After the debacle of the 2008 Presidential campaign, White Americans should take an honest look in the mirror and try to understand why we did so badly.
Most White Americans chose to support old White men who went out of their way to be “fair” and not “racist” in any way,”honesty is the best policy.”
The result was a horrendous loss and many were shocked to learn that 24 out of 25 Black African Americans voted for Obama, even supposedly “conservative”, “patriotic” Black Americans like Gen. Colin Powell – Hey, what’s going on? Was Gen. Powell lying to us all those years?!!
Yeah.
Gen. Powell was a good liar – so are most of the Jewish Neo Conservatives who managed to fool White Americans that they’ve “seen the light” and come over to our side.
The truth is most NW and Jewish groups in America are good liars and our White side – well we’re just not very good liars.
So I would like to ask the Occidental Dissent community the question:
Should White Americans stop being so fair and honest?
Should we learn a little of the arts of deception, and work for the interests of our people in the various underhanded ways Jews and NWs do for their group?
Here is a scene from a great movie – True Romance, where a Sicilian Mafia leader is interrogating a White working class father to find the whereabouts of the father’s son Clarence.
The Mafia leader brags that Sicilians are great liars and also comments that the White working class father is a bad liar. Please watch the entire scene as it is arguably THE best White RACIALIST scene in any movie made since 1960
“Sicilians are great liars.
The best in the world.
I’m Sicilian.
My father was the world heavyweight
champion of Sicilian liars.
From growing up with him,
I learned the pantomime.
There are different things a guy can
do when he lies to give himself away.
A guy’s got 17 pantomimes.
A woman’s got 20.
A guy’s got 17. But if you know them
like you know your own face,
they’d beat lie detectors
all to hell.
Now, what we got here is
a little game of show-and-tell.
You don’t wanna show me nothing,
but you’re telling me everything.
I know you know where they are,
so… tell me…
before I do some damage
you won’t walk away from.”
Godan’s Own Paper: Given that polygamy is customary in Arab cultures, some guys get left out. No doubt even the ugliest Black slaves were pretty comely to those poor fellows. Even if they were the sheik’s property, a man will risk a lot for a true once-in-a-lifetime wrestling match. And maybe the sheik, with his harem of European captives, didn’t worry if Abdul was messing with his castoffs. Yeah, the Dennis Hopper character was probably not entirely wrong in his assessment of the Sicilians.
“Here’s the proof: 22 states are now following the Arizona example.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/18/immigration-22-states-following-arizonas-lead-with-bills-polic/
Alabama is nullifying Obamacare and passing an even tougher immigration law. Half the Union is now in open rebellion against the Obama administration.
The Arizona example shows how a moderate rhetorical stance can produce the necessary polarization to produce extreme actions whereas an extreme rhetorical stance produces no polarization and no action.”
I think it’s a little too early to be declaring victory. Legal immigration remains totally unmentioned by the Tea Party and conservatives.
Our enemies have been using lies of commission (blatant falsehoods), lies of omission (omitting the truth), and half truths for years. We need to learn from them.
Why is that no matter what the subject being discussed there are always posters needing to ventilate their anti-Christian biases? I don’t get it. America and Europe were much better places to live when the vast majority practiced the Christian faith and the countries were much more racially healthy compared to now. As a Christian, I can see the propaganda in the MSM and the television programming promoting anything anti-White, anti-Christian or immoral. I know who the people are that are behind the homosexual movement, the militant feminists, NAACP, the ADL and every other organization working against us. I’m not going to attribute some supernatural evil on a whole race of people but I will say that anyone, including the Jews, who doesn’t accept Jesus will be in hell with all the other sinners.
Terry says: “Why is that no matter what the subject being discussed there are always posters needing to ventilate their anti-Christian biases? I don’t get it. ”
The short answer is that many White advocates don’t like Christianity because the church is one of the biggest and most relentless promoters of non-White immigration, anti-racism, and other policies that damage White people and hurt our cause.
People should just focus on being pro-white. Not pro-Christian. Or anti-Christian. This is how you attract as many White people as possible. You don’t need to be Christian to be against our anti-white government and society.
What has changed since 1970?
Oh, I dunno, genetic testing and all that, perhaps?
If you worked in the sciences, while you wouldn’t have to toss out your references every ten years, you WOULD have to recheck them whenever you referenced them. Some areas of science are worse than others; genetics, for instance, can change and become obsolete within five years. Ecology (my field) doesn’t change as fast, but referencing anything more than 15 years old requires some follow-up reading.
The last genetic data I’ve seen on Portugal indicates that the African contribution is 9% in the southernmost provinces, but declining to 2% if the country is taken as a whole. The last time I looked at Sicilian data it looked rather more like Turkey to me than Brazil (which may indicate both the Greek and the Neolithic settlement of Sicily–didn’t Herodotus say the pre-Greek Sicilians came from Anatolia?)
>>I’m not going to attribute some supernatural evil on a whole race of people but I will say that anyone, including the Jews, who doesn’t accept Jesus will be in hell with all the other sinners.>>
Thanks for the input, John Calvin. Can we now get back to white nationalism?
The inclusion of the word “liar” in the title of this piece is all too appropriate. To quote from the peer reviewed study ‘Origin, Diffusion, and Differentiation of Y-Chromosome Haplogroups E and J: Inferences on the Neolithization of Europe and Later Migratory Events in the Mediterranean Area’:
“Similar data from the Y-chromosome reveals Italians’ even lower non-Caucasoid paternal admixture. Both studies obtained samples from all over the mainland and islands. No Asian DNA was detected anywhere, but a single sub-Saharan African E(xE3b) sequence was found in the first study’s sample of 416 (0.2%), and six were observed in the second study’s sample of 746 (0.8%). The total is therefore a minuscule 0.6%, which decreases to 0.4% if only Southern Italians are considered and 0% if only Sicilians are considered. Again, these are normal levels of admixture for European populations (e.g. Austrians were found to have 0.8% E(xE3b) by Brion et al. 2004).”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1181965/
You shouldn’t cherry pick studies, Reginald Thompson.
“Greater genetic diversity in S. Europe due in part to African ancestry”
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/09/greater-genetic-diversity-in-s-europe.html
“African mtDNA in the Iberian Northern plateau”
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2010/02/african-mtdna-in-iberian-northern.html
Neither of those links say anything about the degree of admixture, or the lack thereof, in Sicilians.
Therefore they don’t contradict the study I linked to.
And looking at autosomal dna, which is far more representative of ancestry, a 2005 study found Italians, Tuscans, and Sardinians to be in the exact same very narrow range of Caucasian descent as the French, Scotch (Orkney Islands), and Basques.
Also all the Italian samples were significantly more Caucasian than the Russians, due to the Russians having a small amount of Mongoloid ancestry which somewhat exceeds any of the kinds of Non-Caucasian admixture found in the other European populations.
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/slideshow.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.0010070&imageURI=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.0010070.g002#
Discard says:
August 20, 2010 at 4:58 am
Mark: I am pointing out that most of the people who make their living their with theatrical gifts, such as you mention, are working for Jews. Sorry if I phrased it poorly.
It was just an odd response to what I said. We all know the history of Jews and the film industry. I used an analogy, it wasn’t about actual comedians such as Michael Richards, who bombed not because he’s a bad comedian but because of political correctness, or actors such as Mel Gibson who likewise is guilty of insulting protected groups.
Most of the non-European genetic contribution in Southern Europe is not sub-Saharan African but North African and Middle Eastern. The sub-Saharan contribution is low, however the Portuguese do have the highest sub-Saharan African input in Europe because they did import a significant amount black slaves to their home country and assimilated them.
The True Romance clip is meant to be dramatic and funny, not historically accurate. It is a man who has no escape from his captors and knows they will murder him. So he makes one last rebellion against them by insulting them the best way he knows how. It’s brilliant.
*significant amount of
Also all the Italian samples were significantly more Caucasian than the Russians, due to the Russians having a small amount of Mongoloid ancestry which somewhat exceeds any of the kinds of Non-Caucasian admixture found in the other European populations.
The genetic distance between Northern Europeans and Russians is closer than the distances between either of these groups with Southern Europeans.
The sub-Saharan contribution is low, however the Portuguese do have the highest sub-Saharan African input in Europe because they did import a significant amount black slaves to their home country and assimilated them.
True, but considering the nature of the sub-Saharan genome even a “low” contribution shouldn’t be taken lightly.
Julius Evola was a Sicilian.
Not only was Evola a Sicilian, he was a Sicilian aristocrat. And interestingly enough, he viewed the different classes of a society as being like different races. This view isn’t too surprising in light of the fact that the Sicilian commoners i.e. those Sicilians who weren’t of the Sicilian aristocracy would likely have borne the brunt of the North African, Middle Eastern, and sub-Saharan African admixture.
Gloob: Wanderer cited a work of history, not science. The scholar’s sources were most likely parish records, ship’s manifests, tax records, things of that sort. Unless a great cache of old documents has been found since 1970 (it happens), the historian’s work still stands. Doesn’t the DNA evidence more or less confirm the historian’s conclusions about Portugal?
Jack…..get a clue…..it’s a Jew made movie projecting their ability to lie on to Italians……The same way they hyped up the Italian mafia when Jew mafia power really runs everything. The same way they portray white southerners as in-bred, buck-tooth, beer guzzling, trailer trash…..It’s all one big lie.
Wanderer–well, no, not unless you can plausibly turn his “homogeneous 10% black blood” into the 2% or so seen in the country as a whole.
People should just focus on being pro-white. Not pro-Christian. Or anti-Christian. This is how you attract as many White people as possible. You don’t need to be Christian to be against our anti-white government and society.
It just seems a bit odd how it always seems to pop up even when it’s not relevant to the conversation, don’t you think?
“Vic says:
August 21, 2010 at 8:49 am
Jack…..get a clue…..it’s a Jew made movie projecting their ability to lie on to Italians………..It’s all one big lie.”
I strongly disagree. I think True Romance is not in any way a Jew movie.
The plot centers around a working class, poor White hero who idolizes Elvis Presley – that’s pretty American White there. Elvis went in to the Army, Elvis made a special pilgrimage to see Richard Nixon, volunteering to work for the FBI to expose John Lennon and the Beetles and the New Left counter culture corrupting American youth.
That’s not something Woodword and Bernstein, the Washington Post and the Jews media approve of at all.
True Romance is all but a White National Socialist movie as the hero Clarence rescue “Alabama” a beautiful, endangered White gal from a life of prostitution (she worked for a week) controls by merciless Black and Whigger pimps and Sicilians who are outed as not really White.
Then Clarence and Alabama go to Hollywood and try to scam stereotypical bad, Hollywood Jews!
Check out the scene where the idiot Jew nephew of Jew big shot producer Lee Donawitz gets caught in a routine traffic stop with a huge bag of cocaine in his face!
It comes in about 4:15 – skip the rough bloody scene of Alabama getting beaten bloody by a Sicilian hit man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2k3JbVoElQ&feature=related
And everyone should see one of the greatest depictions of White working class folk hero (Clarence) as he faces down ant White demon – Whiggger pimp “Drexl”/Gary Oldham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLz-eeG1DB0
I doubt if any of our folks in the German NS propaganda ministry could come up with anything as good, racial as this!
Gloob: Knowing nothing about this but what has been posted here, I’d say that the DNA evidence refines, but does not refute the old scholar’s work. The southern part of Portugal, closest to Africa and where the main port of Lisbon is located, has a 9% taint of Black DNA, the hinterlands much less. Why that is so would be a topic for new research, which would be done in pretty much the old way, a careful re-reading of old sources with new questions in mind.
I am not Wanderer and I don’t know why he cited this particular work, but since he was addressing the issue from a historical, not scientific perspective, perhaps the book he read was the best available. The idea of racial differences has gone out of fashion in the liberal arts since the 1960s, and it is one of the benefits of DNA studies is that they are forcing honesty about race back into the picture.
http://www.white-history.com/portugal.htm
http://www.white-history.com/italy.htm
The historical record shows that the Roman civilization fell because the original Romans vanished: in the North they were absorbed into the racially similar but culturally dissimilar Western Europeans; in the south the Romans were absorbed into the racially alien North African and Middle Eastern populations.
Unsurprisingly the genetic evidence tracks these historical events closely. [North-Italians are 75% R and I Y-haplogroups; Far-South-Italians/Sicilians are under 40% R+I.]
Caveat: It is important to bear in mind that these results do not imply that all modern Italians are of mixed origin.
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The historical record is very clear on the importation of Black African slaves into Portugal, and of the effect of the Moslem occupation of that country. Unsurprisingly, the genetic evidence serves to confirm the historical account.
Caveat: It is important to bear in mind that these results do not imply that all modern Portuguese are of mixed origin.
“Knowing nothing about this but what has been posted here, I’d say that the DNA evidence refines, but does not refute the old scholar’s work.”
Discard,
It’s clear you haven’t looked at the actual genetic research, which completely refutes the 1970 thesis.
Overall 2.5% of the matrilineal dna in Portugal was found to be sub-Saharan, while only 0.6% of the matrilineal dna in Portugal was to be sub-Saharan.
This gives an estimate of only 1.55% overall sub-Saharan mixture for Portugal.
That’s far less than the 10% admixture asserted by the 1970 article, and this shows the article to have been refuted by genetic research.
“The southern part of Portugal, closest to Africa and where the main port of Lisbon is located, has a 9% taint of Black DNA…”
That’s a profoundly asinine statement. Mitochondrial dna is a tiny percentage of the total dna found in a subpopulation, and it is often not representative of the total amount of DNA found in the population.
“I am not Wanderer and I don’t know why he cited this particular work, but since he was addressing the issue from a historical, not scientific perspective, perhaps the book he read was the best available.”
The question of how much admixture there is in a population is a genetic question, not a historical question.
“The idea of racial differences has gone out of fashion in the liberal arts since the 1960s, and it is one of the benefits of DNA studies is that they are forcing honesty about race back into the picture.”
Pretending that mitochondrial dna is representative of the total amount of dna in a population is not honest at all.
It’s either deception, or the passing on of false information in ignorance.
Neither of those things constitute honesty.
“Overall 2.5% of the matrilineal dna in Portugal was found to be sub-Saharan, while only 0.6% of the matrilineal dna in Portugal was to be sub-Saharan.”
Should read:
“Overall 2.5% of the matrilineal dna in Portugal was found to be sub-Saharan, while only 0.6% of the patrilineal dna in Portugal was to be sub-Saharan.”
Also it should be noted that the 1970 article’s idea that Portugal’s economy was hurt to any significant degree by Negro admixture is clearly false.
Uniparental markers give an estimated 1.55% Negro admixture.
If a population with an average IQ of 100 receives 1.55% admixture from a population with an IQ of 70, this will only push the average IQ to down to 99.4.
In other words only a .6 point decline, which is extremely marginal.
Note: Studies of Black/White hybrids in America show them to equidistant between the White and Black mean, showing the assumption used to get the .6 IQ point decline is valid here.
This isn’t to say the Portuguese IQ might not have declined since the 15th Century, or whatever, only that any significant decline clearly can’t be ascribed to Black admixture.
Re Portugal
Portugal’s Poor Performance, Socioeconomically
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Portuguese students’ international ranking in Math …[source]
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–> Portugal’s recent track record as being dead-last in economic achievement in non-communist Europe, with a poor educational system and the highest illiteracy rate in Europe, is explained by what, exactly?
I, for one, do not view the native unmixed Portuguese to be as terribly inferior to their northern cousins as this evidence suggests. I blame this pathetic showing on the unfortunate infusion of foreign blood that has tainted an element of that country (the lower-classes). Let it be a warning to us.
I’m sure that unmixed Portuguese (and there are many) will tell us the same about the shiftlessness and so on of the lower classes there.
Those who insist that there is no appreciable foreign-mixture within modern Portugal [@Thompson] are, OTOH, apparently condemning the whites of that country as blatantly inferior to northern-whites. I disagree with this, and I’d say the evidence supports the explanation as described above (miscegenation-induced decline).
Whoops, the link for “[and there are many]” should be: http://www.nndb.com/people/704/000111371/
[I’d pay money to get a darned ‘Preview Comment’ button here]
Reginald Thompson: I did say, in a comment addressed to Gloob, that I knew nothing about the topic but what he’d posted, didn’t I? Then it should be obvious that you are right, no, I have not looked at the actual genetic research. Good for you.
The 9% figure in southern Portugal cited by Gloob is close to the 10% figure for all of Portugal cited by Wanderer. To me, that shows that the old scholar from 1970 was on to something. If you say it’s mitochondrially suspect, perhaps you’re right. I haven’t the knowledge to dispute you, and I never claimed to.
So tell me, when you meet someone who is interested but uncertain in some racial matters, do you usually tell him his views are “asinine”? When a man is apparently misinformed, do you usually tell him he is dishonest?
This site is called “Occidental Dissent”, not “Occidental Biological Science with a Stick Up the Butt”. It is, I assume, intended to allow the exchange of views among all sorts of people who share an interest in the preservation of our race, even working class men who lack a systematic formal education. Even pedantry has a place, if the pedant is willing to share his knowledge. But, outside of a college campus, I know of no place that has need of petty-minded academic show-offs who use their education as a means to belittle others rather than to inform them.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21252/abstract
“In the province of Zamora, if the total number of African lineages are taken into account (Hgs L1b, L2b, L3, M1, and U6a1a), the contribution represents 5.7% of the total Hg composition. [. . .] As regards sub-Saharan Hgs (L1b, L2b, and L3b), the high frequency found in the southern regions of Zamora, 18.2% in Sayago and 8.1% in Bajo Duero, is comparable to that described for the South of Portugal, but it does not have any parallels with any other analyzed areas in the Northern part of Iberia (Pereira et al., 2005).”
Discard,
“The 9% figure in southern Portugal cited by Gloob is close to the 10% figure for all of Portugal cited by Wanderer. To me, that shows that the old scholar from 1970 was on to something.”
On to what?
Even if the 8.6% figure for the south of Portugal was representative of genetic ancestry, which it clearly is not given the data from the other uniparental marker, that wouldn’t change the fact that the 10% estimation for all of Portugal was far off.
Based on the genetic data, he would’ve been closer being accurate if he said there was 0% admixture in Portugal as a whole.
For Portugal the estimated mitochondrial admixture was 2.5% for the Country as a whole.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12627534
That’s closer to 0% than to 10%.
“If you say it’s mitochondrially suspect, perhaps you’re right. I haven’t the knowledge to dispute you, and I never claimed to.”
Sure.
“So tell me, when you meet someone who is interested but uncertain in some racial matters, do you usually tell him his views are ‘asinine’?”
It just is that the people who mistake mitochondrial dna for total dna, in terms of spreading the false idea that one is representative of the other, are often people who know better but who pretend not to for the sake of deception.
I was wrong to assume that of you, and I apologize.
A lot of people haven’t studied the differences between different forms of dna, and sometimes I forget about that.
What you have to understand is that the proposition that uniparental markers are representative of ancestry has been completely disproven.
If one uniparental marker is representative of ancestry, it follows that the other is as well.
But in Portugal, including the south of Portugal, the Y Chromosomes are much less likely to be of probable sub-Saharan origin than the Mitochondrial dna.
This shows that besides the general issue of mitochondrial dna so often proving to not be representative of genetic ancestry, it has been specifically proven that in Portugal mitochondrial dna is not representative of ancestry.
In these situations by far the best substitute for looking at the autosomal dna is to average out the two uniparental markers, as opposed to just cherry picking the one with a higher or lower value.
“When a man is apparently misinformed, do you usually tell him he is dishonest?”
I said you were either being dishonest or passing on false information in ignorance.
Since you were just passing on false information in ignorance, I’m sorry that I raised the possibility of you being dishonest.
I usually don’t imply someone might be dishonest when they say things which indicate being misinformed.
It just is that if someone combines sayings things which aren’t true with talking about “honesty”, the contrast the truthfulness I usually associate with the word honesty and the incorrect information is screwed up.
If you’re unsure of what you’re talking about, which thinking about it is understandable in this case given that genetics is a subject which often seems difficult for even people of well above average intelligence to understand, you should avoid implying that genetic research is leading to more honest conclusions.
Because the thing is that someone being misinformed isn’t evidence of genetics leading to a more honest understanding of racial matters, but actually of the opposite.
Therefore you shouldn’t tout genetics leading to a more honest understanding unless you’re sure of what you’re saying.
Just bear in mind in the future that mitochondrial dna is a subset of the more general category dna, an extremely small subset at that (even the very small Y Chromosome is far larger), and that time and again it has been shown to not be representative of ancestry.
Also bear in mind that the Y Chromosome often isn’t representative of ancestry either.
Even if we didn’t have any data on the autosomal dna of any population we would know this, for the simple reason that the two uniparental markers (the Y Chromosome only passed on by the father, and the Mitochondrial dna only passed on by the mother) contradict each other so often, thereby disproving the false notion that uniparental markers are representative of ancestry.
Reginald Thompson: I didn’t follow much of that, but it’s OK. I know that statistical fraud is a mainstay of anti-racism. I have read that some anti-racists have claimed, via some mathematical misrepresentation, that a White man could be more closely related to an African than to his own kin. Or that since the Black and White races share 99.9% (or some such figure) of their DNA, the racial differences are insignificant, not mentioning that humans share 99.5% (or some such figure) of their DNA with chimpanzees. (Forgive my numbers there, I’m assuming that you’ve read the same story.)
Let me revise my statement on DNA research and racial issues.
“Used knowledgeably and honestly, DNA evidence can force truthfulness back into the discussion of racial issues.”
ATBOTL: “I think it’s a little too early to be declaring victory.”
I didn’t see a declaration of victory in HW’s comment. He made a factual observation, namely, that moderate rhetoric has led to polarization and action against illegal immigration in 22 state, whereas extreme rhetoric continues to accomplish its usual nothing.
“Legal immigration remains totally unmentioned by the Tea Party and conservatives.”
Actually, Sam Francis, a paleo-conservative, mentioned legal immigration often when he was alive. Peter Brimelow and Pat Buchanan also mention legal immigration frequently, and both of them wrote best selling books on this subject. Pat Buchanan, actually, wrote two best NY Times selling books calling for reduced legal immigration. He has also discussed immigration in his syndicated column and on national TV.
Buchanan is a good example of what moderate rhetoric can accomplish. Because he keeps his rhetoric moderate, he stays visible in the mainstream and is able to disseminate some very important ideas to a huge audience.
Moderate rhetoric is the way to go until people are ready for a hardcore message.
Should White Americans Become Better Liars?
Not sure I like the sound of that. How about simply inscrutable?
Stop slandering southern Europeans:
http://racialreality.110mb.com/italians.html
And no, I’m not of Sicilian descent.
nihil says:
August 24, 2010 at 6:32 am
“Stop slandering southern Europeans:”
This post was not in any way meant to slander Sicilians or other Southern Europeans. Southern Europeans, in particular Southern Italians are in my opinion THE most reliably pro White, RACIST group of Ind Europeans in the world. Italians can always be counted on to take a very strong, hard line against Black criminals, thugs or just be yes RACIST against Blacks in all American big cities. There are few racial liberals amongst Italians anywhere in the world.
One reason for this this is that Southern Italians tend to be a bit lower on the racial scale and will fight harder on the White side to prove that they are White.
My favorite American White mayor, police chief was the late great Philadelphia mayor/police chief Frank Rizzo.
During all the upheavals of the 60s with Black mobs rioting and threatening riots, murder and mayhem to get their way, Frank Rizzo make very public announcements that he would not allow Blacks to riot in his city and the Phily police force was filled with extremely tough, ex military White police officers who were known to rough up Black criminals.
Here’s some information about the late great Frank Rizzo – watch him on video and know what it is like to see a tough, no nonsense White man, Blacks know not to mess with tough White Italians like Frank Rizzo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Rizzo