Nothing evokes an eyeroll in many WN circles quicker than mentioning Christian Identity. Their peculiar interpretation of the Christian Bible strikes those of us indoctrinated in the secular and evolutionary worldview as downright bizarre. After all, their theorized creation scenarios are completely incompatible with the synthesis emerging from a variety of scientific fields. They’re incorrect. I fully agree that they’re incorrect, but I believe a bit of humility, perspective, and respect is appropriate.
After all, there is more than one way to be incorrect, and I assert that we secular evolutionists are less correct in the aggregate than Christian Identity adherents and Kinists. I’ll attempt to convey what I mean with an allegory…
Two neighbors, Jethro and Ted, are planting a garden. Jethro is a semi-literate hillbilly from deep in the darkest hollers of Appalachia and Ted has a master’s degree in biology. Jethro’s garden is growing a variety of vegetables while Ted’s garden is barren. The two neighbors are leaning over the fence after a long Saturday out in the garden when Ted pushes his glasses up his nose and asks Jethro what his technique is.
Jethro hooks his thumbs in the suspenders of his overalls and peers up toward the sky, his overbite exaggerated by his expression of stupefied wonder as he declares slowly and solemnly, “My secret, Ted, is that I plant by the signs.”
Ted reaches for the Blackberry on his hip to start typing out notes, “Signs? What signs are you talking about, Jethro?”
“You know, Ted. Astrological signs…signs in the stars.”
Ted slaps his forehead and snaps his Blackberry back in its holster. “Jethro, you inbred jack***. Doing anything ‘by the signs’ is superstitious bull****! You voted for Sarah Palin, didn’t you? You’re probably all hopped up on Christ-insanity, too!”
Ted shakes his head in disbelief and goes back to his study to complete his essay entitled “The Big Expert’s Guide to Gardening” and write some notes for an upcoming seminar for his “Gardening Vanguard” group.
As long as Christian Identity adherents and similar groups are exhibiting high birthrates, effectively indoctrinating their offspring with an affirmative White identity, and defying the strong pull of modernity, then aren’t they more correct, in the aggregate, than secular evolutionists? If you were really serious about learning how to garden, who would you emulate, Jethro or Ted? Neither? Both?
The Christians around here seem to believe food comes from Super Wal-Mart. My father has been an organic gardener for decades. He is an atheist with a degree in marine biology.
The pseudo-Christians are far more numerous than atheists/agnostics, mainline Protestants, or Evangelicals. If you ask them about Jesus, they will give you the usual spiel about how he is the Son of God, but otherwise they know little about their own religion.
These people don’t go to church. There isn’t the slightest trace of Christianity in their lives. They get their morals from movies and television.
As long as Christian Identity adherents and similar groups are exhibiting high birthrates, effectively indoctrinating their offspring with an affirmative White identity, and defying the strong pull of modernity, then aren’t they more correct, in the aggregate, than secular evolutionists?
“Correct” as to what? How evolution works and accounts for the origin of species? Or correct as to how to make evolution work for one’s philosophical agenda? Two different things. Science vs. engineering.
NeoNietzsche
“Correct” as to what? How evolution works and accounts for the origin of species? Or correct as to how to make evolution work for one’s philosophical agenda?
Correct as to whites surviving as a race. If Christian Identity can save the white race I’ll say I believe in it. But I’m more impressed with Mormonism’s numbers.
@Hunter
Agreed. I’m not attempting to defend contemporary mainstream Christianity.
@NeoNietzsche
Hopefully being correct and being functional aren’t mutually exclusive, though they appear to be at present. Perhaps the riddle awaits a synthesis in which the traditional and the empirical can be reconciled. Perhaps, as some have suggested, knowledge of the true nature of things is innately adaptively inferior to a more functional illusion. I don’t know.
You are supposed to plant certain things in certain moon cycles. I forget what, I have to look it up every spring. So Jethro isn’t that far off, and if Ted was a serious horticulturist, he’d have known about it too.
As an article in TOO said recently, when I was in college I thought believing in God was more important than going to church. Now I think that going to church is more important than believing in God.
I’m more Protestant than Catholic, but even I think it’s often more helpful to think of Christianity as an institution rather than a belief. By the end of classical Greece and Rome, no one *literally* believed in Zeus anymore, but it was still a useful allegory and cultural heritage. Just go to church sometime, it’s two hours on a Sunday, and you have brunch with the folks afterward. Religion is a cultural institution in American society that is tax free and has strong Constitutional protections from government interference. TULIP Calvinism neatly solves the problem of evil and even promotes a sort-of social Darwinism. Plus … no Jews.
Aside from NeoNietzsche and his Zoroastrianism explanations, the rest of secular WN, at least the anti-Christian faction, really doesn’t have a clue about the origins of Christianity, and as someone well versed in the historical side, it makes me cringe to see their ridiculous explanations. (R. Oliver’s stuff is simply false and modern scholarship shows it)
Here’s a hint – Christianity stopped Judaism from converting and circumcising Europe for 2000 years. Paul was probably not circumcised, didn’t eat kosher, and the Jews at the time didn’t really consider him a “born Jew” (a half-breed at most, he was a nephew of Herod). If it wasn’t for Christianity, Europe would have become basically proto-Muslim by 400 AD. Christianity also ended the pederasty of the classical era, threatening them with death unless they turned “celibate” hence a lot of its popular appeal (who wants to be a slave of homosexual pederasts?)
Protestant churches are to this day the most segregated institution in society. The Christian school movement was a crypto withdraw from desegregated public schools. Liberals open up UU churches in some of the most conservative areas on the country and no one bats an eye, because while no one knows UU “theology” (there is, at most, one god) everybody understands what a “church” is.
Come on people you really can’t figure this stuff out?
Also, you know the story of Jesus and the boat? It’s a garbled account of a teaching method of geometry.
Two things were emphasized by Jesus.
1) First, love. Without love there can be neither wisdom or religion.
2) Secondly, he taught the immanence of the Kingdom of heaven which is to be found only within Man himself: Tat Tvam Asi.
Schopenhauer noted that Christianity was Aryan when rooted in the Vedic, and jewish as much as it is rooted in the Old Testament. He prophesized the ultimate triumph of materialism and this was based in his own experience, his work had been rejected in his lifetime. And Christianity has indeed morphed into Materialism – Judeo-Christianity. Old Testament Judeo-Christianity has left the Vedic, the Aryan, far behind. This leads to crass Materialism which ends in a whip culture that thrives on contempt for Man, body and soul. Materialism is political monism and it exists to benefit the excessive power and privilege of a few and oppression for millions.
There are three moral and political intoxicants in Judaism.
1) First, the promise made by Jehovah, by God, that he would exalt jews above all nations and they are to be destined for world Empire. They are to have dominion over all other nations and will rule the world.
2) Secondly, the conviction that jews are God’s chosen people. Jehovah, or Yahweh, who was at first regarded as the greatest of many tribal deities was at some point proclaimed to be the God of all God’s, one and only. It took centuries to realize but when it finally materialized, so did the idea that jews were the chosen people.
3) Third and finally, a great Messiah would appear to lead these chosen people to a full realization of all promised.
It is not difficult to see he jewish influence on the modern American Judeo-Christian. Dominionist Christians in particular.
Is this a new evolution of Christianity or is it mid-evil?
European Christianity on the other hand, was not only rooted in the Vedic, as a study of the many mystics and Saints tell us but the break down of interpretation that exploded with the Reformation and what emerged was a very different Christianity in Italy from that of Germany and England. There was no unified idea of Christianity in Europe and its myth was left behind long ago as the history European art and science proves.
2) Secondly, he taught the immanence of the Kingdom of heaven which is to be found only within Man himself: Tat Tvam Asi.
Hmmn.
1 As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!” 2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone will be left upon another which will not be torn down.”
3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew were questioning Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?” 5 And Jesus began to say to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 6 “Many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He!’ and will mislead many. 7 “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be frightened; those things must take place; but that is not yet the end. 8 “For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will also be famines. These things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
9 “But be on your guard; for they will deliver you to the courts, and you will be flogged in the synagogues, and you will stand before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them. 10 “The gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11 “When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit. 12 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 13 “You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
14 “But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 15 “The one who is on the housetop must not go down, or go in to get anything out of his house; 16 and the one who is in the field must not turn back to get his coat. 17 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 18 “But pray that it may not happen in the winter. 19 “For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will. 20 “Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. 21 “And then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ’; or, ‘Behold, He is there’; do not believe him; 22 for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 “But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.
The Return of Christ
24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, 25 AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 “Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27 “And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
28 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 “Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 30 “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 31 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 32 “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
33 “Take heed, keep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time will come. 34 “It is like a man away on a journey, who upon leaving his house and putting his slaves in charge, assigning to each one his task, also commanded the doorkeeper to stay on the alert. 35 “Therefore, be on the alert—for you do not know when the master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning— 36 in case he should come suddenly and find you asleep. 37 “What I say to you I say to all, ‘Be on the alert!’”
Sounds like a very exterior affair.
OldRight
A Baptist-Mormon alliance in the South and the West is literally half the battle. It seems so easy and so obvious. In fact, it’s already mainstream. Why are people complaining? Just outright ignorance of the facts on the ground? It’s like free money.
Do they have to have it spelled out slowly?
Agnew was known for his scathing criticisms of political opponents, especially journalists and anti-war activists. He attacked his adversaries with relish, hurling unusual, often alliterative epithets — some of which were coined by White House speechwriters William Safire and Pat Buchanan — including “pusillanimous pussyfooters”, “nattering nabobs of negativism” (written by Safire), and “hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history”.[5] He once described a group of opponents as “an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew
When a pretty girls winks at them, autistic White nerds start imagining graphs and statistics about social signals, body language, and compares various social indicators to determine what the possible intent behind the wink actually means.
Other White men get a date. Did you know that the astrological sign of Virgo is based on the Greek god Zeus? And the constellation of Aquila? The month of August? My favorite Bible verse is 1 Corinthians 13:11.
W. T. Mann: “As an article in TOO said recently…”
Which one?
” when I was in college I thought believing in God was more important than going to church. Now I think that going to church is more important than believing in God. “
Pope Benedict XVI said something related to what you say. I think he said people need not be firm believers to go to church.
Dang it all. Here I thought I stumbled on to a decent WN website only to find its littered with evilutionary liberals. The single greatest accomplishment of the enemies of this country have been to distance man from God. Once that is accomplished, by many methods but primarily trying to discredit the word of God at its very beginning, ie creating vs evilution, man is no longer driven to uphold absolute truths. Silly little truths like men are created free and equal and all that ignorance, can easily be disregarded now that man is taught to uphold the will of the State and not of God.
No WN movement will ever advance out of moms basement as long as it refuses to rely on God for its direction, sustenance and fulfillment.
Aleksander Solzhenitsyn “Men Have Forgotten God” – The Templeon Address says:
“More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.
Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” …….”It was Dostoevsky, once again, who drew from the French Revolution and its seeming hatred of the Church the lesson that “revolution must necessarily begin with atheism.” That is absolutely true. But the world had never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized, and tenaciously malevolent as that practiced by Marxism. Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin, and at the heart of their psychology, hatred of God is the principal driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot.”
http://www.roca.org/OA/36/36h.htm
So if its chaos, death and anarchy you want, by all means emulate Ted.
If its the America of our fathers you want, emulate Jesus.
“So if its chaos, death and anarchy you want, by all means emulate Ted.
If its the America of our fathers you want, emulate Jesus.”
Jesus was a pacifist and a universalist. The New Testament doesn’t provide us with marching orders for getting out of our predicament. More than the church, I think what we really need is our old Merovingian savagery.
@Randy
Wasn’t the Merovingian dynasty the very quintessence of European Christianity in its most bold and poetic form?
Wikitopian
Yes it was.
There are two groups against Christianity, Jews and homosexuals. Christian culture creates a social order that excludes, as much as possible, both of those groups.
There is probably some genetic factor I don’t understand. As a non-hateful person, I don’t bother people who stick to themselves. But in nearly all cases, those who are against Christianity are usually either Jews or Gays.
They are “not us.” There are practical reasons why Christian societies exclude them, and practical reasons why they object. Why wouldn’t they? Why wouldn’t we?
Hollywood in Los Angeles is a perfect example of a society controlled by Jews and Gays. Do you like Hollywood?
There are no anti-Christian posts on OD. There are several pro-Christian posts. Wikitopian has two of them.
For good to win Ragnarokk, Odin (Wotan) needed soldiers. And in order to get soldiers, he created white people in his image, and let them do war with eachother continously, so that the bravest could be found and selected.
It’s not so much that liberals have rejected Christianity; it’s that they have co-opted God and taken over the churches in pursuit of their agenda. As I have said before, the most liberal Whites I have met invariably are Christians (usually Protestants).
I have social, theological, and cultural reservations about making common vcause with Mormons and low-church Christians such as Baptists.
Traditional Catholicism, Byzantine Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy present more serious challenges to the modern order.
Admiral
I’m open to Eastern Orthodox/Byzantine, but what do you have against “low church” specifically? Not enough fag/celibate priests?
Admiral,
Expand on your objection to the Mormons, too, please.
I have a couple of gold tablets I dug up in the backyard I would be happy to sell you.
Further to The Admiral #22, check out the ELCA’s position paper on race (the ELCA is the U.S.’s biggest Lutheran denomination) which I posted in a comment at MR.com:
http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/garrison_keillor_whats_got_into_you/#c86524 .
You will not believe our eyes reading this thing, going carefully line-by-line. It reads like something straight out of the Bolshevik Party Terror Handbook of the 1920s and 30s.
CvH lived with the Mormons a year, got to know them well, and says they maintain a pretty healthy attitude on race.
The only reason why I don’t bother denouncing Christianity is because, for most of its history, it seemed to borrow heavily from Platonism. (I.e., a belief in the importance of eternal “forms,” objective existence of good/evil, a clear path of living, etc.)
Scrooby,
Do you take Big Von seriously?
How do I submit an article to OD?
Email it to me at prozium1984@yahoo.com
How many CI are there in the whole of the USA? How many of them aren’t in prison? Seriously, CI is a small group of very marginal people.
How many CI are there in the whole of the USA? How many of them aren’t in prison? Seriously, CI is a small group of very marginal people.
Kinists had a “test” case already with a member of an OPC being brought before a Session and questioned. His views were not deemed heretical.
It’s a start.
ATBOTL,
I can’t speak for the rest of the country, but here in the Midwest they’re nearly the most numerous and by far the most active and organized of any explicitly White group. They have their own brick ‘n mortar church buildings, work when others merely talk, and don’t all fit the stereotype.
Pastor Lindstedt is out there, PBUH, but the ones I’ve met don’t sound like he does. Kinist sites like SpiritWaterBlood and Cambria Will Not Yield are intelligent and indispensable, in my opinion.
Good allegory, but people don’t actually plant “by the signs” — they plant by the phases of the Moon, which is an ancient practice that has been use in for thousands of years. The various ‘Farmer’s Almanacs’ which are still released yearly focus on this.
The lore goes that it is often best to plant certain crops about a week or so after the New Moon, because everything is on the ‘upswing’ in waxing toward the Full Moon. Conversely, it is supposedly bad to plant when the Moon is waning because then the meta-cycles are on the downswing, though it is said to be good to harvest when the Moon is waning. Some scientific studies state that it is actually best to plant some crops right before the Full Moon because the seeds absorb more water at that time — http://www.kaykeys.net/spirit/earthspirituality/moon/moonseed.html
Some take it a bit further with Moon in specific signs (Taurus, Cancer, Scorpio, etc) and the sowing of certain plants, earth signs vs. water signs, etc, but the lunar cycles is the basis of agricultural astrology.
@White Preservationist
Thanks for the information. I am referring to the significantly more mystical and less scientifically supported type of planting by the signs that I read about in my Foxfire collection of books on Appalachian folk wisdom. Though I believe that could all fit nicely into our allegory, with traditionalists and empiricists patiently and respectfully collaborating on the development of a synthesis.
While too much is made of it by hucksters, much of what we know about medicine was borrowed from finding the empirical processes behind the success of traditional folk remedies. The biblical injunctions against homosexuality and promiscuity appear mystical and even arbitrary at first glance, but were probably pivotal in protecting the tribe from the spread of disease and the collapse of the familial institutions.
Most of the farmers I know, plant by the signs. Like stop signs, Green lights, on the way to the field. Oh. And particularly remember that folk wisdom, don’t get your tractor stuck in the mud up to its axle.
“Wasn’t the Merovingian dynasty the very quintessence of European Christianity in its most bold and poetic form?”
The Merovingians were nominally Christian, but their energy was barbaric. I have trouble understanding how a militant Christianity can be resurrected in a way that will address the issue of Whites fighting for their biological continuance, without the sort of gross distortion seen in CI dogma, like for instance that non Whites are beasts of the field.
@Tom Watson
You must know different farmers, because the ones I know have absolutely no respect for stop signs.
@Randy
I think you’ll need to support your hypothesis that the Merovingian dynasty was militant because of its pagan heritage. I might be opening a bigger can here than I’m man enough to handle, but…ummm…if the pre-Christians were so militant and bold, why did they lose everywhere?
Many Kinists don’t necessarily subscribe to many of the beliefs that you and I would subjectively find bizarre, such as the “beasts of the field” proposition or the whole “dual-seed” thing. R.L. Dabney might be a good person to study:
http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/08/the-negro-and-the-common-school/
As I understand it, race is integral to the Christian Identity religion, while Kinism is more of a broad movement to assert that defending our racial heritage is compatible with the Christian religion.
Hunter Wallace has a problem: how in the world is he going to attract Christians when WN is honeycombed with Nietzschean Christ-haters?
I might be opening a bigger can here than I’m man enough to handle, but…ummm…if the pre-Christians were so militant and bold, why did they lose everywhere?
[From the “History of the Faustian Pact”:]
“*Clovis: Adopts and enforces his wife’s Christianity in the expanding Frankish realm in exchange for the fifth-column services of the clergy in enemy territory. The war on native faith and culture begins.”
[Former-day, proto-Communist, slave-morality in action, eh?]
NeoNietzsche,
The problem still remains that the pre-Christian belief systems apparently lack one or more components which are necessary for surviving the transition from the tribal to the civilizational habitat.
Given that the welfare of my nieces and nephews are at stake, I would rather settle for a functional G.E.S. that you find ideologically unpalatable than sentimentally pick through the wreckage of the obsolete and obliterated traditions of pre-Christian Europe. I feel like I’m assuming too much about your position, so please clarify if I’ve mischaracterized.
I feel like I’m assuming too much about your position, so please clarify if I’ve mischaracterized.
Easily clarified by reference to Nietzsche’s exhortation to “conceive reality as it is”.
I’m no grave robber of the corpses of dead ideologies and theologies.
“Civilization” in the Occident seems to eventually require anti-heroic narcotics, consolations, and eschatological expectations for the deracinated lower orders of class- and institutionally-stratified society. Philosophical elements that are then institutionalized with the further cultural/racial decline of the ascendant classes themselves.
Hence Christianity/Catholicism and Marxism/Stalinism.
None of it “functional,” in the long run. The generation to follow this one is doomed by decisions and developments long past that have only to play themselves out to their catastrophic conclusion.
Doesn’t matter what anyone but the leadership of the military believes, at this point.
Yeah right. @ Wiki, you are going to go out and wreck a $100,000 and dollar and up farm tractor running a light or a stop sign. And that’s a cheap one. LOL. We won’t even consider attachments.
“I think you’ll need to support your hypothesis that the Merovingian dynasty was militant because of its pagan heritage. I might be opening a bigger can here than I’m man enough to handle, but…ummm…if the pre-Christians were so militant and bold, why did they lose everywhere?”
From the simple reason that some of their own converted, and these people conquered by the northern crusades the ones who were unconverted.
You are incorrect as to the theological ‘correctness’ of Identity beliefs. They have a case to be made, and they have made it well.
Furthermore, the science of genetics has recently been supporting one Identity’s major claims – the migration of whites from the Middle East to Europe (See October 2008 issue of Scientific American) at some time in the distant past.
Identity constructs a fascinating interpretation of the Scriptures. It is more or less internally consistent, and it does the best job of any faith in reconciling the radically different natures of the Old and New Testaments.
Keep in mind that in America, Christianity has always been a powerful social force…one the top three anyway. No white nationalist movement can succeed completely, without recognition of this fact. I would urge all spiritually minded nationalists to study hard the Christian Identity belief system, particularly if they have a Jehovah’s Witness or Seventh Day Adventist background, as many of Identity’s claims are similiar.
Nietzsche had no children.
Makes you think.
The fact that people have to believe in a racialised Christianity to justify their racialism speaks volumes. What are they first and foremost? I too have a loathing for all forms of Protestantism for Charles Maurras is correct. Without the Church, Christianity is nothing more than unadulterated communism. Sola Scriptura indeed! Then again I was raised a Catholic [whose great grandparents on mum’s paternal side were Orangemen and women ha!]…
However, saying that I have no issue with working with Christians, [except Uniting Church folk, bloody communists that lot are], I live in the Bible Belt of Australia, so it’s something I have to do. Will Christian racialists work with the neopagans/Nietzscheans as AC alluded to in post 40?
Hunter Wallace has a problem: how in the world is he going to attract Christians when WN is honeycombed with Nietzschean Christ-haters?
Small point: Nietzscheans don’t have a problem with Christ – it’s *Christians* that they disparage.
And why attract children to an enterprise that is already sadly lacking in adult participation?
Without the Church, Christianity is nothing more than unadulterated communism.
Good point.
One might go further to say that, with the Church, Christianity was/is a lot like Stalinism, with its paranoia (Witch Trials/Inquisitions/Exorcisms), massacres (Crusades, foreign and domestic), purges (of Simony and Concubinage), and subversion of other polities (under Innocent III).