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Gregory Hood has written a new article at Amren on the evolution of the League of the South and Southern Nationalism:
“Two years ago, I concluded that Southern nationalists were still trapped in the rhetoric and mindset of Beltway conservatism. However, Southern nationalism must not be ignored by any serious white advocate. The South is the one region of the country where there is a real cultural identity and a self-conscious white constituency motivated to fight in defense of white interests and eventual political independence.
The challenge is making the transition from an implicitly white movement based around abstract ideas to explicit white advocacy grounded in defending the interests of a specific people. This transition is usually where American movements fall short. …”
Note: It is worth noting that some of the groundbreaking articles about this new direction were published here at OD in 2010 and 2011 in debates about cultural geography, the strengths and weaknesses of White Nationalism, and specifically in response to Harold Covington’s Northwest Front.
“What the heck does working for an employer have to do with the subject at hand?”
It’s an example of what it takes to gain traction in the world. Any organization, from an army to a nonprofit, agrees on a goal, sets out a goal, creates a structure, and seeks to imbue in its associates a commonality of purpose.
I didn’t know that about Martin Luther. But I wasn’t referring to him. I was referring to everyone who makes the decision every day to follow him.
It’s a group evolutionary strategy. That’s all. A parasitic one at that.
It worked better than what we got, that’s for damn sure.
“I was referring to everyone who makes the decision every day to follow him.”
Although Lutherans famously run missions all over the world, by and large in the U.S. it is a religion one is born into due to German or Scandinavian heritage not one that believers convert to.
“if you all hadn’t left the Church, you could have steered it your way”
The Whore of Babylon was not, is not, the true Church. Come out of her and be separate.
Southern nationalists should beware of alliances with and assistance from Papists and Talmudists. They will steal your freedom.
Occigent says:
‘And if you all hadn’t left the Church, you could have steered it your way. That’s how things are supposed to work.’
Not in real life.
I suggest reading Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. Hundreds and hundreds of years of horror at the hands of Popes, Cardinals and Bishops united with heads of state.
What was the reformation? Why did it spread across Europe?
Chapter 8 informs us of John Huss a good and virtuous man. What were his alleged sins? Why was he burned alive at the stake? Why were the Reformers and their followers persecuted and killed?
Most people have no idea.
All of our young people need to be taught history of Christianity, objectively. Those who don’t know the history are condemned to repeat it.
Hey, look at this white woman. She’s probably Roman Catholic, but I am impressed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnJCvKA-oEU
Sorry, forgot to link.
http://www.gospelweb.net/FoxeMartyrs/FS_FoxeMartyrs.htm
Sam, Foxe’s Book Of Martyr’s is an unreliable history. Foxe reports as factual many things and events that he knew were not true. He also follows Mosin’s ridiculous pilgrim church narrative claiming there were Protestants before they even existed. For a rational take on Ol’ Foxy’s Book of Mistakes and outright lies, go to this link http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnline/58127/
I never claimed there were Protestants before the Reformation. That is a Papist strawman designed to discourage objective historical inquiry.
That there was Christianity BEFORE your “Supremacy” and that the Roman Papacy NEVER gained control of all the ethnic and local Christian churches in Europe, not even in northern and western Europe, before the Reformation, is factual and commonsensical. That the Whore of Babylon is still the enemy of true Christianity, along with Talmudism, is still true no matter how sloppily the “Foxe’s Book of Martyrs” was composed.
Stephen E Dalton says:
‘Sam, Foxe’s Book Of Martyr’s is an unreliable history.’
It has errors but on the whole is correct.
Catholic apologists tend to quibble over details but are not able to deny the unassailable testimony of history.
You can research the internet for other resources other than Fox.
For trying to get the Bible into the hands of the common man William Tyndale also paid the ultimate penalty.
Wiki: William Tyndale 1494–1536) was an English scholar who became a leading figure in Protestant reform in the years leading up to his execution. He is well known for his translation of the Bible into English. He was influenced by the work of Erasmus, who made the Greek New Testament available in Europe, and by Martin Luther. While a number of partial and incomplete translations had been made from the seventh century onward, the grass-roots spread of Wycliffe’s Bible resulted in a death sentence for any unlicensed possession of Scripture in English…
Tyndale’s translation was the first English Bible to draw directly from Hebrew and Greek texts, the first English one to take advantage of the printing press, and first of the new English Bibles of the Reformation. It was taken to be a direct challenge to the hegemony of both the Roman Catholic Church and English Laws to maintain church rulings…
In 1535, Tyndale was arrested and jailed in the castle of Vilvoorde (Filford) outside Brussels for over a year. In 1536 he was convicted of heresy and executed by strangulation, after which his body was burnt at the stake
I have read “The Martyr’s Mirrot” but never finished Foxe’s “Acts and Monuments”, having the immediate sense it was sloppy, polemical propaganda. But two wrongs don’t make right: Your “Sacred Congregation of Propaganda” was established (in 1622) to create effective schemes and arguments to persuade Protestants to come back under control. Is that a historical fact or not, Stephen Dalton?
Mistype: “Martyr’s Mirrot” should have been: Martyr’s Mirror.
“Dalton” is listed in the Compendium of Jewish family names (related to the Jewish name of an old Jewish community http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalton,_Israel in northern Israel) though it can also be an English name (“Dale-town”). How did Romanism attract you so strongly, Stephen?
@ Mosin Nagant says:
Remember, Rome is universal. Opposed to regional, local, ethnic Christianity….
I just don’t know. Isn’t it really just a COUNTRY?
If JAPAN suddenly claimed it had a global ideology that it was hellbent on everyone sharing, (in addition to having palaces, banks, special outfits and guards, archives of belongings appropriated during its various conquests, etc.)—- would that really make Japan a RELIGION?
If Africa suddenly claimed it had some global ideology that it was hellbent on everyone sharing (in additions to having huts, banks, special bead outfits, and guards, as well as archives and museums)—- would that really make Africa a RELIGION?
So, the pope has a main palace, many other palaces and castles, vast property holdings, a swiss guard is little gold outfits, his own outfits with red shoes and ermine (aka weasel) fur piping, his own banks complete with banking scandals, EMBASSIES around the world for “diplomat relations with other countries), etc, etc,—— so why is it called a “RELIGION?”
Frankly, it just makes no sense.
Unless Japan is a Religion. Unless Africa is a Religion. Unless the Congo is a Religion.
@ DixieGirl, you never directly answered my question as to whether modern Protestants who are against the Constitutional right to abortion are fighting against the founding Protestants who fought for separation of Church and state. Are they destroying what generational Americans built?
Huh? The preamble of the constitution says it was a nation “for us and our posterity.” That means a NATION in the biblical sense, very clearly.
Separation of church and state was created by my founders (who are mine, lol) simply to head off things like the pope having an embassy (given him by Reagan just as Mussolini gave him land). So we would not have to pay taxes to support foreigners and their religions.
Idk—- the way you’re using the constitution makes me think you should ask the Roman catholic supreme court why they uphold abortions AND YET ENSURE a world full of anchor babies, LOL
—- oh, should have clarified… a world full OF ONLY THEIR OWN little anchor babies, lol —even as they uphold “abortion” for many others.
yes, Sam, they say that without them we wouldn’t even have a religion, lol. But how would they KNOW? Without us, none of them would have ever learned how to read— and most of them don’t even know it.
Steven—
Not sure if you’re aware—- but many who are called “protestant” do not consider THEMSELVES to be so.
In that way, “protestant” is sort of like the word “goy”— a lump-sum word into which one group just dumps everyone who is not them. Especially convenient if you are not very smart and have difficulty making finer distinctions between things. Protestant is just “goy” but for the catholics, lol.
Look up “Baptists.” And “anabaptist,” and so on.
They don’t consider themselves “protestant.”
—oh, and a bunch of them were martyred for that, too
Protestantism is defined by its beliefs about the role of Divine Grace (or the Holy Spirit of the Trinitarian God if you prefer.)
It posits that:
1) Salvation can only be achieved through the intervention of God’s Grace and
2) Faith in God is only achieved by God’s Grace
as opposed to Catholics who believe that
1) Salvation may be achieved through good works and
2) Faith in God can be achieved through observation of the natural world and the application of reason (a legacy of Natural Law that Aquinas acquired from Greek philosophy.)
I tenuously sympathize in a weak theistic way with the latter as opposed to the former as I find Protestantism to be deeply imbued with Old Testament Judaistic theology.
David Hume proved that it was very difficult to make statements of absolute truth and believed that ethics and mores were physical phenomenon emanating from the psyche of individuals. Friedrich Nietzsche took this view a step further with his belief that power of the will could some how be summoned up as a counter to the atheistic nihilism that is engendered by that fact that the all-powerful monotheistic God has never been proven to exist.
I tend to be a empiricist and sceptic more in the camp of David Hume and Thomas Hobbes.
What attracted me to Catholicism Mosin? The unified theology and the provable history of the Catholic Church. Protestant theology is a pick and chose thing, 30,000 flavors to chose from. The RCC dogmatically states we have the truth, and can prove it by it’s history. All the Protestants can do is hollar, try our flavor, it tastes better than Brand X.
DixieGirl, I’m well aware of the “we’re not Protestant” claim. It’s hogwash. The Landmark Baptists are notorious for making this claim. McGoldrick’s “Baptist Successionism” blow these ideas out of the water. As I have noted before, all the groups that the various successionists claim descent from were just schismatic Catholics or bizarre gnostic sects that practiced magic and sex rituals. No competent historian who knows medieval or early modern history would buy into this nonsense. It’s only folks who are desperate to prove their point or woefully uninformed about history who go for this stuff. I used to believe this garbage myself, but when I started to read the actual history of these groups, I realized I was lied to by the Armstrong cult. It’s just a scam to prove these groups can trace their so-called history back to 33 AD. Sorry, but only the Western and Eastern branches of the faith called Catholic can do that.
Religion is for fools and con-artists.
“Religion is for fools and con-artists.”
True, but it is impolitic and counter-productive to harp upon it like a proverbial village atheist (by whom quite a few books have appeared lately.) Many religious people are perfectly sincere in their beliefs. They are of course speaking metaphorically about these beliefs, they just don’t realize it. There is much wisdom in a cultural traditions, including religion, (who can argue against the beauty of Chartres, Bach’s Mass in B minor, or the prose of the King James Bible?) and it is wiser to treat religious belief as an manifestly real and widespread psycho-cultural phenomenon and work with it rather than against it.
Instead of bickering about religion, we could conceivably brainstorm ways to make our upcoming event in TN a success.
I don’t know what will constitute a ‘success’ exactly, but I would advise that your ranks at this mosque demonstration will need to be a helluva lot more affirmative in number, than what showed up at that Uvalda thing.
The world is divided into two. Muslims, Christians, Hindus and Buddhists
Then people with brains.
Best to rally at Tyson Company suppressing wages.
“Instead of bickering about religion”
Who’s bickering. I’m merely proposing a strategy to deal with it rationally and productively. Alienating Christians and their sub-sects is not the way to do it as they are the potential natural constituency for Southern Independence.
Question diversity, not Jesus in one’s rhetoric.
Captain John Charity Spring MA says:
September 6, 2013 at 10:09 pm
The world is divided into two. Muslims, Christians, Hindus and Buddhists
Then people with brains.
Jack replies.
John, check out Viet Nam Vet’s research on the original Indo European Aryan tribe Indian Hindu religion, very interesting and very pro White. The varna, racial caste system made a lot of sense. The original Hinduism was like marvel comics Thor Odinism, but with lot’s of deep, constructive views about nature, animals, time, body, mind and spirit.
Stephen E Dalton says:
‘What attracted me to Catholicism Mosin? The unified theology and the provable history of the Catholic Church.’
Provable history?
Yes, there is a provable history of corruption, unbelievable brutality and suppression of truth over multiple centuries!
Countless persecutions of people whose only crimes were an unwillingness to bow their knees to maniacal bloodthirsty tyrants masquerading as God’s emissaries.
The Catholic Church advanced at the point of the sword. Swear allegiance to the Pope or die!
Stephen E Dalton says: ‘Protestant theology is a pick and chose thing, 30,000 flavors to chose from.’
What do Catholics know of Protestant theology? You have only one flavor and there is no choice. What your superiors deign to be true is true. Like a dumb
sheep or cow led to the trough you must eat whatever is given you to consume.
Woe to those who disobeyed! Heretic! Heretic! Deserving of painful deaths at the hands of inquisitors.
Almost every single Catholic I’ve met in my life is almost totally ignorant of the Bible, theology and Church history.
If you have a Bible to read NOW it is because of the those who dared stand up against the Most Holy Prelates sacrificing their blood, limbs, and lives to provide them for the unwashed masses.
They know only what their told by their overseers. My family, wife’s family and many friends are/were Catholics.
They know squat yet claim to be members of the TRUE church. All else imposters and infidels. Incredible arrogance. It is laughably absurd.
I was an altar boy as a youth myself and very familiar with all the confessionals, incense, candles, Latin (to keep rank and file ignorant) rosaries, pomp and ceremony.
I’m not speaking as one without experience.
The average Catholic would not know where to find the book of Ephesians or Colossians if his life depended upon it.
And if you own a Bible it is ONLY because of the efforts of those who sacrificed life, limb and blood to provide them for the unwashed masses.
Be thankful the Church does not have the power it once had but a few centuries ago. I would certainly be executed if I had a pulpit and if you yourself were impertinent enough to publicly deviate from the tenets of some prelate you could lose your head.
I was reading about Galileo Galilei recently and still am riled up.
If Hunter wishes for us to move back to the original topic I understand.
Sam, you are, evidently, a Christian with brains.
But John wrote: “The world is divided into two. Muslims, Christians, Hindus and Buddhists. Then people with brains.”
John, would you care to NAME those only people that you think have all the brains?
Re: “instead of bickering about religion”:
Religion is never an unimportant side issue, but always primary, central and foundational. If you build your Southron independence movement on any other supposed foundation than true religion, it is absolutely doomed. R. B. Rhett would tell us exactly that.
Sam, note that Stephen came to Romanism after a previous attachment to a very silly cult, the Armstrong Worldwide Church — and he has some Talmudic heritage — so his blind enthusiasm for Romanism is very understandable, though still dangerous for us.
This is a quote from another critic of the Crusade. It was made as a criticism of the Crusader and Jihadi.
“..and he has some Talmudic heritage..”
– So did Jesus Christ, as the fairy-tale goes.
“This is a quote from another critic of the Crusade.”
Do you mean the “brains” comment? Quotation marks would signal that you are quoting.
I’m more than critical of the Crusade. I’m an active opponent of it.
This is an awkward, in auspicious time to be protesting Muslims or appear to be protesting Muslims, who are victims of the newest wave of joint Amerikan and Talmudic aggression.
“in auspicious” should be: inauspicious
Mosin Nagant says:
‘Sam, you are, evidently, a Christian with brains.’
Mosin, thanks for the compliment, but I know my limitations. There are people far more intelligent than myself who hold certain beliefs that I would consider to be without merit. We are all brainwashed to a degree on various issues. When it comes to religious, spiritual beliefs I have far more questions than answers.
I started as Catholic, then began studying the bible. Spent more than 25 years attending services, conferences, bible study groups of several different denominations.
Attended Bible schools in the South and Southwest. Was a fervent Zionist Christian of the of the Zola Levitt, TBN, Kenneth Copeland, John Hagee persuasion.
Lord have mercy!!
I made trips to Israel, hiked the hills of Qumran, ate fish from the Sea of Galilee, climbed Masada, floated in the Dead Sea, walked the Via Dolorosa, viewed the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Paid for personal tutoring with a Rabbi’s wife to learn Hebrew. Got to the point I didn’t require vowel pointers which is no mean trick for a goy.
Anyway, to make a long story short each step along the way I thought I might be on the right track but felt there was always something lacking.
Head knowledge and plenty of concepts flooded my mind, but there was more, much more. I knew that from experiences I had as a child – when I seemed to escape the confines of this flesh and blood body.
I had two so-called Near Death experiences and hundreds of lucid dreams in recent years and many OBE’s that have compelled me to leave old landmarks behind and venture higher.
You probably would think I’ve gone off the deep end or are deceived.
Have you ever heard of Bob Monroe or William Buhlman?
I have had the exact same experiences as those two gentleman. I began having them beginning around the age of 7.
Again in my early twenties a flurry of these events.
I spoke with my pastor’s many years ago wife and she told me she had the same things happen to her and had an out of body experience when she died in a hospital.
She didn’t tell anyone about because the congregation would think she was off her rocker or WORSE.
Several years ago another flurry. Almost nightly occurrences. Spontaneous, not induced.
Because of the internet I’ve been able to read of other people who have had the same experiences.
So, I’m not dogmatic about anything anymore. I just recoil when I’m told I must adhere to a certain set of practices or beliefs someone holds or be damned.
Thanks, Sam. I appreciate your effort to learn, and openness to truth.
Hunter, since you requested that we do something useful to advance SN instead of bickering, I have a suggestion. Have you ever read Eric Hoffer’s “The True Believer”? It’s a book on how mass movements start and rise to power. Of particular interest is Hoffer’s terms for the phases of a mass movement.
“The man of words”. People write about what’s wrong with the world and how to change it. Both WN and SN has had plenty of MOW’s in the last fifty years. They have created a longing for a white nation that we used to have.
“The fanatic”. The fanatic phase is where enough people get tired of the status quo and decide ‘to hell with it!’ They will be on the march until the old order is overthrown. The WN and SN movements have plenty of “fanatics”. They want to change the bankrupt status quo. But there’s one problem with fanatics. They don’t know when to quit. They want to continue the revolution long after the need for it is long gone. This is why we need to have the next phase.
“The practical man of action”. TPMOA is just that. He’s the guy who says, “What must we do to insure the stability of the movement, how do we (re)build society, and consolidate our gains?” I see Dr. Hill, Palmetto Patriot, and you as TPMOA’s. All of you have decided we have had enough talking, that we have to avoid unwise actions that could hurt the cause, (fanaticism), and take practical actions, however small, (like Uvalda) to move us forward. This is why I support LOS, CoCC, and SNN. I know from experience that alone, men of words can talk and write till doomsday and accomplice nothing in the long run, the fanatic can kept marching until he’s destroyed everything, including what he’s worked for, but TPMOA can take things from the MOW’s, restrain the fanatics, and work with other TPMOA’s to build a workable society. Again folks, read Hoffer’s book. It can be a road map to our future, if we apply it’s lessons rightly.
Mosin, FYI, I abhor and reject Talmudism. I may have Jewish ancestry, but I believe in Jesus Christ and his doctrine, not the leaven of the Pharisee’s, which Christ denounced as Satanic. Experiences in Armstrong’s cult left me with a lifelong hatred for Judaizing, so I have no use for any so-called evangelical Christian sect that pushes Philo-Semitic or pro Israel propaganda or as Rudel rightly notes, Protestantism itself is deeply imbued with Old Testament Judaistic theology. (Especially Calvinism.)
“Again folks, read Hoffer’s book. It can be a road map to our future, if we apply it’s lessons rightly.”
Yes, one elite usually replaces another one. The average person does not rise but hopefully has better life under the new regime. Unfortunately the good results of mass revolution are spottily represented at best.
Given all yankees have done, and the way most of them behave here, why would any Southron man claim kinship with them?
That is a question mosin you have never answered. yankees shattered kinship ties in 1860 & have done nothing but double down on their despicable actions. Where is the bonds of kinship after the War of Northern Aggression, reconstruction, civil rights act, voting rights act etc etc
@Stonelifter
You just concern yourself with the politics of the Czech Republic. This ain’t your country anymore.
“Where is the bonds of kinship after the War of Northern Aggression, reconstruction, civil rights act, voting rights act etc etc”
I grew up with scads of wealthy Episcopalians and Presbyterians from southeast Pennsylvania and Delaware who had plenty of family connections in the South. They even sent their children to UVA!
“Given all yankees have done, and the way most of them behave here, why would any Southron man claim kinship with them? That is a question mosin you have never answered”
Whether or not you claim cross-the-LINE kinship, there is another kinship we MUST maintain: making sure we are right with God.
“I grew up with scads of wealthy Episcopalians and Presbyterians from southeast Pennsylvania and Delaware who had plenty of family connections in the South.”
Interesting, Rudel. I didn’t know that. I had friends in Delaware, and along the Mason Dixon Line in rural southeast Chester County and Cecil County who I think were very southern-oriented. Speaking of growing up with Presbyterians, perhaps you are a Calvinist, and no wonder you didn’t like “John ‘Cohen’ Calvin”. But it is likely that he was.