I’m going to respond directly to this comment.
“NS” types seem to come here every single day to ask for this debate. So lets have it.
“Anyone with half a brain can see that national socialism and Trumpism are and must be opposed.”
I fully agree.
MAGA is a political movement.
MAGA has achieved considerable political success.
In this sense, “NS” couldn’t be more different than MAGA. “NS” isn’t a political movement. There are no “NS” candidates. There are no “NS” campaigns. There aren’t any “NS” organizations. Instead, “NS” is focused on convincing Americans NOT to engage in politics, or to support the Left. It is a nihilistic subculture that is focused entirely on losing at politics, business, relationships, life, etc.
I’ve gone out of my way to emphasize that “NS” claims to be associated with Hitler and historic National Socialism, but that it strikes me as having little in common with the original movement. I will repeat again that the “NS” fandom as it exists in America has nothing to do with Germany under National Socialism.
“National socialism creates a Volksgemeinschaft by breaking down sectarian and class barriers. Trumpism turns whites against one another based on class and religion.”
Is this true?
Does “NS” present itself as a White American folk movement? Is it an American nationalist movement? Does it romanticize American culture? Does it use American symbols?
No, that is far more true of MAGA. “NS” is deeply anti-American. It spurns American symbols. It denigrates American culture. “NS” podcasters tend to look down on Americans as whiteoids, rubes, creekshitters, etc. It is a “nationalist” movement for alienated, antisocial weirdos who dislike their nation.
It is Trumpism that resonates with White people of all classes. The majority of the White working class and White middle class voted for Trump. Lots of wealthy White people supported Trump. A majority of White men and White women voted for Trump. In contrast, “NS” appeals to a much narrower demographic … single childless men who are overwhelmingly secular or pagan, many of whom are deeply anti-Christian, who are miserable, socialized by internet ghettoes and who have lost touch with reality.
“National socialism practices kindness to animals. Trumpists ban lab-grown meat so that farmers can make a cheap buck from slaughtering animals. …”
Well, I guess it is true that MAGA isn’t trying to impose veganism on White people, but this only goes to show how weird and bizarre “NS” has become that it speaks to people like that. “NS” strongly appeals to conspiracy theorists, criminals, cranks, weirdos, sociopaths, antisocial contrarians, etc.
“National socialism is a modern, scientific movement that advocates for eugenics. Trumpism embraces backward anti-scientific ideas and opposes eugenics. …”
MAGA appeals to White families who actually have children.
“NS” appeals to bitter single White men who are divorced or childless. It appeals to incels. It appeals to people who are not married and who are unsuccessful in relationships. I don’t see people who are “NS” reproducing which is why I tend to discount their opinions on eugenics.
“National socialism promotes physical fitness and healthy living through institutions like the Hitler Youth. Trumpism has no such institutions, instead selling the false promise of “MAHA.”
“NS” has nothing to do with historic National Socialism or the Hitler Youth.
When Americans think of “NS,” they think of LARPing wignat groups like Blood Tribe screaming on Main Street. They think of Handsome Truth screaming at teenage girls on Omegle.
“Trumpism lies to whites, promising them a paradise and delivering a desert.”
MAGA is in power because it is a political movement that has embraced popular causes which it rode to victory. In contrast, “NS” bizarrely presents itself to White people as a force that supports Antifa, which supports putting the Left in power to make life more miserable for White America.
“National socialism is the answer.”
“NS” appeals to antisocial weirdos.
I can’t think of anything that better summarizes the state of the “movement” than the recent contrarian embrace of Antifa. It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that “NS” will shift into whatever shape is required to stay fringe, weird, marginalized and politically toxic to White people. It rejects popular causes in favor of appealing to the most loathsome White people in America.
Note: I should emphasize here that I think people who are already antisocial misfits are drawn to “NS” because it is taboo and because they want to be shocking. They want to give society a middle finger. That’s the impulse and mindset behind it. This explains the goon march theatrics which is entirely about self expression and how it makes the people doing it feel. The goal is not to win over the masses, organize or achieve political power. “NS” is an apolitical or anti-political fandom that rejects politics.
There is a genuine NS movement on Gab. No one speaks or has the opinions you allege they do. Which makes me wonder, how do you ge the idea NS people think as you think they do?
Perhaps if people are messaging you directly, they simply aren’t the example of the movement you think they are.
You say so yourself – the people you are referring to do not seem to connect with Hitler’s original thoughts and movement, and well, if that is the case, they are not genuine NS, so shouldn’t be referred to as that.
And such people have a name “Neo-Nazis” if you like. Those that align with a caricature, not the real thing.
You’ll know a real National Socialist when you find a person whose guiding light is that they support what is good for White people, and do not support what is not. This allows a figure like Trump to be supported for the good he does, and for him to be held accountable for the bad.
How that nets out with ‘MAGA’ will find a range of opinions, but that is what we would expect for a movement that gains some wins for White people on the one hand, but still replaces Whites via mass legal migration on the other, and who offers slavish service to Jews every second of the day, which may or may not yet send millions of Whites to die in their service.
National Socialism and National Socialists are not positioned to win the day at this point, or for the forseeable future, you have that correct, but this does not mean that National Socialists and National Socialism do not have a lot to offer pro-White movements that are more likely to find immediate success.
Truth about ww2 and Hitler have immense power to ‘free’ the White race, and it is important truth in these areas are advanced to help us Whites recover ourselves and our self belieft.. to know “who we are” as we are not the monsters propganda made us out to be. But similarly, National Socialists can talk to how dangerous Jews are, and how much damage Jews and diversity do to sustainable White existence. How important it is that we have laws, procedures, economics, politics, media and so on in place to make sure, as we regain ourselves and our lands, we don’t leave ourselves open to repeat the mistakes of the past.
You do undertstand simply recovering White lands, but leaving Jews and diverity unrestricted inside of them is not going to do enough to secure the future of Whites right? The ideas and understandings of National Socialism will be on hand for those times via their being kept alive, and gaining adherents over time. That isn’t to say National Socialsits will write the future, or secure it, or people will live under such a system. But if we take important pieces from it, that are compatible with broader White Nationalist ideas, then we can be all the stronger for it.
Genuine National Socialists are not “National Socialism or bust”, we are “lets save the White race under any and all banners that can do so”, that are in alignment with the spirt of our people, that do not hang our people out to dry.
I’m responding to the “NS” activists who I see every day in this website, X, Telegram and various other platforms. I’m not commenting on Germany in the early 20th century. These people are virtually all Americans.
>No, that is far more true of MAGA. “NS” is deeply anti-American. It spurns American symbols. It denigrates American culture. “NS” podcasters tend to look down on Americans as whiteoids, rubes, creekshitters, etc. It is a “nationalist” movement for alienated, antisocial weirdos who dislike their nation.
National socialism denigrates those parts of American culture that are degenerate. When Hitler took power, he burned degenerate books, not just those written by Jews, because he understood that building the Volksgemeinschaft meant rooting out degeneracy. National socialism is a patriotic movement in so far as Americanism means white race purity, manly pride, responsible gun ownership, the pioneering spirit, scientific excellence, freedom from state churches, anti-monarchism and traditional family values. If Americanism means junk food, Judeo-Christianity, and race mixing, national socialism will be anti-American and rightly so.
>Well, I guess it is true that MAGA isn’t trying to impose veganism on White people, but this only goes to show how weird and bizarre “NS” has become that it speaks to people like that. “NS” strongly appeals to conspiracy theorists, criminals, cranks, weirdos, sociopaths, antisocial contrarians, etc.
Become? Animal welfare has always been part of the national socialist worldview. Hitler never forced anyone to be a vegetarian, but he advocated voluntary vegetarianism and would be horrified with bans on lab-grown meant.
>“NS” appeals to bitter single White men who are divorced or childless. It appeals to incels. It appeals to people who are not married and who are unsuccessful in relationships. I don’t see people who are “NS” reproducing which is why I tend to discount their opinions on eugenics.
Most divorced men have children, which is it, are we bitter divorced men or not reproducing? To the extent that there is truth in your accusation, it is the fault of feminism and Judeo-Christianity teaching women to hate their race.
“National socialism denigrates those parts of American culture that are degenerate.”
Does anyone else see the irony of a bunch of “NS” weirdos like Handsome Truth who is known for chatting with teenage girls on Omegle attacking normal White middle class people who are married and have children and who own their own businesses? Many of these “NS” groups even overlap with Satanists. The troon shooter in Minneapolis who attacked that Catholic Church had shoutouts to Robert Bowers and Brenton Tarrant on his rifle.
“When Hitler took power, he burned degenerate books, not just those written by Jews, because he understood that building the Volksgemeinschaft meant rooting out degeneracy.”
Hitler banned Antifa, put them in Buchenwald, participated in and won elections, purged his own party of leftist weirdos like Ernst Roehm and came to power by forging an alliance with conservatives. How is this like what calls itself “NS”? The main reason Hitler came to power is because Germans feared and hated communists. Also, it is MAGA which has banned degenerate LGBTQ books from public libraries.
“Most divorced men have children, which is it, are we bitter divorced men or not reproducing? To the extent that there is truth in your accusation, it is the fault of feminism and Judeo-Christianity teaching women to hate their race.”
Women and children are largely absent from your “Volksgemeinschaft.”
Virtually all White people with normal personality types are absent too. “NS” is overwhelmingly single, childless, deeply alienated and embittered men who are not Christians.
“National socialism is a patriotic movement in so far as Americanism means white race purity, manly pride, responsible gun ownership, the pioneering spirit, scientific excellence, freedom from state churches, anti-monarchism and traditional family values. If Americanism means junk food, Judeo-Christianity, and race mixing, national socialism will be anti-American and rightly so. ..”
Historic National Socialism which placed “Germany over all” was a patriotic and nationalist movement. “NS” is the exact opposite. It is anti-American, anti-patriotic, anti-nationalist. “NS” activists support Third Worldism. “NS” has more in common with snarky American hipsters who look down their noses at other Americans than National Socialism as it existed in Germany.
“Become? Animal welfare has always been part of the national socialist worldview. Hitler never forced anyone to be a vegetarian, but he advocated voluntary vegetarianism and would be horrified with bans on lab-grown meant.”
Hitler wanting Germans to quit eating meat and defining his political movement in those terms is another thing that never happened. “NS” is a largely American movement that attracts weirdos.
>Does anyone else see the irony of a bunch of “NS” weirdos like Handsome Truth who is known for chatting with teenage girls on Omegle
If he did do that I disapprove. He’d hardly be the first, remember “Christian” Roy Moore?
> Many of these “NS” groups even overlap with Satanists.
National socialism is a modern, scientific movement that does not require adherence to any creed. This was the case under Adolf Hitler, when pagans, Protestants, and Catholics were all part of the national socialist movement.
>“NS” has more in common with snarky American hipsters who look down their noses at other Americans than National Socialism as it existed in Germany.
Adolf Hitler required all men to join the Army, boys to join the Hitler Youth, and girls to join the League of German Girls, where physical fitness was required. He led the world’s first anti-smoking campaign. Alcoholics were required to get treatment. What national socialists say about Americans may be harsh, but it is necessary, Americans will ultimately thank us.
>Hitler wanting Germans to quit eating meat and defining his political movement in those terms is another thing that never happened.
It is undisputed that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, and that, while he served meat to others, he often urged them to become vegetarians and described the cruelty of animal slaughter. He never advocated for compulsory vegetarianism, but humane treatment of animals was part of the movement from the beginning and was put into place in the form of animal welfare laws after the takeover of power.
>Does anyone else see the irony of a bunch of “NS” weirdos like Handsome Truth who is known for chatting with teenage girls on Omegle
David Lane, one of key figures in American “NS,” wrote extensively about his attraction to underage girls. He was sexually attracted to the Prussian Blue twins in their youth. Kevin Alfred Strom of the National Alliance and later National Vanguard also pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography. He was attracted to “nymphs.” If I remember correctly, he used to take photos of young girls and it was his wife who turned him in.
National socialism is a modern, scientific movement that does not require adherence to any creed. This was the case under Adolf Hitler, when pagans, Protestants, and Catholics were all part of the national socialist movement.
Historic National Socialism and “NS” are completely different things.
Yes, it is true that Christians supported Hitler and voted for Hitler. It is also true that American “NS” types like Adam Green and Blackpilled were streaming on Rumble attacking Christians while you were writing that which they do every day. “NS” is a deeply anti-Christian movement that overlaps with Satanic wignat groups like the Order of the Nine Angles.
“Adolf Hitler required all men to join the Army, boys to join the Hitler Youth, and girls to join the League of German Girls, where physical fitness was required. He led the world’s first anti-smoking campaign. Alcoholics were required to get treatment. What national socialists say about Americans may be harsh, but it is necessary, Americans will ultimately thank us.”
I’ve known plenty of “NS” alcoholics like Glenn Miller.
“It is undisputed that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, and that, while he served meat to others, he often urged them to become vegetarians and described the cruelty of animal slaughter. He never advocated for compulsory vegetarianism, but humane treatment of animals was part of the movement from the beginning and was put into place in the form of animal welfare laws after the takeover of power.”
There is nothing particularly “NS” about liking cute animals.
Did you watch the last election? Remember Peanut the MAGA squirrel? Haitians eating dogs and cats in Springfield?
“Trumpism” is just as irrelevant NS.
Trump is an opportunist. He only ever does the right thing in response to grassroots pressure for him to conform to Pat Buchanan’s America First platform.
We should constantly be applying pressure for Trump and the Republicans to move further in the direction of America First (immigration restriction, non-interventionist foreign policy, and cultural conservatism).
We should support the best America First politicians (Thomas Massie, MTG) and pundits (Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Matt Gaetz), and we should push them further in the direction of America First.
Get real.
Trump and MAGA control the White House, Congress, Supreme Court, over half the states. Tens of millions of White people voted for Trump. The majority of the White working class and White middle class supported Trump. MAGA is currently reshaping everything from the military to the universities to late night comedy.
“NS” is a tiny internet subculture of weirdos who don’t want to even engage in politics. Many of these people spend all their time bashing White women and Christians. They are known for Spiderman marches. These two things are not alike!
And the jews control Trump and MAGA control the White House, Congress, Supreme Court and everything else. I don’t think too many people are getting what they hoped for if Trump got in. He’s running a close tie with Hunter Biden. He is worthless. Things are getting worse, because the agenda is the jews’ agenda, that is, to destroy America, and they’re doing a great job of it. I don’t know anything about your internet NS or what they’re preaching, but The bottom line of National Socialism is really quite simple — Are you for the betterment of your country? Are you for your people? Are you for equality under the law of your own people in their own nation or, instead, are you for what National Socialists are against: the empowerment of minorities receiving special rights and privileges depending on their “victim” status, domestic and foreign, over White Europeans in nations they created?
Are you for self determination for your own White European people? National Socialists emphatically are, and all the following: Are you for the natural right to defend yourself, therefore, gun ownership? Are you for family — your family and it’s security — a safe place to raise your children? Are you for regulated borders and strictly enforced immigration laws? Are you for property ownership? Are you against foreign peoples illegally entering your country committing violence, discriminating against your people and finally driving your country into bankruptcy by your corrupt government taking from you to give to them?
There is no National Socialist Movement. This is true, because there are no NS campaigns, think tanks, or political leaders. There are people who discuss and believe in National Socialist ideology and Hitlerian policies. This is definitely true, because we know some of these true believer NSers meet in online forums or perhaps in a blue moon in person over a beer. There are the Larpers, who like to graffitti Hunter’s website. The misfits who feel empowered by liberal society’s self expression mantra to be angry and shocking a-holes. Finally, there are “The Others.” These ones are very dangerous. They are in power. They are advancing NS all day every day in globalist instituons. Most of them are concentrated in the EU. So, to be factual, National Socialism has skin suited into something outwardly different but is alive and well.
Indeed, the EU is itself a Hitlerian project. This project is found in the economic and technocratic monopolies of the EU such as the original European Coal and Steel Community. The later owed its genesis i. studies by Vichy France and Nazi Germany. NS is found n the running of society by administrative unaccountable bureaucrats. It is astounding that so many different national elitists and their civil servants could be so coordinated.
In fact, these “unaccountable” bureaucrats do seem to march in lock step taking orders from something. They do seem to be accountable to some clandestine party, a party that is whispered to be called The International. In turn, this party is itself a party run by a central committee of Papist oligarchs. Ian Paisley who railed against this network in Ulster and the EU said it was distinctly a Papist conspiracy. Others say it’s an international intersection fascist group, or the European Illumanati.
The tentacles, however, all seem to originate toward Rome and Catholic elite. Given thet so many Nazis were Papists, and most of those who escaped went thru Papist rat lines, a merging of Nazis with the Papacy and in turn disseminating out toward fellow elite Papists is the most plausible origin for how Nazi policies are actually alive in kicking throughout Europe to this day.
The only difference between these Neo-Nazis in the EU and the original Nazis is the public promotion of White racialism, especially Aryanism. The EU positively works to import non-Whites into the EU. But does this suspected elite clandestine neo nazi grouo promote that within their group? Or are they using non-Whites like Hitler used non-Whites such as the Moslem brotherhood and the founders of the Algerian FLN to strike against their opponents, the resistant Patriot communities and nations within the EU? Also, didn’t Hitler bring in non-Whites to work in German industry during WWII too? So, really how different are the present neo-Nazis in the EU from the old Nazis?
It’s clear many of the tenants that Hitler proposed and even implemented in Europe are now promoted and carried out by the EU. In fact, Germany itself is the center piece of the EU just like Hitler wanted. The difference is in the fact there is of yet, no clear uniform wearing by the elite, no clear militarism of society, and no clear genetic eugenic policy by the EU. It’s entirely true it might never happen.
The reasons for why that might occurr or not are debatable. But what aren’t debatable are the facts that National Socialist policies are alive and kicking in the EU and elsewhere in the globalist system. It’s just the autists never got the memo and without some elite uniformed leadership guiding them, they feel forced into larping like retards or retreating into silent bookish online discussion groups. But don’t worry, I am sure the ghost of Uncle AH is watching and ready to reward you with service on the Eastern Front or at one of the camps in the future if you wait long enough.
Well, such a sick/mentally ill kind of sh*t is in truth the mega-perverted exact opposite of national socialst ideals by the dregs of the population, the presumptuous appropriation of an ideology that such people would have rendered harmless through castration. In the Third Reich, this scum would have been sent to prison, the madhouse, and/or a labor/re-education camp for a long time for presumptuously defiling and desecrating national symbols. There were strict laws against this.
I agree that today’s national socialists are people looking for shock value and I don’t think they understand different ideologies. Because, Hitler may have lead the national socialist party but he was more of a fascist with greater emphasis on racialism than Mussolini than a nationalist and a socialist. People who actually believed in national socialism got purged. Hitler purged the German left, but then the Russian left took care of Hitler. Hitler would have purged today’s “ns.” Having said that, I support Hitler’s demise.
I agree.
It is people who are naturally antisocial and who are going for shock value who collect under the banner of “NS.” They are attracted to it because it is taboo. Hitler was a political organizer and the leader of a political party that sought and achieved political power. These people have much more in common with Charles Manson.
The funny thing is that taken literally, I am a socialist with more nationalist leanings than most socialists. However, I’m not an idiot, and I know Hitler’s beliefs don’t match mine and I would have been on his purge list.
I’m not of German ancestry, but if I was, I probably would have get purged with the SA.
You actually care about economic policy.
We can have a rational discussion about taxes, economics, health care, etc. We probably agree on more than we disagree. “NS” is not motivated by economics so much as it is being reflexively weird, antisocial, contrarian, etc.
On another note, Stalin comes off a bit idiotic because he saw leftists get purged from NS, praised it, and then Hitler just turned on him. Like Stalin should have seen the night of the long knives as a warning, not something to congratulate Hitler on for “being ruthless.”
….and poor.
It’s not you against national socialism. It’s you against another set of millennial lead losers. How many genxers are in blood tribe?lol Does putting down a millennial loser make you a winner? There was nothing wrong with people engaging in politics in 2008 against using tax payer money to support billionaires. Then the millennial lead white nationalist losers came along and let them off the hook. Great job at winning. You’ve exposed blood tribe and now we are all better off.
I’m not sure what the 2008 financial crash or greedy billionaires has anything to do with what I said above. That’s not the issue here
Handsome Truth is a contrarian, but his show is hilarious.
I’m not a fan.
I have seen clips of him saying weird, inappropriate things to teenage girls. He is a grown man. He doesn’t act like it.
>MAGA is in power because it is a political movement that has embraced popular causes which it rode to victory.
It will not retain itself in power unless it can deliver real solutions, which it cannot do. Voters will realize that only national socialism can deliver.
“It will not retain itself in power unless it can deliver real solutions, which it cannot do. Voters will realize that only national socialism can deliver.”
“NS” by definition cannot be associated with popular causes because the constituency for it are people who suffer from antisocial personality disorder. Crushing Antifa is extremely popular on the Right and with about 2/3rds of the country. That’s what provoked this entire discussion. “NS” types embraced Antifa and rushed to their defense precisely because it was the antisocial thing to do.