapse after Charlottesville. I’ve Moon Lighted on old reliable websites like this one ever since. The National Alliance ended up being my final destination. I vouch for their ideology and their vision of the world. For whatever its worth, they chimed in on the Keith Woods debate, and I found their arguments more compelling and persuasive than Woods supporters.
https://nationalvanguard.org/2025/03/nationalism-without-national-socialism-is-a-hollow-shell/
https://nationalvanguard.org/2025/03/what-does-not-work/
Back to my original point: In 2005, the different factions of “Der Movement” were basically forced to share a room together. In 2025, the atom has come apart, the different factions have crystallized, and there is no longer a need to identify under the same umbrella.
Paleoconservatives, and indeed, other factions of the old Alt Right, are content with what amounts to a continuation of the last 1500 years since the fall of Rome. Strictly speaking, it is true that White Christians are providing more of the raw biological material necessary to carry on the White Race.
And its all meaningless.
I’m currently in the slow, drawn out process of reading the 26 part series, available on the National Vanguard website, called “Who We Are” by William Pierce. I started reading it in November 2023, got through 8 chapters, then Deep Sixed it for a year because I had other things going on, and because I felt it was better to read “The Origins of Christianity” by Revilo Oliver first.
Oliver succeeded in smashing what was left of my superstitions, and Pierce, through his magnificent telling of Evolution as only a PHD in Physics like him could, has replaced “Young Earth Creationism” with a comprehensive narrative of both the history of our race specifically, as well as the entire world.
I encourage you to read Chapter 25 at the very least, as it explains why no matter how much you may wish to ignore WW2 and make it go away, WW2 will never ignore *you.* As for your more specific claims in this article, four counterpoints:
1. Everyone knows that the population explosion, which didn’t even really take place until after the year 1800, was entirely the result of the industrial revolution, which ushered in the mass production of virtually unlimited quantities of food on a global scale, as well as advancements and discoveries in medicine that ended diseases such as small pox that used to kill off Europeans by the millions.
2. Literal belief in Christianity among the elites – and among the other people that matter – was on the decline during the Enlightenment of the 1700s, and it utterly collapsed by the late 1800s when Science replaced God. It is only the peasants who continue to cling to any sort of literal belief in Christianity. Just because it remains hegemonic among segments of the White population doesn’t mean it can’t or shouldn’t be deconstructed and discredited into oblivion.
3. If White Christian families are tasked with providing the biological material for the continuation of the White Race, then the 21st century will surely mark the last century in which the race that once prided itself on being known as the “Nobel Ones” will retain any sort of racial purity. To a man, White Christian couples are vehemently anti-racist, which is to say, they couldn’t care less if their children marry a non-white and produce mongrel children with them. As long as those attitudes persist – as long as miscegenation is seen as perfectly fine and normal – it’s only a matter of time until their children race mix themselves into oblivion.
4. It is 100% completely and utterly pointless to get married and have White children without first creating a global system designed to secure the existence of the Aryan Race and a future for Aryan children. National Socialism was the prototype for this. Anything less is doomed to failure and will not suffice. Whether the disciples of this vision of the world get married and have children or not – which, indeed, is most of us – is entirely irrelevant. (In my case specifically, I determined by 2023 that I fall under the category of those unfortunate cases who should deliberately refuse to carry on their bloodline so that children aren’t born who are doomed to a life of misery and are likely to become a burden on the state. In other words, I’m not obligated to have children, and it would be a bad thing both for my race and for the world if I did. I do what I do entirely out of a sense of “its the right thing to do. And I find it persuasive.”)
5. None of this is designed to change your mind specifically. I hope others read it and consider what I have to say as this debate carries on.
“And its all meaningless.”
The basic modus operandi of anti-Christian Nazis is to deny, belittle and pooh-pooh all the magnificent accomplishments of Western Christian civilization. Like here you trying to attribute all the demographic advances of White race to the industrial revolution alone – while actually even Nazi intellectuals like Walther Darré could tell you that the urbanization that accompanied the 19th century social transformation had some very dire dysgenic side-effects indeed:
https://archive.org/details/DarreRichardDasBauerntumAlsLebensquellDerNordischenRasse1942500S.ScanFraktur_201711/page/n79/mode/2up?view=theater
“Deutschland hat durch seinen industriellen Aufschwung von 1871-1914 derartige Hekatomben von Bauerngeschlechtern geopfert, daß einem biologisch geschulten Menschen über diese auch noch als „Fortschritt“ gepriesene Selbstentleibung die Haare zu Berge stelen können.
So ist aus wirtschaftlichen Ursachen seit der Reichsgründung ein großer Hundertsatz unseres besten nordischen Blutes von Lande fort und in die Unfruchtbarkeitsmaschine, genannt Stadt, hineingetrieben worden.”
But in any case, already from the High Middle Ages onwards the Christian civilization was literally pulsating with expanding energies, both cultural and biological (the “Drang nach Osten” colonization, led by the Teutonic Knights, was one expression of this), already well before the advent of modern technology (which it laid the groundworks for).
Using the past European isolation as an example of why Christianity can now work is stupid. Whatever you think worked in past can definitely not work now.
Lets not waste time here and get straight to the point, if Wallaces daughter brings home a god fearing n!gger to marry, he is not going to use theology to try stop this (he can’t because Christianity supports miscegenation). In the end Western civilization was ONLY about race, Christianity is the enemy of the white race NOW.
“Lets not waste time here and get straight to the point, if Wallaces daughter brings home a god fearing n!gger to marry, he is not going to use theology to try stop this (he can’t because Christianity supports miscegenation).”
Christians can appeal also to God’s revelation in nature, or “general revelation,” don’t you know:
https://creation.com/general-and-special-revelation
Like we “just know” that sodomy is unnatural, so likewise we can “just know” that it is a bad, tasteless idea to mix Saxon and Bantu genes.
And in any case, Hunter can also appeal to his own patriarchal authority and judgment. (“Because I say so!”) That would be a very Biblical position.
My White Southern Christian ancestors created 1.) created anti-miscegenation laws and 2.) created a culture in which White women sleeping with blacks was the ultimate taboo. I don’t know of any examples of atheists or agnostics or secularists doing the same. Those are the people who have always supported these things.
You can – and should – be tested for autism spectrum disorder as an adult, Wallace.
It is autistic *checks notes* to have normal cultural and political views and not to LARP as Heinrich Himmler in rural America
Young men are recognizing Christianity for what it is – a weak, femininized religion where “turning the other cheek” and “loving thy neighbor” has gotten the West to where it is today. But if you pray real hard with your kinfolk for the White race at Church on Sunday before you go to Cracker Barrel I’m sure things will definitely turn around.
No, actually young men are fueling a rise in church attendance. The decline of Christianity in the U.S. has stopped because of it. I just shared the New York Times article on that.
“Young men are fuelling a rise in church attendance”
Yes, those are called incels.
As it happens, even Himmler was able to recognize the point you are making in this piece:
https://books.google.fi/books?id=RreXLeUG_AIC&lpg=PP1&hl=fi&pg=PA233#v=onepage&q&f=false
“At a 1942 speech delivered to the SS and German police leadership, Himmler spoke of the struggle of the races and the need to fight off the Asiatic horde. Even while he attacked the “perversity” of Christian morality, he took a favorable view of the Catholic teaching that a childless marriage was the “greatest sin of all.” Himmler stated his belief that “the decline in our birthrate around 1900 coincided with the time when the German people began to inwardly free themselves from their very keen commitment to the churches.” This aspect of Christian orthodox teaching, Himmler declared to the assembled party members, “we can only welcome from a biological and racial point of view.”78”
a bett question would be “is Christianity necessary for White survival”, and I don’t think it is. there are also a lot of people in society who have a chip on their shoulder about Christianity, despise the bossy stereotype, the sanctimonious sense of superiority religious people have. this isn’t a fringe minority of people. it might even be the majority. so while I’m not anti-Christian, I don’t think Christianity should be the focus. just adds baggage. what we’re all presumably fighting for is White survival so that comes first.
Also the argument that we should embrace Christianity to get our birthrates up isn’t appealing. Many people it’s either desirable or unimportant for the population to half for a couple generations. Who are you to question the breeding choices if younger generations? Maybe conditions aren’t good to be breeding like our grandparents were. This again falls under the bossy stereotype of Christians. A lot of people will just turn you off entirely if you go off about how you want to return us to the Middle Ages and have a clergy be running our lives. Let the birthrates adjust naturally. The birthrates hysteria only makes sense if you’re a soulless business owner who just wants to see ‘line-go-up’ at any cost to our national life, the same mindset that rationalizes importing millions of browns. No thanks!
I agree with your opinion for the most part Hunter.
One part you failed to mention is the infiltration of the hierarchy in the Catholic & Protestant churches.
Basically these institutions have become NGOs of Judeo Globo Homo.
They “adjust “ Christianity to fit the latest outrages ie homosexuality, trans , illegal immigration’s etc.
The first step in Europe coming back must be the revival of The Catholic Church to its Traditional moral teachings & assuming its Traditional teaching power. This is the only institution on earth with the reach & influence that can turn things around. Our enemies know this , this is why they go to great lengths to make sure the hierarchy is held in check.
Only having a strong Catholic pope will accomplish this.
Francis is on his death bed, the hierarchy is extremely liberal & modernist , it will literally take God’s hand to make it happen.
If & when this happens all the other sects ( Protestants, Orthodox ) will follow suite.
@Thumbs,
“The first step in Europe coming back must be the revival of The Catholic Church to its Traditional moral teachings & assuming its Traditional teaching power.”
Most of the problems in European civilization stems from reactions to Catholic Supremacy. Among the greatest of these is agnosticism and outright atheism. Also, general rebellious vice against dogmatic and hypocritical stances of the Catholicism. Others include a demand of subservience that almost approximates the unreasoned moral submission demand of Islam. Then of course is the use of all these so called traditions for purposes of political tyranny.
In contrast, most of the solutions to European civlizational problems stem from the promotion of the Protestant Reformation. Amongst the greatest of these is reasoned faith and total belief in a personal God. Also virtuous obedience toward the empirical and enlightened stances of biblical and Celto-Germanic traditional Protestantsism. Others include deference toward moral law and reason that is superior to possibly even ancient Greece. Ultimately, all of these are used to create the political liberties which we enjoy, including most European Catholics.
“If & when this happens all the other sects ( Protestants, Orthodox ) will follow suite.”
So, if conservative Catholicism will cause the Protestants to follow, then we can reason that Liberal Catholicism is the cause for the subversion of Protestatism?
I just posted this comment at the Euro-Canadian website. It may be of some interest to your readers as well.
In the course of discussing my book, Christian Nationalism vs Global Jesus , Arran Ryan seriously misrepresents the nature of my argument when he claims that “Fraser of course assumes that Christianity is the right racial religion for Anglo-Saxons and that Christianity is true. There is no attempt made to show this, and answer any of the foundational objections against the position….”
In fact, one of the major criticisms I make of Stephen Wolfe’s Anglo-Protestant brand of Christian nationalism is that he fails to engage “with the growing body of contemporary New Testament scholarship ready, willing, and able to challenge the foundational ‘supernatural truths’ of [his] old-time religion” (111).
Wolfe explicitly rests his “case for Christian nationalism upon an a priori faith” in a pair of what he describes as “undeniable Christian truisms.” The first of these theological presuppositions is that the catchphrase “Jesus is Lord” is a “universally true statement.” Secondly, he asserts that the proposition that “Christianity is the true religion” requires no argument because it is grounded in revelation not reason.
I point out that, even if one grants for the sake of argument, that both of these “supernatural truths” are true, one must be entitled to ask “In what sense are they true?” In the end, I contend, the most that one can expect to find in Wolfe’s “undeniable truisms” is some sort of “truthiness.” That latter notion is defined by the Merriam-Webster Dictionary as “a truthful or seemingly truthful quality that is claimed for something not because of supporting facts or evidence but because of a feeling that it is true or a desire for it to be true.”
More importantly, my book makes a case for the proposition that neither Jesus nor Paul set out to create a new, universal religion. They both conceived their mission in terms of the restoration theology of second temple Judaism. In other words, they both looked forward to the resurrection of the twelve tribes of the Hebrew Bible. According to Scot McKnight, “the most important context in which modern interpreters should situate Jesus is that of ancient Jewish nationalism.”
Both Jesus and Paul were focused on the salvation of the “lost sheep of Israel.” In his book on Paul and the Resurrection of Israel , Jason Staples demonstrates that Paul was working “within Israelitism,” not to found a new religion embracing the whole of humanity. Instead, Paul became the apostle to the pagans so as to reactivate the spiritual DNA carried into exile by the ten lost tribes who had become absorbed, without visible trace, into the gentile world centuries earlier.
That story has, for me at least, obvious relevance to the plight of the contemporary Anglo-Saxon/British diaspora. Modern Anglos are now stateless peoples, scattered throughout the globalist economic zones of a godless Anglosphere. Any ethnoreligious rebirth of British history, however, presupposes the reappearance of a historical and geopolitical theology reminiscent of Jesus and Paul’s vision of the resurrection of Israel.
Such a “project of peoplehood” must restore the strong gods of British race patriotism throughout the entirety of the Anglosphere, including the USA. Saving “the lost sheep” of a resurrected Greater Britain will require an Anglo-Protestant reformation that would be nothing short of miraculous.
Perhaps the first step along the path to spiritual renewal will come when Anglo-American Protestants summon up the courage to mentally nullify the 1776 Declaration of Independence, thereby recovering an ancestral sense of ethnoreligious solidarity with their fellow Anglos in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and, last but not least, “back home” in the now godforsaken British Isles.
@Andrew Fraser,
“Such a “project of peoplehood” must restore the strong gods of British race patriotism throughout the entirety of the Anglosphere, including the USA. Saving “the lost sheep” of a resurrected Greater Britain will require an Anglo-Protestant reformation that would be nothing short of miraculous.”
Anthropologists are now coming to the conclusion that material civilization did not make religion but that religioun made material civilization. All people origin start with a divine creation. Including the Britannic people. To reinvigorate the strong oak will require the blood of many a tyrant that has smothered them in return for what they brought to the world, and done in thanks to the God that raised them from that sceptered isles in the mysts of time.
The Britannic people of our era originate with the acceptance of Christ, first in the early Roman era just after Christ, whose Supreme War Leader was eventually captured by Rome and brought in chains in a Roman Trump during Emperor Claudius. Again, during the late Roman Empire when people St Alban, St George, and others gave us the Arthurian myths and most importantly the Britannian Patricios of Dumnonia was captured by Gaelic pirates and eventually converted his captors to Christianity and become known as St Patrick. Thirdly, and finally, with the conversion of the Anglo-Saxon by St Augustine of Canterbury.
All of these three people, the Anglo-Saxons, Britons, and Gaels all had their saints and their three fold periods of Christian reformation before being joined together. That initial union was created by the First Protestant Reformation of the Britannic people begun by the Tudors and completed by the Stuart’s with the capstone of the King James Bible. Since then, they have experienced a second great reformation some two hundred years later. A third yet still awaits.
If there is to be a rebirth of the Britannic people, aka the Anglo-Celtic-Saxons, then it must start with their traditional Protestant faith. The Reformation itself was nothing but a get back to basics reform of a church encrusted with b.s. Similarly, the Papacy era began as a reformation of the Imperial Roman Church. That in turn, was nothing but a reformation of the primitive church. Each reform began the reflowering of its civilization. Until the Brittanic people get back to their Protestant roots, they won’t rebirth.
When they do, its questionable whether it will be under a single union government. Perhaps though it might start in the UK. In your book you mention the need for a Patriot King to help guide the Britannic people. Certainly, with its established Church, its established relationships throughout the old Dominions, and the former American colonies, England could be the launch pad. But it needs a Patriot King. Is Charles III that King? Could there be a updated poetic exegesis of Protestant Biblical Christianity under him, perhaps a King Charles Version of the Bible? It remains questionable. Alternatively, it could be American missionaries that bring this about from the bottom up.
Regardless, the Britannic people need a rebirth of self awareness. Many times here on this forum, the dirty Papists and Anglophobes make their attacks on all things WASP including Southrons. Which goes to show how low the identity of the Britannic people have fallen. But when it does re-arise it would be the most powerful force in the USA and the United Kingdom and its old Dominions. The greatest strength of the old Empire was when it was joined with its British American colonies into an Empire of Liberty. How much more so in a future world wide Britannia of Liberty. So, I see less a need for a centralization of multi-oceanic global Britannic state institutions to do this, than a need for personal revival within the Britannic people. When the later happens some form of the former will occurr by God’s Grace.
https://youtu.be/S-gCcuq3XxE?si=eLW53iFNqmJIFWqk
Christian nationalists can also “go on counter-attack,” and point out the pagan, secular or non-Christian origins of Liberalism. To mention just one big example, neo-Epicurean materialism, with its concomitant atomistic individualism (which is sheer poison for the health of the race), was a big part of the Radical Enlightenment ethos which overthrew the Christian hegemony.
Nietzsche’s vision of the contemptible “Last Man,” who is content with petty material pleasures, is much more an image of modern Epicurean who is “living for today,” as John Lennon advised, rather than someone who is influenced by serious Christian faith.
I mean, the same person who wrote the infamous words “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal” (which notion is NOT to be found in the Bible), also made the following “confession of faith”:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-15-02-0141-0001
“As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurean. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing every thing rational in moral philosophy which Greece & Rome have left us. Epictetus indeed has given us what was good of the Stoics; all beyond, of their1 dogmas, being hypocrisy and grimace.”
Against all odds and with great struggles
to boot, I found and married a genuinely beautiful, inside and out, trad, Mormon raised, (now Baptist with my influence), amazing blonde wife. We are in our early 30s with our first beautiful White child due in June. We plan to have as many as 6, God willing.
Without question, Jesus Christ is the Author of our romance and none of these Godless losers can hold a candle to what the Lord can do, and frankly, most of our retarded generation will live wasted lives completely missing out on His Best. Their loss! Hunter, you are genuinely doing GODS WORK taking the stand that you do, reading this blog is a daily pleasure. God bless you and your family.
Worshiping a jew and operating according to jewish writings is what put us here, in shit.
All they did was copy our ways into the new testament so the big fucking trick would fly. Thats why at first glance it reads like a different religion.
Its judaism, for gentiles, so they have an easier time destroying them (us).
As I pointed out in the article, the White population doubled between the collapse of the Roman Empire and the discovery of the New World, and there are more White men in America today than there was White people in all of Europe at the time when Rome fell. Western civilization was flourishing until a few generations ago. European empires ruled the world. There are hundreds of millions of White people in the world today. So the idea that Christianity destroyed the White race is absurd and false on its face. The people who whine about Christianity are themselves the descendants of Christian settlers.
It really all goes back to the 1930s and 1940s. “NS” happened. Westerners abandoned Christianity and now apostates don’t have children and hate their own civilization and feel guilty for being White because having pride in one’s own people is “racist.” The whole world slid down hill from that point. It happened in the early 20th century after over a thousand years of Christianity.