In the United States, the idea that anyone should be able to fornicate with whoever they want, whenever they want, without interference from the state or the church, or at the risk of social condemnation, was once associated in the 19th century with a radical social movement, the utopian “free love” movement:
“Free love began to coalesce into a movement in the mid to late 19th century. The term was coined by the Christian socialist writer John Humphrey Noyes, although he preferred to use the term ‘complex marriage’. Noyes founded the Oneida Society in 1848, a utopian community that “[rejected] conventional marriage both as a form of legalism from which Christians should be free and as a selfish institution in which men exerted rights of ownership over women”. He found scriptural justification: “In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven” (Matt. 22:30).[26] Noyes also supported eugenics; and only certain people were allowed to become parents. Another movement was established in Berlin Heights, Ohio.
In 1852, a writer named Marx Edgeworth Lazarus published a tract entitled “Love vs. Marriage pt. 1,” in which he portrayed marriage as “incompatible with social harmony and the root cause of mental and physical impairments.” Lazarus intertwined his writings with his religious teachings, a factor that made the Christian community more tolerable to the free love idea.[4] Elements of the free-love movement also had links to abolitionist movements, drawing parallels between slavery and “sexual slavery” (marriage), and forming alliances with black activists.
American feminist Victoria Woodhull (1838–1927), the first woman to run for presidency in the U.S. in 1872, was also called “the high priestess of free love”. In 1871, Woodhull wrote: “Yes, I am a Free Lover. I have an inalienable, constitutional and natural right to love whom I may, to love as long or as short a period as I can; to change that love every day if I please, and with that right neither you nor any law you can frame have any right to interfere”. …”
In hindsight, George Fitzhugh was right. It was a short road from abolition to free love. “Free love” is now so mainstream in the United States that the term has fallen out of our vocabulary. As much as I hate to link to anything by Rod Dreher, I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I stumbled across this story from Wesleyan University:
“Open House is a safe space for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Flexual, Asexual, Genderf*ck, Polyamourous, Bondage/Disciple, Dominance/Submission, Sadism/Masochism (LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM) communities and for people of sexually or gender dissident communities. The goals of Open House include generating interest in a celebration of queer life from the social to the political to the academic. Open House works to create a Wesleyan community that appreciates the variety and vivacity of gender, sex and sexuality.”
As a privileged White male cis-speciesist, I had never heard of the existence of “safe spaces” for the Bondage/Disciple, Dominance/Submission, or the Sadism/Masochism communities.
“Also supported eugenics…”
Well, a broken clock is right twice a day. But how did that square with the rest of his libertine attitudes?
Victoria Woodhull was the kept woman paid mistress of one of the Vanderbilts, hardly an independent woman. She and her sister took to the stage as some sort of hypnotists/spiritualists after Vanderbilt dumped her.
The whole free love thing is a bit of a joke, as though people had not been having sex with other than lawful spouses throughout human history.
Its just Cultural Marxism. The idea is to atomize whites so we can’t fight back.
It must be deliberate: it contains both “FAG” and “BDSM”; who says these folks don’t have a sense of humor?
Ironically, government is what is making it impossible to impose social controls on deviants. In the old days a race mixing slut was liable to receive a public beat down.
Wesleyan University in Connecticut is a school for wealthy Jewish kids who couldn’t get into the Ivy League.
The United Methodist Church is the only major Protestant denomination still refusing to marry homosexuals. That will remain the policy until 2016-2017. When you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be another attempt by the Northern homosexuals to overthrow that sound Methodist policy.
There is a colored Methodist preacher in Alabama who is pushing for gay marriage. How these colored Methodists even got into the mix in Alabama and elsewhere is beyond me. Maybe, they were part of the old Methodist Episcopal Church? Which was a Northern church. I always thought, and was taught that the African Methodist Episcopal (AME) Church was for colored folks.
When the three major Methodist Churches got together in 1939. One was Northern. Two were Southern. Part of the reconciliation/merger deal was no integration in the Methodist Church, somewhere that fell out in some areas, or old Northern practices carried over in some churches, and in some areas.
Hunter, what do you know about that colored preacher in Alabama who is preaching homosexual marriage?
I’m also unhappy that there has been some negative criticism of George Whitfield who was one of the founders of both the Methodist and Presbyterian churches in America. Whitfield was a slave owner, and saw slavery as a positive for both White people and for Blacks. Whitfield was also one of the most popular preachers in the 18th Century both in America and Britain. He had a voice that would carry, and even people like Ben Franklin remarked on it.
Man cannot exist in a condition of absolute immorality. Usually when the retarded right criticizes rampant immorally they are told that one cannot legislate morality. That bit of advice usually shuts them up as they pee on themselves in fear because they have offended the mighty Judeo-liberal coalition. But we are not the retarded right, we are the racialist right, and we respond thus to our enemies: It may be true that one cannot legislate morality but a healthy State has a duty to prosecute immorality and its advocates therein. Of course, that does not refer to you and you blessed concept nation, as you are far from being a healthy nation, you are too far gone to save, we instead refer to the coming Ethno-State. You have the satisfaction of having taught us well. We have observed the toxins which destroyed America which you and you kind released. At least now we know to uproot those toxins tooth and nail when they dare raise their poisonous head in our future Ethno-State!
A “safe place” for bondage, sadism etc means some sort of brothel where the management keeps surveillance and prevents the submissive people from being killed or seriously injured by the dominators.
It is rather dangerous for S&M bondage types to hook up or pick up and go to someone’s home for whatever it is that they do. A person can get killed that way.
Also the ‘safe places” have all sorts of different equipment that the paying customers can enjoy, sort of like one of those go cart or paint ball or skateboard parks.
I’m constantly amused at how, er, uncomfortable so many “conservative” men are about the bondage and spanking (BDSM) thing.
Your wives are fantasizing about being tied up and spanked by Mr. Grey, but you are all too scared to do it for her.
No worries, more for the guys who can do it for them.
@HipsterRacist
You just inferred that white heterosexual women who aren’t interested in BDSM are defective and somehow repressed. That stupid book is YOUR new religion, not mine.
Maybe you have mommy issues and want her punished, like Paul Elam who is still angry that Mommy made him take his diarrhea medicine when he didn’t want it.
Hipster Racist writes: “Your wives are fantasizing about being tied up and spanked by Mr. Grey, but you are all too scared to do it for her.”
How would anyone desire such a thing if never having heard anything about it? Does anyone, or his wife, here know the Mr. Grey reference? Unlikely.
We live in a society of increasing “polymorphous perversity”. Low IQ, atheist brutes spend their days in perversity, viewing sex as the highest pursuit in life – and not for reproduction but for recreation.
When a pregnancy does result, it’s accidental and likely with an unwanted mate. Disease spreads, and the middle aged obsess over plastic surgery to relive their sexual glory days, because they know of nothing else.
The causes are societal anti-racism (perversity encourages miscegenation) and atheism (nothing after this life). Perverts are enemies of race.
If women desire a more submissive role in the household or bedroom, I doubt they need bondage.
I’ve heard some men defend beating their wives too. It sounds sick to me.
@OldStudent
No, that inference is all yours. Nevertheless, BDSM is one of the most common women’s fantasies.
My actual comment was about how many so-called “conservative” men seem to have some weird hangup about what is a common women’s sexual fantasy – one, I would point out, that pretty much re-enforces traditional gender roles.
Oh sure, the “BDSM Community” might be a bunch of politically correct weirdos trying to turn what is pretty common into some “alternative lifestyle” but the vast, vast majority of women with a bit of BDSM fantasies are not a member of any “community.”
I just can’t understand why this ultra-common, heterosexual, gender-conforming sexual fantasy would be considered so weird by so many so-called “conservative” men.
@Weaver
Technically, no one “needs” bondage. One supposes you could only have sex with your wife in the missionary position once a month and never do it again after you don’t want any more children. But most men take pleasure in pleasing their wives.
How about just traveling, keeping her impressed with change of scenery and with improvements to the house and yard or to a second house/yard etc. or changes with a business or work on a mutual project or just on a new dress/cooking.
The couples I’ve known who’ve gotten into weird candles and stuff still didn’t stay together. It seems everyone gets bored at some point, which is why it’s necessary a couple get along firstly and secondly put in effort to make things work when difficult.
I don’t believe it’s healthy to orient so around sex as people do today.
Someone will say a wife will sleep around if bored, but if she isn’t bombarded with suggestions on the TV for her to sleep around, she might not even consider it. It isn’t normal for a person to even think of bondage.
If new experiences are wanted, how about scuba diving and sky diving? I’ve never in my life thought, “I want to tie someone up before I die.” If I were that bored, I’d think I had lived too long.
Julius Evola got into the pagan religious aspect of sexuality for a time, I’ve read. And Hinduism has heterodox sexual groups, though orthodox Hinduism of course rejects them. If a couple desires a thrill, that sounds like a preferred path to tying one another up.
The sex workers I’ve met have been low IQ women, because presumably that’s all they could do. They’re empowered in society only by their appearance. Because they marinate in perversity, perversity is all they know.
More complete humans shouldn’t need such great perversity I wouldn’t think.
However, if a wife did get it into her head that she wanted to be tied up, I suppose a husband should pursue the adventure with her. It seems very abnormal, degrading, and unhealthy to me though. I wouldn’t personally be caught dead in a strip joint. I’ve always thought myself better than open perverts. If a person pursues such pleasures, it should rightly be behind closed doors, in embarrassment.
By having met sex workers, I’m not saying I’ve ever been with any. I haven’t.
I lived next to a couple of strippers in college. I left the door open one day, and one of them wandered in. I was younger than she, so she began to play out what I presume was a porn fantasy of being unable to reach her boyfriend and needing to use my phone. She dialed no number and hung up, at which point I chased her out and went to class.
Normal people fall for normal girls they see around them. They don’t fantasize about something in pornography, because they’re out living their lives.
A friend of mine, who is in his early 30s, cheated on his wife with a stripper. That made the marriage almost unbearable. Was the act worthwhile? I doubt it.
If a man wants to prove he’s alpha, he should have lots of children. Sleeping around is only impressive in some way if you’re fathering lots of children. When nature tells a man to sleep around, it’s telling him to reproduce. Obviously it’s unChristian, and likely bad for the poor children, to sleep around. Only the wealthy in our society could demonstrate their alpha level in such a manner.
Nordic whites and likely East Asians do seem less perverse than other races. It does seem almost natural for Jews to be perverts. Likewise, I think Southern Europeans are more perverse than are Northern.
If a wife is stupid and barren, perhaps sexuality is her only means of interacting with her environment. But for normal, healthy women, which is presumably what this blog focuses on, children and other experiences are focused upon.
Growing up, I always thought the real women around me are more interesting than the ones I see on TV. My focus was always on chasing real girls in real life. So, I don’t think perversity is a normal thing. And people wouldn’t become perverts if the TV/computer didn’t create the desire.
Who dreams of prostitutes and strip clubs when there are real relationships to enjoy?
I suppose I’m no expert in sexuality, but none of this seems normal for a healthy couple. Strip joints and sex work is for the incomplete.
I’m not saying this to look down on you. I just think a healthy culture develops healthy values. I don’t myself really care what others do. I certainly have plenty of flaws myself.
“Free Love” is to marriage what “free trade” is to economics and “free immigration” is to nationhood. Social conservatives should have that comparison put in front of their faces constantly. You tell your daughter if she gives the milk away no one will buy the cow, but you let your industrial corporations slut around on workers and the nation whore its birthright out for cheap labor and brown skinned votes. How is there a difference?
As for “sex workers” , the street and truckstop prostitutes and strippers I’ve met professionally (my professions, not theirs!) are of course low IQ, low ambition, low self esteem people. It’s hard to tell, though, since most have had such significant drug abuse that one can’t be sure they were stupid before the meth and crack started. In the case of the high class call girls, a few of which I’ve encountered (again, not in their professional capacity!), most seemed intelligent and somewhat educated and cultured. However, it was obvious with a little inquiry that they had something wrong with them emotionally and spiritually. Most were either sexually abused or had deep seated emotional issues of other sorts. I do know a woman who today is moderately successful managing a sizable retail business who in her twenties was a Las Vegas working girl. She told me she had been abandoned in grade school and though never molested was emotionally abused by foster parents. She said most of her co-workers were also disturbed in some way, but were disciplined enough to hide it on the job, and several had committed suicide or been in destructive relationships (often lesbian) after or during their working careers.
It is an interesting fact that one thing most prostitutes, whether $1000 a night Manhattan call girls or I-70 Flying J lot lizards, will not do for any amount of money whatsoever is make pornographic movies. Nor will most porn actresses do it for money- unless there is a camera rolling. Not sure why that is.