We’re all eugenicists now. pic.twitter.com/iGwGzore7T
— American Renaissance (@realAmRen) April 10, 2025
“I’m a big believer in genetics. Two slow race horses don’t produce a Kentucky Derby winner.” — Donald Trump
— iamyesyouareno (@iamyesyouareno) April 12, 2025
And what are you going to do with that massive pile of bad genes we’re holding, Mr. President? pic.twitter.com/F0c2kCjOw3
No way LMAOOOO ???? pic.twitter.com/JmddkECbRE
— Garbage Human (@GarbageHuman24) April 12, 2025
I have mixed feelings about this.
Eugenics is one of the few issues where I have changed my mind.
In my youth, I was very supportive of eugenics and bought a bunch of books about the subject. This was long before I was married and had my own children and became a Christian. I remain supportive of positive eugenics, which is compatible with Christianity, and which is just encouraging people of good stock to be more mindful when choosing their mates and encouraging them to have larger families.
You could even say that I still support negative eugenics to some degree. I think we should restore anti-miscegenation laws and the taboo on race mixing. I think our immigration laws should be much more selective. We used to have immigration laws that screened out people with hereditary diseases, with low-IQs and who come from undesirable parts of the Third World and even Europe. We ought to change the tax code to discourage barren spinsters and perpetual bachelors. The welfare state, which puts the burden of taxation on the fit while subsidizing the unfit, is another area that ought to be reformed.
We have “NS” to thank for discrediting the whole concept of eugenics and the baby being thrown out with the bathwater. I’m referring to things like the T4 program and euthanasia, the Lebensborn program, genocide (whether or not the Holocaust happened is irrelevant because most people believe it did and that had major consequences), Nazi racial theories about the inferiority of Slavs, etc. In America, we also jumped the gun in the early days of genetics and went a little crazy with sterilizing too many poor people who were labeled feebleminded morons. This stoked a huge backlash against negative eugenics.
I’m also uneasy with modern negative eugenics. I don’t like IVF and embryo selection. I find the idea of creating children out of stem cells horrifying. I’m also skeptical of looking at our children like yields of corn or domesticated farm animals. Do we also really want to further torture the parents and children who compete to get into the best schools? Should childhood be a rat race about building a resume? Are we going to up the ante by having the children themselves be engineered in the test tube? Do we want to live in a culture where you are judged as having failed at life in the embryonic stage of development?
My view is of this is that I will settle for immigration restriction, restoring anti-miscegenation laws, restoring harmony between the sexes, reducing the number of spinsters and incels and encouraging larger White families. Right now, too many White people are failing to even have children, and non-Whites are exploding in numbers all around this. We don’t have the time to think about a handful of designer babies who will certainly be too few in number to reverse our demographic decline.
Note: The thawing of the taboo on eugenics is another example of how we in a period of rapid cultural change.
“The welfare state, which puts the burden of taxation on the fit while subsidizing the unfit, is another area that ought to be reformed.”
You demonstrate why eugenics has mostly been a pseudo-science. Only in the Nazi regime did you see a serious scientific method towards improving society as a whole. If “eugenics” is left to Republican voting hucksters, it becomes nothing more than a fraudulent scheme for preserving bourgeois profit. It’s the old paleocon cuckery that idealizes Capitalism as inherently eugenic even though Capitalism destroyed the society they rather pathetically tried to preserve. From there it is only a hop, skip, and a jumb to Richard Hanania, Bryan Caplan, and Zionist innuendo about “IQ” and the magic of markets.
You can’t worship God and Mammon both. This whole protestant Grand Inquisitor thing of yours is bad.
‘. Only in the Nazi regime did you see a serious scientific method towards improving society as a whole. ‘
Sweden had a thriving institute for racial and eugenics studies, so did Norway. I wouldn’t be surprised if Finland and Switzerland also had such institutions.
So much news and true information is kept from us.
Keep the goys stupid!
Exactly!
The gay old pedos’ main talking point in 2020 wasn’t law and order, but “Socialism Sucks.” Though the republicans are never allergic to corporate socialism known as subsidies.
I’m still waiting for any of “the fit” to go to prison 2008 subprime loan financial meltdown. Wall Street (((banks and bankers))) were bailed out in the tune of 23 trillion in the US government Wall Street Ponzi scheme.
Does OD believe the wealth accumulation during the scamdemic by billionaires was another example of financial fit eugenics?
I believe it was Hitler himself who said that the future belonged to the stronger, superior race of the East because his wars had destroyed Germany and killed off the best, brightest and bravest of a generation of German men. Keith brought that up in his articles.
Eugenics was thriving in America before World War II. We had immigration laws that screened for intelligence and hereditary diseases and a preference for Northern Europeans. Most states had sterilization laws. The Supreme Court had upheld the constitutionality of eugenic sterilization in the Buck v. Bell decision. There was no taboo on “racism” or eugenics. Personally, I agree with some of the critics that genetics was in its infancy and eugenicists had gone too far, too fast, but the backlash that discredited the whole concept of eugenics and took down racialism with it was 100% caused by World War II which changed public opinion. It wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
The public are easily persuaded by jewish gaslighting to that POV, as you have been by the ‘new republican party’ to believe up is down and black is white.
Keith Woods is irrelevant, weird, a grifter, pretentious, autistic, and wrong about the Third Reich and Hitler. His about face on NS is about as inorganic as yours for the GOP..
Joel Davis BTFO Woods in their debate on NS.
You two can keep swimming against the tide because the future belongs to us.
And Stalin himself said that the USSR could not have stopped the German war machine from tearing apart his worker paradise without the critical aid provided by FDR’s Lend-Lease Program. Marshal Zhukov and Krushchev concurred with that view. The Bolshevik globalist regime survived because its Yankee globalist ally propped it up while pretending to be neutral.
Didn’t Hitler declare war on the United States?
@Anonymous
“You can’t worship God and Mammon both. This whole protestant Grand Inquisitor thing of yours is bad.”
So are you saying we should a real Nazi style eugenic regime or a real Papacy style eugenic regime?
The Cultus of the Holy Androgyne: Some thoughts on the connection between the historical ideas of St. Paul and how they may have planted the seeds for where we are today… https://rumble.com/v2i95mu-is-transgenderism-a-christian-cult-galatians.html
‘We have “NS” to thank for discrediting the whole concept of eugenics ‘
I think your viewpoint has been badly skewed by war/post-war propaganda .
You’re repeating many media cliches.
Correct observation. Had the NS regime had even half of the manpower and resources it was up against, Europe would be White, clean, and safe right now.
I would say this is unquestionable.
Before World War II, there was no taboo on racialism, nationalism or eugenics. Those taboos were created by the war which 1.) empowered liberals and 2.) changed public opinion and 3.) discredited all three which were associated with “NS.” The reason those taboos are eroding now is that everyone who lived through the war or who were born immediately afterwards and were strongly shaped by it are either dead or elderly. The people who lived through that ordeal didn’t romanticize it.
@Hunter Wallace and US of AIPAC,
“Those taboos were created by the war which 1.) empowered liberals and 2.) changed public opinion and 3.) discredited all three which were associated with “NS.””-Hunter
You are missing a logical step in your presumption. You admit before WWII, there were no taboos on these questions. Only after WWII. You also admit elsewhere we had programs in the Western allies justifying our own kind of racialism, nationalism, and eugenics. So, when and how did these become associated with NS?
The fact is, it didn’t become associated with NS until almost a generation after WWII. That somehow, the war became retconned to justify anti-racialism, anti-nationalism, and eugenicphobia much later after the war. You could probably talk to most people who were born before 1965 and realize they were taught to support some of the eugenics programs.
Therefore, this anti-racism, anti-nationalism, anti-eugenics, is really a product of the post 1965 era and not the post wwii era. I am old enough to remember when as a young child aspects of eugenics were taught to us in public and private school so it didn’t just become verboten all of a sudden at 1965 either. I say, there has been a kind of political coup de etat that has occurred nearly a generation or more after WWII, which has retconned the past, and used it to moralize a whole new political ethos and got folks like you to argue about it.
Easy way to fight back is not to take the NS argument. Not even to take the Allies argument. But, merely to take politics out of it all together and put it back firmly in a Christian and Western, moral framework. We didn’t land at Normandy to rid the world of eugenics. But to rid the world of tyranny and European imperial bullying of each other. Thats the end of the discussion on why we fought in WWII. Meanwhile, its possible to have a moral eugenics policy without infringing on the rights and liberties of the people and state.
1) The liberals had been in power long before the war, when FDR’s New Deal coalition took over way back in 1933 and installed him as POTUS for life.
2) It’s not Hitler’s fault if American citizens were gullible enough to believe the defamatory bullsh!t that their brainwashing government remorselessly proclaimed about the Third Reich before, during, and after the war.
3) It’s not Hitler’s fault if American citizens were too cucked to resist the taboos against nationalism and eugenics that were proclaimed by their antifa ruling classes.
No, the Greatest Generation never romanticized their glorious war, except for all those (((Hollywood))) movies, pulp novels, self-serving memoirs, and television shows, including a comedy with a laugh track set in a POW camp.
Yeah, the National Socialists discredited eugenics by losing a war against the three most powerful empires in human history, and the Confederates discredited state’s rights by losing a war to the Union, and the Crusaders discredited Christianity by losing Palestine to the Muslims, and the Romans discredited civilization by getting conquered by Teutonic barbarians.
… which Hitler foolishly declared war on. He started the wars with both the USSR and United States after already being at war with the UK and France
Waaaaaaa National Socialism
To be fair the Germans were imitating American Race Laws.
Late comers to the game as it were.
Roughly at the time that American geneticists were abandoning immutable heritability, Germans picked up the idea that heredity was the be all and end all.
President “Cornholio” Trump is now saying he will NOT deport illegal aliens who work in hotels, motels, restaurants, vacation resorts, farming and food processing. Who the hell does he plan on deporting.
Well kids mass deportations are off the table!
I saw it.
This is an excellent opportunity to put pressure on him. Criticize him for the right reasons.
@Morris Harvey and Hunter Wallace,
“President “Cornholio” Trump is now saying he will NOT deport illegal aliens who work in hotels, motels, restaurants, vacation resorts, farming and food processing. Who the hell does he plan on deporting.
Well kids mass deportations are off the table!”
I saw it too. This is one of Trump’s off the cuff remarks regarding some detail of a policy in situ, which he often makes and whom drives his messaging team mad. Trump, does appear to say those categories of illegal alien workers are not prioritized for deportations. But, he also said they will have to leave suggesting they will ultimately be deported if they don’t leave. If they leave correctly they can come back correctly. This all seems to indicate a policy in creation regarding how to remove illegal aliens who are not criminal felons on top of their illegal alien status.
This is where the devil is in the details. This is where the left can muddy the policy so much as to allow the courts to intervene on behalf of the illegals. Trump made a fatal mistake in trying to I.C.E. his way out of our invasion. Only national mobilization, military force and martial law can get us out of this predicament. Monkeying around with these little civil and law enforcement style policy changes ensures Trump will accomplish little more than Obama regarding the illegal alien problem. If that is the case, short of a miracle in the next term, the country will not be able to mobilize to save itself. It will drown into Mexican mud. Thanks for nothing Trump. m
Or just admit that you are covered from head to toe with “fooled again” awards.
Trump’s betrayal was as inevitable as day following night.
You can only still sell MAGA to to the stupidest acolytes reading OD.
Farm workers have always had legal visas. There are all kinds of legal visa programs in addition to the million green cards that are handed out every year
BTW, this is precisely why I got fed up with wignats conflating 10 to 15 million people flooding across the border in four years with Trump’s immigration policy, which has all but ended illegal immigration
William Shockley, inventor of transistor, was a big advocate for eugenics along with the first & founding president of Stanford, David Starr jordan.
The media has done everything to slander the reputation of both men.
We’re all eugenicists to some degree.
If you want to restrict immigration because you prefer Whites over non-Whites or you want to make miscegenation illegal, you are a eugenicist. The question is how far it should go. My position is that “NS” went way too far and brought the whole way of thinking into disrepute with devastating consequences. It empowered liberals. Hitler lost to liberals.
Ok, but you know that’s not good enough. Trump ran on 3 things: mass deportations, tariffs to protect workers, and peace.
We don’t have mass deportations, he blew the tariffs and it looks like war with Iran is on the horizon.
I get you don’t want to be wrong but can you at least admit the promised golden age isn’t quite what you expected?
@Hunter Wallace,
“My position is that “NS” went way too far and brought the whole way of thinking into disrepute with devastating consequences. It empowered liberals. Hitler lost to liberals.”
This is the best statement so far about WWII. “The Nazis lost to liberals.” But those liberals would be up in arms over present day progressive liberals. These same liberals also supported many aspects of eugenics, as well as a soft racism, and nationalism. So, its not just the fact that Nazis discredited eugenics any more than Nazis discredited freeways, cheap motorcars, physical education, public health, workers compensation, paid family leave, etc.
No, what discredited eugenics was a political coup de etat that occurred around the time of Kennedy and accelerated with the removal of Nixon. My parents remember how literally there were no drugs in 1963, and then in 1965 drugs were everywhere. Crime exploded from like zero to 60. Something happened. That happening also happened to decide eugenics was bad, as was racism, and nationalism, and Protestantism, and Tradition, etc. What happened is a kind of libertarian left take over of world outlook occurred and they’ve retconned WWII to justify their endeavors.
World War II was not simply Nazis vs Liberals. It was Nazis vs Liberals + Conservatives + Zionists + British Imperialists + Bolsheviks + any other anti-nationalist ideologues who could not abide by the sight of a successful goyim nationalist political order. None of them could beat the Third Reich on their own, so they all had to gang up on it.
Didn’t the Third Reich declare war on us? How many countries did Nazi Germany invade or declare war on before getting around to us?
“We ought to change the tax code to discourage barren spinsters”.
Won’t work. The next crazy Democrat President will just let them claim their cats as dependents on their income tax forms.
How do you account for the mule? Charles Darwin wrote: “The mule always appears to me a most surprising animal. That a hybrid should possess more reason, memory, obstinacy, social affection, powers of muscular endurance, and length of life, than either of its parents, seems to indicate that art has here outdone nature.”
@Robert Browning,
“How do you account for the mule? Charles Darwin wrote: “The mule always appears to me a most surprising animal. That a hybrid should possess more reason, memory, obstinacy, social affection, powers of muscular endurance, and length of life, than either of its parents, seems to indicate that art has here outdone nature.””
Damn! Well said Robert Browning. And Coudenhove-Kelurgi also had no children.
@Robert Browning
MULES ARE STERILE!!!
Occidental Dissent is the dunce sitting in the corner wearing a conical hat on the subjects of National Socialism and WWII.
Eugenics was discredited by “NS” and World War II.
Feel free to read any book about the history of eugenics. I have several of them. The same is true of racialism. The very concept of “racism” wasn’t popularized until the war.
Eugenics was discredited by the media’s false narrative of “NS” and World War II.
Humans should not play God because our human nature destines such things to go poorly, since we’re not God. Only God can play God correctly.
Hunter, no one cares about your views on eugenics. talk about trump’s recent comments in favor of amnesty. talk about the immigration generally. people are correctly identifying everything you post as either trump shilling or endlessly complaining about people to the right of you.
What about immigration?
Illegal immigration has never been lower in my lifetime. It is true that deportations are lackluster, but Trump inherited ICE in its current state from Biden. It is up to Congress to fix the problem. As for these people “to my Right,” I assume you are referring to the grifters who voted for Kamala Harris and who live off donations and superchats. They don’t want to solve the problem because there is nothing in it for them.
Eugenics is a tricky concept, with no easy answer. While it is obvious that disgusting practices such as race mixing should be outlawed, as it violates God’s command to honor your fathers and mothers (always properly understood as your entire ancestry), the notion of restricting the blessings of family to only the “best” in IQ, etc, seem ghoulish and demonic to me.
God’s first command to his people after they were cast from the garden was to “Go forth, be fruitful and multiply”. That should always be respected. It’s why barbaric practices like abortion should be outlawed.
I agree.
The idea of testing an embryo and deeming it unworthy of life, not because of some crippling hereditary disease, but because there are more promising candidates or selecting for gender, is PMC culture gone mad. Sorry, darling, but you were never born because you failed your exam and we think you are unworthy of life!
And our knowledge hasn’t reached a point where we can make such fine distinctions. There are many subtle attributes in genes that we don’t understand. We might breed for one positive trait while losing some life essential trait in the process. It happened in 1955, US bred and planted a high yield wheat, but it was hyper vulnerable to mold and we lost most of the wheat crop and had to massively import European wheat.
Just stopping the current trend of dysgenics would do a lot to improve society.
‘Eugenics is a tricky concept, ‘
It can be pragmatic and simple.
We’ve been doing it with wheat, cattle, sheep, dogs and horses for centuries. It doesn’t have to be draconian or cruel or micro-managed, simply encourage the best with motivation.
The jew-tube has given us the most repulsive aspects of good breeding. More mind distortions by false narrative.
The old South was completely Masonic. I was born during the late years of the Byrd machine in Virginia. You couldn’t be anything in Virginia in politics, business, schooling, or even in the Church, unless you were a Mason. It was similar throughout the Old South.
Now that God has Judged and destroyed the Old South for its Judeo Jewish heresy, and the end of it is near, we need to begin clarifying that the New Confederacy will have no Masons. It will be illegal.
Napolean persecuted Masronry. He well knew that all wars in his time were started by Jewish bankers and fought by Masonic officers. The simple Christian foot soldiers were just there to die.
The new Confederacy will only need one religion, Christianity. We will have no need for any Jews or Muslims or Hindus or Mormons and especially no Freemasons. One religion. All the others will be free to move North. That is positive Eugenics. Move the garbage out, and those absurd neopagans included.
@Rangewolf,
“Now that God has Judged and destroyed the Old South for its Judeo Jewish heresy, and the end of it is near, we need to begin clarifying that the New Confederacy will have no Masons. It will be illegal.”
Ahhh, Rangewolf once again reveals his crypto-Papist background. These objectives articulated by Rangewold are the objectives of the Papacy and always has been. Masonry is their third greatest enemy. Their secondary enemy are Britannic people (English, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, etc). British Protestants are the primary enemy and have been since the Reformation. And British Protestant Masons are to be hunted down and exterminated like the Jedi by the Imperial Papacy.
All your inquisitors, whether Grand Mexican pjaggot ones like Nick, or secret jesuits like K.K. will fail. Your masters failed in hunting down all the Templars and will fail in hunting down all the Masons, just as the Emperor Napoleon failed in hunting down the Masons and fictional Emperor Palpatine failed in hunting down the Jedi. They will escape to the desert and begin the fight anew if needed.
https://youtu.be/TWTfhyvzTx0?si=ab8gMyDmXrihv1Wx
However, it is true that the old South and its crippled descendent were and are being destroyed by the Papists like yourself, just because they are British Protestants, and their leaders are Masons (that’s why Hunter isn’t actually a leader yet cuz not a Freemason). Regardless, folks I am glad Rangewold freely admits this is, in fact, what all the Papists are trying to do. So, I rest my case on who the true enemies are in our Southern patriot ecosystem here.
“Napolean persecuted Masronry. He well knew that all wars in his time were started by Jewish bankers and fought by Masonic officers. The simple Christian foot soldiers were just there to die.”
True, Napoleon persecuted Freemasons. He was in fact the original Emperor Palpatine having been a Mason himself, and then turned on them with a vengeance after being crowned in the Papacy. In turn, his Masonic friends like Beethoven turned on him as well. https://youtu.be/OGOIsJec83Q?si=leaEbxRdEQA8s78a
Nonetheless, Napoleon’s neo-Catholic Empire almost overrun all of Europe. Ultimately, Napoleon, the Anti-Mason, betrayed a glorious future conceived by him and his former Masonic brethren. His ego-Romanist Catholic desires crested upon the English Masonic infantry squares. At Waterloo, Napoleon was crushed by the Fremason Duke of Wellington and his Anglo-Dutch Army are Waterloo, and which had many Masons in its ranks as any perusal of memorials and records will show.
https://youtu.be/97dBfdNrf9A?si=z01UPelWAAzCYnpg
“The new Confederacy will only need one religion, Christianity. We will have no need for any Jews or Muslims or Hindus or Mormons and especially no Freemasons. One religion. All the others will be free to move North. That is positive Eugenics. Move the garbage out, and those absurd neopagans included.”
Poor Rangewolf. Your mind has been warped by the Dark side of the Papal Sith Lords. The Christianity you speak of isn’t the True Faith, it is the Kingdom of Heaven, it is the false Kingdom of Popery. It is not the religion of the South and will therefore be rejected. We endeavor to build a Kingdom of Heaven, a Kingdom of Conscious in the South, not a Kingdom of Popery.
https://youtu.be/qoaJCCpo9hU?si=Uqa3vzmaGxanrCM1
Your ilk tried their best to infiltrate and destroy Masons in the GOP and certain States outside of the South. Although damaging, you guys failed, you will fail in the South as well. The Masons haven’t forgotten. Justice will come. When it does, the South will be redeemed and redeemed to its best truest nature, not the twisted dreams of alien religious or political thinkers. I hope you find redemption yourself in the meantime.
Eugenics? What about eugenics? You won’t date a person because unattractive? How dare you, you eugenicist! Won’t date your 1st cousin? Why, what are you, a eugenicist? Want to create a designer baby though? Cool. There’s eugenics and then there is eugenics. In Europe, many countries in the old days had laws governing who could marry whom. That was eugenics. They also were some stipulating a kind of paleo-nationalist, paleo-natalist, paleo-eugenic laws on there rulers, saying foreign princes could not become rulers. Some of customs were modernized for new eras when the common European population started making large contacts with the monkey people. But, it wasn’t the first time. Ask Alexander’s Macedonians.
https://youtu.be/VXfCRAI1-mk?si=9t0I0DPeyMMD599Q
When the old dynasts, if necessary sent out trusted emissaries to search for legal and worthy spouses for their house, the emissaries were usually their most trusted and top spy masters and power brokers. As such, they had inside information on the goings on of the women and men folk of the foreign noble households. With their agents, these emissaries were also able to look at the marriages and ancestry of the potential spouse. They looked for not just correct consuguinity (not too close of cousinhood or incest), but also records of genetic, mental, and moral blemishes in the family lineage. This also was performed in the lower classes, as the middle classes hired expert truth finders to search backgrounds, and in the peasants, the info was found in the church and manor records, which is why the Lord of the Manor could deny a marriage of one of his dependents. Ultimately, present day England, and therefore the US was the creation of this type of old feudal eugenics.
https://youtu.be/pE0jqwttxn8?si=X15pUSxKDICD7HsM
Eugencis gets a bad name because the atheists, socialists, agnostics, and biological determinists, tyrants one and all, thought of using the state to coerce and manage the populations fecundity beyond all previous excepted norms of morality and political liberty. WWII is often cited as the defeat of these barbarians, cuz Nazis smashed or something. But, in fact, aspects, if not most aspects of Nazi eugenics were practiced by the Western allies. They continued to practiced up until the 1970s in some areas. So, eugenicphobia is really a recent development. Ironically, still when discussing it, they can’t talk about it without talking about the real underlining societal problems which encouraged the policy to begin with.
https://youtu.be/Qsg5IwYRw9A?si=qG5TaiB3DdmMWidU
Given the history of private, feudal, noble, and even contemporary practices of eugenics, how come it is so verboten? This seems less a reaction to Nazi eugenics and WWII, than a retconning of WWII mythos long after it occurred to justify a kind of libertarian left outlook on the world. Trying to outargue this outlook cuz Nazis good actually, is beyond stupid. The fact is many programs of Western Allies’ eugenics were just plain wrong. They were rooted in their own form of tyranny which was shared with the Nazis. Unlike the Nazis they never made it a state religion thoigh. In the post cold War era most of Western leaders realized their mistake and returned to a more liberal outlook on rights. However, this doesn’t make the libertarian left correct. Somewhere in the middle is the right approach, the Christian approach.
Busing was one of the biggest efforts by zog to encourage dysgenics, that failed, so now they are using multiple other means to encourage it.
Probably the most destructive method is by destroying all WHITE-only associations, clubs, charities, scholarships, schools, housing etc.
This is an opinion-irrelevant issue, like the spred of automobiles or electrical power or internet. It will happen and happen to its fullest whatever anybody thinks about it. If your grandkids don’t GE their kids then they will be overtaken by those who do, and those who go all out on GE will overtake those who merely dabble. Fr example, what do we do when rich Chinese start pumping out 200 IQ kids in the ten-thousands? Cry “It’s unChristian and anti-egalitarian!”? I really hope not.