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  3. The North’s advantage was that it has a stronger industrial/technology base than the South. It seems odd that they couldn’t see that mechanization would eventually end slavery at some point – they just had to be patient.

  4. It’s quite clear that the North did it to set the black on the white.

    Engineers must have anticipated such machinery in the 1840s.

  7. Likewise, our genocide can be reversed by genetic engineering. We don’t necessarily need to go apeshit.

  10. The War wasn’t about ending slavery…it was about taxation/tariffs, and the South departing from the clutches of Lincoln.

  11. “Likewise, our genocide can be reversed by genetic engineering. We don’t necessarily need to go apeshit.”

    I agree to some extent. Everyone said InVitro Fertilization would be too expensive for people to use. Now people are doing that all the time. “Designer babies” will save us from extinction, but it is up to us as to what kind of world they will be born into. In particularly, we need to destroy the self annihilating pathological altruism of leftist liberal cultural marxists. We also need to maintain dominance in our lands and fight multiculturalism. We also need to continue to document and spread videos of non-Whites attacking White people.

  12. Endgame: AIDS in Black America.

    On PBS right now. I could deliver the show in two sentences.

    Bitches stop fucking. Nigs stop the down low.

    They are so delusional! What overgrown children.

  13. The War Between the States was about revenue. In essence, one could argue that the South was being enslaved by the North. Which is ironic, no?

  14. I know Surrency well, and often drive through the countryside on autumn nights to see the harvest moon shine on the cotton fields. There is nothing like it.

    Now if we could only get the onion and fruit farmers to mechanize, we would be in business.

  15. When I was studying engineering at the University of Minnesota Institute of Technology I took a class called “The History of Technology”. At one point the textbook drifted into unexpected territory when the author pointed out that one of the major causes of animosity between the Northern and Southern states were tariffs that D.C. put on agricultural equipment that the Southern planters purchased from European countries. They were trying to level the playing field for the manufacturers in Massachusetts and New York who produced equipment that was inferior to and more expensive than the European machines.

    The book never stated that the tariffs were as big a catalyst for secession as the slavery issue, but I got the impression that the author believed that to be true.

    Imagine that. The Yankees hindered the technology that would have rendered slave labor unprofitable and unsustainable. Slavery would have went away without a shot being fired if they had just let the world move on the way it always does.

  16. Hunter-

    I am several chapters into the worn copy of “Dispossessed Majority” which showed up on my porch a few nights ago. Robertson seems to think that the Civil War had a dysgenic affect on the loins of the South, similar to the thinning of the blood that occured in France after Napoleon got a shit-ton of her men killed. Forgive me for posing this question, but is it not possible that those who were possessed of what Robertson termed a “near-suicidal chivalry” got themselves killed, thus robbing us of the fruits of their loins (there were no sperm banks circa 1865), while all of the shirkers, slackers, and disabled stayed behind creating (or at least perpetuating the stereotype of) the slack-jawed yokels who are the butt of jokes on “The Simpsons” or in a movie like “Deliverance?”

    I know Southern soldiers were not as big on rape as Northern ones, so the men who were the tip on the Confederate spear didn’t get a lot chances to spread their seed. In any event, I will try to dredge the specific Robertson quote for you. It is a good book, overall though.

  17. Hemp is a better textile crop. Hemp clothes actually get softer than cotton with washings. And hemp doesn’t require as much pesticides or fertilizer.

  19. Todd: Machines are presently available to harvest onions, but they destroy a lot of product and they are far more expensive than the pickers that run on burritos. It’s the same story with machines that core cabbages. The bean powered corers can hold their own against the machine and they produce 10% more product and they don’t leave half the core in the cabbages with crooked cores.

    Like it or not, the food industry is still dependent on cheap human labor.

    I spent 20 years in the food-processing machinery industry and helped develop hundreds of machines that cooked, mixed, ground, extruded and packaged just about any food item you can name. Some of the packaging machines moved so fast that all you could see was a blur. Some of the machines possessed such mechanical dexterity that no human could match their movements and speed.

    After participating in all of that, I can tell you with complete certainty that a machine capable of picking tree and bush fruit will come into being right after they start selling sex androids on the Home Shopping Network.

  20. yankees couldn’t see that mechanization would make slavery obsolete because they initially didn’t give a damn about slavery. All they carried about was holding on to the tax revenue a free South would cost them. When that proved unpopular, and the yankees were sore from getting their asses handed to them, and worried that a European power would back the South, and because the war out east was going our way….lincoln shifted the purpose to ending slavery. Which got all the negro lovers in the damn union all fired up because they had a new moral crusade, and one that sounded better then “lets brawl of tax revenue” and took European support out o0f the equation

    neither side predicted how devastating the war would be. I’d imagine a lot of upper tier dmanyankees were pissed when the war cost them so dearly and destroyed the tax base they wanted to hold on to.

  21. BRA’s culture has only the most tenuous connection to reality. Instead of being raped by rednecks in North Georgia, the Atlanta suburbs have expanded into that area where Deliverance was shot to escape the Black Undertow.

  22. I know the shakers to knock peaches off the trees leave your peaches in rough shape, only good for canning. Which brings the grower less cash. Framing is a very low profit business and you rely on a small profit per unit of measure and high yields

    However, when I was a kid, White teenage boys use to do a lot of farm work over the summer. It was a high paying gig for the time. If I remember correctly I made $12 an hour working tobacco fields back in the late 70’s early 80’s. That was under the table. No one checked how old we were, there was no health plan etc etc. Also remember male teachers would work the fields too since they had the summers off and the pay was good.

    Now farmers can’t get away paying “documented workers” under the table.

  23. In the 1860’s German farmers grew cotton crops in southeastern Pennsylvania, using their own family labour.

  25. Mosin-

    Robertson’s contention is that whites would not have been capable of working 12-16 hours toiling in the fields in the deep South, as the original southerners were mostly transplants from the Colonies. The negro was suited to this labor, in his estimation. Pennsylvania is of course temperately very different from the region usually discussed on this forum.

  26. I also reckon the North couldn’t risk losing New Orleans as a trading port. Good point about the tax farming. Must be a big consideration today.

  28. Stone makes a central point. The Federation made money from the agricultural economy. Real money. Also port customs from New Orleans.

    Slavery could only have been a cause for idiots, fanatics. The cynical reality is mountains of revenue.

  29. Haha. Nothing like Yankee ingenuity to show you dumbass rednecks up for the stupid shit for brains that you are. We need to keep sending our niggers back to you.

  30. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_McCormick

    Cyrus Hall McCormick, Sr. (1809–1884) was an American inventor and founder of the McCormick Harvesting Machine Company, which became part of International Harvester Company in 1902.[2] From the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia, he and many members of his family became prominent residents of Chicago.

    Although McCormick is credited as the “inventor” of the mechanical reaper, he based his work on that of many others, including Scottish and American men, more than two decades of work by his father, and the aid of Jo Anderson (slave), a slave held by his family. Cyrus McCormick filed patents for the invention, and his achievements were chiefly in the development of a company, marketing and sales force to market his products.

  31. Read down on that link. Lincolnwas involved in the patent cars surrounding combined harvesters.

    Oh the irony.

  32. Here’s an excerpt from Starving the South: How The North Won The Civil War:

    “Harvesting grain was one of the farmer’s most vexing challenges. Farmers had some flexibility in deciding when to plow, sow, weed, winnow, and thresh their grain, but harvesting was a high-stakes task that had to be completed within ten to fourteen days – sometimes less, depending on the weather. In 1830, farm workers harvested wheat by hand, an arduous and exhausting task. Since the late eighteenth century, British and American inventors had tried unsuccessfully to create a workable mechanical reaper. That soon changed, however. Beginning in 1831, Cyrus McCormick, a farmer in Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley, invented, refined, and patented various designs. Since slavery dominated Southern plantation agriculture, there was less interest in the South in a labor-saving device such as as a mechanical harvester.”

    The South grew cotton and corn and raised hogs. Wheat was a much bigger crop in the North. Everyone knows the story of Eli Whitney’s cotton gin, but that is not the whole story:

    “There was great interest in reapers and other mechanical devices in the Midwest, where labor was scarce and land was cheap. Recognizing that geographical advantage, McCormick moved his operations from Virginia to Chicago in 1847. Due to its strategic location as a transportation hub, the city was growing rapidly. In this more advantageous environment, sales of McCormick’s reapers skyrocketed. By 1860, thanks to the mechanization, wheat production in Midwestern states – Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa – soared to half the national total. In 1860, William H. Seward, a U.S. Senator at the time and the future Secretary of State under President Abraham Lincoln, concluded, “Owing to Mr. McCormick’s invention, the line of civilization moves westward thirty miles each year.”

    Cyrus McCormick’s mechanical reaper revolutionized Midwestern wheat production. The Midwest would grow the food that would feed the Union Army that destroyed the Confederacy.

  33. Lincoln was involved in the patent cases… D’oh.

    Stunning really. He must have known that full mechanization was no more than a decade away. What a butcher.

  35. And that wheat production went on to obliterate the wheat producers in the free trade parts of Europe right before the 1st world war.

  36. Yup.

    Free trade triumphed in Britain in the 1840s, I believe. The UK was dependent upon Southern cotton, but it was also dependent on cheap Midwestern food. That’s one reason Britain didn’t recognize the Confederacy.

  38. Midwestern wheat obliterated European wheat production in the 1800s. When the Corn Laws were repealed British farmers switched to products other than wheat. This was in the early 1880s. Stone made a good point about the revenue the Fed drew from the south. Seccession would have removed a pile of cash for sinecires and backhanders.

  39. growing some cotton isn’t the same as being the leading producer of cotton Mosin. Not even close

  43. “shakers to knock peaches off the trees leave your peaches in rough shape, only good for canning. Which brings the grower less cash”

    Same thing down here with oranges, edible oranges have soft skins and need to be picked by hand, juicing oranges can be picked by machine, but, it damages the tree and reduces it’s longevity.

  44. Interesting Peak. I’m endlessly fascinated by farming details like this. Even on things like oranges, which I will never grow. I never thought about it past peaches but now I’m figuring that would be true for fruit trees across the spectrum

    I sided stepped the whole issue by doing a pick your own operation with the peaches. Got that from a freind of mine who did it with blueberries. It’s a pain in the ass, but the peaches are more about not paying the full amount of property tax then making money. And really the money is better. Overhead being what it is and not having very many acres in production.

  45. “The South was even more dependent upon Midwestern food and animals.”

    Not so. Most Southerners were subsistence farmers at this time, who grew corn and raised hogs for their subsistence. Tennessee was known as the “Hog and Hominy” state at this time. Hence all your Southern favorites like cornbread, grits, and country ham.
    The Southern diet was pork and cornmeal based, unlike the North.

    Deo Vindice

  46. I spent several summers as a teenager, cutting and hanging tobacco and putting hay up in the barn. Never got paid as much as you did, Stonelifter. It was all straight cash, though. No government “take” in there, at all.

    Not to mention picking and shucking corn, hoeing (my back!), picking, and stringing beans, planting and harvesting potatoes, tomatoes, squash, and other good veggies from the family garden. First there was the mule, then somebody invented the roto-tiller.
    That was all for free.

    I miss all those old farmers. I learned a lot from them.

    Deo Vindice

  47. Someone needs to write some Real History on the Civil War similar to what Irving did with WW2.

    Actually, this kinda how I discovered this website: I was was looking for such a book.

  48. Apuleius,

    It’s tragic that White youth are not doing farm labor in the summer nearly as much as they used to. I didn’t have those opportunities as a kid in upstate NY, but my father picked tobacco when he was a kid.

    However, if food prices go up enough, perhaps it will come back. I am sharing a potato patch with a family, and their teenaged son will be digging the potatoes when the time comes. Granted, this kid will only have done 2 half days of work all summer, but we’re already making plans for a garden at this family’s house, and a much bigger potato patch at mine. No money is changing hands — it’s all about providing food.

    Agribusiness gets 20 billion dollars a year in subsidies. I imagine Stonelifter and Mosin get zero dollars a year in subsidies. It’s hard to compete with the corporate welfare taking, Mexican hiring, economies of scale megafarms, isn’t it? But if the US govt goes bankrupt or if the money it prints loses its mojo, then subsidies won’t subsidize, food prices will skyrocket, and farming will be profitable. When that day comes, I’m going to scale up to 1/2 acre of potatoes and 1/2 acre of everything else, and probably get chickens.

    I have seen an expansion in gardens and small farming around here in the past couple of years, and I think it’s because of the bad economy. The farm stores have had a great year, selling out of their seedlings and chicks. I see huge gardens on the side of the road. People lost faith in the housing bubble as a source of wealth and grow gardens so they can still produce tangible things of value.

    It’s very simple. If people produce their own food, they have more leverage and power against the government and corporations, and they know it. Freedom is hard work; people would rather be lazy and sell their freedom to the gov’t and corporations. But gov’t and corporations mismanaged the system and now people are getting cut loose to fend for ourselves again.

    People who fend for themselves, feel less inclined and obligated to follow the governments doctrines of political correctness.

  49. Absolutely fascinating tidbits of history, tied to analysis that shows the proximate causes of our own civil war. Gentlemen, hats off to everyone but ‘Jew-del’ on this thread.

  50. “(G)rowing some cotton isn’t the same as being the leading producer of cotton Mosin. Not even close.” True, but it was successful in the fertile soil and 200 day frost-free season in the southeast corner of the state, scarcity and higher price during those years being an incentive, but I mentioned it here because they did all manually and slave-less, or as is still said of them: “Because they are their own slaves.”

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