We don’t have a lot of inspiring great leaders in these corrupt, depressing BRA latter days. Hideous, Lesbo Jewess Rachel Maddow is hissing “R-A-C-I-S-T”, looking to destroy the careers of any straight White American North or South who dares write, say or even THINK anything politically incorrect. Vile, straight from central casting New Yawk shysters like Charles Schumer push a race replacement amnesty bill, with massive 3rd world immigration designed to turn our country in to Brazil, Mexifornia or a bad version of the worst ghettos/barrios of Chicago. I should know, I’ve spent half my life in Chicago. Most of the White US Senators seem to be either outright traitors, or worse, clueless dottering old fools like Orin Hatch.
Thus, we should take great joy and pride over the leadership of Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions. Sen Sessions has led the fight to secure our borders, implement common sense immigration laws and policies that promote the legitimate rights of our people in our country and this is:
Our country.
Sen. Sessions also led the fight to defeat the horrible Federal Hate Crimes/thought crimes bill, pushed through under an obscure attachment to the Defense authorization bill. Sen. Sessions always conducts himself in an intelligent, dignified way – always an honorable Southern gentlemen. I consider Sen. Jeff Sessions to be the finest gentleman currently drawing breath.
Speaking of honorable Southern gentlemen – let us honor the finest gentleman who ever drew breath.
General Robert E Lee
“There has never been – nor will there ever be – a mortal man more admired, more esteemed, or more revered than Robert E Lee. His enemies were few, his friends legion. By war’s end, he was already a legend. He had become the embodiment of the South, and his name synonymous with it. He was the soldier-statesman, and the ultimate hero of th Lost Cause. Today, he is, without a doubt, the fundamental southern hero.” (Southern by the Grace of God, Michael Andrew Grissom)
My problem with Robert E. Lee is that his basic strategy for fighting the Union was fatally flawed. He assumed he could win fixed battles with large armies using Napoleonic tactics despite being outmanned and seriously out gunned as the war drew on. The final proof of this was his untenable position in the Petersburg trenches at the bitter end. He should have fought a more irregular war using guerrilla tactics at times.
And what innate insanity led him to believe that there was any strategic reason for invading Pennsylvania and then fighting on inferior ground far away from any meaningful prizes like Philadelphia, Baltimore, or Washington D.C?
Rudel,
RE Lee was, like everyone, a product of his times. He fought the war in the way that he was trained to fight it, in the finest traditions of Western combat. It is a fact beyond argument that he and his grand Army of Northern Virginia fought that way better than any army ever to walk the fields of honor. He continued to fight that way until he could not personally justify the deaths of his soldiers in relation to what might be gained. He made this decision on what he knew at the time. For you to criticize the greatest military mind in American history, with information gathered over the past century and a half, long out of reach of the immediate danger of battle, rings hollow and disingenuous. We can always what if….but we can never criticize as if we would have been the better man. Never.
I have read that RE Lee in private conversation, made the statement long after the end of the war, that if he had known how the government of the North would have behaved towards the defeated after the peace was signed, that he would have taken his army to the mountains and fought to the last man. We can always wonder.
As far a Gettysburg is concerned, RE Lee did not choose that ground. On the contrary, he stated such. He was on the march north and was forced to fight there……because his plans were discovered by accident and the enemy forced his hand in route. If you were such a military scholar, you would know that.
A problem with Robert E. Lee? NO…..NO…..NO. There has probably been more written about this man over the past 150 years than anyone in history and he is still regarded as the finest soldier, the finest leader, the finest gentleman ever to walk this continent. Lets leave it at that and leave the guerrilla fighting to our times. He should rest in the honor, esteem and peace that he so justly deserves.
“As far a Gettysburg is concerned, RE Lee did not choose that ground.”
Utter nonsense. There was absolutely no reason to stake out Seminary Ridge or even the Gettysburg vicinity in which to fight. Anyone who knows the first thing about the campaign knows this. He could even have retreated back into Virginia before the battle if he had deemed it. Instead against the strong advice of Longstreet he chose to attack the Union heights across open terrain not once but TWICE! Sheer incompetence.
“It is a fact beyond argument that he and his grand Army of Northern Virginia fought that way better than any army ever to walk the fields of honor.”
They were outflanked and virtually destroyed in the futile attempt to defend Richmond. At any rate the war was lost at Vicksburg and in Tennessee by keeping criminally negligent political appointees like Bragg in charge despite their losing ways instead of promoting a true military genius like Nathan Bedford Forrest to higher command. With people like Forrest in command, Sherman would not have been able to invade Georgia and take Atlanta in the fall of 1864. McClellan would have won the election and the South would have gained its independence.
So now you presume to tell us how the South could have won the war? Now who’s talking nonsense? I’m not going to spend more than a second or two arguing such an idiotic point as why Lee did or didn’t choose to fight at Gettysburg. It’s spelled out in 1,001 history books, just as I have stated. Perhaps you read some revisionists version but my version was written by men who were there with him and men who spoke with Lee about it. He invaded because the South needed the victory to win European recognition. After Chancellorsville, he and Davis had every reason to believe in victory. I would have as well. Losing Jackson screwed that plan to failure. In point of fact the battle was heavily engaged before he even heard that it had started. The Confederates bumbled into the Federals while looking for shoes……because Lee’s Calvary was not doing it’s job of screening the Army at that time. Once engaged, it wasn’t so easy to disengage with the whole Army of the Potomac within ear shot. Lee chose to fight. Who are you or I to second guess his decision? I mean really…….WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? Let’s not forget, the last year of the war, Lee was almost always at a 2-1 disadvantage and still managed to score tactical victories over Grant at almost every battle. Grant was just able to lose 30,000 men and keep coming. Lee could not. He had to keep back peddling…..and he did that superbly as well.
NB Forrest was a genius. He could have done greater things had he the resources….but……he……nor anyone else…. ever had the resources to win that war for the South. Not in a clear victory. Any scholar who has spent their life studying that war will tell you the same thing. The resources of the North were far and away to strong to prevail against. I might remind you that the Federal military was the strongest in the world at the end of the War and it had just scratched it’s potential.
The true wonder and praise is that the South lasted as long as it did. It did so because of the leadership of men like Lee and yes, Forrest……and the finer qualities of the Southern fighting men.
You don’t like Lee. Fine……but look here…….this is a thread glorifying……justly…. Robert E Lee. Why don’t you take your Lee bashing and go play in someone else’s sand box.
However, I would like the name of the video game that you get your history ideas from. I imaging that it would be a lot of fun passing the time playing General.
Lee blew it at Gettysburg, no one can argue otherwise. Longstreet proposed to maneuver around Meade, placing his army between Meade and Washington to force Meade to attack Lee . A damn sight better plan than Fredricksburg I & II in reverse. Even the best can drop the ball, and they do.
As to Sen Sessions, are we all ‘Mericans again ? “our country” ? Really ?
Who the hell do I think I am? Someone who has been studying the Civil War since the Centennial, that’s who. Lee had ample opportunity to disengage. Quit trying to lay the blame on Jeb Stuart. Lee gave him orders to range widely to the north and east with no co-ordinated plan for him to attack the Union Army from the rear therefore taking him out of the battle.
In addition Lee failed to occupy Cemetery Hill early on before the battle while Jubal Early had the chance to do so (belying your statement that Lee wisely picked his ground) and made two futile and bloody frontal attacks over open ground against entrenched Union artillery on both the second and third days of the battle and against the strong advice of his corps commanders. He failed as a commanding general in the most ignominious fashion.
Grant was the superior general as he showed repeatedly in Missouri, at Vicksburg, in Tennessee, and ultimately in his brutal war of attrition in Virginia where he relentlessly outflanked Lee for an entire year. That is strategic success much like Sherman taking Atlanta and that is what counts in the end.
Jefferson Davis and the Southern leadership were pig headed in their insistence that not one square inch of Southern territory be given up without a direct fight and it cost them the war.
Jeff Sessions is an American imperialist. Comparing him to Robert E. Lee is idiotic.
Longstreet blew it at Gettysburg with his foot dragging and torturous countermarch on the second day that wasted the better part of the morning, ensuring that the critical fight for the round tops would be conducted by tired troops in the heat of day.
Yankees do love to attack General Lee as he is the most conspicuous example of the finest qualities of our people. Craven subversion of the reputations of great men is entirely necessary for yankeedom and BRA, which would rather elevate the murderous and perfidious “Honest Abe” over a man of true integrity whose example gives the lie their delusions of righteousness.
Lee never fought a battle where he was not outnumbered. If the Union army of mercenary hirelings were not so feckless, he would never have won a single battle. Of course, the yankee reliance on foreign immigrants to fight their wars for them led to the “melting pot” “nation of immigrants” conception of the proposition nation which has reached its apotheosis as the multicultural “diversity is our strength” BRA of our own times.
Lord Acton saw the nature of the struggle clearly at the time and expressed as much in a letter to General Lee in 1866:
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Without presuming to decide the purely legal question, on which it seems evident to me from Madison’s and Hamilton’s papers that the Fathers of the Constitution were not agreed, I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy. The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy. I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo.”
For a more comprehensive exposition of Lord Acton’s insights into the nature of the conflict, see here:
http://mises.org/daily/4188
God bless Robert E. Lee and God save the South.
Deo Vindice
Jeff Sessions is an American imperialist. Comparing him to Robert E. Lee is idiotic.
Did Lee not distinguish himself in Mexico? This whole “anti-imperialist” schtick on the supposed “far right” is a mouthful of sawdust. You may not notice since you’re immersed in the South, but the men willing to kill and be killed far from home for abstract ideals will be the first to fight for their homeland if need be. The martial tradition found in the South is a healthy thing.
Robert E. Lee was perhaps one of the most despicable human beings and war criminals in American history. Even…
(Editor’s note: this comment has been deleted. I take a lot of criticism for over deleting conspiracy theory, kook, nut case or just dumb a**, trolling comments. But this one really needs to be deleted. General Robert E Lee along with George Washington – another great Virginian, are America’s greatest leaders. Also, great gentlemen. I would love to send my daughter to the idealized Washington and Lee University.
God bless Robert E Lee and modern Southern men like Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions.
JR )
“For a more comprehensive exposition of Lord Acton’s insights into the nature of the conflict, see here:”
I agree 100% with John C. Calhoun and Lord Acton. Nevertheless, the South did not win the war nor did God subsequently bless the South. That therefore begs the question: what better strategy should the South have pursued? This is a legitimate line of questioning.
Sessions and Brooks are putting up a valiant fight, but the existence of the Union pretty much guarantees that we will get the amnesty at some point.
“If I ever decide to make this trip, I will post the time and date here so you can come watch in person.”
Sure you will… five minutes ahead of time I’ll bet, and even then you will probably be arrested if you aren’t beat up first. He’s in a crypt in the chapel at the college.
“…nor did God subsequently bless the South.” God has blessed the South in many ways you will never be able to fathom. The first and foremost blessing is that Southerners are not yankees.
Of course, remarks on God’s blessings from an atheist Jacobin are ridiculously ironic.
Deo Vindice
“Robert E. Lee was perhaps one of the most despicable human beings and war criminals in American history. Even…”
Par for the course. PGRT has turned into a parody of himself. Willful perversion of the truth can only carry you so far…
Deo Vindice
“Of course, remarks on God’s blessings from an atheist Jacobin are ridiculously ironic.”
Truth be known Jacobite is more like it.
In our terms, most of the people in the U.S.A. of the 1860s would seem like religious fanatics.
We must forgive our enemies. I can truly say that not a day has passed since the war began that I have not prayed for them. – Robert E. Lee
Yesterday we fought a great battle and gained a great victory, for which all the glory is due to God alone. Although under a heavy fire for several continuous hours I received only one wound, the breaking of the longest finger of my left hand; but the doctor says the finger may be saved. It was broken about midway between the hand and knuckle, the ball passing on the side next to the forefinger. Had it struck the centre, I should have lost the finger. My horse was wounded, but not killed. Your coat got an ugly wound near the hip, but my servant, who is very handy, has so far repaired it that it doesn’t show very much. My preservation was entirely due, as was the glorious victory, to our God, to whom be all the honor, praise, and glory.
– Stonewall Jackson, Letter to his wife after the First Battle of Bull Run (22 July 1861)
Do they find in the history of St. Domingo, and in the present condition of Jamaica, under the recent experiments which have been made upon the institution of slavery in the liberation of the blacks, before God, in his wisdom, designed it should be done — do they there find anything to stimulate them to future exertion in the cause of abolition ? Or should they not find there satisfactory evidence that their past course was founded in error? – Jefferson Davis
To most of the people of the 1860s, everything that occurs, or had ever occurred, was either the will of God or something that God allowed to happened as a consequence of granting a limited measure of free will to His human creations.
“or something that God allowed to happened as a consequence of granting a limited measure of free will to His human creations.”
If God is both omnipotent and omniscient then how can man possibly have any measure of free will? If He created everything and also knows all that will happen where is there room for any human decision?
Grant superior to Lee – Rudel you are an idiot. Grant got lucky out west when the incompetent combination of Confederate Generals : Buckner, Floyd and Pillow surrendered Donelson through sheer cowardice. Grant was on the block to be sent back to his general store because the drunk was losing the battle.
Grant’s lucky stars continued when he confronted Lee’s greatly weakened army in the east – even at that Lee blocked and anticipated every sophomoric maneuver of Grant, inflicting horrendous casualties on the US scum – Cold Harbor is one of my favorites – Grant kept trying to get Lee to ask for a truce, which Lee would not do – so the alcoholic Grant let his own men die in the field.
Lee was the noble Hector to the unscrupulous Agamemnon. of Lincoln. Anyone who has studied the WBTS knows that through inferior political leadership the South lost the war – hell – it would have been over after First Bull Run if the incompetent Jeff Davis had ordered the army to advance on Washington and burned it down, as they could have. But Davis just wanted the world to know that the South “…just wanted to be left alone …:
@Rudel: “If God is both omnipotent and omniscient …” Most Nobel prize winners in science think that the existence of God is a wrong hypothesis. However, WNs must have demographic sustainability.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare
Without religion, in some form, how can WNs win demographic battles?
Grant-won
Lee-lost
Case closed.
“…just wanted to be left alone…”
– Then you inbred cretins shouldn’t have started the fucking war in the first place, when you attacked Ft. Sumter without provocation.
Lee lost a greater percentage of his men during the 9 month long siege oat Petersburg than Grant did (despite the frontal attacks at Cold Harbor which Grant regretted as much as Lee regretted Gettysburg.) As for Grant getting lucky out West at Fort Donelson, it was quite the contrary as it was Grant’s relentless aggression that led to the Confederate defeat and losses that were ten times those of the Union’s.
Grant’s brilliant crossing of the Mississippi River, drive north and east, and subsequent encirclement of Vicksburg sealed the Confederate garrisons fate.
On the History channel, the Union had far more rail ways transportation and communication wire gave them the upper hand.
“Without religion, in some form, how can WNs win demographic battles?”
Indeed. That’s why I try to keep my anti-clericism to a bare minimum. I was just trying to see if you were a Calvinist or not.
“On the History channel, the Union had far more rail ways transportation and communication wire gave them the upper hand.”
The Union forces were laying up to a mile of track per day as the extended their trenches and earthworks.
“Grant-won
Lee-lost
Case closed.”
How’s that negro freedom and equality working for you now?
Sean and Chris are biggest BRA apologists on this site. Even worse than the human joke that is PGRT.
Deo Vindice
The Confederates were doomed from the start as were the Nazis-Underestimation of the enemy forces.
“Underestimation of the enemy forces.”
And industrial capabilities.
The end of the film clip says the re-enactors broke into spontaneous cheers.
So I guess they weren’t paid extras. Re-enactments is their hobby and devotion?
It wouldn’t make sense for paid extras to indulge that kind of emotion.
Also it is note worthy that a liberal like Sheen would want to play the role of a “war criminal” in the words of “Proud race traitor”.
Some liberals like Sheen I think we can come to terms with.
Also there is Joan Baez. I am grateful that Joan came out with “The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down” at the end of a decade of demonization of the South.
Senator Sessions is a decent man I am sure, but politically he is really just a moderate, far to accommodating to the left-wing, and not at all what Southern Nationals need in office. As far as the Lee/Grant “debate”, that is a farce. Lee was the embodiment of grace, courage, dignity, and valor, while Grant was an artless plundering drunken butcher. To “compare” them is absurd.
Wait a minute………..How did a simple veneration of RE Lee as a consummate Southern general and gentleman…….just a mark of honor for a man that millions in this country still hold dear….turn into this disrespectful thread where we are re-fighting the War between the States(like anyone here really knows shit anyway)? I think he was a hell of guy and in my eyes, he ranks up there with the best the world has ever seen, as a good human being. Why do you detractors have to tear him down just for the pure Yankee meanness of it? If you don’t like Lee, move on and leave it be. My momma always told me if you ain’t got something nice to say, don’t say anything. Go find some Yankee, Jew place to air your bullshit.
@ Rudel:
My brother in-law’s great grandfather was captured at Vicksburg. He was imprisoned on an Island (I believe Johnson Island?) in the Great Lakes. The war turned him into a more devout Christian.
Although the North was doing much better in terms of food and general welfare 25 % of the Confederate prisoners on the Island died in captivity.
That makes the Federal prisoner death rate of 33% at Andersonville look a lot less horrific when you make the comparison and consider the worse general circumstances facing the South at the time.
“To “compare” them is absurd.”
They were both ignominious butchers. The War was a genocidal, dysgenic bloodbath. Modern industrial warfare is a bitch.
@ 313 Chris;
My information is that Ft. Sumter was firing on ships entering Charleston harbor.
So who fired the first shot?
Also why do you libs always refer to Southerners as ”inbreds”?
My guess is that to libs anyone who doesn’t marry outside their race is “inbred”.
If God is both omnipotent and omniscient then how can man possibly have any measure of free will?
If God is all powerful how can He give man whatever He chooses? If God knows what I’ll choose, then how is my choice a choice?
These are word games. Can God make a rectangular circle? If not, why worship Him? Can Jesus create so much weight he can’t military press it? If He can’t create it, He’s not all-powerful, if He can’t press it He’s not all-powerful! If He can’t temporarily make Himself too weak to press it then again He isn’t all powerful!
These paradoxes arise when we assume our brains and silly languages are able to fully comprehend divinity. “Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?”
@”… a genocidal, dysgenic bloodbath.” It seems to me that the liberals of European descent are foolish and insane. To replace the Whites in N. America by mestizos and mulattos and to replace the Whites in Europe by non-white Muslims would not appeal to sane Whites. However, the technological optimists seem to me the most insane of all. To replace people by robots and androids is not a goal for sane people. The idea of RaHoWa d0es not seem promising but what is the alternative? How can technological pessimists control technological optimists?
313Chris – what a douche – Wes – your blue collar summary shows who knows “shit” about the subject WBTS – wrong side won – but not the end of the story.
“How can technological pessimists control technological optimists?”
Kill them all. God will know his own.
Ah. I send Sessions attaboy and thank-you emails frequently.
He prolly thinks I’m some creepy stalker.
<__>
The most recent comments by Rudel on industrial war and No Man on Religion are great.
If only most commenters here could quit racialism, they could become among the multicult elite like me.
@Phil White
Then your information is either vague or just incorrect. The only ship that was fired on, was The Star of the West — an unarmed supply ship sent to deliver provisions to a garrison of soldiers stationed on federal property. And it was fired on, unprovoked, by Southern military cadets from the Citadel, who continued to fire on it even after it turned around and disengaged from it’s course.
The Star Of The West carried a contingent of armed, hostile soldiers lawlessly attempting to invade a foreign nation. She was properly warned, and lawfully fired upon.
“If only most commenters here could quit racialism, they could become among the multicult elite like me.”
I have no problems being elite and racist at the same time. Most Whites are in fact de facto racists.
@ 313Chris;
“The most-likely hot-spot in which Lincoln could start his war was Charleston Harbor, where shots had already been fired in anger under the Buchanan administration. But the newly-elected governor of South Carolina, Francis Pickens, saw the danger–that Lincoln might, as an excuse, send a force of U.S. Navy warships to Charleston Harbor supposedly to bring food to Maj Anderson’s Union force holed up in Fort Sumter. So Gov Pickens opened negotiations with Maj Anderson, and concluded a deal permitting Anderson to send boats safely to the market in Charleston once a week, where Anderson’s men would be allowed to buy whatever victuals they wished.
(This arrangement remained in effect until a day or so before the U.S. Navy warships arrived at Charleston). Maj Anderson wrote privately to friends, saying that he hoped Lincoln would not use Fort Sumter as the excuse to start a war, by sending the U.S. Navy to resupply it.”
http://www.iahushua.com/hist/lincoln.html
@ Proud GRT
“If only most commenters here could quit racialism, they could become among the multicult elite like me.”
Are you saying if Rudel and No Man were willing to sell out their convictions they could make more money? That seems to be a typical Yankee way of thinking.
Perhaps they could make more money, but I’m thinking more of a spiritual/intellectual/political/social elite.
Did Lee not distinguish himself in Mexico? This whole “anti-imperialist” schtick on the supposed “far right” is a mouthful of sawdust. You may not notice since you’re immersed in the South, but the men willing to kill and be killed far from home for abstract ideals will be the first to fight for their homeland if need be. The martial tradition found in the South is a healthy thing.
I am not anti-imperialism. I am anti-American imperialism. And I don’t expect people who support the USA’s conquest of the Middle East, or who support Americanism in general, to be defenders of Southron freedom.
I am not anti-imperialism. I am anti-American imperialism. And I don’t expect people who support the USA’s conquest of the Middle East, or who support Americanism in general, to be defenders of Southron freedom.
You’re expecting too little. We’re still in the early 1850’s. You’re asking everyone to be a fire eater. For God’s sake, some of the fire eaters even were vets, like Quitman.
Considering Lee had an army composed of characters like my ancestors, it’s amazing he got as far as he did.