American North
Here’s an interesting excerpt from Sweet Land of Liberty about the North’s civil rights laws at the state level:
“What made northern racial barriers so frustrating was that they were sometimes as hard and fast as they were in the South but, at the same time, they could also be surprisingly and unpredictably flexible. The rules of racial engagement in the North were seldom posted. And a countervailing set of rules – state civil rights laws, many dating to the nineteenth century – promised blacks that the strong arm of the law would be on their side. By World War II, eighteen northern states had civil rights laws that forbade discrimination in public accommodations. But the exclusion of blacks from hotels, stores, restaurants, and recreation centers in the North operated in a strange gray zone, blurring distinctions between “private” and “public.” Exclusion was the consequence of private actions, sometimes backed by legal sanctions but seldom encoded strictly in law. As L.D. Riddick complained in 1944, “despite the absence of Jim Crow laws,” northern Jim Crow was widespread. Michigan, for example, had a law dating back to 1885, strengthened in 1937, forbidding discrimination by race. But when the Michigan Commission on Civil Rights issued a report in 1948, it noted the “daily humiliation” blacks faced when they were denied access to restaurants, hotels, and even stores in Michigan.”
I found this in the footnotes:
“By World War II, eighteen northern states: Those states were California, Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington and Wisconsin. … By 1959, six more states, all in the West, had passed laws forbidding discrimination in restaurants.”
Most racialists on the internet are unaware of this.
Not only were there no Southern-style Jim Crow laws in the North, eighteen Northern states already had civil rights laws by World War II. Most of these civil rights laws were passed in the late nineteenth century.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act only extended the North’s social system to the South through federal legislation.
Iowa: banned public accommodations segregation (1884 and 1892).
Minnesota: banned segregation in public education (1887), banned public accommodations segregation (1885, 1887, and 1895).
Wisconsin: banned segregation in public accommodations and public transportation (1895).
Michigan: banned segregation in public education (1871), banned anti-miscegenation laws (1883 and 1889), banned segregation in public accommodations (1885).
Illinois: repealed exclusion of free blacks (1865), banned segregation in public education (1874 and 1896), banned segregation in public accommodations (1885 and 1897).
Indiana: banned segregation in public education (1877), banned segregation in public accommodations (1885).
Ohio: banned segregation in public accommodations (1884), banned anti-miscegenation laws and segregation in public schools (1887).
Pennsylvania: banned railroad and streetcar segregation (1867), banned segregation in public education (1872 and 1881), banned public accommodations segregation (1887).
New Jersey: banned public school segregation (1881), banned public accommodations segregation (1884 and 1898).
New York: banned public accommodations segregation (1873, 1881, and 1895), banned school segregation (1894 and 1900).
Rhode Island: banned public education segregation (1882).
Massachusetts: banned public accommodations segregation (1865, 1866, 1885, 1893, 1895), banned public education segregation (1894).
Fifty years after the Civil War the Northern and Western states had less than two percent Black population when the darkies are that small it doesn’t really matter what the laws are most normal people will avoid them whoremongers and assorted weirdos won’t be stopped by laws. We should have let the south go and preserve the pure whiteness of the North while leaving the South to deal with their slaves.
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but that isn’t how it happened is it? now you got detroit and chicago, and other shitholes. now you know why we can’t stand the niggers. to know the niggers is to hate them. now you understand. too bad for you, but now you know, and we are in this together, so forget about the whole “south getting tossed overboard” bullshit, cause we ain’t goin nowhere, much to your dismay. LOL!! WE WILL ALWAYS BE HERE!! LOL!!
“We should have let the south go and preserve the pure whiteness of the North while leaving the South to deal with their slaves.”
It’s not the Negroes we should be worried about (they can’t really take care of themselves) its the Hindus and Chinese relentlessly flowing in.
You can say you don’t engage in ‘discrimination,’ but when the total number of non-whites in a state is 7 (my wife teaches MN. History, those are the facts for the eara 1900-1910), darkies aren’t a problem.
Now, when HHH told all of the Welfare Queens to leave Gary, IN. and come to MPLS, well then, that’s when the poop hit the oscillating motor, as it were.
And there was until the early 1990’s a clause that forbade selling to ‘non-Whites’ in Edina, MN- now the damn suburb is the hotbed of Indian/Paki folks, coming in on the H1B visas- a different, more ‘respectable’ darkie, but not a White man. Personal incident- As one of the brood heard noted on her bus, at a ‘certain’ stop on the route, from another student (and he an intelligent bi-racial African American), ‘Sure smells like curry all of a sudden.” Racism comes in all colors- White is the absence of color. Think about it…..
That cluster of years says a bit such as how one generation’s politics is in style then fades away (of course not totally). My guess is that the radicals piggy backed a lot of this to the power of the Grand Army of the Potamac’s agenda and less on its stand alone merits. I of course could be wrong.
“It’s not the Negroes we should be worried about (they can’t really take care of themselves) its the Hindus and Chinese relentlessly flowing in.”
Why should we not be worried about those who comprise over 50% of the EBT users in the USA, per the 2010 Census?
That’s OUR money going to keep such detritus alive, and on the welfare dole.
But yes, Calfornication is already an Asian stronghold, and unless we have emulate the British in stopping suttee, a few Indian Hindus sprinkled around (like curry? see above) only points out the fact that the low intellect of the sort of lesser race, that believes in polytheism…. is one that is perpetually darkened, even if they are PhD’s.
“Hindu belief is that the soul has to pass through 8.4 million species of living forms before getting to a human birth. Surprisingly, this number is close to the number of species known to biologists! Also, according to the mythological stories, avatars (incarnations) of God came to earth in the form of fish, land animals and eventually human beings. Of course, science would not go that far, but the progressive evolution through various species is the basis of theory of evolution. Thus Hindus have no problem with the theory of evolution. ”
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/VasavadaK1.php
Ship all the bastards back. Starting with Obummer.
Re: ‘science would not go that far, but the progressive evolution through various species is the basis of theory of evolution (…) Hindus have no problem with the theory of evolution’:
Science, as such, would indeed not go that far! Science as such is not, should not be incompatible with faith. Godless evolutionism is wrong and anathema to Christians, but the sciences concerned (biology, geology, physics, astrophysics, etc.) are valid and useful, not evil of themselves. Note the reason for this digression: I am being probed and tempted, Talmudically, for a ‘liberal’ weak spot on the ‘Quaker’ thread, since it is evident I understand and appreciate natural science, and rules of Biblical exegesis.
Of course if l lived just a century earlier I would probably be a six-twenty-four-hour-days Genesis interpreter, like all my Christian ancestors probably were. Going back a few centuries, they would probably all have followed the ‘flat earth’ interpretation of the dry land that appeared beneath the firmament and was completely surrounded by ‘the waters’. But to hold such a view today could not be BOTH intelligent and honest.
We are not greater than our ancestors because we have more knowledge. We are just as mortal today, and just as prone to sin. Life is still a very short walk from cradle to grave, when we face eternal destiny in the hands of the Living God, with no reincarnation or any other second chance to alter or escape it.
Northern liberals and do gooder types pride themselves on helping the poor black man as long as they can do it from a safe distance. When that distance shrinks they engage in white flight just like all the “racists” do. They think the process of helping and fleeing will go on forever but of course they’re delusional.
“Going back a few centuries, they would probably all have followed the ‘flat earth’ interpretation of the dry land that appeared beneath the firmament and was completely surrounded by ‘the waters’.”
Educated Europeans (including medieval monastics) have understood that the earth was a globe since ancient times. Eratosthenes accurately measured the circumference of the earth in the 3rd century B.C.
Rudel, kudos to you for telling the truth about the flat earth nonsense. I’m amazed that some people like Mosin still buy that silly myth that the ancients believed in a flat earth. Apparently, some of those superstitious, dark age, clergy and laity were better informed than Mosin!
“Fr.” John the defrocked priest without portfolio or congregation still believes the earth is flat.
‘Educated Europeans (including medieval monastics) have understood that the earth was a globe since ancient times. Eratosthenes accurately measured the circumference of the earth in the 3rd century B.C.’
Of course I am well aware of Eratosthenes’ remarkable calculation, and I also believe many other ancients understood. Nevertheless it was likely, as I said, that my Christian ancestors in the Dark Ages, and even much later, followed the ‘literal’ interpretation of the Biblical text.
‘Circle of the earth’ is not necessarily a concept of a spherical earth. The next step to a heliocentric conception was even more uncommon among ancients. Without the ability to measure and travel long distances, Flatness is commonsensical .
China held the flat earth concept until the eighteenth century, and aboriginal cultures worlwide were/are all flat-earthers, including our ancient European ancestors and the ancient Hebrews. Greeks of the Classical period were the first to be enlightened, but ancient and medieval Christians were a mixed bag: Christian leaders who insisted on literal interpretation of the relevant Scripture were explicitly flat-earth, while some (including Augustine) were aware but critical of the sphere model, and many others did accept it — but I think our average, unschooled, Christian peasant ancestors through the Middle Ages still took the Bible description literally in accord with their limited perception.
I never thought Christopher Columbus was groundbreaking. I always read he undertook the voyage because he understood the earth was spherical, and it was already the established view.
Re: Eratosthenes:
Muslim astronomers in the ninth century calculated the circumference of the earth to be 24,000 miles, and later, Abu Biruni came even closer to the true figure by a new method of sighting the Sun simultaneously from two different locations, using the astrolabe, algebra, and trigonometric calculations based on the angle between a plain and mountain top.
Marrano Christopher Columbus used the calculations of Al-Farghani, a Muslim astronomer, hoping to prove that the circumference of the earth was smaller than Ptolemy’s calculation.
In the twenty-first century it is still not difficult, in fact easier (it comes naturally) for the average, unschooled (or minimally schooled) person to take such Bible accounts literally rather than metaphorically.
The above doesn’t apply to the Y-chromosome (father to son) or to mitochondrial DNA (mother to child.) All the rest of the 22 (autosomal) chromosomes are affected by this phenomenon though.
Oops! Wrong thread.
“Flatness is commonsensical .”
Except to sai;ors!
Re: Columbus. He travelled to Bristol England in the 1480’s before his famous voyages and must certainly have heard stories about sightings of the North American coast from the fisherman there who regularly sailed to the Grand Banks in search of cod.
I still regard Columbus as a hero and well deserving of the title “Admiral of the Ocean Sea” despite school districts like Berkeley California replacing Columbus Day with (horror of horrors) Indigenous Peoples Day.
The interesting thing about Columbus, is that he sent letters describing his discovery to notables all over Europe. Something which no one had ever done before.
There was a considerable amount of fear of the Roman Catholic Church that had kept various scientific discoveries quite—you didn’t want to be declared a heretic. But, Columbus had the backing of the Spanish royals who were the muscle for the Roman Church, so he had little or nothing to fear from the Church of Rome.
As far as our European ancestors go, only a small educated handful could read, and most historians agree most Europeans had not been more than a few miles from their homes. So horizons were very limited.
Mosin, I think it’s sad the way you’re running down our ancestors as ignorant and superstitious . That idea is part of the old dark ages myth spread by secularist bigots starting in the age of Enlightenment. As Rudel demonstrates, people just weren’t that ignorant. Your bias causes you to grasp at straws like the Chinese believing in the flat earth. The Chinese were incredibly isolated from the Western world for centuries, so their flat earthism is totally irrelevant.
Rudel, Columbus also visited Iceland to study the records the Vikings left behind about their trips to vinland.
“As Rudel demonstrates, people just weren’t that ignorant.”
I would amend that statement to “educated people just weren’t that ignorant.” Earl is right about the average peasant. I think of studies I’ve seen that speculate (the Crusades aside) that the average European peasant (or even a country squire) never travelled much further than 20 miles from his home during his entire life and usually to a market town or to visit distant relations in the next county or shire in order to find a sufficiently non-blood related wife.
Some smarter monks and priests were true scholars (especially second sons of the nobility being groomed as abbots or for bishoprics) but many were mere scribblers re-using ancient parchments for illuminated manuscripts of the Bible. X-ray techs and art restorationists have discovered writings of the ancients underneath some of these manuscripts. Some monastic orders were more open to knowledge of the natural world than others. The Benedictines come to mind in this regard.
Have you all seen this research about feudal manorialism and the propensity for outbreeding in medieval populations?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line
And:
http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/medieval-manoralism-and-the-hajnal-line/
Read my comments again, in which I never said nor implied that our average white peasant ancestors were IGNORANT. I said they were unschooled or minimally schooled — and especially, they were ENSLAVED, held down and held back by the tyranny of that FALSE Christianity, which even today is so powerful that we ‘must not’ even NAME it here on OD.
Columbus, the Marrano, had ‘the showman’ in him. Even today he makes the impression of the Einstein of Explorers.
Very interesting link, Rudel, on manorialism and marriage.
There is a continuum of the advance of knowledge from the natural, commonsensical impression of flatness, to conceptions of disks and cones, and spherical models of the earth, to heliocentrism, to modern cosmology of a possibly infinite universe.
One could be a true Christian at any of these stages of understanding, but not when pretending not to understand, and denying and working to destroy, restrict or control science that we do understand.
ANOTHER ‘Hajnal Line’ exists today: Within the line, Whites enslaved and deluded by the Elite are marrying later and less, and outbreeding more than other peoples outside the line. Within the line, in our bondage to the Elite, we are losing the last of our family and community ties and cultural and ethnic identities.
What will we do without freedom?
“One could be a true Christian at any of these stages of understanding, but not when pretending not to understand, and denying and working to destroy, restrict or control science that we do understand.”
I must say Mosin, you sound like the famous Jesuit scientist and philosopher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.
‘you sound like the famous…Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’
I hope not, Rudel. The IN-famous Jesuit Teilhard did hold correctly that science and religion are not incompatible, but he was heretical even beyond the norm of heretical Romanism and Jesuitry — saying things like:
‘Christ saves (…) Christ, too, is saved by evolution’!
He promoted his notion of ‘the Noosphere’ (‘world mind’) of unity, progress and final deification of all mankind — and denied the literal existence of Adam and Eve, and original sin.
http://theoblogical.org/dlature/united/ph2paper/noosph.html
Mosin Nagant’s uninformed comments about the so called Dark Ages shows he’s in his own dark age. The picture he paints of those times is totally at variance with the true history of that age. Regine Pernoud’s “Those Terrible Middle Ages!” will educate you by showing you what life was really like back then. Mosin’s fantasy world just didn’t exist.
“Columbus, the Marrano”
Columbus was in no way, shape, or form a Marrano. He was Genoese and descended from local tradesmen.
Actually, Columbus was a Greek Orthodox prince from Chios, who escaped the fall of Constantinople. That was why he signed his name with Greek letters, was learned, and was admitted to the company of fellow nobility, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella.
Anyone who believes the claptrap about a wop tradesman, is an idiot.
Oh, it’s RUDE-L.
Q.E.D.
“Fr.” John the defrocked priest without portfolio or congregation still believes the earth is flat.”
Did you ask me? And bearing false witness is a sin… but then, to one who does not believe himself to be anything but infallible, the fact that some don’t bow down and worship him, is really pissing Rude off.
“Educated Europeans (including medieval monastics) have understood that the earth was a globe since ancient times. Eratosthenes accurately measured the circumference of the earth in the 3rd century B.C.”
Thank you for finding that tidbit on Wikipedia. Anything my 10-year old could do… and did, back in the day. You’ve neither proven your intelligence, nor your manners.
“Mosin, I think it’s sad the way you’re running down our ancestors as ignorant and superstitious . That idea is part of the old dark ages myth spread by secularist bigots starting in the age of Enlightenment. As Rudel demonstrates, people just weren’t that ignorant…”
Mr. Dalton, Rude hasn’t demonstrated SQUAT.
And the West is terminally ignorant, in that it still holds to an aberrant worldview, dominated by the filioque, even though almost all so-called Christian confessions (apart from Rome’s instransigent Vat. II neo-pseudos), consider it an accretion and a damning one, at that.
Re: ignorance: Our white ancestors were not ignorant but confused and oppressed, as our people remain today, under the same misleaders and oppressors. This is not myth but fact, and a living reality.
Re: Columbus’ origin:
Fr John, the Greek origin idea and information is interesting. I will consider it. I had heard before that he was possibly of Greek heritage, well as native Genoese, Catalan, and Portuguese, and Spanish or Portuguese Converso, and Marrano. I just read there have even been suggestions of Polish and Norwegian!
Some reasons for supporting the Iberian Secret Marrano Theory over others include: his evident cosmopolitanism (Spanish-Latin-Greek-Hebrew), showmanship, self-salesmanship and eloquence, while considered a mediocre sailor and cosmographer; his support coming from three wealthy Jews, who were kept updated on his progess directly, and before or more so than the Queen; the provisions made in his will of tithes following Jewish custom, and for a Jew living in the Jewish Quarter of Lisbon, and of instructions to mark his grave with a triangular signature of dots and letters resembling Jewish gravestone inscriptions, representing the Kaddish.
But Mosin, have you read his diaries? They sound almost Evangelical 20th-Century, praising Jesus, and setting up the “Gospel” in the new lands, etc. Now, I doubt that Ferdie and Izzie had wiretaps on his diaries, like Obummer has on our communications devices, but it would appear his heartfelt wish was both for gold AND God.
Besides, it’s disgusting to think of him as a Jew- sort of like thinking of Judas as an Aryan…. or Rudel as a human being.
Rudel, I’ve seen a lot of evidence that Columbus was a Marrano. However, I’m willing to read other source material for other arguments as well. Could you please give me some?
“Actually, Columbus was a Greek Orthodox prince from Chios, who escaped the fall of Constantinople.”
Hahahahahaha! Lunacy, sheer and utter lunacy. But what other than that should one expect from a crackpot such as yourself?
“I’ve seen a lot of evidence that Columbus was a Marrano.”
No you haven’t. What you have seen is ignorant speculation about so-called cryptic signs on his gravestone.
The vast majority of scholars, citing Columbus’s testament of 1498 and archival documents from Genoa and Savona, believe that he was born in Genoa to a Christian household. According to the esteemed historian Samuel Eliot Morrison in his stirring biography Admiral of the Ocean Sea: The Life of Christopher Columbus his father was Domenico Colombo, a middle-class wool weaver who worked both in Genoa and Savona and who also owned a cheese stand at which young Christopher worked as a helper. Christopher’s mother was Susanna Fontanarossa. Bartolomeo, Giovanni Pellegrino, and Giacomo were his brothers. Bartolomeo worked in a cartography workshop in Lisbon for at least part of his adulthood. He also had a sister named Bianchinetta.
For your further education there is The Worlds of Christopher Columbus Cambridge University Press (1992) by the Nobel Laureate William D. Phillips and his wife Carla Rahn Phillips; or try the Encyclopedia Britannica; or the recent book by another real scholar, the Harvard educated Laurence Bergreen Columbus The Four Voyages, 1493–1504 (2012) and not the rantings of some half-baked Bible college frauds.
His first appearance is as a Portuguese slave trader working the African coast, before his trip to Iceland. Many of his crew members on his voyages were Marrano.
I’ve read a few short excerpts of his diaries where he sounds very Christian, but all evidence needs to be considered. So it’s the very Christian private expression in the diary on one hand, versus the will, signature and a few other things: http://www.abqjew.net/2012_05_01_archive.html
Note that some prominent Jews (including Simon Wiesel, in ‘Sails of Hope: the Secret Mission of Columbus’) make the IMPOSSIBLE claim he was actually trying to find a homeland for Jews!
The majority of scholarship does support the Genoese, Ligurian-Italian origin.
Rudel, I didn’t know anything about the tombstone. I’ve heard the Marrano speculation from several sources. I’ll look up those books asap. Thanks.
Isn’t it strange that he used that triangular anagram as his signature, like those on gravestones in Iberian Jewish cemeteries, and ordered his heirs to use it? British historian Cecil Roth (not a ‘Bible college fraud’) said in ‘The History of the Marranos’ that anagram WAS a cryptic substitute for Kaddish.
A linguistics professor at Georgetown (Jesuit) University (certainly not a ‘Bible College fraud’) analysed hundreds of handwritten documents and determined his primary language was the Ladino (the Yiddish of Spanish Jews) current at the time.
Isn’t it strange that he wrote the Hebrew letters meaning b’ezrat Hashem (‘with God’s help’, a Jewish blessing, used for centuries) at the top left corners of all but one of thirteen known letters to his son Diego (all of them EXCEPT the one that would be read by King Ferdinand!), and NEVER on letters to outsiders?
I could go on, but the evidence all points to a Marrano ‘family secret’ in Columbus closet.
His first voyage to America was supported by an INTEREST-FREE loan from two Jewish Conversos and a Rabbi, Don Isaac Abrabanel. Columbus wrote his first letters home not to the King and Queen, but to his supporters, keeping them informed. More circumstantial evidence, I know.
OK Mosin, rely on picky interpretations by Talmudists of what amounts to chicken scratchings on a few documents to deny commercial and Baptismal records, and copious accounts by third parties and Columbus ***himself*** that he was in fact ITALIAN. You obviously are a lot smarter and more intelligent than generations of legitimate scholars and a Nobel Laureate.
I’m done with you.
“or Rudel as a human being.”
Fuck you John. If we ever have the chance to meet and you dare to repeat any of your insults to my face I will make sure that you end up wishing you were never born.
Yet it appears there is still room for difference of opinion among the certifiably wise:
Ongoing university-based (not Bible college-based) genetic research using Columbus’ bone samples from his several graves http://www.upf.edu/cexs/actualitat/columbus.html#.Uog5cd4o7X4 (this page updated recently) is still attempting to determine his origin or nationality.