Violence and Vanguardists

Is violence really the answer?

The Vanguard

Last week, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords read the First Amendment on the floor of the House of Representatives – including “the right of the people peaceably to assemble” – and then flew home to Arizona to meet with her constituents.

On Saturday, a deranged kook and conspiracy theorist named Jared Loughner blew her brains out in the parking lot of a Safeway grocery store, took the lives of a nine year old child and five other people, while shooting more than a dozen others before he was subdued.

Before he emptied his first magazine, this 22 year old drug addict and college dropout had already succeeded in dropping the equivalent of a thermonuclear bomb on the national political discussion.

The Republican House was poised to repeal Obamacare. The Arizona state legislature was gearing up for an assault on birthright citizenship. More than a dozen state legislatures across the country were about to enact Arizona-style immigration laws.

Now we get to spend next week and probably the rest of this month debating the martyrdom of a low key, moderate Blue Dog Democrat and whether or not Arizona has been transformed into “a mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”

Talk about knocking the wind out of our sails.

Portrait of a Killer

Within two hours, Jared Lee Loughner became the most famous man in America.

The first clues about his motives began to trickle out on the internet. Internet sleuths on Twitter were hot on his social media trail and were leading the discussion going on in the mainstream media.

A consensus had developed before the evening political talk shows on cable television that Jared Loughner was an alienated pothead and heavy metal fan, a marginalized loner and introverted outcast who wore all black clothes and was probably suffering from the onset of some type of severe mental illness, most likely schizophrenia.

His political leanings are gradually coming into focus: left-libertarian, conspiracy theorist, anti-religion, anti-flag, pro-abortion. A picture is emerging of a bookish, alienated nerd (likely a homosexual) dabbling in Ayn Rand, Karl Marx, and Adolf Hitler.

We know his type well in the White Nationalist movement.

This is someone who is cut from the same cloth of school shooters like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold of Columbine or more recently Seung Hui Cho who shot up Virginia Tech back in 2007.

These attention seeking wretches of suburban anomie have been self detonating across America for more than ten years now. This has nothing to do with the Tea Party or Arizona’s crackdown on illegal immigration.

It just so happens the target this time was a Democratic congresswoman instead of his classmates at Pima College in Tuscon. Jared Loughner was expelled from school before he could go postal in poetry class.

This guy is most definitely not the second coming of James von Brunn or John Hinckley, Jr. The clumsy attempt to link Jared Taylor with Jared Loughner will certainly fail.

We are going to dodge the bullet this time.

Next Time

I say this time because next time something like this happens we are unlikely to be so fortunate.

This grotesque act of violence, which has repulsed every sane and morally sound person in America, resonates with many of the mentally disturbed, hyper alienated fantasists that infest the White Nationalist movement.

No one here would have been in the least bit surprised if Jared Loughner turned out to be “Whites Forward” or a VNN Forum contributor like Rick Holland.

The news of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting in Arizona inspired waves of adulatory celebration on that website:

“Republicans and Democrats are basically the same shite and a good jew is a dead one.”

“Let’s give a toast to the shooter.”

“One kike slut slaughtered, millions more to go.”

“Eh, I’m lost. Whatever the case – jew down, fedjudge mexi-lover dead. Not bad for a day’s total.”

“Was this subhuman kike whore slaughtered or not?

If IT lives, I hope IT is in absolute agony and indescribable pain for the rest of IT’s life!”

A month ago, I drew attention to the fetishization of violence in vanguardist circles, especially acts of revolutionary violence like the assassination of elected officials.

Why Vanguardists Can’t Win

I said at the time:

As explained above, fantasism and escapism are the bread and butter of vanguardists, who have largely given up on reality based methods in light of their own extreme level of alienation from society.

Most of the fantasist schemes (i.e., the Northwest Republic) involve successful acts of criminal violence. The Order is one example of a group that took this sort of talk seriously.

Unfortunately, violence tends to have exactly the opposite effect.

White people in the Pacific Northwest were glad to be rid of The Order. They responded negatively to Oklahoma City and threw their support behind the federal government. The only people who saw James von Brunn as a martyr were other alienated vanguardists.”

Nagging Little Voices

In Nagging Little Voices, I drew attention to the fact that Democratic strategists like Mark Penn were already saying after the midterm elections that Barack Obama needed “an Oklahoma City moment” to reconnect with White voters in the Heartland.

I said at the time:

“If they followed HAC’s advice, the liberal, moderate, and conservative majority would unanimously react to vanguardist terrorism in the same way that Americans reacted to the Oklahoma City bombing.”

Unsurprisingly, Jared Loughner’s attempted assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords has inspired unanimous condemnation and repeated attempts by the media to pin the shooting on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party.

No one wants to be associated with a toxic mass murderer who settles his political grievances with a gun.


We learned from Columbine that publicizing gruesome shooting sprees like this will likely inspire copycat attempts among similarly alienated fanatics.

Undoubtedly, there are alienated vanguardists out there right now like James von Brunn contemplating what it would be like to self detonate and go out in a blaze of glory like Jared Loughner or Timothy McVeigh. They have probably read The Turner Diaries, Hunter, and The Northwest Quartet.

Even though Jared Loughner has no clear ties to White Nationalism, the media is already trying smear Jared Taylor and American Renaissance through guilt by association:

It is only a matter of time before the next James von Brunn or Timothy McVeigh makes national headlines. Bill Clinton rode the backlash against the Oklahoma City bombing to a second term in office.

Violence and Vanguardists

The Giffords shooting has been a great clarifier in the “mainstreamer” vs. “vanguardist” debate. It really goes straight to the heart of the matter. This debate is playing out again all across the White Nationalist world.

Mainstreamers believe in working within the system. Vanguardists believe in revolutionary violence to overthrow the system.

Mainstreamers incline toward republican government. Vanguardists usually favor establishing some kind of racial dictatorship or aristocracy.

Mainstreamers are disillusioned with the status quo. Vanguardists are radically alienated from society.

A “mainstreamer” might be upset about racial double standards and changing demographics, but that doesn’t mean he is going to pick up a gun and start murdering his political opponents. He usually balances his pro-White ideals with a healthy dose of Christian morality, American ethnicity, and republican political theory.

Essentially, “mainstreamers” like Jared Taylor, Sam Francis, and the CofCC are Americans who happen to be pro-White. They see themselves as carrying on the American racial and political tradition which stretches back to Jefferson and the Founding Fathers.

We want to conserve that tradition and start building upon it again.

Vanguardists are people who grow so alienated that they undergo a type of ethnogenesis. They jettison everything but their abstract commitment to the racial ideal of a White ethnostate.

Some of these people claim to want a White Republic. Under closer examination, they are really not so hot about the “Republic” part of that equation. They are not adverse to resorting to violence to achieve their objectives.

In spite of all the evidence to the contrary, which clearly shows that violence is counterproductive to our cause, many of these people insist that violence is the only way to advance our views in the public sphere.

I can’t predict when it will happen, but someday White Nationalists will reap the whirlwind of the morbid vanguardist fascination with violence. I was greatly relieved to find out that today was not to be that occasion.

Final Thoughts

For once, liberals may have a point about toning down the rhetoric, albeit for the wrong reasons.

We have nothing to gain and much to lose from staining our good name with the blood of our political enemies. I pray every day that Barack Obama lives to be an old man. If Martin Luther King had not been assassinated by James Earl Ray, he too would have eventually been discredited.

Instead, Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy were glorified as martyrs in the liberal pantheon. Their path to sainthood was a source of much misery for us in the decades that followed. LBJ exploited the Kennedy assassination to push through the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Ted Kennedy road the coattails of his famous brothers into the U.S. Senate.

The Left is already in the process of creating a “Saint Gabby” to use as ammunition against the Tea Party and “rightwing extremism” in general. This is someone who was reelected by a mere 4,000 votes two months ago. The redistricting process in Arizona would have created a ripe pickup opportunity in that district in 2012.

This is worth breaking my New Years’ Resolution.

Please, no more body bags in our name. If you absolutely must self detonate, do so on behalf of some other cause, not ours. We can’t afford to be associated with you.

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  1. Great post my friend! We without question got lucky with this one, every average person I talked to today and every website (except Daily Kos nuts) are NOT buying the anti-Tea Party spin. This is a clear case of the Leftist establishment attempting to stretch their narrative to fantasy that no amount of suspension of disbelief can believe. The Liberal Media just announced to the world that it is a Liberal Media.

    We also got lucky that it wasn’t someone on the Right. I’m working on a post about the type of image in the popular culture (IE: popular imagination) we need so that this type of smear wouldn’t have any weight to begin with.

  2. Nice bike, a BMW 750/5? Does she really ride or is a campaign photo?

    Let’s not allow this to derail our people, like the MSM used the OK City Fed Bldg bombing back in the ’90s.

  3. I really wish the idiots who advocate violence in the White Nationalist movement would start weighing in on this. Is there some massive surge of public sympathy for Jared Loughner that I am missing here?

  4. I’m waiting for them too.

    Maybe these rough and tough keyboard commandos are hiding under their desk and sucking their thumb at the thought that the dreaded ZOG is about to knock down their door since they’ve attacked someone as peacefu as Jared.

  5. Violence is pointless anyway unless you can control how it is contextualized for the masses. If this guy has access to any media right now he’s probably crying like a baby “but I’m not a tea party person”. It’s obvious right now that the most dangerous person in the world is a white advocate who is totally normal.


    Both friends spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they wanted to avoid the publicity surrounding the case. To them, the question was classic Jared: confrontational, nonsensical and obsessed with how words create reality.

    The friends’ comments paint a picture bolstered by other former classmates and Loughner’s own Internet postings: that of a social outcast with nihilistic, almost indecipherable beliefs steeped in mistrust and paranoia. . .

    Mistrust of government was Loughner’s defining conviction, the friends said. He believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11, and worried that governments were maneuvering to create a unified monetary system (“a New World Order currency” one friend said) so that social elites and bureaucrats could control the rest of the world.

  7. Just wait, by the morning news cycle they’ll have found a couple more of his friends who will reveal that he was convinced Obama is not a citizen, that the south was right and that (yikes!) women are different than men.

  8. Here’s what we know:

    Loughner was an anti-Christian 9/11 truther, 2012 apocalypse follower, a New World Order conspiracy theorist, a militant atheist, an anti-social nihilist, a pothead, an alienated nerd who liked Ayn Rand and the Communist Manifesto, a “lucid dreamer” and an introverted social constructionist who believed that “words create reality,” and a flag burning supporter of abortion.

  9. “Loughner was an anti-Christian 9/11 truther, 2012 apocalypse follower, a New World Order conspiracy theorist, a militant atheist, an anti-social nihilist, a pothead, an alienated nerd who liked Ayn Rand and the Communist Manifesto, a “lucid dreamer” and an introverted social constructionist who believed that “words create reality,” and a flag burning supporter of abortion.”

    Sounds like a vanguardist who comes on here and attacks Mr. Wallace. I have a feeling this guy took a look at Counter-Currents once or twice.

  10. I kow Greg is trying to discredit a certain young man – but I simply am reading confirmation of my assessment – an extremely thoughtful young man, engaged in weighing and testing various ideas, and methodologies, incorporating some things, dismissing others – but pursuing his road on the Great Trajectory of Western Man – the quest for Truth.

    Perhaps the idea of a young man with the primary, essential, beautiful goal of marrying a lovely young woman is the element that disturbs Mr. Johnson so profoundly.

  11. When Hunter Wallace did Odessa Syndicate (of which I was a part), before the very end, those were his best days. Even Ian Jobling was giving him praise.

    He was bashing the ills of society and advocating more of a “reject the system” type of politics. In other words, he was politically incorrect, but not advocating an explicit white nationalism.

    With the launch of occidental dissent, he reverted to a hardcore white nationalism. Then he dropped his vangaurdism to be a mainstreamer, but he didn’t really go back to the odessa days when he was more of a third posisionist.

    Hunter’s four phases:
    -third positionist

    The vangaurdist never fit Hunter, it just didn’t work. However I think his best phase is not a mainstream republican, but a odessa syndicate style third positionist who’s only issue is not race.

  12. The guy comes across as a bit unstable and ineloquent in the things I’ve seen attributed to him, but at the same time I haven’t seen anyone discrediting the TRUTH of his positions. While I firmly disagree with what Mr. Loughner did and most of what he said, everything I see about him is ad hominem. He’s crazy, he’s a kook, he’s schizophrenic, he’s a psychopath, he’s unstable, he’s a homosexual, he liked Rand and Marx, he’s a 2012 believer, a conspiracy theorist, etc etc on and on forever. It’s never ‘the flaw with his position was X’. The first thing I thought of reading his barely literate grammar conspiracy ranting was the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis to which I personally subscribe, yet I haven’t seen or heard anyone connect that to his ideas. The people bashing him for that just come across as linguistically ignorant to me. I don’t defend his positions, but all these personal attacks feel wrong to me – immoderate and unrestrained and dishonorable. Like little boys torturing an animal or that whole Operation Valkyrie movie: people delighting in heaping abuse on a ‘safe’ target.

  13. I woke up to the news this morning that the mother of a young girl I know has died of a heart attack. Just got off the phone with some friends.

    The Cat Lady has picked the wrong day to troll this website. It will be his last appearance here.

  14. In a month this will be forgotten and the facts will emegre of a lunatic. I dont beleive however we should ever downplay the reality of how wars begin as they have with a single shot or assasination as they did in ww1. This may be a different type of a war to win the minds over for 2012 but it is a war of spin.
    I dont believe the vanguardist want to see any 9 year oild girl shot that is just sick while I do believe many people that are aware of the evolutionary group strategy of the tribe may in the back of there minds say oh well, but at the same time be just as saddened by the violence that has so affected the national discourse.
    But I dont think this will be on the minds of Americans to turn to Obama, this can be spun many ways and it will but at the end of the day it was a lunatic.

  15. Elijah,

    We have pretty good information now that confirms all the above. Someone found Loughner’s profile on a gay dating website. His friends and fellow students are describing his bizarre views to the press now.

  16. Exclusive: Loughner Friend Explains Alleged Gunman’s Grudge Against Giffords

    That was it. But later in the day, when Tierney first heard about the Tucson massacre, he had a sickening feeling: “They hadn’t released the name, but I said, ‘Holy shit, I think it’s Jared that did it.'” Tierney tells Mother Jones in an exclusive interview that Loughner held a years-long grudge against Giffords and had repeatedly derided her as a “fake.” Loughner’s animus toward Giffords intensified after he attended one of her campaign events and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer a question he had posed, Tierney says. He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with “lucid dreaming”—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became “more interested in this world than our reality.” Tierney adds, “I saw his dream journal once. That’s the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner’s mind, there’s a dream journal that will tell you everything.” ….

    As Loughner and Tierney grew closer, Tierney got used to spending the first ten minutes or so of every day together arguing with Loughner’s “nihilist” view of the world. “By the time he was 19 or 20, he was really fascinated with semantics and how the world is really nothing—illusion,” Tierney says. Once, Tierney recalls, Loughner told him, “I’m pretty sure I’ve come to the conclusion that words mean nothing.” Loughner would also tell Tierney and his friends that life “means nothing,” and they’d reply, “If it means nothing, what you’re saying means nothing.” Other times, Tierney says, Loughner acted like any teen: “We’d go to concerts, play music, get into trouble.” …


    Tierney believes that Loughner was very interested in pushing people’s buttons—and that may have been why he listed Hitler’s Mein Kampf as one of his favorite books on his YouTube page. (Loughner’s mom is Jewish, according to Tierney.) Loughner sometimes approached strangers and would say “weird” things, Tierney recalls. “He would do it because he thought people were below him and he knew they wouldn’t know what he was talking about.” . ..

  18. Question, has the “vanguard” flushed the left out of their phony role as “anti-racists?”
    Answer: No.

    Decades have passed and they still play the same music and the same part in the morality play, stooges for the left to portray themselves as “anti-racists” not the anti-Whites bent on a our genocide as a people.

    Now in all fairness the semi-respectable “intellectuals” with their safe fact gathering have done little to expose the left for what it is either. Greg tried to bridge the gap between the suited intellectuals and the costumes, it did not work out for him, neither group needed to budge, and frankly what would be the point anyway both sides accepted losing.

    The Mantra marches on, the crime stats gatherers and tattoo collectors navel gaze.

  19. A destructive Jewish anarchist and nihilist:

    Since hearing of the rampage, Tierney has been trying to figure out why Loughner did what he allegedly did. “More chaos, maybe,” he says. “I think the reason he did it was mainly to just promote chaos. He wanted the media to freak out about this whole thing. He wanted exactly what’s happening. He wants all of that.” Tierney thinks that Loughner’s mindset was like the Joker in the most recent Batman movie: “He fucks things up to fuck shit up, there’s no rhyme or reason, he wants to watch the world burn. He probably wanted to take everyone out of their monotonous lives: ‘Another Saturday, going to go get groceries’—to take people out of these norms that he thought society had trapped us in.”

  20. Hunte’rs post above perefectly describes the Jew as the Jew.

    I called Loughner’s racial status right away,

  21. He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with “lucid dreaming”—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became “more interested in this world than our reality.” Tierney adds, “I saw his dream journal once. That’s the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner’s mind, there’s a dream journal that will tell you everything.” ….

    Sounds a lot like the plot of the movie Inception it came out on Blue ray a few weeks ago. It was directed by the same guy who made that overly long Batman movie where Heath Ledger played a version of the Joker as a carbon copy of the villain in the first Dirty Harry movie that his friend mentioned. Wonder if he had any movie obsessions like Hinkely?

  22. Someone found Loughner’s profile on a gay dating website.

    Is this confirmed? Or more speculation? If true I doubt the media will let that cat out of the bag. Maybe, maybe not? Some of his alleged discombobulated writing is online in which he talked about girls and sounds sexually frustrated, but he also say strange stuff about “girls and their hot boyfriends.” That is sort of a red flag. Do straight men describe other guys in that way?

  23. Rush just reported, some “progressive” created a phony facebook page for Laughner right after the shooting with all kinds of links to The Tea Party, Palin, etc. I wonder if that fake page is where the media got that Amren smear they went with. If true don’t expect any apologies or even to allow Taylor to speak in his defense.

  24. You guys are talking so much about the shooter luckily not being clearly on the right, that you are already doing your share to spread this notion… it is like repeatedly saying “Do not think of a pink elephant” or saying “Thank God I am not a fag”. Now, what image comes to your mind, when you hear that?

  25. I’m on the CCofC mailing list. They’re reporting Fox has backed down on citing DHS as the source of the Taylor smear. According to the CCofC, Fox is now claiming the Taylor memo came from some anonymous police source.

  26. The real story that is emerging here is that the dumbass sheriff in Tucscon had advanced warning that Loughner was making threats for months and sat on his ass and did nothing to protect citizens.

    Loughner threatened to kill cops on his MySpace page in December. The police had been called to the university and library because of this guy several times. He had threatened talk radio show hosts several times.

    Why weren’t they watching this guy?

  27. Petronius,

    Michael O’Meara and Harold Covington advocate “the methods of Connelly and Pearse.” You can buy a copy from Greg Johnson at Counter-Currents:

    O’Meara says in that essay:

    Unlike their conservative critics, secessionists have a plan, a simple, straightforward one, that offers whites an alternative to an unreformable system and an inescapable death.

    This plan has the advantage of being (a) eminently po­litical, (b) based on proven historical precedents, and (c) imbued with the power to generate a will to nationhood. . .

    In the 1870s and ’80s, a generation after the An Gorta Mor (the Great Hunger), revolutionary and conservative na­tionalists agreed to be allies in the common struggle for Irish nationhood. The revolutionary Fenians, preeminently in the form of Michael Davitt’s Land League, which led the rebellion in the countryside, gave the constitutionalists in Charles Stewart Parnell’s Irish Parliamentary Party the social leverage to force concessions from the English at Westminster—con­cessions that eventually won back many Irish lands. Then, once the constitutionalists had gone as far as they could, by about 1911 or so, the revolutionary, physical-force wing of Irish nationalism took over to complete the nationalist project.

    We American secessionists want whatever works best for the future of our people. If our “constitutionalists,” per­haps in the form of a third party, are able to create dissen­sion and vulnerability among the “English” in a way that promotes white interests, they are to be supported. But once they fail, we will need to turn, as did the Irish, to the methods of Connelly and Pearse. . . .

    This is the spirit we secessionists hope to stir in white Americans.

    The situation today may, therefore, be totally grim, but politically there is no more feasible or marketable strategy to awaken our people, especially as they become aware of their approaching minority status and all it implies.

  28. I’m not so sure about the “gay” claim. WND is reporting that the Daily Kos blogger “Blue Boy” is still blogging, and is a middle aged man. I believe it was the “Blue Boy” profile that said he was gay, and the Blue Boy profile that connected to the gay dating site.

    If the shooter is not Blue Boy then I don’t think we have a gay connection.

  29. I’m on the CCofC mailing list. They’re reporting Fox has backed down on citing DHS as the source of the Taylor smear. According to the CCofC, Fox is now claiming the Taylor memo came from some anonymous police source.Figures. The reporterette who started it all is a nobody who’s entire resume is a like a parody of progressive journalism. She intereviewed Mandela in SA while working in Johannesberg, she interviewed Sharon in Tel Aviv while stationed in Israel. It’s a hyper-political resume – her dad’s a big wig with his own law/lobbying firm in DC, her husband writes for the NY Times.

    She’s a either a shill herself or has been badly used by her source to advance their own narrative and was too stupid to realize she was being played. The Fox report claimed that Gilford was the highest “Jewish female” ever elected to such a position, which would surely be news to Barbara Boxer and Feinstein. So the little-girl reporter was too stupid to even notice that howler?

    Fox has a lot of egg on their face, again.

  30. Jackson says:
    The reporterette who started it all is a nobody who’s entire resume is a like a parody of progressive journalism. She intereviewed Mandela in SA while working in Johannesberg, she interviewed Sharon in Tel Aviv while stationed in Israel. It’s a hyper-political resume – her dad’s a big wig with his own law/lobbying firm in DC, her husband writes for the NY Times.

    She’s a either a shill herself or has been badly used by her source to advance their own narrative and was too stupid to realize she was being played.

    Jack Ryan replies:

    My viewing of this smear news story was that the woman was just a presenter and the male reporter was giving this inside scoop from a source at the DHS.

    The male reporter is, surprise, surprise a Jew (here’s his bio)

    Rosen joined FOX News Channel in 1999.

    James Rosen is a Washington correspondent for the Fox News Channel, where he has worked since February 1999.
    Having covered the White House under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and the State Department under Secretaries Condoleezza Rice and Hillary Clinton, Rosen has reported from 49 states and more than three dozen foreign countries across five continents. He has filed stories from Afghanistan, Colombia, Haiti, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, Pakistan, and Uganda, as well as Capitol Hill, the Pentagon, the Supreme Court, and the presidential campaign trail.
    Rosen has interviewed many notable figures, ranging from presidents and Cabinet secretaries to four justices of the Supreme Court, as well as cultural icons like screen legend Jerry Lewis, authors William F. Buckley, Jr. and Tom Wolfe, and chess master Gary Kasparov.
    Rosen’s articles and essays have been published in most major newspapers, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, and USA Today, and in prestigious periodicals like Harper’s, Playboy, the National Review, and the American Bar Association Journal.
    Rosen spent 17 years researching and writing “The Strong Man: John Mitchell and the Secrets of Watergate,” which was published by Doubleday in 2008 and named one of the best books of the year by the Wall Street Journal.
    Born in Brooklyn and raised on Staten Island, Rosen earned his bachelor of arts in political science at The Johns Hopkins University and a master’s degree from Northwestern University’s Medill School of Journalism. A collector of rare Beatles recordings, he lives in Washington, D.C. with his wife and their two sons.

  31. I’m reflecting on the sheer stupidity of violence.

    The Left has used everything from Emmett Till to Medgar Evers to Matthew Shepard to James Byrd (I know of at least three “civil rights acts” named after them) as ammunition to demonize us. Americans never respond well to violence.

    The only time violence has ever created sympathy for White people in this country, at least since the days of Jesse James and the Wild West, is when the government has been perceived as the violent aggressor.

    Waco and Ruby Ridge fueled anti-government sentiment for that reason. Oklahoma City had exactly the opposite effect.

    What kind of moron believes that another Oklahoma City would be a good thing for us? What kind of idiot calls the assassination of public officials a plan? What sense does it make to subsidize that sort of thinking?

  32. The “reality is wht you *say* it is – facts mean nothing” is an Uber Jewish thing. Kabbala Black magic. The Self Chosen are Above factual reality.

    Major Blue and Silver Star of Satan flag, there…

  33. Sound like anyone we know?

    As more information is coming out about the Arizona shooter Jared Loughner, it becomes more and more clear that he is mentally disturbed. His friends describe him as a “liberal” and was pushing for George W. Bush to lose the 2004 presidential election. He was a “pothead” and hated the Christian faith. He also liked bands that had anti-American messages. . . .

    An ardent atheist, he began to characterize people as sheep whose free will was being sapped by the government and the monotony of modern life.

    “He didn’t want people to wake up and do the same thing every day. He wanted more chaos, he wanted less regularity,” one friend said. . . .

    He shot and killed the lemmings and system politicians!

    Loughner appears to be a nihilistic young person influenced by constant beratement about how American society and the Bush Administration was illegal and evil. He took these flights of fancy to the extreme– hating the system and his Congresswoman. He seemed to take the counter-culture to its insane conclusion, choosing violence instead of reasonable discourse.

  34. Here’s the thing about violence -it works.

    Under the right circumstances – careful wellapplied violence works. Wreaks all kinds of havoc – the point, ‘n all, in order ot get the Herd to stampede, and to do anything the Overlords want,

    But violence will only work against us now. We don’t NEED that. Violence would absolutely work against oor best White interests. Violent attacks by one of our own would only be a gift to our enemies,

    We must strive to be wholly law abiding, telentless goody two shoes.

  35. There are absolute nutcases commenting over at the occidental observer. I used to respect Kevin MacDonald, but now I view him as weak and ineffective, just like Ron Paul, for doing absolutely nothing about the vast amount of trolling he allows in his comments section on his website. It discredits everything he thinks he is accomplishing. His site is one of the most trolled by either leftist fakes, or lunatics out there. There is far more insanity there than Stormfront, if I were him no way would I allow most of that strange crap to be posted there. Thankfully Amren has a fairly effective moderation policy, they don’t have a paper trail of insanity for the public to come see.

  36. I do not respect people who censor comments. Period. Censoring reflects far more poorly on a blogger than lunatic commenters.

  37. I mostly agree that violence doesn’t work for our side, hasn’t worked for a long time.

    One possible exception is the pro Life movement in very White areas like North Dakota. Very dedicated White pro life activists have worked to identify, intimidate and in a few instances use violence against those doing abortions on (White) children in North Dakota and other states.

    I aslo think our side needs to consider more practical types of violence, the kind the anti White Left uses and gets away with it.

    The left uses disruptions, threats of violence to break up Conservative speeches on campus – they don’t use guns, or bombs, or kill or maim people – they just disrupt and make the position that these college campuses are their “turf” and Conservatives, racially aware Whites are not allowed because of threats of violent disruption.

    Our side might consider giving up lots of guns that are never used and instead learn how to throw balloons full of foul smelling liquids, learn how to cancel lectures, conventions, same thing the Left does to cancel American Renaissance conventions.

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