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The highlight of the interview was Jim Giles putting Jared Taylor on the spot about the destructive fringe of the White Nationalist movement.
Jared Taylor and Kevin MacDonald very wisely chose not to punch that tar baby and get down in the mud with Alex Linder. The best advice that I ever got when I was involved in the White Nationalist movement was “don’t fight with people.” It is better just to ignore and steer clear of disagreeable people, let them isolate themselves with their own extremism, and focus on your own productive work.
Even if we choose not to engage the fringe, Jared Taylor is right that those people remain a liability to the White Nationalist movement. They are going to be a liability to any small, marginalized movement, especially a movement that advocates something as repressed and explosive as a revival of White racial consciousness in America, but ultimately there is nothing any of us can do about them.
In my view, this is one area where Southern Nationalism has a clear advantage over White Nationalism: Southerners have more in common than racial grievances and racial identity, we generally share a common religion, culture, and ethnicity, and the positive things that we have in common means that there is more homogeneity and less infighting which makes for a more cohesive movement.
White Nationalism casts a much wider net and the effective result of this is that White Nationalists end up coming from all sorts of different religious, ethnic, and cultural backgrounds and have far more difficulty uniting around racial grievances, whiteness, and the abstract concept of a White ethnostate.
Within the White Nationalist movement, I noticed that the Southerners have a much easier time getting along with each other, even when they are divided over questions like religion. Jared Taylor is obviously an atheist, but culturally he identifies as a Christian gentleman from Virginia, and he has no problem getting along with the CofCC.
The White Nationalist movement would be more effective if it abandoned the goal of a single “White ethnostate” in favor of a peaceful dissolution of the Union along the existing ethnocultural fault lines. That’s how it will inevitably shake out anyway given the cultural plate tectonics underneath the facade of the “American” nation.
As Jared Taylor notes in the interview, the European ethnonationalist movements in places like Greece, France, and Catalonia are more dynamic because they can draw upon a common ethnicity to advance their agenda.
Note: Check out my review of Chuck Thompson’s Better Off Without ‘Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession at Confederate Renaissance.
Amazon could use some more reviews of the book, also.
Whoops—- was reacting to the link for Better off Without…
Where will the 40 million Africans find it’s existing fault line, Hunter? Where will New Africa be located? Certainly you don’t think the 30 million or so in the South will just up and leave for the North, do you?
“Jared Taylor is obviously an atheist, but culturally he identifies as a Christian gentleman from Virginia, and he has no problem getting along with the CofCC.”
While nowhere near being an atheist, I’m not a religionist by any means… and yet feel completely at home amongst not only Episcopalians and Baptists, but Catholics and Jews (was raised with them – I know that’s gonna garner me many black marks around here, but oh well… I’m a southerner, I can take it 😉
Religion is as much part of the south as barbeque 🙂
57% of blacks live in the South. 43% of blacks live in the North and West.
If the South seceded from the Union and dismantled the welfare state and slayed “Big Government” in general, I am absolutely certain that millions of blacks would migrate to the North.
I agree that employers who throw their employees under the bus for reasons of having ‘extreme views’ (It doesn’t necessarily have to be racial) are usually white on white. People of other races don’t get nearly as worked up as White Employers do.
The best advice that I ever got when I was involved in the White Nationalist movement was “don’t fight with people.” It is better just to ignore and steer clear of disagreeable people, let them isolate themselves with their own extremism, and focus on your own productive work.
‘No Enemies on the White”. Agreed. This is why I no longer waste time trolling the Vehement Neckbeard Nazis and ZOG-botherers for laffs. We Whites have to join or die. I will work with anyone who supports the interests of White people and opposes BRA and the Global Luciferian Revolution. We can put each other in camps after V-BRA Day.
The White Nationalist movement would be more effective if it abandoned the goal of a single “White ethnostate” in favor of a peaceful dissolution of the Union along the existing ethnocultural fault lines.
This more or less describes my SwitzAmerica concept. I myself support the revival of the Republic of Texas (at least as a transitional goal), but I also favor the revival of the Dixie confederacy in some form, as well as Quebec secession, the establishment of a Negro nation-state, true sovereignty for Indian tribal lands, an independent Acadia, etc.
And why stop there? Let the Juggalos have a homeland, too, if they can swing one. Hell, there can be a sovereign Trekkie Nation for all I care. Self-determination rather than top-down propositional “nation”– that’s the key,
I know many readers of this site hate Jews, Negroes, etc. I do not. I believe that North American people of all races and cultures can coexist in peace so long as each group has its own sovereign state to call home. I therefore support the peaceful devolution of the current social and political order into a continental patchwork of such states.
Here’s a pretty balanced article about the nascent independence movement in the Pacific Northwest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
“…the destructive fringe of the white nationalist movement…”
Those with your view or similar have their place, and likewise those whom you describe as the ‘fringe”.
From your position, you think they are extreme. From theirs, they think you are too “soft”. You are more “compromising”. They are uncompromising.
Jared Taylor is “in your family”. The uncompromising want nothing to do with Taylor or any of his ilk.
You speak of what needs to be done today. They speak of what will ULTIMATELY be done to the enemy when power is wrested from their hands.
They are psychopaths.
The Newtown shooting makes it plainly clear why exterminationists are nothing but a liability to the White Nationalist movement. 99.9% of White America wants nothing to do with sick people who advocate exterminating children.
The exterminationists call themselves “White Nationalists,” but these people do not represent White America, nor will they ever represent White America. They are not a “nation” in any sense of the word.
They are psychotic role playing fantasists like James Holmes who are suffering from a mental illness.
establishment of a Negro nation-state
I beg you to read Rothbard’s thoughts on negro nationalism and stop advocating such silliness. In the eyes of Yankees the concept of a “negro nation state” is morally akin to abandoning kittens.
and Jews (was raised with them – I know that’s gonna garner me many black marks around here, but oh well… I’m a southerner, I can take it
Not from me. Howdy!
Religion is as much part of the south as barbeque
Do you compete? Just curious…
they think you are too “soft”
Nobody cares what they think.
As for wresting power: it didn’t work for Adolf Elizabeth Hitler. It won’t work for Alexandre Neckbeard Superbeing, either.
Jared Tyler and Jim Giles ,Kevin MacDonald also are well spoken fellows, soft tone and reserve given the opportunity to speak on national level, they would attract a wide audience as oppose to the extreme fringe, spook them out.
“Do you compete? Just curious…”
Unofficially, in the eating part 😉
Great interview.
Jared Taylor, Peter Brimelow and I have the problem of being:
A) Pro White American
B) Intelligent – well spoken
Our enemies and sadly our White working class toughs, White folks don’t like the mix.
Sigh, so be it.
We do what we can.
14 Words
Relating to violence, do you think those that wish to eradicate whites will be so caring as not to use violence. As they already have are you going to say don’t bring a gun to a gunfight? Regarding who to be violent towards I would say unequivocally tyrants, thieves, rapists, invaders and murderers.
Oculus, no Catholic nation?
What about a nation for mixed-race people and people who don’t believe in your racialist concepts? That one will definitely become the most powerful country though because the majority of people still believe and know that diversity does work, so it could be a problem for the ethnostates.
It is time for Jared Taylor and Brad Griffin to put a stake through Alex Linder’s last functioning colostomy bag and give Lender’s meercats a good swift kick for the good of the bowel Movement.
I’m listening to Roid-Rage-ReTard now trying to get Jared Taylor to “rip . . . Rabbi Lender/Linder’s . . . throat out and put a stake through his heart. ”
Jared Taylor was dumbfounded at the suggestion. Why pay any attention to the gut-sick guido kiken-weasel with Crohns/jew ass-GAIDS? Paying attention to this yapping kike is like taking a Ma Deuce to a mangy chihuahua yapping in the corner. Taylor has no intention of even pretending that Alex Linder exists. Why should he? In fact, Taylor probably thought Giles was ill bred to even mention that particular stench and that Giles was about to go over the bend. Hell, all them puny edjewmacated pointy-headed intellectual types get all scared when some over-six-foot tall goobers with a reputation for insanity starts talking about whupping someone’s ass. Happens to me all the time. I remember the time when I just touched a set of salt-shakers and they flew off the table and hit the wall when I was talking about whupping some whigger ass the night before OKC at a LibberToon meeting and all them lil’ whigger pussies run for the hills.
Jimbo scared the shit outta Jared.
Now Jim Giles is now all mad at Rabbi Lender and the Duck of Deaf. He wants to ‘rip theyz’ throats out’ — which is good. At least Giles has forgotten about trying to break the neck of a sick lawyer set up by ZOG.
I suggest that Giles do something worthwhile, like rip Alex Lender’s colostomy bag out. The lying little self-loathing kike’s yap is itz strongest feature. Stay away from the kike teeth and snout and yap, unless you just gots to get rat-bit. Go for itz weak point — wherein itz own jew ass-hole is already in immunological revolt against being stuck to a kike ass-hole.
I’d probably pay a pretty shek-el (Canaanite word for “little god) to see Roid-Rage tear out Rabbi Linder’s last colostomy bag and then to kick a meercat or two for shits and giggles like a magnificent raging brute animal then wanting nothing more than to to get home in order to milk three cows and 13 goats and drink theyz raw milk down whole. Go git ’em, Nature-Boy Jimbo Giles.
By the way, Linder understands DSCI lingo, and wants to make sure that everyone knows that itz not Edomite/Sephardic, which stands to reason because the Sephardics seldom get what theyz Ashkenazic cousins like Lender get, like Crohns.
Everyone benefits when bottom-feeding colostomy-bag likkin’ meercats are spayed or neutered.
Hail Victory!!!
Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
“If the South seceded from the Union and dismantled the welfare state and slayed “Big Government” in general, I am absolutely certain that millions of blacks would migrate to the North.”
And even if they didn’t (at first) a self-defined White Ethnostate could ‘help them along’ – via the Overground Railroad- Amtrak- to get, while the gettin’s good.
“I know many readers of this site hate Jews, Negroes, etc. I do not. I believe that North American people of all races and cultures can coexist in peace so long as each group has its own sovereign state to call home.”- Bob needs new glasses.
Robert- perhaps you know this. (But I doubt it.)
After reading that comment of yours above, and for the readers of this blog, I can say no more than to read Arthur Topham’s article, “Two Gulags: A Second Warning to the West” found at:
http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=1623,
and over at John de Nugent’s blog for 12/12/12
http://www.johndenugent.com.
Once you know that Communism is JEWISH, nothing else can justify that god-damned race’s continued existence. NOTHING.
Most of the vitriol here seems to come from yankees.
Where will the 40 million Africans find it’s existing fault line, Hunter? Where will New Africa be located? Certainly you don’t think the 30 million or so in the South will just up and leave for the North, do you?
Eventually, yes, they’d be persuaded to go elsewhere (Inshallah). It wouldn’t be difficult. Just make the grass browner on our side. This topic has been done to death, but it doesn’t take much common sense or imagination to understand that a determined gov’t could easily achieve a white territory without violence (except the sort non-whites might invite via their own violence).
If the South seceded from the Union and dismantled the welfare state and slayed “Big Government” in general, I am absolutely certain that millions of blacks would migrate to the North.
Precisely. The vast majority of them would rapidly chase AA and handouts north and west. The minority that remained could be relocated (eminent domain) to bantustans, or just segregated out of white life, while the more stringent measures (more slowly) worked to remove them to parts north and west as well.
The Newtown shooting makes it plainly clear why exterminationists are nothing but a liability to the White Nationalist movement.
How does the Newtown shooting make that clear? Did I miss something? Last I heard the Newtown shooting had nothing whatsoever to do with “exterminationists,” whoever they are.
There’s always a use for people more extreme than yourself, but along your chosen axis. They give you cover – you can always point further along the axis to someone who’s the real ogre. The moment they go away, you become the extremist.
What about a nation for mixed-race people and people who don’t believe in your racialist concepts? That one will definitely become the most powerful country though because the majority of people still believe and know that diversity does work, so it could be a problem for the ethnostates.
God willing, we’ll be in a position to bring that about, lol.
Svigor,
There are people who believe that Jewish extermination and the destruction of Christianity should be a litmus test of White Nationalism. Judging from the public reaction to Newtown, it is an understatement to say that being associated with such people is a serious liability to any “pro-White” movement.
We have a mixed race state California. It’s essentially bankrupted.
Chimpcago is so large it counts as a nation. It’s got a Jewish mayor 1/3 white 1/3 black and 1/3 Hispanic. It is the melting pot. It’s going to go bankrupt too.
Diversity is crippling.
That one will definitely become the most powerful country though because the majority of people still believe and know that diversity does work, so it could be a problem for the ethnostates.
It’s possible that you’re not a troll and that you really are stupid enough to believe the above.
Very few people think diversity “works” in the sense that they if they were in charge they would impose it on their people. Only some white liberals actually believe it is actually beneficial. Everyone else just mouths what they feel they have to to keep the system running because there isn’t any obvious alternative to doing that. If a serious alternative did emerge you can bet your bottom dollar your diversity-lovin’ pals would ditch retards like you in droves. Lol, if it actually worked people would talk it up and embrace on their own. They wouldn’t need to be cajoled or coerced. They wouldn’t need the endless assurances that, despite all the evidence of their senses, it really, really is a valuable thing, trust us.
But imagine I’m wrong. Imagine people really do thrive on it as much as you say and that some ‘diversity-based super-state’ emerges as most powerful. Why would that be such a problem for ethnostates? Because you people are totally incapable of practicing ‘live and let live’? It seems so, doesn’t it.
Fr John @12:41 pm…..what you said.
“There are people who believe that Jewish extermination and the destruction of Christianity should be a litmus test of White Nationalism”
There has never been a government in history that preached such action including 1933 Germany.
You can probably count them in the low hundreds if that.
On a lighter note.
They fling poo. No not the monkeys in the zoo. The nogs on The choo choo.
http://m.nbcchicago.com/nbcchicago/pm_107759/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=9v1QSieM
Jared Taylor believes Jews are white.
White California in 1947. No unhappiness to be seen.
Jack Ryan,
If the jury doesn’t like you, that’s not the jury’s problem.
TabuLa Raza says:
“White California in 1947. No unhappiness to be seen.”
Looks good doesn’t it?
No Anti-Whites or Cultural Marxists in sight, with their mind pollution. Just happy, well adjusted White people, everywhere you look.
I know many readers of this site hate Jews, Negroes, etc. I do not. I believe that North American people of all races and cultures can coexist in peace so long as each group has its own sovereign state to call home. I therefore support the peaceful devolution of the current social and political order into a continental patchwork of such states.
So long as the fences are there… As a practical matter, at least for a while, there will be “interzones” around many of the separate States-States in the true sense, sovereign-that are formed out of what it is now the CONUS and contiguous areas. We are not going, as a practical matter, to eliminate the mutts and the mutt lovers: they have to go somewhere, and even though some of those states will not be “strictly seg”, there will be practical considerations to keep all them from going to a central Muttstan.
The Jews, incorrigible fools, militant feminists, queers, and such will congregate even more than now: they will go to places where the can be the way they are. We will leave such places where we can isolate them from us. Dixie will doubtlessly retain a black population, segregated but not separated. The NARedoubt will at least in its core areas be pure White, officially and in practice: nonwhites will leave mostly of their own accord once a few are suitably afflicted, then the vast remainder will vamoose, and the remnants mopped up. But then again, it’s almost all White now.
Very few people will simply be killed in “General Order Four” actions: more will die fighting. It probably will be even in total a death toll less than are killed in a year or two in the barrios, ghettoes and so forth of our major cities today. Those wanting a real bloodbath will be disappointed. I think even Pierce included the bloody scenes in his novels more as a cathartic release for himself than anything else.
Trevelyan if it’s to be believed that it was policy, probably did it the right way.
Blacks are no better than subsistence moochers. Give em, what, erm two weeks without supplies and they will fuggoff.
“The White Nationalist movement would be more effective if it abandoned the goal of a single “White ethnostate” in favor of a peaceful dissolution of the Union along the existing ethnocultural fault lines.”
1. The Northwest Front couldn’t even scrounge up 25,000 signatures for Idaho, Washington, or Oregon in November even when it was FREE PUBLICITY and an ORGANIZATION BUILDING exercise!
Image the main stream reaction: “Oh I see those rednecks in the south are at it again with that secession talk. Wait. What the!? Why does Oregon want to secede?” Then the Northwest Front could at least gain credibility with a few thousand more people in the Northwest.
Along with VNN, they have been Left Behind by the speed of events.
2. Hunter, why not call the Don and Derek Black show and engage in a little tet-a-tet. A “debate” with Truck Roy might actually lead to marshaling some of their footsoldiers for secession. They are overly focused on the Mantra and fail to connect it with what would happen if whites gradually became awake. Their has to be a post-Mantra, and secession is it.
Engage them to bring white nationalists off of the reservation and on to the front lines.
Jared Taylor is a grat asset. Jim is merely an ass. He is emotionaly unstable, bound to go on a tirade at any moment. Taylor certainly must have felt unconfortable with his some of his questions.
And what the hell is with his rants on ripping throats out of people? Okay, he has squabbled with Linder and feels as though Duke didn’t support him at one time for whatever reasons.
So what! Who the hell is Jim Giles anyway?
David Duke has produced the best and most informative articles and videos documenting our plight and exposing the role of jews.
No one even comes close!
Talk about destructive weirdos in the movement-Giles should look in the mirror.
@Vendikar
If borders don’t work, what makes you think fences will?
@Afterthought :
We are way ahead of you. When we convince White people to start talking about White Genocide, the next logical thing they will ask for is White Survival. And you can’t have White Survival, without the end of forced racial integration and that means they will demand permanent racial separation of some kind.
Everything must proceed in logical steps.
And yes, it would be great to hear Hunter Wallace on the Don and Derek Black show. Don and Roy are doing some great work on it. I never bothered listening to it, before this year and I’ve found it to be a pretty good show, considering the resources they have.
RFM is dedicated to and recruit the high brass echelon and achieve its objective by delegitimize the Pierce toon.
Sam says:
“Jared Taylor is a grat asset. Jim is merely an ass. He is emotionaly unstable, bound to go on a tirade at any moment. Taylor certainly must have felt unconfortable with his some of his questions.”
Jack Ryan responds:
I disagree. I think Jim Giles is a great radio interviewer. He has a great Southern voice and he lets his guests present their opinions in a fair way. Jim Giles does occasionally go off on a rant, but that’s not very often. Jim Giles is the best interviewer even remotely supportive of our movement. check out Jim Giles interview of the head of the SPLC, very fair and balanced and even the SPLC guy admitted it was a very fair interview.
Sam says:
“David Duke has produced the best and most informative articles and videos documenting our plight and exposing the role of jews.
No one even comes close!”
I agree. Duke has been our best individual spokesman. But he is a one man show, not a team player and hasn’t built any organizations. Duke was also much more effective in the early 90s when he focused on mainstream, every day issues and wasn’t obsessed with THE JEWS. Day in day out obsession with THE JEWS is a huge turn off with the White American public. Even Hitler didn’t fall down in to obsessing with the Jews.
He didn’t did he? Which was David Irving’s point. Outside Zmein Kampf
There’s not much.
Anyway. The best one we might have is Hunter here, but he refuses to go public in a sense. Now that he’s gone through some of the more radical ideas and filtered them out, there’s a good chance he could do BRA fatal damage. All the things he talks about should resonate.
You dont know who the Government Agents are. Thats why Tom Metzger preaches to be aware of this and tactics to confront this problem. Loius Beam and Alex Curtis had it down pat. The Government will not let a true leader arise. If they do, they end up like Huey Long. Martin Lindstedt is wild, but what he says is true, like it or not. The Khazars are world wide and control. They have the Kahilla……Marty is right about Tribulation, Whiggers, Mamzers. and what is happeniing and it will get worse. Christmarkview says get out of Babylon and follow GODS LAW. The hammer will fall—so be ready. The Culling will happen….
White Diamond says:
“If borders don’t work, what makes you think fences will?”
There is no point defending the borders or building fences, in a country that is multiracial like America is now.
If you have a country that is for White people only, have severe punishments for people that employ and harbor non-Whites, as well as offer big rewards to informants that expose them, then you won’t need fences to keep non-Whites out.
“Relating to violence, do you think those that wish to eradicate whites will be so caring as not to use violence.”
They already are e.g. they know the black violent crime rate is much higher than any other group and yet ban mention of this from mainstream discourse while using section 8 to push that violence towards white families. However if most of the potential white audience hasn’t registered they’re under stealth violent attack they won’t support violence because it wouldn’t be *fair*. If they come to realize that it’s self-defence then that would change.
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“They are overly focused on the Mantra and fail to connect it with what would happen if whites gradually became awake. Their has to be a post-Mantra, and secession is it.”
The value of things like the Mantra is if it works and the tide turns under the surface then other people will start popping up doing overt politics above the surface. People who have a talent for tide turning should stick to it imo.
Tom Metzger occupation? Used to be a TV repairman?!lol
Does Giles/RFM have an active website these days? My search turned up a supposed RFM site that only had 3 links to past interviews.
Ya’ll a Southerner or skinheads lonewolf –
White Diamond says:
“If borders don’t work, what makes you think fences will?”
There is no point defending the borders or building fences, in a country that is multiracial like America is now.
If you have a country that is for White people only, have severe punishments for people that employ and harbor non-Whites, as well as offer big rewards to informants that expose them, then you won’t need fences to keep non-Whites out.
Pierce addressed that:
If we had our act together we’d stop that mestizo invasion in its tracks, and then we’d clean out every one of them who has managed to sneak across in the last 50 years, along with all the descendants of those who sneaked across, regardless of whether they were born south of the border or north of the border. We’d herd them back across the border the same way we herded the Plains Indians onto reservations. And the mestizos would stay south of the border, because we would stop playing the silly games the U.S. Border Patrol plays with them today. Even if one did manage to get across without being shot, what could he do? He would be recognized immediately, just because he wouldn’t be White, and then he’d be shot.
http://www.natvan.com/free-speech/fs0106c.html