Horrendous Leadership

The ghost of Jefferson Davis haunts Washington

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At The American Interest, Walter Russell Mead complains of the “horrendous leadership” of the American South in the 1850s.

The real excellent leadership being that of the corporate lawyer Abraham Lincoln who waged a war of aggression on the people of Virginia and Tennessee for peacefully seceding from the USA.

Let us compare Jefferson Davis to Barack Hussein Obama and compare their “leadership qualities.” I’m quite sure the Confederacy is “horrendous” from the perspective of The American Interest, which is the self interest of the USA and the liberal establishment, but what about the interest and perspective of the CSA which was destroyed in 1865?

What did The Confederate Interest of the CSA sound like?

“FELLOW-CITIZENS AND BRETHREN OF THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA: For now we are brethren, not in name merely, but in fact, men of one flesh, one bone, one interest, one purpose and of an identity of domestic institutions, we have hence I trust a prospect of living together in peace, with our institutions subject to protection not defamation. It may be our career will be ushered in in the middle of storm. It may be that as this morning opened with clouds, mist and rain, we shall have to encounter inconvenience at the beginning; but as the sun rose it lifted the mist and dispelled the clouds, and left the pure sunlight of Heaven, so will the progress of the Southern Confederacy carry us safe to the harbor of constitutional liberty and political equality. [Applause.] Thus we have nothing to fear at home, because we have homogenity. We will have nothing to fear abroad, because if war should come, if we must again baptize in blood the principles for which our fathers bled in the Revolution, we shall show that we are not degenerate sons, but will redeem the pledges they gave, preserve the sacred rights they transmitted to us, and show that Southern valor still shines as brightly as in 1776, 1812, and in every other conflict.

“An agricultural people, whose chief interest is the export of a commodity required in every manufacturing country, our true policy is peace, and the freest trade which our necessities will permit.”

“It is joyous, in the midst of perilous times, to look around upon a people united in heart, where one purpose of high resolve animates and actuates the whole–where the sacrifices to be made are not weighed in the balance against honor and right and liberty and equality. Obstacles may retard, they cannot long prevent the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice, and sustained by a virtuous people. Reverently let us invoke the God of our fathers to guide and protect us in our efforts to perpetuate the principles which, by his blessing, they were able to vindicate, establish and transmit to their posterity, and with a continuance of His favor, ever gratefully acknowledged, we may hopefully look forward to success, to peace, and to prosperity.

Sounds a lot better to me.

Clearly, we are so much better off under Barack Hussein Obama in Black Run America in the year 2011, where it is a thought crime to be a White man, where future generations of White Southerners are being sold into slavery to Chinese bond holders, where teenagers disfigure their bodies with grotesque tattoos, where Lincoln’s Union and multinational corporations are sacred but the White family has been destroyed, where everyone works for the Wall Street credit card and the Countrywide mortgage, where our soldiers secure the border of South Korea and fight for the “freedom” of Libya and Turkey.

We are so much better off for getting the chance to live under 100 years of poverty in the USA, the Gilded Age, the Civil Rights Movement, World War 2, Korea, and Vietnam. Thankfully, Washington was wise enough to give us the “Great Society” and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, surrender Texas and California to Mexico, sue Arizona and Alabama, put Luis Gutierrez in the House of Representatives, and to repeal the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy to make the U.S. military a more effective fighting force in the Middle East.

Where would be without the leadership of Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, and Barney Frank? Where would we be without Newsweek and the New York Times and Barack Hussein Obama’s teleprompter? Where would we be without Wall Street and the Federal Reserve’s magic money machine?

Better off?

Note: If you want to read Jefferson Davis’s message in a bottle for posterity, you can read The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government and draw your own conclusions.

It is a far weightier volume than Rick Perry’s “Fed Up” or Barack Hussein Obama’s “Dreams of My Father.” There is nothing quite like the experience of reading the original sources and comparing them to court historians like James McPherson’s “Battle Cry of Freedom.”

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50 Comments

  1. Respectfully, the real problem was the imperial Supreme Court- already an old institution in those days- and not any obsessive desire of Northerners at large to do away with slavery.

    Northerners as a whole didn’t object to slavery in the South, they only wanted it to stay there, and be a matter of the peoples’ choice in the territories. Dred Scott eliminated the second. Lemmon v. New York threatened to eliminate the first, and make slavery legal everywhere.

    Roger Taney started the Civil War pretty much all by himself.

  2. Yeah — and let’s not forget how many of our problems go back to that Yankee Lyndon Johnson. Oh, wait …

    (Sorry, Hunter. Couldn’t resist.)

  3. John,

    That’s fine.

    We hate LBJ in Alabama. He is a race traitor. He was the Vice President of John F. Kennedy. I will never defend LBJ because he was one of the worst presidents in American history.

    LBJ himself knew he had self consciously betrayed his own people. As he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which the South filibustered in the Senate and voted almost unanimously against in Congress, Johnson is said to have told an aide, “We have lost the South for a generation.”

    The backlash against LBJ over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was so overwhelming that LBJ announced on television that he wouldn’t run for reelection in 1968.

    LBJ succeeded in destroying the Democratic Party in the South … not for one generation, but perhaps forever.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968

    In 1968, George Wallace carried Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Richard Nixon won every other Southern state but Texas.

  4. Thrasymachus,

    In seceding from the Union, the Confederacy relinquished its claim to the territories. It was an eminently wise decision.

    In the Confederacy, every state had the same domestic problem that is the existence of black people within our borders, everyone more or less shared the same religion, everyone had the same racial identity, everyone was related through kinship, everyone believed in racial inequality, everyone had a stake in the agrarian economy, everyone lived under the same climate, etc.

    In essence, the Confederacy was an early stab at creating a nation-state like France or Germany in the American South. It wasn’t created with that express purpose in mind, but the blood sacrifice and desolation of 1861 to 1877 created a nation out of the war experience and the military occupation, which was glorified by the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the United Daughters of the Confederacy in the Jim Crow years.

    Still to this day, the monuments that were erected in those years (in the late nineteenth century/early twentieth century) can be found in the center of literally every Southern town from Virginia to Texas.

    It is an alternative vision of society that we can always fall back on … when Barack Hussein Obama and the whole system that was created as a result of the War Between the States finally jumps the shark and comes crashing down.

  5. Except the fact that they did not have the manufacturing capacity to arm themselves against their enemies. Big problem that a lot of agrarians consistently overlook. Peaceful agrarians get eaten by nomadic hordes on horseback and by industrial powers. Also, all those slaves where not much help in the war.

  6. Federale,

    The lessons of the War Between the States are obvious in hindsight. I completely agree. I’m not opposed to commerce or manufacturing.

    Here in Alabama, Birmingham was created in the War Between the States. In the Chattahoochee Valley, Columbus became a major manufacturing center because of its centralized location and distance from the front in Virginia.

    If the South were ever thrown back on its own resources, as it was between 1861 and 1865 because of the Union blockade, it would respond in a similar way. We would have to build our own industries.

    After the globalized world economy succumbs to its own instability (which by my best estimates is not far away), we will face a similar predicament. Wal-Mart will go out of business once its supply lines to the Third World evaporate.

    We will have to make things here again.

  7. Hmm — I wonder whether Johnson actually said that, about “losing the South for a generation.” It’s like most bits of American political mythology in that it seems like something contrived by a liberal, to sell a liberal point. In this case, the subtext is: “Race consciousness is insubstantial, a mere product of upbringing. The next generation of white Southerners will have come of age in the post-Civil-Rights-Act wonderworld and will thus be without race consciousness, horrid thing that it is.”

  8. PS The other part of the subtext is: “Race consciousness is just a Southern thing.”

  9. Likely.

    LBJ was a talented arm twister. He was the “Master of the Senate.” Johnson knew perfectly well what he was doing. He knew the South hated Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    Johnson sank underneath Vietnam, inner city riots, the backlash against the Civil Rights Movement, conservative opposition to the Great Society. Unlike Obama, LBJ was genuinely talented, which was why his presidency was a legislative success.

    His ideas were completely deluded, but he was quite adept at pushing those ideas into law. At least until he bit off more than he could chew.

  10. For me the math is simple: LBJ=scalawag; Yankee=hypocrite. QED.
    Some telling quotes compiled by Confederate Colonel. Many thanks to him.

    “The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it.”
    Robert E. Lee

    “Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world”.
    Abraham Lincoln – U.S. Congress, 1847

    A little over 10 years later after the South attempted precisely that, Lincoln, when asked, “Why not let the South go in peace”? replied; “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government”? “And, what then will become of my tariff”?
    Abraham Lincoln to Virginia Compromise Delegation March 1861

    “The real issue involved in the relations between the North and the South of the American States, is the great principle of self-government. Shall a dominant party of the North rule the South, or shall the people of the South rule themselves. This is the great matter in controversy.”
    Robert Barnwell Rhett (Montgomery, Alabama, 1860)

    “Instead of friends, I see in Washington only mortal enemies. Instead of loving the old flag of the stars and stripes, I see in it only the symbol of murder, plunder, oppression, and shame.”
    Rose O’Neal Greenhow, Confederate Spy

    “It is stated in books and papers that Southern children read and study that all the blood shedding and destruction of property of that conflict was because the South rebelled without cause against the best government the world ever saw; that although Southern soldiers were heroes in the field, skillfully massed and led, they and their leaders were rebels and traitors who fought to overthrow the Union, and to preserve human slavery, and that their defeat was necessary for free government and the welfare of the human family. As a Confederate soldier and as a citizen of Virginia, I deny the charge, and denounce it as a calumny. We were not rebels; we did not fight to perpetuate human slavery, but for our rights and privileges under a government established over us by our fathers and in defense of our homes.”
    Colonel Richard Henry Lee, C.S.A.

    “Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.”
    Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864

    “Sirs, you have no reason to be ashamed of your Confederate dead; see to it they have no reason to be ashamed of you.”
    Robert Lewis Dabney, Chaplain for Stonewall Jackson

  11. Race consciousness has been “a Southern thing” since Jamestown. It all goes back to Jamestown and the practical adaptations that Englishmen had to make to be successful at living in the New World.

    It required White solidarity to fend off the hostile Indians, to manage the black slaves, to prevent desertions from the phalanx of the vulnerable English colonists in Virginia. White racial consciousness in the American South is far older than the United States.

    By the 1660s, full blown White racial consciousness existed in Virginia and Maryland. It was brought to South Carolina by the founding White settlers who moved there from Barbados.

    The unbroken tradition of White racial consciousness in the American South stretches from Jamestown to me sitting here behind the computer screen. I understand how it evolved on this continent because I have spent almost a decade studying its history.

    Note: After King Phillips War and Bacon’s Rebellion, Massachusetts and Virginia were both racially conscious, but neither English colony started out that way.

  12. The Founders attempted to marry New England to Dixie in the United States after the American Revolution had been won in a mutual struggle against Great Britain. The Constitution was the “Compromise of 1789.”

    It was a noble effort.

    By the mid-1790s, New England and Dixie were already at odds under George Washington over the Republic that had been created in 1789. Jefferson and Madison were at odds with Hamilton and Adams.

    The presidential contest between Jefferson and Adams was one of bitterest in American history. Jefferson defeated Adams. In their elderly years, the two reconciled and became affectionate again. They died within days of each other.

    Jefferson himself saw the Missouri Compromise as the knell of the Union. If memory serves, he also sided with his own section.

  13. @Federale
    The Yankees were hardly your contrived “nomads on horseback.” Of course nomads lack a persistent military strategy and therefore evaporate over time. Armchair commandos probably find this hard to understand, but agrarian societies are the most highly effective military societies.

    Agrarian societies foster the soldierly virtues needed to succeed in warfare. That is why the Yankees had a hard time conquering the South. Southern marksmanship, horsemanship, and overall toughness were the direct result of the agrarian lifestyle. These are rare qualities among more effete urban dwellers. The North could not have won without the contribution made by the agrarian Midwesterners.

    The bad guys simply won because they had more people and they developed a knack for commiting war crimes against the civilian population of the South. Their slight technological superiority was easily offset by the superior leadership and fighting qualites of the Southern soldier.

    Many slaves contributed greatly to the Southern war effort. Check the pension rolls for any Southern state. The UCV continued to express their gratitude to the loyal slaves of South throughout the years following the war. The Yankees were never able to provoke a widespread insurrection of slaves like they wanted to before or during the war.

    Which, while it isn’t really saying much, is why you can trust a black more than you can trust a Yankee. Yankees are treacherous and deceitful and thus lower than the lowest nigger in Africa. That’s why they don’t mind being whipped on by their negro pets when they flash mob them. Yankees reserve their fury for Southern whites only.

    It’s kind of like that woman who was mauled by her pet chimpanzee recently. Even though he tore off her face, she still loved him and did not want him put down. Talk about failing to understanding a higher concept like loyalty. Such is the Yankee.

  14. Apuleius — you’re not a fan of the Old Testament by any chance, are you? I ask because I can’t help thinking you find its mentality congenial. Phoenicia’s treacherous and money-grubbing, Assyria’s treacherous and money-grubbing, the Pharaoh’s a bastard — everybody except MY PEOPLE — which loses every war it gets itself into — is bereft of any virtues or redeeming qualities whatsoever.

    I think you’re nuts.

  15. The Union had various military advantages over the Confederacy:

    (1) The Union Navy was unquestionably one of the biggest advantages. It allowed the Union to blockade the Southern coast, starve the home front, and encourage desertion from the front lines.

    (2) The Union had industries which allowed it to make endless reams of war material. In the Antebellum era, we had grown dependent on the North and Britain to ship our products abroad and to manufacture goods.

    (3) The Union had a much larger population than the Confederacy. It could send endless waves of German and Irish immigrant troops into the Confederate lines.

    (4) The Confederacy fractured the South because it was perceived by non-slaveholders in some areas as being a “rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight.” Thus, Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, and Delaware were lost to the Union.

    East Tennessee, West Virginia, Western North Carolina, North Alabama, and the German areas of Texas were similar sites of Southern disaffection.

    (5) The Union didn’t have the massive black fifth column within the North. Lincoln exploited the racial and class divisions within the Confederacy to the advantage of the Union.

    In hindsight, we can see now why we lost the War Between the States. The problems are fairly easy to identify. In seceding from the United States, the Confederacy was materially unprepared for the challenge and the South was divided against itself.

    There is nothing that can be done about that now, but … this is the 21st century and now the balance of power within the Union has changed drastically from the 1860s. It is a tactical mistake to fight the last war.

    (1) Slavery doesn’t exist anymore.

    (2) This eliminates the biggest source of division within the South. What reason does Kentucky or West Virginia or East Tennessee have to be disaffected with the South in the 21st century?

    (3) The North doesn’t have its halo of moral authority anymore. There is no “great evil” of “racism” in the South to expunge anymore. No one is “oppressing” blacks here. On the contrary, the entire country is run for the benefit of blacks now. We live under Barack Hussein Obama.

    (4) For better or worse, the South is a manufacturing powerhouse now.

    (5) There is no such thing as a Union Army in the 21st century. Is Vermont going to field an army? Massachusetts? What about Maine?

    (6) No one would ever fight for Black Run America. Who would choose the Beltway over Arizona and Georgia? No one but Mexicans and leftist ideologues.

    (7) The entire political geography of the United States has changed since the 1860s. The South never colonized the Interior West with plantation slavery, but its people and its rural conservative worldview stretches from Dixie across the Heartland to the Canadian border.

    (8) The Midwest is now afflicted by the same racial problems which have destroyed so many of our cities in the South. Black people have destroyed Detroit. They are ruining Philadelphia.

    (9) In the 1860s, the North was a rising industrial power, but now it has outsourced its own industries to China and Mexico. The USA is a financialized house of cards which is run by Wall Street and the Federal Reserve for a few rich people can live in the Hamptons.

    (10) In the 1860s, the Mason-Dixon line was a meaningful national border, but now it has been blurred within the Union. There are vast swathes of the North and West which are closer to Dixie than the ideologues in New England and the Left Coast.

    (11) In the 21st century, the whole house of cards that is the USA will have to confront the following converging crises …

    (1) The Race Question – America cannot possibly function with Third World demographics.

    (2) The Financial Question – There has been a total separation from the financialized American economy and the production of real physical wealth.

    (3) The Spiritual Question – This rotten culture that has destroyed the foundation of our society cannot possibly support the economic and political superstructure that rests upon it.

    (4) The Energy Question – The energy question is figuring out how to run an entire society that has been constructed around the automobile with a source other than an endless supply of cheap oil which is imported from the Middle East.

    (5) The Aging Question – The aging question which Pat Buchanan so eloquently described in The Death of the West in 2001 is now on full display in Europe and Japan

    There is no way the USA with the leadership of Barack Hussein Obama is going to make it through the “Category 5 historical hurricane” described above. The system cannot possibly handle even one of terminal historical bullets described above.

    Much less ALL FIVE CRISES which will simultaneously strike the USA between 2011 and 2050. Interesting times are ahead.

  16. No, John, I am just an Ass, a Golden Ass. I’m sure you won’t get that reference, just like you won’t get the completely over the top nature of my last post. There are other books besides “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” and “To Kill a Mockingbird” you know. Some have never made the gubmint school book list even…

    It ain’t so fun to be constantly villified is it? But it is daily life around your transplanted brethren in some quarters of the bright sunny South. At least I’m not running you down in your house…

    New or Old Testament, the Bible is an extraordinarily wonderful book, isn’t it? I’m not sure what you mean by its “mentality” though. Please explain. I’d love to hear you hold forth on something else for a change. You’ve been a bit of a “one note Johnnie” of late.

  17. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=45621
    http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/president-312702-one-car.html
    http://www.the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=1003
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/fashion/the-night-is-young.html?_r=1&hp
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vRyJ9rRDnsUJ:online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html+The+President%27s+Island+Retreat+-+Peggy+Noonan,+Wall+Street+Journal&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/why_bam_doomed_9F00LyaGY07dRoSiuxPRzI

  18. Apuleius — you just have a chip on your shoulder. I’m not running you down. I’m not running down the South. I’ve never called myself or thought of myself as a Yankee; and in all the years I’ve lived in the North, I’ve never heard a Northerner call himself a Yankee — or even a Northerner.

    My only visit to the South took place decades ago, when my parents took my siblings and me to Florida, to see one of the Apollo launches. It was very exciting; and I found it very interesting that breakfast in diners was served with grits, which I’d never before seen, not home-fried potatoes. Everybody was nice to me, and I hope I was nice to them.

    That’s it.

    If I’m not mistaken, the Golden Ass is one of the Hellenistic romances. I attended Catholic schools, not the government schools that the good liberal Protestants of America forced my (uncomplaining) parents to pay taxes for. I’ve never read Uncle Tom’s Cabin or To Kill a Mockingbird because I have a sort of reading disorder that makes it almost impossible for me to read works of any length.

    No, I don’t think the Bible is a wonderful book. I wouldn’t allow it to fall into the hand of a child. I made clear that its mentality is pathological egocentrism.

    My father, who is long dead now, managed the development of the major subsystem of the radio room of the Trident submarine, which is still prowling the oceans to protect your football-game-broadcast-sitting-in-front-of Southern ass.

    And sorry: I’m not letting you off the hook. I point out that your post sounds like the ranting of a lunatic, and you retreat by suggesting I didn’t “get” that it was supposed to be “over the top.” Nice try.

  19. Hunter – Johnson was not a Race Traitor. Southern Whites are not “his people”. Johnson and Ladybird were Cryptos. Read up on their ancestry. And LOOK at them.

    He screwed over Southern White Christians, and the USA in general, because that what Nation Wreckers always do.

  20. John,

    The nation of Dixie begins immediately south of NOVA in rural Central Virginia and it stretches from there into the area in Florida between Gainesville and Tampa/Orlando. The border also runs through East Texas, Southeast Oklahoma, and Southeast Missouri before curving through Southern Illinois and Southern Indiana. It then follows the Ohio River before cutting through West Virginia back to the area beneath NOVA.

    South Florida is not part of Dixie. Neither is NOVA, South Texas, Western Missouri or Western Oklahoma. The capital of Dixie is now Atlanta.

  21. We drove from Philadelphia to Florida, over the course of a few days. I think we must have been in “Dixie” somewhere along the way.

  22. HW’s analysis of Converging Crises is on target. Going into the hardcopy file. But still fails to explicate precisely Why the South Lost. It’s simple, really, and lies twofold in the whole notion & practice of “secession” (which I support, but only to liquidate ZOGBRA):

    1) Secession as Idea. If the South can secede from The North…then individual states can secede from the South, and so on. It vitiates – and vitiated – collective effort.

    2) Secession as military strategy. The South, concerned only with “getting away” from the North, fought almost entirely DEFENSIVE battles for the first two years of the war, and this at a time when the North was not yet fully mobilized industrially and the South had a much superior officer class. South won those battles, but you cannot win any war by fighting defensively. When the South finally went over to the offensive – mid-’63 – it was too late.

    So, when CW II begins – and it’ll be long before 2050, more like 2012/13 – the Heartland is going to have secede TOWARD, not AWAY. Take out the Beltway urban corridor thru OFFENSIVE action (NG ground/air units + militias), thus destroying ZOGBRA command and control, after which seizing the rustbelt and W. coast states will be (relatively) easy. In short, this is going to be a zero-sum game. We take it all back, or we lose all.

  23. I think a Gorbachev scenario is far more likely that Civil War 2.

    Who would fight for BRA? I doubt anyone but black people would fight for the status quo. They will declare war on us regardless of what happens on “The Day The EBT Card Stops Working.”

    Note: Do you think the EBT card can possibly survive the 5 crises that I described above? Not a chance.

  24. This was pretty funny:

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/08/19/feeding-the-masses-on-unicorn-ribs/

    “There are perhaps some green jobs that would be exceptions; we could eliminate all forms of welfare and food stamps and offer the unemployed minimum wage jobs pedaling stationary bicycles hooked up to electric generators, solving our budget, poverty, obesity and energy independence problems all at once — but these are not the jobs either the President or his supporters have in mind.”

  25. Well John, the picture becomes more clear, now doesn’t it.

    Parochial schools were a good alternative for many Southerners to avoid the public education system meltdown following integration. I did not know that it was the same for Yankees like you. Post Vatican II parochial schools were eat up with the same secular Marxist “social justice” ideology as public schools, so I’m not sure you were all that far away from public education.

    At least you did give an explanation for your blind acceptance of the official Yankee dogma. You don’t have a choice since you can’t read otherwise.

    I’m glad daddy had a good paying job building submarines in the Philadelphia Naval Yard for the federal gubmint, but I am not impressed by such a tenuous connection to military service. I doubt either daddy or his offspring ever served a day in uniform to “protect” my sorry Southern ass who did. You’re barking up the wrong tree again.

    Standard Marxist pablum such as the Bible is “pathological” (opiate of the masses, don’t you know?) and of course anyone who disagrees with you is a “lunatic” (Soviet style). I’d pretty much say you’ve just “outed” yourself again, red diaper boy.

    Sounds to me like you are just another Yankee liberal.

  26. Apuleius – I just had a dose of that “We fought to defend your freedom” horse manure, in a debate with a Commie, calling himself a “Conservative” (and I thin he actually believes it.) I shot it RIGHT back, and replied, ” BALLS. You fought to destroy my freedom and collect a Gubmint paycheck. Feck off.”.

    The expression on his face was priceless. Really -a gift from God. The entire exchange was completely extemporeanious [sic] – and my retort came from nowhere – well – from the bottom of my limbic system, and top pf my psyche – but I can’t wait for my next chance to launch that one. Stopped that clown cold. He looked like I physically punched him.

    Try it whenever ya can.

  27. I don’t care whether you spent days “in uniform,” Apuleius. Everyone knows what the American man “in uniform” is: a foul-mouthed drunkard who bullies everything that gets in his way. If it weren’t for my father and the other engineers who have given you the first-class technology whose operation you can occasionally be drilled into understanding, you’d all be dead, just like all the agrarian Johnny Rebs who thought they could take on the industrial North.

  28. The “Old Testament” is certainly pathological. It is the story of a tribal god which is the invention of a desert people. A tribal god which is perfectly ok with complete genocides of different people. A violent, vengeful made up tribal god. The “Old Testament” has nothing to do with European peoples. For over 98% of the European peoples existence, the Europeans didn’t care about the made up nationalistic propaganda of the hebrews know as the “Old Testament”. The European peoples have their own recorded history. And we certainly don’t need Europeans spending large amounts of time studying some desert tribe’s nationalistic propaganda.

  29. What I was addressing Apelius was the agrarian ideal that many suffer from. It is dead. The nomadic hordes I was referring to included lessons from world history and not a reference to the Grand Army of the Republic. However, the Grand Army of the Republic was an industrial army and it defeated the agrarian based army. Southerners were better fighters, but they still lost. That is the lesson. The lesson this country has not remembered as we loose our industrial base to Red China thanks to both political parties. A nation of merchants, welfare recipients, and debtors will not win any future war either. At least the Union made things. Lots of things. Made I might point out by the white working class, designed by the white educated class. Yankees, or more generally, Northerners, were not just the vile merchant class that the Southern elite and intellectuals complained about. They were engineers, scientists, machinists, skilled laborers of all kinds, a society that worked.

    To be victorious, one must examine oneself. And the South did not do that. They were self-satisfied and rejected all criticism.

    Of course, this did not invalidate that secession was legal, nor did it invalidate the 10th Amendment, but the failure of the Southern elite, including the Firebreathers, to realize their faults led to their demise and the eventual rise of BRA.

    Just think of an America without the importation of slaves from Africa. That is a hard realization. The seeds of BRA were laid by slaveholders and the peculiar institution.

    One can actually see this in Texas. It was a slave State, but its slave population and the influence of the plantation class was less. It survived Reconstruction better than the rest of the South and suffers less from BRA because of its huge class of yeomen white farmers and ranchers. It quickly realized that industry was the future and industrialized quicker than other Southern States. All using a white working class and white educated class. Texas is what the whole of the South could have been without the burden of imported slaves. And note that Texas is a center of resistance to BRA.

  30. @Federale
    Obviously, you have never been to East Texas. Nor do you realize who built the Texas you hold up as an exemplar. Just keep trafficking in your neoconservative delusions. We’ll see where the omega point leads.

    @Phil
    That desert tribe’s history is inextricably linked to our own now. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle and uninvent or ignore its cultural influence. I don’t think its pathological for a people’s mythos to wholeheartedly support one’s people. Unless you stand outside of that tradition, which is a separate pathology all its own–modernism.

    When European identification with Christendom ceased, the slow rot of Western civilization began. Athens had the Parthenon; France had Chartres. Where are your atheist monuments and cultural achievements? It’s hard to build a monument to nothing. Nihilism is self-defeating.

    @born-a-commie
    John, your Northeastern liberal is showing again. I agree that Yankee soldiers are brutal drunks. Grant being exhibit A for the defense. Are you bitter that the descendants of Johnny Reb survive to this day? You make me ashamed of the Italian half of my family.

  31. Inasmuch as you don’t sign your name, Apuleius, you’re ashamed of both halves of your family.

    I’m not bitter that the descendants of Johnny Reb survive to this day. I cheer for the white race.

    What is pathological about the Hebrew Scriptures is not that they “wholeheartedly support” their own people. What is pathological about them is that they ascribe every frustration the Hebrews experience in their relations with other peoples to corruption of one kind or another on the parts of those others. What is pathological is the relentless egocentrism, which casts even the defeats of the Hebrews as an indication that the cosmos is centered on them, that God has given their enemies a victory to punish them (the Hebrews) for one reason or another. That is not a healthy mentality, and one should avoid absorbing it.

    I didn’t realize it’s only the Yankees who are the brutal drunks among American soldiers. Evidently, brutal drunkenness has some military advantages after all.

  32. John, I’m sure that you and the current regime would love to know my name so you can put it on your terrorism watch list, list for reindoctrination, deny me employment, or whatever.
    Regarding my Italian forebears, I did misspeak, however. I am not ashamed OF them, but FOR them.

    All those centuries of generations influenced by the “pathology” of the Good Book seem to me to be healthier than those dominated by the totalitarian atheist ideologies of the 20th century, which was bloodier than all the others combined. Those who have sought to “improve” upon Western traditions continue to create hell on earth.

    From the French Revolution and the Vendee to the Russian Revolution and the Holomodor, to the Mao’s Great Leap Forward and the Great Chinese Famine, to the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot’s killing fields, the “healthy” outlook of the anti-religious ideologues who “improve” upon venerable tradition is really quite impressive.

    The future of the white race depends upon more than physiognomy. There is a transcendent dimension without which our efforts are doomed.

  33. At this point, Apuleius, it’s not legitimate for you to put the word “pathology” in quotation marks; I’ve told you what I think is pathological about the Bible. If you have a response to that, you should make it. “Other things that have come along in recent centuries are even worse,” is not a response.

  34. John – fuck off. Really – fuck off. We aren ot interested in your defense of Niggers. We are NOT interested in your disastrous vanity. Go to anywhere in West Phlly, and bend over. Let some Nigger rape you and kill you. Just make sure you hand over your bank cards, codes, and the keys to your car, and place, first. You have NOTHING to offer us.

    Before you fuck off and die, however – please tell us, in practical terms, how much more productive and beneficial YOUR world view is, vs. ours. Tell us about the real -world – REAL WORLD – this will be difficult if not impossible – effects of Diversity are so much better than segregation, homogenous societies, and 30% White vs 8% White and dropping total global population. Tell us the real -world bennies.

    You have NOTHING else to offer. If you cannot DO the Above -then fuck off and die NOW.

  35. Gee, Denise — your comments have lost their charming touch of satire. Regardless, I have no idea how you have concluded I think what you think I think.

  36. Thank you, Denise, bless your heart. Marxist pathology is extremely intractible so there really isn’t any opportunity for discussion with these types.

    Their recalcitrance when it comes to tradition leads them ineluctibly towards violence to any who dare not agree with them. Which is why it always ends bloodily, yet in their perversion they decry traditional religions as “opiates” and “pathologies.”

    Remember, “racist” is a word coined by the Bolsheviks to dehumanize the kulaks of the Ukraine and justify their subsequent genocide. John can see that Southerners are white, which ideally should provide a basis for unity. Unfortunately, he despises our unique cultural identity, which in its particularity is a significant threat to universalist, totalitarian fantasies.

    Ultimately, our existence gives the lie to the internationalist, utopian, Marxist goal:
    “Workers of the world unite!” Reds find this infuriating. That’s why they sponsored MLK and worked tirelessly to subvert and destroy Dixie. They are very angry that we still exist, despite their control of our institutions and our government.

  37. “Apuleius-That desert tribe’s history is inextricably linked to our own know”

    Why? Because you say so? The “history” of that desert tribe has nothing to do with European people. The “old testament” isn’t even a considered a real historical book of unquestioned truth. Archaeologists in Israel, Europe, and the USA don’t consider it a 100% real historical book. It is ethnic nationalist propaganda, with a combination of history, exaggeration, and fantasy. Read the works of Israel Finkelstein, Neil Asher Silberman and Ze’ev Herzog.

    The European peoples have their own history dating back much further than recorded jewish history. The history of the Celtic and Germanic peoples goes back at least 40,000 years. The history of the Indo-European peoples goes back even further. Christians like yourself continue to try to judaize European peoples.

  38. My coffee maker went on the fritz this AM. No idea why. My above post is the result. I stand by [it] however.

    I likes ya, Apuleius. I like Phil as well. I like most of the Commenters on here – even if we go ’round on our various favorite themes, at times.

    What I don’t like is noxious snot drenched creatures, Yankees, or otherwise, who deign to lecture, hector, insult, and bedevil decent folk. Southrons, or any-one else. Especially when they are snot-drenched idiots, who are WRONG, as in Yo Vinnie. I hope he has given up. He’s a bore.

    I am a Yankee. I love my state, although it’s tragically over populated by golems like Yo Vinnie. Oh well. I will defend my decent honorable, and FACTUALLY ACCURATE Southern Brethren and Sistren (?) – because it’s the right thing to do. Were I alive during the War of Northern Aggression – I would have worked for your side.

  39. Oh, yeah, Denise — your coffee maker went on “the fritz.” Otherwise, you’d have been your usual model of white loveliness.

  40. Everyone …

    Let’s stop arguing about the War Between the States and talk instead about the new Mark Steyn book: “After America: Get Ready for Armageddon.” The year 2011 is starting to become more interesting than 1865. We get to live through 2011 and 2012.

    I just picked this one up this afternoon. I’m only two chapters into the book, but Apuleius will find this a delightful read. It is quite clear the USA is finished. As hard as it is to believe, the whole system could unravel within the next 10 years, and the Lincoln Union could dissolve in a flash like the USSR.

    Even I didn’t realize the full magnitude of the crisis we are facing. That’s saying something.

    At the same time, I picked up the latest copy of The American Interest which has the two other articles about the memory of the “Civil War” on the 150th anniversary. Here’s a brief excerpt of what you are missing:

    “That “Union,” the name so many Civil War-generation Americans came to use for the United States, is not a healthy organism as it turns 150 years old.”
    – The American Interest

    “According to CBO projections, by 2055 interest payments on the debt will exceed federal revenues. But I don’t think we’ll need to worry about a “Government of the United states” at that stage. By 1788, Louis XVI’s government in France was spending a mere 60 percent of revenues on debt service, and we know how that worked out for the House of Bourbon shortly thereafter. …

    If you’re on a train going uphill and you’re out of fuel, you’re slowing down, the coal’s already gone. What comes next? You roll backwards, downhill, fast. …

    At the upper end, America’s elite goes to school till early middle age in order to be credentialed for pseudo-employment as $350-grand-a-year diversity consultants (Michelle Obama) or ir on of the many other make-work schemes deriving from government micro-regulation of virtually every aspect of endeavor. …

    A more likely prospect is a catastrophically convulsed America that descends into Balkanized ruin and social collapse on a planet with no global order in which the former hyperpower still makes the most inviting target. …

    From Big Government to busted government, from federally regulated school bake sales to Armageddon – in nothing flat …

    “After America”? Yes. It will linger awhile in a twilight existence., arthritic and ineffectual, declining into a kind of societal dementia, unable to keep pace with what’s happening and with an ever more tenuous grip on its own past. For a while, there may still be an entity called the “United States,” but it will have fewer stars in the flag, there will be nothing to “unite” it, and it will bear no relation to the republic of limited government the first generation of Americans fought for. And life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness will be conspicuous by their absence.”
    – Mark Steyn

    i.e., Wall Street and Washington collapse the American economy, the Heartland repudiates the debt, bails out on DC and the Jewunion, time for CSA 2.0

    Why the hell should every state from North Dakota to South Carolina be enslaved to Washington’s absurd national debt? Do they actually believe future generations of Whites are willing to pay to get BRA and the liberal establishment?

    I might actually live to see the Republic of Alabama!

  41. Good pull quote from Steyn. Steyn is the only first-rate intellect left on the mainstream “right.” It is unfortunate Steyn traffics in half-truths and lies by omission by avoiding the race issue and other important matters. But he can definitely turn a phrase.

    It will linger awhile in a twilight existence., arthritic and ineffectual, declining into a kind of societal dementia, unable to keep pace with what’s happening and with an ever more tenuous grip on its own past. For a while, there may still be an entity called the “United States,” but it will have fewer stars in the flag, there will be nothing to “unite” it, and it will bear no relation to the republic of limited government the first generation of Americans fought for. And life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness will be conspicuous by their absence.”

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