The Reagan Coalition Doesn’t Exist

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1. The voting coalition did exist, however, as you note, the political coalition never did. That’s largely because there never were that many Bible thumpers. Even Reagan exploited this small group for votes but never did anything to repeal abortion.

   Using social issues as a shiny object is the cornerstone of the cuck strategy. They love getting everyone distracted worrying about fags while they undermine and dismantle the white working class.

   • I’m glad Hunter is finally waking up to how he’s been tricked for decades.

     The GOPe/neocons have done nothing but manipulate Christian conservatives. Thankfully, the southeast has enabled GOP voters to realize the ruse.

2. Hunter,

   I strongly believe it is important to

   Name Names – Dox

   There are specific (filthy rich) individuals heading these corporations and doing the worst of the extremist, social justice warrior Left.

   We/You/Me/US have been (modestly) successful when we made some specific rich #*$&# traitor like Tyson Foods CEO Donny Smith the bad guy on immigration/social justice warrior treason – or like when we outed and took down that Onion King in Georgia.

   Way too often American White Conservatives just whine about all powerful corporations or the Federal Reserve, Liberal Media etc.

   We need to do what the Left does – identify an enemy, dox the enemy and personally punish the enemy – and this doesn’t entail using guns or doing anything illegal.

   It has to become the reality that traitors are outed and they and their friends and family start paying strong social costs – they don’t get to play golf in peace anymore, they don’t get treated well in fine restaurants, regular people insult them, their children denounce them.

   The Jews do this very well, anyone who insults them or even mentions their power – the Jews work to ruin the guys career, mess up his personal life.

   We have to do the same.

   Let’s name names.

   I named Bruce Springsteen and his band mate – where do they live – some posh area in LA I am sure.

   • Destroying their golf game ought to be a priority.

   • That,s the way to do it. Eastern Europe did it and at least now nationalists have the upper hand. I don,t know why West fanatically ignores the Elephant in the living room and blames everybody from jews to immigrants despite without white liberal both will be powerless.
     Some people claim that we are in the war with islam. Eastern Europe don,t have war with islam, we just finished off the white liberals and we have no islam.
     That,s the reason Hungary threw out Amren conference few years ago. They wanted to push us to some sort of “white nationalism” We don,t care about nonwhite IQ, we care about enemy within, white liberal and we are more intrested that liberal are genetically different.
     Tiny poor Macedonia defending it,s borders sucessfully despite all jewish and immigrants and international pressure. How they suceed? Because local white liberals know whats happen with traitors.

     • An extremely interesting comment, Juri.

   • Bruce Springsteen lives in Rumson. NJ. You can see his estate from the highway. We saw him holding a birthday carnival, for one of his kids, one time, when we were driving by. Rumson is very wealthy, and 97% White.

     • Think “The Boss” might just be trying to keep a facade of “New Jersey” roots.

       Most of these types of Manhattan, Hills of LA, Aspen, Martha’s Vineyard types with the rest of the country being flyover places that these elites periodically insult for now being welcoming enough to LGBT and Muslims.

       • Nope. I’m sure BS has other houses – but when I lived in NJ, several years ago, there were regular sightings. Same w/ Bon Jovi. I posted that Crazees ice cream joint cause Bruce & Fam used to patronize the place on a regular basis. BS was all over town, all the time . I didn’t live in Rumson; I didn’t have the ducats – but I lived 2 towns over. I used to go shopping at Rumson markets all the time, for primo quality groceries. I never ran into BS, but I know plenty of folks that did.

   • Were Crazees still open, you might have run into Bruce, one Summer night.

     http://www.remax-nj.com/jerseyshore/realestateinsight/crazees-ice-cream-shop-rumson-nj-446250

   • I am perplexed by the way nearly every single music act has cancelled their North Carolina shows, old “has been, over the hill” classic rock acts that appeal primarily to blue collar middle aged dudes who probably don’t like queers in women’s clothes in their daughters’ restrooms. Somehow I think their industry promoters have given them strict orders to tow the line and boycott or else go back to being a broke “has been.”

     • Yes, you are correct.

       But, also understand rock and roll music is best performed and appreciated by young people in their teens and 20s – not ~ 70 year olds who now live in the Hollywood Hills/Left Coast.

       These PC aged, over the hill classic rock acts have had to kiss a lot of a** and suck a lot of ***** to stay on after the party really should have been over and these types settled down in to real jobs or mentored young people as old bluesmen.

3. Fiscal Conservatives were originally a group of Northeastern Fat Cats ie Rockefellers, Morgans who only used Conservatism to get what they needed for their companies. Adolf Hitler spoke about this in the 1930s and said that Democracy didnt work and that the United States as a HALF JUDAIZED HALF NEGRIFIED Nation was doomed. When he spoke this the United States was about 90% white (Number includes Latinos Jews and others so if you don’t include them it was probably 83%) Today the nation is minority white and probably has been for 20 years. I don’t believe the US Census numbers.

   These Northeastern Conservatives were always socially liberal as many were bisexuals and pedophiles who worshipped the devil as good members of the Illuminati are want to do. They also formed an alliance with wealthy Southerners, called Bourbons who were thrown out of power in the 1890s. It took them until the 1960s to seize the South. Once the populists like Barnett, Wallace and Maddox were done, the Bourbons ala Jimmy Carter and his ilk took over. Look at how the wealthy whites in Atlanta and New Orleans were so quick to side with Negroes, while the middle class and poor whites fought

   Tells you all you need to know don’t it?

4. The GOP has been ignoring fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, and national security conservatives for years. The party is Big Government, Social Liberal, and focused on making the Military Industrial Complex lots of money. GOP elected officials do nothing for national security. Just look at our national borders and the Islamic invasion of America and Europe. The Evangelical voters still vote for the GOP because of Zionism. Most of them see the Jews as more important than Family Values & Morals. Good news the split in the GOP is getting larger. Hopefully that will result in more right wing elected officials in the near future. WPWW !

   • The problem is Zionism cuts across party lines and has infected most of Protestantism. In the South where Baptists predominate, Alabama was one of the first states in the USA that called for the establishment of a Jewish State this was 1942 btw when it was a Democratic State. Zionism is a relative newcomer, it only began infecting Christianity at the end of the 1800s because of a Jewish Theologin named Franz Rozensweig and his allies along with the Scofield Bible.

     The problem this creates is that some Protestants, especially in Southern States support Israel as if the Jews were blood kinfolks. The only Churches that have remained relatively free of Zionism I believe are the Orthodox, Catholics were infected in 1965, and some of the independent churches.

     The Problem of Zionism is a problem of Evil Jews and more evil so-called Christians. Hunter needs to do a good article on the Jewish bugaboo in Protestantism especially among Baptists and others

5. The white people reading this site and/or others like it need to make a decision. A big one. You need to decide if you want to work throwing boxes and the like, or if you want some clout in this modern world.

   Sing all the working class hero songs you like, but bear steadily in mind you have no power. You know why.

   The reason “Big Business” is doing what is described above isnot because of anything integral to big business, it is because so many homosexuals are in dominant positions there. And in the world. This is not because of anything to do with homosexuality, per se. It is because a lot of homosexuals decided not to throw boxes for a living and instead …Well, you know.

   Asking what is wrong with being a truck driver or carpenter is the wrong question. There is nothing wrong with being a telegraph operator, either, you might as well say. Except for at least two things. And they are two biggies.

   I too didn’t like that National Review article. But after reading it a few times and some of the comments, I must say there are a few kernals of truth in it. Shouting is not going to make integrated circuits go away any more than it worked a hundred years ago against the automobile. Nor will shouting alter the fact that janitors do not have the same clout as federal judges or movie executives. This lesson best be learned and sank in. In a hurry.

   Deep truth, knowing how to skin a buck or run a trout line ain’t worth a continental fuck for keeping a country boy alive in this world today.

   • 100% Correct. The Jews are racially prone to bisexuality in fact i would bet about 20% of Jews are homo or bi. The Jews run everything. The problem we are dealing with started in the 1850s, and got much worse after 1920 when political power shifted firmly to the cities. Except for Texas oilmen, business discriminated hard against Southrons and the natural Southern dislike for urban life and white collar work was the Southern man’s undoing. Also beginning around 1900 when big busines wanted everyone to speak in a Mid Atlantic Patrician accent. regional accents were eschewed.

     The exception was in Radio where the Jews decided that the accent of General American English which is the accent of Iowa Nebraska Illinois Indiana and part of Ohio was what every newscaster should speak. Another discriminatory move that left Southrons out in the cold.

     Question is in 2016 whats the cure?

     • To me, Billy Ray, it’s interesting that you speak of a “natural Southern dislike for urban life and white collar work.” I don’t know whether you’re familiar with Toby Keith’s “Who’s That Man” video, which may be viewed at YouTube. The visual contrast between our hero Toby and the man who has married his ex-wife says it all …

       • Well it’s a fact that historically Southrons didn’t like urban life or storekeeping, that is why Jews often ran stores especially company stores in Southern towns. A Southern Man’s wealth is his land. Just recently my grandfather died at 91, he was sick the last year of his life because his brothers and sisters sold his father’s land in Kentucky which was valued at a couple million dollars of prime mountain forest land. They sold it because they wanted the fast cash but he said that my Paw said never to sell the land, this is our land as long as the earth stands. Thats how he felt you dont get rid of your land.

         • Of course, I, as a Northerner and one, moreover, who does not think the South’s cause in the Civil War was good, can never entirely fit in here, at Occidental Dissent, Billy Ray, but I find it very interesting to learn these things about Southerners. Not too long ago, I remarked to Mr. W., our host, that the Southerner is not urbane, not even now, when, as Mr. W. himself pointed out, a majority of Southerners live in cities. In a somewhat related remark, I said to Mr. W. that I feel I’m more connected to the civilization of Victorian Britain than is many a Southerner, even though the Southerner will have British blood that I don’t. It is as a Northerner that I have the connection. Southerners, to restate it, are, in a way, less connected to the Britain of their ancestors than are the descendants of the countless non-British immigrants who didn’t arrive in America–in the North, that is–until well after the Civil War.

         • Well, John, what I might add is this :

           most Southerners who live in big cities are Yankee-ified, to the extent that they prefer to live like a commodious widget in a highly integrated and specialized urban world, where one is mostly detacht from traditional life.

           They see themselves as ‘progressives’ and do not usually identify much with our culture.

           As to your comparision, on thinking yourself ‘Victorian English, in state of mind, and we, Southrons, not – I can see that quite readily.

           The traditional Southern mind is much closer to the 17th century English mind – maybe, even, farther back than that – maybe back to the Hundred Years War.

           I think the English who came over here were, as disparate individually as they might have been, united, in their disparity, by one thing ; they did not see a place for themselves in the way England was going.

           So, we are a rejection of English modernization, which went through Victorianism, and now is just generick socialism.

           Further, with regards to your English analysis, I would say this : you are thinking about city life in 19th century England, particularly London – because, in 1855, if you to the train to Devon or Cumbria, I doubt very seriously they were living in anything remotely connected to the urbane Philadelphian of today.

           Anyway, back to cities and southerners. In my state, more Southerners live in small towns and the boonies, than in the big cities, toto. That may explain why we are so very ‘repressive’, and, thus, Boston, Bruce Springsteen, and the Deutsche Bank will come here no more.

           I have come to see big Southern cities as Yankee occupied zones – much like Kabul is in Afghanistan; and, just like Afghanistan, the rest of the countryside belongs to the natives, because even the power of the Yankee government cannot quite rule it all.

           I think the rural southerner has a timelss quality, and this is antithetical to The North and modern Western Europe, both place in search of a brave new place in the future.

           That said – there are many places in South America, or in Eastern Europe, that share our statick spirit.

           God bless you, John.

         • Many of Occidental Dissent’s commenters, including, maybe, Billy Ray and you yourself, Junius, would be surprised–amused–to learn how new these questions are to me, a man in his sixties. A few years ago, in response to something or other that was posted here by Mr. W., our host, I said, quite without irony, something like, “I take it there’s a large black population in your part of Alabama.” Mr. W. responded, in turn, not with a Southern regionalism but with a present all-Americanism: “Duh.”

           Some years ago, in circumstances I needn’t detail, I was speaking with a north-central Pennsylvanian who mentioned that he was his family’s fifth generation to work the farm he owned. When, promptly, I relayed that information to a paternal aunt of mine, who was present, her head whipped toward him, as she said, “How beautiful.” Since he probably had much farm work scheduled for the following day, which was a weekday, he was probably startled when she added, “We’ll come see your farm tomorrow.”

           The elderly mother-in-law of one of my Irish, maternal cousins still lives, as far as I know, on the farm, outside Philadelphia, on which my said cousin’s wife grew up (though some of the land has been sold off). When my cousin and that girl got married, they did so in the downtown Philadelphia Ukrainian church that was her family’s ancestral parish.

           Maybe you will take all of that–my aunt’s remark and my cousin’s wife’s background–as more evidence that Sicilians and Eastern Europeans are rather like Southerners. Well–maybe they are; but really, I think most Americans, whatever their ancestral ethnicity, would have sentiments and traditions like that.

           When I am reading “Jane Eyre” or Trollope’s “The Parson’s Daughter of Oxney Colne,” I feel a connection to those nineteenth-century English characters, even though they are living far from the London that, as you reasonably suggested, might be what I am primarily thinking of when Victorian England is in my mind. No–I think I am correct: something happened. Somehow, in the course of their history of negro-holding, Southerners were transformed, into something unique. A few years ago, when Mr. W., our host, was reporting the history of abolitionism, he remarked, as I recall, that Northerners, in adopting abolitionism, were following the fashion in London. Should he read the present comment, it will be up to him, obviously, to say whether I’m misrepresenting his sentiment, but I thought I detected, in his comment, a bit of antipathy toward London, which, I gathered, he was ranking with Washington, D.C.; New York City; and other atrocious places. Aside from a smidgen of Scottish blood–which includes, as Mr. W. knows, an ancestor whose name, like that of Mr. W., is Griffin–I am not at all descended from Great Britain; but I must tell you, IN THE FULLNESS OF MY SENTIMENTALITY, that I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER disparage London, not even by intimation.

           Well, I am sure you and I and other Occidental Dissent commenters will continue to visit these difficult questions. Whatever the answers are, I hold dear all of you good Southrons, whom I regard as my countrymen, even if you might prefer I regard you otherwise. God bless you, too.

         • Dear John,
           I thank you for the blessing of this great comment. As usual, I find your prose interesting, not the least for which it neglects your cosmick eye, and subtle analytical aspersions.
           No, I am not surprised that you are ‘in your 60s’ and are finding some questions ‘new’.
           John, you and I have outlives our time in history, and, being gracet, or curset, by the fact, we find ourselves at the end of a bayonet to adapt.
           In my case, this came because of the internet. Suddenly the whole world, from which I had been carefully shielded by the federal government, came into view – particularly the doings of said ruling entity.
           The long and the short of it was that it hurt like the dickens, and I went through some really wild-eyed grieving and fear. Eventually, however, in my mourning, I stumbled across a video of South Carolina’s Michael Cushman interviewing Dr. Michael Hill; and, though my pain did not cease at that moment, I knew that they were what I had been supposet to be, all along. At that point, I threw a funeral for my old head, and stared wide-eyed at him who had always been in me, but, from whom I had been carefully kept.
           I can tell you this ; there have been some damnably discomfitting moments, in said process. That said, I got through it, and I will never turn back, for I will never again embrace the idea of being an American, unless that embracing allows me to be a Tarheel first, and a Southern second.
           The pie in the sky Federalism American Exceptionalism American Interventionalism upon which we were carefully raised, is as dead to me as a cadaver that has been, for two days, lying out in the sun and pickt over by vultures.
           After looking carefully at this remark of yours, and reviewing the reflected light of your aura, I am now convincet that this connection to London you feel has nothing to do with any politick or sentimentality, as it were, but, is a reflection of the fact that you were a Londoner – born, in, oh, let’s say 1842, and died in 1918. The memory of that has traveled with you, though you cannot quite remember who you were.
           I suspect that, if you got the chance – you ought go to London, and, in a fit of dousing by your mental nose, just ride about the town. At a certain point you will find your former haunt, or a former friend who will aid you. I am sure of it. Perhaps you were a fish-monger at Piccadilly, or a merchant at Chelsea, but, you will find it.
           As to whether we are countrymen or not, I cannot find an answer for that.
           I am a Southerner, lock, stock, & barrel – and you, My Dear Sir, are. lock, stock, & barrel … not that:)))!
           That said, John, I am becoming your friend, and that consideration trumps all the other dimensions.
           As always, praying for your well-being, Junius.

         • I thank you in return, Junius, for your comment. It’s interesting that the internet has enabled each of us not only to familiarize himself with things of which he might otherwise have remained unaware but to engage in this direct exchange, by epistle. Certainly, the past half-century, through which we’ve lived, has been unlike any other period in history. I’ve sometimes remarked that the Twentieth Century saw the undoing of three things that were virtually synonymous with civilization, from its beginning: construction with stone block, the horse as tool, and the holy man. What has often struck me is that younger persons, such as Mr. W., our host, have somehow suffered the past half-century’s dislocations, even though they were born too late to have direct memories of the world the counterculture began to sweep away. It’s not only oldsters, as far as I can tell, cheering at those Trump rallies …

           In positing 1918 as the final year of my all-but-forgotten English life, you’ve demonstrated your usual intuition. That, I suppose, is when Old England began to fade away, though she retained enough men for a good filling of the final meat grinder that was the Second World War.

         • Yes, John, this last past half century, through which we have lived, is unlike any other period in history – for the sheer unbridled avarice with which we have tried to rewrite all human existence, or, at least, in The West.

           Everything must be dumpt on it’s head – from the early theories of Darwin & Marx, to the increasing notion that we, as a specie, are, now, competing with God and nature to rewrite death.

           Death, My Friend, and, in fact, all limitation to the mobility of the projected self (like transgender notions or the notion of having been invented by a God)) is the declared foe.

           It would seem that our success at bridling Mother Nature, and producing such a steady food supply, has led to the first generations of those who struggle with being fat.

           I remember being in elementary school, in Raleigh.
           If there were 800 of us, surely not three were ‘fat’, nor did any have to be encouraged to go out and exercise.

           And so here we are – demi-gods of our own projections; and yet : lacking the vision for any self-restraint.

           In fact, for more than half of those who see themselves as ‘Les Americains’, the notion of accepting limits seems, at best, quaint, or, much more likely – insipidly superannuated.

           And this determination to transcend all barriers has led us into the great struggle of our time – that of the globalist (no borders, anywhere) and the nationalist; – he who has not yet seen fit to join into one universal blob of indiscernible humanity; ridiculed, by the many, for his decided quirk.

           Anyone who favours steady borders, in this day and age, is utter anathema to those who do not – and must be stigmatized as Toquemado; which is why Miss Hillary shall not be running against Mr. Trump, but, against Adolf Hitler.

           I thank you for your kind remarks about my intuition and for your patience. Normally I am not so remiss, pursuant to my correspondence.

         • You’re welcome, Junius. You needn’t feel apologetic about the time that passed before you gave me your replies. I think of our present exchange as semi-casual, so that either of us need contribute to it only when–if–something comes into his mind.

           Over the next few days, I’ll reply to the several other very-interesting comments you’ve posted. With respect to your comment to which I’m presently replying, yes, I think you’ve identified the thinking that leads to the characterization of Trump as Hitler: Any limitation–whether it’s a wall along our border with Mexico or a ban on the movement of Moslems into the U.S.–is, in the liberal mind, objectionable. That seems to be the thinking underlying so-called Black Lives Matter: Any motion by any black man in any circumstance is reasonable; any attempt to limit his motion, by, say, putting a bullet into him, is objectionable.

         • Great analysis, and one sees how the welfare of the negro has gone, with the removal of most of his impediments.

           God bless you, John. I’m ‘a goin’ nighty-night1

         • No, John, I am not surprised to find out that questions are new to you – even though you are erudite, inquisitive, and vital in your sixties.

           I, too, am learning and changing, all the time.

           So, well I understand it.

           Furthermore, if I have not yet said it, I’ll say it now ; you and I have outlived our time in history.

           Thus, we get two choices : either float, oddly out of kilter, until death takes pity on us, or reassess, and take on somewhat new personages.

           Your story of the northern-central Pennsylvania farmer (5th generation) is a Southron story – as I am surrounded by such, in my country church.

           That thy aunt loved it, is, also very Southern.

           Rurality, and the reverence for it, is, still, deeply ingrained in the Southern mind, though, in this case, it finds an equivalent up north.

         • “Your story of the northern-central Pennsylvania farmer (5th generation) is a Southron story – as I am surrounded by such, in my country church.”

           Interesting that you mention that, Junius. While I was talking with that Pennsylvania farmer, he mentioned the church to which his wife and he belonged. Once I’d figured out its location, I made a point of driving by it, just so I’d have a sense of its appearance. I’d say it looks rather like your own church, whose appearance I checked, via Google Maps, after your recent mention of it here, at Occidental Dissent. (You mentioned it when you spoke of the death of one of your fellow members of it, an elderly man you admired.) Yes, Southerners have distinctive qualities, which you and I are presently discussing, but I suppose I mention these similarities between North and South because the rift between North and South troubles me.

           In connection with that, I’ll copy-and-paste a comment that was posted here, in the present discussion, a few weeks ago, when I focused on Billy Ray’s mention of a “natural Southern dislike for urban life and white collar work.” The comment, by Robbie Burns, was not remarked upon by anyone here and is as follows:

           “There is little difference between Southerners and midwesterners and the rest of rural whites viz this issue. The only real difference is accents and styles of dress when you get down to it. And often not even style of dress.”

         • Yes, John, I know Trollope or Bronte’s world would have to include you, for, there, with little effort, I see you.

           Concerning ‘negro-holding’, I cannot see that as much different from ‘peasant holding’ that occurred in Olde England – which was well alive, during your late days under Victoria’s reign.

           That society was still principally rural, and just as did East Prussia, until 1945, maintain it’s rigid archaick form (every one had there place, for which all were, in there own way, respected, and which you could not leave.

           This is The South, too, and, in spite of all the mobility being forcet upon us by the government, for whom we are a colonial possession, the greater majority of rural and small town Southrons, still live within this comforting, yet antithetical to modernity, mindset.

           Further, The North held slaves – and, no, I am not speaking of those African negroes occupying a similar place to ours – up until the 1820s and 1830s, but, all those millions of white niggers, truly exploited – unlike our darkies – who never had to wonder about their sustenance, shelter, medical care, or place, in the scheme of things.

           In fact, John, still today, the Yankee government carries on it’s slave system – importing it’s Latin niggers by the bushel, and subcontracting out, at the expence of every American working man, every chore to a hostage work force of 3rd world sweat-shoppes – all while congratulating itself on ‘having put an end to the evils of Southern slavery and Jim Crow.

           Yes, my words seem a bit sharp, and yet, please don’t think they re aimed at you; for they are not.

           I only wish to point out that slavery is one of the few commonalities that runs through civilizations, so, on that account, I wax sceptical about that aspect having necessarily having formed us.

           Still, negroes our a seminal part of The South – from their fatty high salt foods to the fact that they almost singlehandedly created and shaped the flow of our musciks, most of those forms which ,for decades, the rest of the country regards as ‘quintessentially American’.

           Why are we like we are?

           John, I still fall back upon the inscrutable vagaries of Karl Jung’s ideas on the psychick gestalt that inhabits each culture, and which influences, to varying degrees – though always significantly – the individuals who arise thence.

           Our weather is different, as is our vegetation and soil, and, as I have hithertofore declared, the kind of Englishman who came here, was already, by the mid 17th century, seeing himself outmoded in the new developing Britannia.

           I sometimes wonder if those who came here, migrated here on a mission to escape modernity, and, hence, it was the unspoken psychick intent of the settler, which created it’s boldest stamp on this land.

         • “I still fall back upon the inscrutable vagaries of Karl Jung’s ideas on the psychick gestalt that inhabits each culture, and which influences, to varying degrees – though always significantly – the individuals who arise thence.

           “Our weather is different, as is our vegetation and soil, and, as I have hithertofore declared, the kind of Englishman who came here, was already, by the mid 17th century, seeing himself outmoded in the new developing Britannia.

           “I sometimes wonder if those who came here, migrated here on a mission to escape modernity, and, hence, it was the unspoken psychick intent of the settler, which created it’s boldest stamp on this land.”

           As I reread the above paragraphs, Junius, I can’t help thinking you’ve said all that can be said on this subject–this mystery. One of the things I find interesting is that you and I are in agreement that there is a Southern gestalt–a distinctive mentality; we are simply trying to understand–maybe futilely–how it arose.

           “Concerning ‘negro-holding’, I cannot see that as much different from ‘peasant holding’ that occurred in Olde England …”

           That I’m not sure about. The negro seems to me to be quite different from other human types, and that means that the South–to my mind, anyway–was unique. No, the slavery itself, as you point out, was not unique. I wasn’t suggesting the contrary, but never before had whites been with a large population of blacks, a population, moreover, whom the whites had charged themselves with controlling. I can’t help wondering whether there was some sort of sociological pressure on the whites. Let’s just say I’m keeping negro-holding on the list of possible causes of the emergence of Southern-ness.

           PS Philadelphia’s Kensington neighborhood, a landscape of industrial ruin being turned into a hipster clime, began as a suburb, founded in the early eighteenth century by one Anthony Palmer. As you may confirm in the History section of Wikipedia’s entry on Kensington, Palmer came from Barbados, where he had been a merchant–a slaveholding one, I’m quite sure, just like the Barbadians who started the Province of Carolina, from which your own North Carolina was made. Maybe that will make you wonder, as it makes me wonder, whether Palmer, having come to the North, where he was not on a sea of blacks, escaped (for lack of a better verb) the transformation into a Southerner.

           Here’s the Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_District,_Pennsylvania

         • Concerning the fact that Mr. Griffin holds a thousand times more English blood in his veins than you, would not necessarily make him as much Anglo as you, because, it is my firm conviction that the transmigration of souls speaks more for individuality than blood – although blood certainly has it’s place.

           Mr. Griffin could easily have been a Hungarian, in the previous life, with absolutely no connection to Anglo culture.

           Morever, many of my fellow Southerners share Mr. Griffin’s blood, to the same exclusively Anglicized blood that he has, and yet : their take on life is so adverse to his, it would take a half Jew, such as myself, to protect him from their wrath.

           By the way, as a child I had many dreams of being in the Waffen SS. And though many of those dreams were perfectly mundane, SS they were.

           Furthermore, I squirmed heavily at the idea of being Jewish, as a child, something for which there could be no explanation, as my daddy was the kindest of souls to me, and there was absolutely no basis for the discomfort.

           As I grew older, John, I came to think many of my repetitive dreams indicated that I died in a hail of Soviet gunfire to the belly, in the last days of the war, in the erstwhile Konigsberg.

           I say this to you, because, we are immortal – even the bible states it, not to mention many other religions.

           And yet, we drink from the River of Forgetfulness, which means we are shorn of the factual details of our former existences, and yet – not the understandings of them.

           I believe that each person spends a large portion of their lives, unconsciously working out dilemmas from the previous existence, and part of that is carrying inexplicable sentimentalities, such as you evince.

         • “And yet, we drink from the River of Forgetfulness, which means we are shorn of the factual details of our former existences, and yet – not the understandings of them.

           “I believe that each person spends a large portion of their lives, unconsciously working out dilemmas from the previous existence, and part of that is carrying inexplicable sentimentalities, such as you evince.”

           Part of me, Junius, wants to embrace those thoughts of yours, if only because they’re so charmingly put. Another part of me, of course, is the scientific layman, who wonders, skeptically, what could be the mechanism of transmigration of a soul. If you’ll permit me to drag things down to a sort of Freudian level, I’ll remark that your dreams of the SS and my own Anglophilia seem related to our ethnic isolation from the more or less English world that is traditional America. Maybe that is what we struggle to resolve.

         • PS Several years ago, I remarked to my friend Alex–whom I’ve mentioned to you–that the migration of the Puritans to America seemed, to me, a sort of reaction to the arrival, in England, of the Renaissance. “People are getting too smart around here,” Alex replied, in imitation of the Puritans’ departure sentiment, about which I was theorizing.

           Obviously, that ancient thought of mine rather parallels your own observation, Junius, that the Englishmen who migrated to America, in the Seventeenth Century, did not see “a place for themselves in the way England was going.” The question is why the American North’s Puritans and Quakers, who probably started out much more alienated from England than were the groups who settled in America’s South, ultimately retained a cultural connection of some kind to Britain, a connection that, as I’m arguing, Southerners lost entirely. (Well, maybe not entirely. I learned of “The Parson’s Daughter of Oxney Colne” from “Cambria Will Not Yield,” a website whose proprietor, I think, is Southern.) Yes–that is how it seems to me: If America, Australia, Canada, and England herself were somehow, suddenly, rid of all persons except the English and their descendants, the South would still not fit in. Sad though it is to say, something–negro-holding, I guess–alienated you Southerners forever from all the rest of the English. I, a descendant of wretched Sicilian and Irish refuse that washed up on the American shore, am more connected to your ancestral England that you can ever again be. Well–maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part, since I love the English so much–but I suspect it’s true.

         • Well, far be it from me to argue with a former Englishman, yet, I find myself vibrating peculiarly to your statement that y’all, Yankees, have got more English in them than we, Southerners.
           I mean, yes – we did become something profoundly new and separate from Englishmen, BUT, at the same time, we have maintained so many ways of the old country, that, I’ll be ‘hanged’ if I ever saw up north.
           Like what? ; you ask?
           First and foremostly, our way of speaking.

           Our manners. Men hold the doors open for ladies, we don’t tailgate, we wave at each other, passing by each other on country roads (this is done between strangers) and this is exactly like England of yore.

           Our cuisine : yes, a lot of it is our own (blessed negro influence of frying) BUT, most of our diet is bland with some salt – just like the Mother Country.
           We still believe that cowardice and sneakiness are sublimely dishonourable, and yes, The majority rural South, by and large, has maintained it’s ancient English view of race.
           By the way, John, when our dinner guests leave the house, we walk them to the car, and stand there waving at them, until they are out of sight. THAT, Sir, is incredibly English, and so olde that, in fact, most Brits may have forgotten it.
           And, might I say – our manners of address are so very olde English ; ‘M’am’ ‘Sir’ ‘Miss such and such’ – by the first name, like ‘Miss Hillary’.
           And we smile when we don’t feel like it, because we don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings; and we speak of fishing and the weather, so as not to step on anyone’s toes!
           I could go on, BUT, I think you get the drift…

           John, if you ever come to stay with us, the Yankee in you will feel very out of place, BUT, the old Londoner, will somehow know his way about.
           One last note – being educated in Raleigh as a kid, I knew the order and sequence of the English Monarchy better than I did the Yankee government presidents. if that is not maintaining the old country, then what is?!?

           Anyway, enough of my impertinent refutations. I’m interest to see whither thou goest next, on this theme!

         • It’s gracious of you, Junius, to minimize your own remarks as “impertinent refutations”; but the ways and practices you’ve noted–not to mention your (to me quite surprising) childhood instruction in the sequence of the English Monarchy–do amount to “Englishness” in the Southerner. Indeed, the antebellum plantation owner of the South is, in the American imagination, something like a figure of the English gentry–like Mr. Rochester, in “Jane Eyre.” The question, I suppose, is whether these traits and practices amount only to a sort of English shell, over a figure that is not English. Whatever the following items may be worth, they occur to me in connection with that question…

           1 — The following was posted here, at Occidental Dissent, some time ago, by Mr. W., our host:

           “We are a peculiar people, sir! We are an agricultural people; we are a primitive but a civilized people. We have no cities – we don’t want them. We have no literature – we don’t need any yet … We want no manufactures; we desire no trading, no mechanical or manufacturing classes … As long as we have our rice, our sugar, our tobacco, and our cotton, we can command wealth to purchase all we want from those nations with which we are in amity, and to lay up money besides.”

           That is a Southerner, former U.S. Senator from Texas Louis T. Wigfall, explaining Southerners in 1861 to whom? To a correspondent FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM. Granted, the differences between the English and the American people in general were probably great enough at that point that even a Northerner would have had to explain some American ways to an Englishman; but in the above remark, Wigfall seems to be characterizing Southerners as a breed indifferent to, if not disdainful of, all the arts and sciences that Western Europeans had been cultivating since the dust of the Roman collapse had settled. “We are Scythians,” he seems to be saying, living beyond the edge of your civilization. The Eighteenth Century days when a colonial English governor of the South would send a member of the Royal Navy to put an end to the mischief of Blackbeard seem long past.

           END OF ITEM 1

         • ‘“We are a peculiar people, sir! We are an agricultural people; we are a
           primitive but a civilized people. We have no cities – we don’t want
           them. We have no literature – we don’t need any yet … We want no
           manufactures; we desire no trading, no mechanical or manufacturing
           classes … As long as we have our rice, our sugar, our tobacco, and our
           cotton, we can command wealth to purchase all we want from those nations
           with which we are in amity, and to lay up money besides.”

           Yes, a great quote by Mr. Griffin.

           In fact, John, it is the Northern man that has built the big cities in my country, North Carolina.

           In many ways such places, as Charlotte and Raleigh, are Yankee occupied zones in our midst – not unlike Kabul in Afghanistan – as the inhabitants rarely venture out among us, because most have the second sense to know that they do not belong with us.

         • “In many ways such places, as Charlotte and Raleigh, are Yankee occupied zones in our midst …”

           Before I say anything else re this, I’ll mention, Junius, that you and I are connected in yet another way: the layout of Raleigh is patterned after that of the original City of Philadelphia (now the city’s downtown section, as I think you know). Below are the 1683 Philadelphia map and the 1792 Raleigh layout. As you’ll see, each features a central square, plus a square in each quadrant …

         • “In fact, John, it is the Northern man that has built the big cities in my country, North Carolina.

           “In many ways such places, as Charlotte and Raleigh, are Yankee occupied zones in our midst – not unlike Kabul in Afghanistan – as the inhabitants rarely venture out among us, because most have the second sense to know that they do not belong with us.”

           After I read your above comments, Junius, I visited Wikipedia, to see photographs of Charlotte and Raleigh. I found the below photographs, which are so pleasing to the eye that I couldn’t help thinking that a boy growing up in either of those cities would be very proud of his hometown. Well–this is part of the mystery you and I are discussing: How is it that city life, which is a normal part of existence everywhere else in the white world, is somehow something alien in the South?

           My sense, not incidentally, is that the Southern attitude involves a moral critique of urban man. In, for instance, “Who’s That Man,” the Toby Keith song whose video I mentioned at this discussion’s head, the man who has married the narrator’s ex-wife is implicitly disreputable, a swindler, in effect, who has come to be “running my life,” i.e., the hero’s life. If we substitute a white shirt for the pastel shirt the man is wearing in the video, he looks rather as my own father did, each day he returned home from the unglamorous office in an old Victor Talking Machine building in blighted ghetto Camden where, as an engineer at RCA, he, with his colleagues, developed U.S. military equipment that, for all I know, was ultimately operated by soldiers born in Dixie. Maybe Toby Keith would understand me if I were to tell him I have no reason to think my father was of character inferior to that of the self-pitying, implicitly self-glorifying redneck that Toby plays in the video. No, Toby, I don’t think my father was foul because he was a city boy.

           Anyway–here are the Wikipedia pictures of Raleigh and Charlotte …

         • Deep ingrained in The Southern Man, John, is the notion of ‘fair’.

           Honour, right and wrong, are very prominent in the mind of most Southern men.

           I cannot help but think that this influences our general perception of cities, because, to the Southern mind, nothing is fairer than work on the farm.

           You till, you plant, you fertilize and spray, you irrigate, you harvest, and then off to market you go.

           That’s how most Southern farmers live; and they do it, largely, by themselves.

           Nobody is exploited, nobody is cheated or conned. Nothing is indirect. No man is the farmer’s boss, but, Mother Nature, and The Lord, Jesus Chryst.

           The small Southern town, too – it’s still an uncomplicated and uncheating proposition.

           The city, however, is not. It is full of high rise glass and steel buildings; full of starcht shirts (who never starch their own shirts) who sit in cubicles, in front of computers, all day long oft trying to pump money out of others, or scheming money out of transactions that produce nothing really of value.

           One of Dr. Hill’s associates wrote about this, in great detail ; that the modern Yankee economy is built of parasitick behavior : that you by something, try to inflate it’s worth (without improving it’s value) and then dump it off on the first unsuspecting sucker who happens by – as opposed to the rural Southern economy, (the older economy) which is baset on actually making things of value, from honest sweat, and then selling it at a fair price.

           Concerning the Raleigh wiki snapshot – one of my dearest childhood friends and I had an argument, oh, ’bout 15 years back, when he was touting all the new skyscrapers in Raleigh, at which point I told him to go no further, as I found it depressing.

           Anyway, he still lives in Raleigh, and I just visited, for the first time, in 20 some years.

           I was very discomfitted by my childhood home – minorities and non-European immigrants everywhere you turn, too much traffick, impoliteness and coldness of a Northern city, and too many buildings. even the whites seem fake and unSouthern, at a glance – which is why I live in Murfreesboro and he lives in Raleigh.

         • Junius —

           At the risk of obliterating our nascent online friendship, I must tell you I find your argument unpersuasive to the point of incredibility, by which I mean I find it hard to think you yourself believe it. Every one of those farmers is buying the occasional bag of seed or fertilizer, I presume. Every once in a while, each one of them puts fuel in a tractor, I should guess. Hardly a one of them, I daresay, is indifferent to the weather reports the U.S. government produces with the aid of satellites, radio transmission, and countless other elements of high technology. Even if every one of those farmers does nothing more each season than buy a simple hand tool, he is benefiting from the countless hours of research, experiment, and manufacture that yielded the ink with which the tool’s label is printed.

           As a person who finds it difficult to keep a flowerbed in good form each summer, I don’t regard lightly the ability to make vast fields yield food crops or the raw materials of textiles and other manufactures, but I reject in its entirety your view that the activity of the farmers of whom you speak is somehow “fair” in a way that no other type of work is. To maintain such a view is what is parasitic, in that it involves an outright denial of the value of the countless other kinds of work from which, as I indicated above, the farmer himself benefits (not to mention the value of the clothing, medicines, entertainments, and other treasures he buys for himself and his loved ones with the profit he rightly pockets when he takes his crops to market).

           In your other reply, you presented the Southern biases, numbered 1 through 6 and beginning with “Working with Mother Nature is right.” Quite simply, my own view, which I’ve presented in the two paragraphs immediately above, is that those biases are not tenable. Yes, I think you’ve stated them accurately: those biases make up a great portion, if not the whole, of the Southern mentality you and I are discussing. Endure they might; serve you well they never will.

           Because it usually takes me so long to assemble even a brief comment that I post here, I have decided to post the present response and to abandon my effort to reply to every one of the many interesting comments you posted a few days ago in this our exchange. Anything I would post in response to your comments that I’ve not yet addressed would be of only minor importance, and so–as I hope you will not mind–I’ve decided to move on, as I say, to the present reply. More than once–many times more than once, over many decades–I have drowned myself, so to speak, by dwelling on one task while other tasks to be carried out were accumulating.

         • Dear John,
           I thank you for your reply. I put together that attempt to explain the prejudice you ascertained, in the Toby Keith song, as best I could, baset on a lifelong of listening to Southerners, born as early as the late 1870s, express their views.
           All in all, they could not possibly be agreeable to you, but, you wanted the information, and I tried to provide it. I appreciate that you find some of these biases ‘untenable’, but, they exist, exactly as I wrote them.
           There is, as well, a bit of duality with which every man must live, and, I confess, I have mine.
           Although, on the surface of my conscious thought, I am appreciative and, within myself, respectful of what paths people choose, at my deepest levels I am driven by my mama’s farmer Southron blood – which is why I refused to go to college, refused to take up a profession not driven directly from my own hands and thought – to it’s own end – AND, I cannot doubt, why I am a Secessionist, who flies the Confederate flag.
           These are all unusual things for a man who grew up in Raleigh, the vast majority of it’s native Southron inhabitants who look upon those attitudes and acts as utter anathema.
           I’m sorry for hurting your feelings. I had no wish to do so. God bless you.

         • Really, Junius, I was serious when I said you needn’t ever apologize for any delay in your replying to my comments here–or even for a failure to reply. Online exchanges like ours are very difficult, as we know, because they are taking place between persons who don’t really know each other’s schedules, duties, etc. Any reply of yours will be gladly received by me–if I’m alive to receive it–but you should never feel obliged to reply promptly, or at all, to anything I post. Our present exchange is on a difficult subject, as we both know, so there are bound to be some bruised feelings no matter how careful each of us is. Our curious friendship endures.

           Sometime in the next day or so, I will respond further, but I am posting the present reply simply so you’ll know I did receive your post and that you and I remain on good terms. It’s very interesting to me that commenter H.A. Fieldings entered this discussion; it’s good to know that our subject seems of importance to someone other than just the two of us ourselves.

         • Dear John, ’tis so very kind of you to write this. I thank you. Yes, most of our subjects are ‘difficult’, though, that is what renders them interesting.
           I’m not surprised that we have become correspondents.
           We have a lot in common. Just because I am a North Carolinian, and you a Pennsylvanian, in and of itself, is hardly the whole ball of wax.

           As to folks taking an interest ; you would be surprised at how many glance through these kinds of exchanges.

           God bless. We’ll talk soon.

         • When I say the values you’ve identified are “not tenable,” Junius, I mean they will not allow the Southern people to prevail–maybe not even to survive, as anything other than a remnant.

           If we date plantation Dixie from 1670, when the first English settlers arrived in what is now Charleston, South Carolina, then that society lasted just under two hundred years–to Appomattox, 1865. Already, it’s been gone a century-and-a-half. Infants alive today will not even have reached their
           decrepitude before it will have been gone longer than it existed.

           Consider the Vandals, whose history was surveyed in a documentary that was recently linked here, at Occidental Dissent, by Mr. W., our host. As formidable as they must have seemed when they reached Roman Africa, their tenure there was little more than one brief dynasty: father, son, grandson. Gone in a century they were, from about A.D. 435-535. Had it not been for the culture, the literacy, of peoples other than them, they wouldn’t be remembered at all.

           Over the past few days, after the above paragraphs formed in my mind, I hesitated, as I wondered whether I had more to say–but I really don’t. While I was waiting, some other subjects, including the Confederate flag, were discussed here, and I profited from observing and participating in the
           discussions thereof. No matter how much I reflected on all of those subjects, however, I could not arrive at an understanding other than the one I’ve just stated, above: If we put aside all sentimentality, the Southern values you listed, 1 through 5, above, are suicidal.

           It was striking how quick you were to echo Hammond’s cynicism about England, as you explained why England didn’t come in on the South’s side in the war. Southerners always have an answer. They always know how and why all other peoples are venal, corrupt–“unholy.” That’s what it comes down to: Southerners ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING–and yet, it’s the Yankees who have MIT, the Caifornians who have Silicon Valley, the Japanese who command the world’s respect with the aesthetic power they exercise in their every act of industrial creation. On, no–Southerners don’t want to have anything to do with such things. Southerners don’t want to be “cogs in industrial machines.” They don’t want to work indoors or waste time “analyzing” things, like microchip architecture, down to the level of molecules. Such things are for contemptible figures, like, as I say, Yankees, Californians, the Japanese–or the industrial titans who enabled Victorian England to change the world, after, of course, Southerners–good Vandal-like barbarians that they were, “from the age of Alfred”–had had the good sense to leave England, for the New World.

           Are there things about modern Charlotte and Raleigh that would bother me every bit as much as they bother you? I’m sure there are; that’s probably why I tend to hang out here, at Occidental Dissent. Do I share your view that the Beatles
           in some way obliterated England? Yes, I do–even as I still listen to their music. All of those horrors are rolling over you because you—the Southern people—have not cultivated the strength to prevail against them. Either you play the game—by which I mean you adjust your values—or you perish. Were any of the Vandals still around to speak, they would tell you existence gives you no other choices …

         • ‘ …When I say the values you’ve identified are “not tenable,” Junius, I
           mean they will not allow the Southern people to prevail–maybe not even
           to survive, as anything other than a remnant..’.

           Thank you, John, for the clarification. You might be right, though, it is not my point of view.

           The South is, economically, doing well – on the whole, far better than the North, and that has been so very at least several decades.

           That comes largely from our ideas of governance, (no unions – small central government less regulations etc, etc)and the spirit of our workers – industrious, reliable, polite, with can-do attitudes.

           Yet, even if that were not the case, I disagree with the premise that an agricultural society could not thrive today. Agriculture is a product, and products, especially one category so essential, can be marketed in such a way as to produce affluence.

           Certainly we have a lot of high tech stuff, going on down here, and yet ; we remain a rural minded people.

           I’ll tell you where we have gotten our butts kickt : in losing our sense of superiority, our cocksuredness, and our ruggedness. Yet this is no accident, but, part of a very long campaign, conducted by the Yankee government – and it’s myriad proxies, the corporations, the media, and the academick establishments most notable.

           I have seen this change, with my own eyes, in my lifetime.

           The attitudes that made us strong, have been chippt away at, one peck at a time, until, as my wife is fond to say, ‘the noose has got so tight, we are strangling’.

           We have lost our way – chiefly because we have allowed our world view to become denigrated, and for this we have ourselves to blame.

           We bought into ‘America’, and it has, while appearing to welcome and nurture us, has preyed on us, and usurpt us.

           ‘ … If we date
           plantation Dixie from 1670, when the first English settlers arrived in
           what is now Charleston, South Carolina, then that society lasted just
           under two hundred years–to Appomattox, 1865. Already, it’s been gone a
           century-and-a-half. Infants alive today will not even have reached their
           decrepitude before it will have been gone longer than it existed.

           Consider the Vandals, whose history was surveyed in a documentary that was recently linked here, at Occidental Dissent, by Mr. W., our host. As
           formidable as they must have seemed when they reached Roman Africa,
           their tenure there was little more than one brief dynasty: father, son,
           grandson. Gone in a century they were, from about A.D. 435-535. Had it
           not been for the culture, the literacy, of peoples other than them, they
           wouldn’t be remembered at all…’

           Well, I get your drift, but, it is a northern drift. I don’t think ‘being remembered’ is tatamount to being virile. Further, I don’t think that intellectual virility, in and of itself, ensures the survival of a people.

           We have been betrayed, by the very people who claim to be our partners and who claim to care for us.

           No point crying or feeling sorry for ourselves, BUT, we’ve got to call a spade a spade, and move on from there.

           ‘Over the past few days, after the above paragraphs formed in my mind, I hesitated, as I wondered whether I had more to say–but I really don’t. While I was waiting, some other subjects, including the Confederate flag, were discussed here, and I profited from observing and participating in the
           discussions thereof. No matter how much I reflected on all of those subjects, however, I could not arrive at an understanding other than the one I’ve just stated, above: If we put aside all sentimentality, the Southern values you listed, 1 through 5, above, are suicidal.’

           ‘John, if rural southern values are ‘suicidal’, then what would you call the Northern values that have led to the debacle of the whole country, today?

           The debt, the borders, the endless foreign wars, the race problems, the degeneracy, the self-absorption, the perversions and gender confusions, the marital crisis,and on and on, ad nauseum – not to mention that 52% of the country CANNOT get by without a psychotropick prescription pill in their mouth, each day. Then add up the prescription pain pill addictions, and rampant dope-smoking

           We are, in large part thanks to our willingness to be sheeple and continue on, being a principal subject in y’all’s incessant social experiments, become UNGODLY; AND The Good Lord is letting us pay the price.

           No, what I regard as ‘suicidal’, in your view of us, is just a highly urbane a Northern man’s discomfiture in trying to comprehend or find a place, in our values.

           It may be more of a projection, than a perception,

           You’re foreign to it – just like we are foreign to your thinking. I get that, I really do. I hope you do.

           ‘ … It was striking how quick you were to echo Hammond’s cynicism about England, as you explained why England didn’t come in on the South’s side in the war. Southerners always have an answer. They always know how and why all other peoples are venal, corrupt–“unholy.” …’

           Well, I, as well as our host here, have leveled plenty of harsh criticism of our own kind. I hope you ain’t misst that.

           That said, I do readily understand Hammond’s cynicism’. It’s directly along the lines of how my Anglo-Saxe Freewill Baptist grandparents would think of it, though, they would not voice it quite so vociferously – unless you weren’t around.

           ‘ … That’s what it comes down
           to: Southerners ALWAYS KNOW EVERYTHING–…’

           No, Sir ; you are mistaking my ole-timey Confederate arrogance for today’s South.

           A large majority of my fellow Southerns have long been in a crisis of self doubt – put there by you know who.

           It’s damn sad to see it, which is why, when I meet new modern Confederates, every day, I am proud to see the stalwart refusal to give in to this diabolically alien manufactured crisis of self-esteem.

           ‘… and yet, it’s the Yankees who have MIT, the Californians who have Silicon Valley, the Japanese who command the world’s respect with the aesthetic power they exercise in their every act of industrial creation…’

           Well, there you go again : judging The South along the Northern man’s criteria.

           That’s your right, John, but, it probably does not comes across any better than the attitudes I have, hithertofore, described to you; the state of mind still held by many traditional Southrons.

           ‘ … On, no–Southerners don’t want
           to have anything to do with such things. Southerners don’t want to be
           “cogs in industrial machines.” They don’t want to work indoors or waste
           time “analyzing” things, like microchip architecture, down to the level
           of molecules. Such things are for contemptible figures, like, as I say,
           Yankees, Californians, the Japanese–or the industrial titans who
           enabled Victorian England to change the world, after, of course,
           Southerners–good Vandal-like barbarians that they were, “from the age
           of Alfred”–had had the good sense to leave England, for the New World…’

           Yes, John ,I think the departure from England was, an anti-progress revolution against the Enlightenment, as a whole, and a retreat, if you will – as a confirmation and a desire to live in sublime mystery – with clear lines

           ‘…Are there things about modern Charlotte and Raleigh that would bother me every bit as much as they bother you? I’m sure there are; that’s
           probably why I tend to hang out here, at Occidental Dissent. Do I share
           your view that the Beatles in some way obliterated England? Yes, I
           do–even as I still listen to their music. All of those horrors are
           rolling over you because you—the Southern people—have not cultivated the strength to prevail against them. Either you play the game—by which I
           mean you adjust your values—or you perish. Were any of the Vandals
           still around to speak, they would tell you existence gives you no other
           choices …’

           All in all, John, you’ve made the case for why ‘The Union’ is such a bad idea – because we cannot be in a marriage, together, without one side trying to knock the other’s head into line!

           Secession is the only longterm way to fix many more problems than it would produce – especially for us.

           God bless you for such an interesting reply. It would sound like another planet to me, except I have heard it so many times, I have just grown accustomed to it.

           It’s not southern, however, nor is it how I feel. I see many signs of an awakening, in North Carolina – from our legislative bills, to churches finally deciding to get rid of the Yankee flag, flying out front.

           It’s time for us to run ourselves – and wish y’all the best, establishing a socialist Swedish government for y’all’s lands.

           That way, we’ll both be a lot happier; yet, of course,. there will be problems – there always are.

         • Well, Junius, when liberals will have succeeded in turning the North into a socialist Swedish government, I hope the South will grant me political asylum. Maybe I’ll be able to trade places with Mr. W., our web-host here at Occidental Dissent. A few months ago, you may recall, when Donald Trump was overturning the country’s politics, Mr. W. spoke negatively of the GOP’s longstanding opposition to “popular social programs like Social Security and Medicare” (his wording as I recall it). He’ll want to move North promptly, I imagine.

           When you were young and doing youngster things like chasing girls (as you have reported here, at Occidental Dissent), I was taking the teachings of the New Testament very seriously. I took very seriously the notion that “knowledge of the things of this world is vain,” and so I studied no history, no science, no art, no mathematics–nothing at all. All of those things seemed to me worthless, until one day, after knocking heads, for years, with friends and acquaintances who saw the world more clearly, I realized I had neither cultivated nor even identified the talents I might possess, and I began the long process of recognizing I would never prosper. In light of that, maybe, you will understand my aversion to any preaching at all of anti-intellectualism.

           You tell me the South is faring better, economically, than the North, as maybe it is; but if the contrary were true, you would be telling me, in the fullness of your stiff-necked Southern-ness, that money isn’t everything. Moreover, it was you who, here, at this very website, recently called for a boycott of some company–Facebook, maybe–because it was somehow threatening North Carolina over the transgender bathroom law. A locale that is dependent on “foreign investment,” meaning, in this case, an employer headquartered elsewhere, is weak. Boycott is a tool of the weak.

           “Well, I, as well as our host here, have leveled plenty of harsh criticism of our own kind. I hope you ain’t misst that.”

           I’m afraid I have.

           “[I]f rural southern values are ‘suicidal’, then what would you call the Northern values that have led to the debacle of the whole country, today?”

           I would call them suicidal, too. If I found them congenial, I wouldn’t be haunting a website like this one.

           “Well, there you go again : judging The South along the Northern man’s criteria.”

           Decades ago, as I said above, I gave virtually no attention to “knowledge of the things of this world.” The splendor of, say, Tokyo was entirely lost on me, so maybe you will forgive me if I am making up for lost time. As far as my personal tastes are concerned, well, you know me well enough to guess I would still probably be more comfortable at a lunch counter in the smalltown South than I would be in, say, a Greenwich Village eatery. The image below is of McLemoresville, a West Tennessee town of which I recently became aware, while I was doing some reading about Mark Twain. The actor Hal Holbrook, who was famous for his one-man show “Mark Twain Tonight,” married actress Dixie Carter, who grew up there and whose childhood home became the couple’s home away from Beverly Hills. Actually, the town looks pretty much like a small town in Pennsylvania or New Jersey; if I were passing through it and stopped for lunch there, I’d enjoy myself, I think. Maybe something in my manner or my way of speaking would give me away as a non-local, but I doubt I’d be thought an embodiment of urban corruption.

           “I don’t think ‘being remembered’ is tatamount to being virile.”

           Since I now take “the things of this world” seriously, I think being remembered is pretty important, but my point was that the Vandals had not even survived. Along with all the farmland they once coveted there, they are gone from North Africa. Yes, had it not been for other peoples–who took and take knowledge seriously–we would know neither they nor once-rich fields of crops had ever been in that place; but that fact, I was saying, merely doubles the proof of their lack of wisdom. Their having disappeared is proof enough.

           “Further, I don’t think that intellectual virility, in and of itself, ensures the survival of a people.”

           I do.

         • Dear John,
           I’m sure we would grant you ‘political asylum’ down here. I’d recommend you buy a house a few blocks from me, BUT, I rather doubt you would be comfortable living amongst the traditionalists – althgough would be fascinated, but, in our big cities you would be just fine. Raleigh would suit your temperment just fine, and there are a lot of areas of it where there would be only your kind.
           John, I, like you, am an extremely intellectual sort. I was reading Dostoevsky when I was an adolescent, and playing chess like a madman.
           My comment about ‘ intellectual virility’ was about the supposition that a society had to be oriented that way. Our isn’t, and, I feel, is perfectly fine being that-a-way.
           S this is what happened to you?!? : spent your young years reading verse instead of chasing skirts. Well, now I understand. You know, I think I like St. Augustine, here, when he said something like this, in his ‘Confessions’ … ‘Dear Lord please make me holy, but just take your time about it’:)))
           Yes, I understand that you have the Northern view – secular humanitarian and intellectually focuset. It’s y’all’s way, but, it will never be the way of more than the minority down here.
           Those who settled here were in a revolt against ‘Enlightenment’ leaning things.
           Really, the core of all my beliefs towards other being is simply this : do your thing, but don’t force me to do it with you. The South has got to get out from the Yankee government thumb, for, trying to live under it, would be like you trying to live under my way of thinking. It’s just not going to work, and is very very unhealthy.
           I liket your mentioning of the Tennessee town, and your conjecturing of it. Yes, it looks like Pennsylvania, and yes : you would enjoy visiting, but, no – you would never ever feel at home there. Why? Because it’s filled full of Southerners, and that is not who you are. You are an urbane Pennsylvania Yankee.
           And speaking of that specie, one of my neighbours is a retired Pennsylvania Yankee, by the name of John. He keeps a fine home, and, when he is not suffering from gout, is rather convivial. He made a mistake moving here, because this country feels so foreign to him. Yet, he was utterly shockt when, after having confesst some of his social problems to me, I told him exactly that. His reply, half aghast? : But, Junius, we are all one country. The Civil War settled all that’. I said, ‘ No Sir, it did not, and we are not, but, you can keep thinking it, if you want…’

           God bless you, John, and have a wonderful day.

         • It is strange how things turn out, Junius. Had I known you around the time that we were fourteen years old, I probably would have thought of you as the one who was “secular humanitarian and intellectually focuset”–reading Dostoyevsky, playing chess. By age fourteen, I’d read little other than comic books, and I read very little at all for about twenty years thereafter.

           Over the past few days, I’ve done some reading about a handful of subjects, including the history of Tennessee. That subject, as maybe you noticed, arose in the course of an exchange between James Owen and me, at another Occidental Dissent thread. Probably, some of what struck me as I read that history will appear in some comment or another that I’ll eventually post in some thread, here at Occidental Dissent, but maybe you won’t be surprised that the present exchange between you and me colored my reaction to that history and helped prompt it.

           Undoubtedly, you know about the “Overmountain Men,” who fought against the British in America’s War of Independence. They were from the Appalachians’ far side, in what is now northeastern Tennessee but must at that time have been thought of as part of North Carolina’s back country. Because you and I had been having the present exchange, what struck me most forcefully as I read about them was that they were Englishmen–like their fellow colonists of the North.

           I’m pleased to have your assurance that the South will receive me should the North go completely to political ruin. For the moment, as I continue to think about the North-South divide and how it might be ended, I’ll present, below, images that, for the purpose of this exchange of ours, I’ve placed side by side. They are of the Minuteman and the Overmountain Man, who fought with a common purpose. God bless you, too, Junius. If you and I both stay healthy, we’ll probably exchange remarks on these subjects in threads yet to come here, at Occidental Dissent.

           Former fellows …

         • Dear John,
           Thank you for your blessings and your well-wishes. Yes, at 14, I was solely a secular humanitarian. That was how I was raised, and, though I had begun to ask my own questions, I had only yet received a few satisfactory answers, those namely being on my professional choice and my general determination how to interact with others. Life is a long story, for most; and though I have known some folks who ossify at age 17, and remain, thus, until 73, most of us are very different old fogies, than we were teens. I like getting old, though, some of it has been alarming, such as the devolution of the country, and the need to take up the notion of Southern Nationalism and secession. Yet, many other things have been pleasant surprises – such as the joy I take in my wife, The Holy Ghost in my heart, and the livability of my head, in general – particular when I compare it to my teens, or the proclaimed agony of more than a few of my intimates.
           I don’t have much to say about ‘The Overmountain Men, but this : they lived in a time when nobody had much materially, and everyone pretty much had to do for themselves, a great deal every day. Hence, they were well accustomed to being called on by a wide array of processes and feeling licenset to take those on. Moreover, their feeling of honour, theirs in particular, were very valuable to them – unlike folks of today, who are neither accustomed to a general license of endeavour, but, a very specialized one, and, as well, usually prefer their sense of physical comfort, to their spiritual senses of themselves, such as their honour.
           My mama’s entire family were these sorts of folks, spread throughout Southern Appalachia, and even they, 6 generations removed from the Overmountain men, were markedly different from the kind of human model that is producet today.
           What do you think about the resistance of the Southern states to the new bathroom mandates – both directly and it’s implications?

         • Probably, the best way I can answer your question about the bathroom mandates, Junius, is to recommend you watch the YouTube video I’ve linked below. It’s the title sequence to “The Monkey’s Uncle,” a 1965 Disney movie that starred Annette Funicello and Tommy Kirk. As you’ll see, the Beach Boys are joining Annette in singing the movie’s title song, a Sherman Brothers composition that I, as an elementary-school student, found quite catchy, half a century ago.

           Whether the Beach Boys actually played any instruments on the recording, I don’t know; but what strikes me every time I see them lip-syncing away there, with the fetching Annette, is the presence of Dennis Wilson, behind the drum kit. In late spring 1968, less than three full years after the release of “The Monkey’s Uncle,” Mr. Wilson would come to know Charles Manson, of whom he would become–not entirely willingly, maybe–a sort of companion. In August 1969, four years to the month after the movie’s release, members of Manson’s commune would murder actress Sharon Tate and others at what had been the residence of record producer Terry Melcher, whom Manson met through Wilson.

           That’s how fast it happened, Junius. That’s how sudden was the change you and I have discussed; the change with which America is still struggling; the change to which, as you and I have noted, the Trump candidacy is a sort of long-delayed reaction. There, in 1965, Annette is singing her head off chastely about “the day he marries me.” Four years later, young American women born just five, six, and seven years after her are taking a couple of nights off from the Manson Family’s group-sex sessions to participate in the murders that will make the Family notorious.

           Allow me to turn our attention to Lewis Grizzard, the Southern comedian whom you and I have discussed. As I was thinking about what you asked me, about the bathroom mandates, I encountered a reference to him in a 2010 book called “Memphis Boys: The Story of American Studios.” American Sound Studio, as maybe you know, was a Memphis recording studio that produced more than a hundred hit songs during its brief existence, from 1967 to 1972. Dusty Springfield’s album “Dusty in Memphis” was among the celebrated works produced there.

           What had brought me to that book, via Google, was the song “Shades of Gray,” which had come into my mind while I was thinking about your question, about the bathroom mandates. Maybe you remember the Monkees’ recording of that song, which was written by Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil. That recording was released in 1967, midway between “The Monkey’s Uncle” and the Manson murders.

           The book’s reference to Lewis Grizzard comes on its page 147, in a passage about a 1968 album by an Alabama-born singer–female–named Sandy Posey. The album included “Shades of Gray,” which, as the book’s author observes, was about “remembering a time when ‘the answers seemed so clear.'” The song, the author continues, “catches a moment in time between two assassinations, a moment both of innocence and chaos, when it seemed the country would either heal itself of its divisions or completely tear itself apart.”

           The said passage, which mentions Chips Moman, the founder of American Sound Studio, is as follows:

           “Chips liked that song,” Sandy remarked, and it is easy to see why. It would have been a baffling era for a Georgia farm boy. (Lewis Grizzard, another farm boy from Chips’s home turf, famously said that he never understood anything that happened in the world after 1962) ….”

           That, Junius, is my roundabout way of saying, “Don’t ask me–please: don’t ask me.” My having been born in Philadelphia notwithstanding, I, too, am apparently a Georgia farm boy, baffled, in the manner of Chips Moman and Lewis Grizzard, about the sexual revolution–half a century on. When subjects like these bathroom mandates dominate the news, I very often find myself tuning out, because I haven’t the slightest idea how to begin forming an opinion about them. When you ask me about the “implications” of the mandates, I guess you’re thinking about the relationship between the Federal government and the state governments. With respect to that, I’ll say only that I think whites should focus on preserving their race. If they will do that, then political arrangements that they’ll find satisfactory will eventually emerge, I think.

           That, as I say, is the best answer I can give you. If you’d like to read the passage that mentions Lewis Grizzard, it’s at https://books.google.com/books?id=t6fXPucJupIC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=%22Lewis+Grizzard,+another+farm+boy+from+Chips's+home+turf%22&source=bl&ots=KruH5hxOr9&sig=UbZU_RxfNglyhCKjnBasDA2o8Jw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU2vep1IjNAhVLFj4KHSyxAcQQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=%22Lewis%20Grizzard%2C%20another%20farm%20boy%20from%20Chips's%20home%20turf%22&f=false In the meantime, here’s Annette, with the gentlemen from California …

         • Let me say this, too John : I know a lot of extremely intelligent people who suffer from all kinds of unhappiness and must medicate themselves every day.

           Intelligence is a sublime gift from The Lord, but, it has limits. In fact, it often acts more as a hindrance to folks, than otherwise.

           Now, 50% of Tarheels are devout evangelical Christians, which of course, has certain degree of folly to it, because every human endeavour has that..

           Still if you will, it’s why this state is such a great place – because, the very fact that, front and center, is The Precious Lord, Jesus Chryst, has a very big influence on the tenour of and entire state.

           It makes us smile, both inside and out, it makes us truly friendly, and it makes us understanding and fair-minded.

           And speaking of ‘fair-minded’, this matter of how you deal with others is a matter of honour for most of us, which leads me to my final point :

           I BELIEVE THAT HONOUR AND MORALITY ARE THE ESSENTIAL VITALITIES TO THE WELL-BEING OF A CULTURE.

           And Oure Lord & Saviour is right, smack dab, in the center of that.

           Now, y’all have pretty much turned away from him. This I have seen with my own eyes, and the price of that will be y’all’s undoing – for The Lord does not brook rejection.

           So, go on being intelligent, up there – but, without The Power of The Blood, it will be a pyrrhick victory.

           Mark my words, Sir – it will be pyrrhick – pyrrhick as all get-out…

         • Also, John, I am sorry for not having checkt into this box, in recent days. I have been very very occupied.

         • I agree with Mr. Bonaccorsi’s criticism of NikolaiLeskov’s (Junius’s) writings.
           NikolaiLeskov’s writings are nothing but simple idealist views. Obviously NikolaiLeskov does not abide by his own written ideals… in reality. He only abides by them when pondering them in his mind, and writing them here.

           Example: NikolaiLeskov criticizes the “starcht shirts who sit in cubicles, in front of computers”, but these are some of the people that make things such as blogs, websites and online discussions possible; that he himself loves to use…

         • Mr. Fieldings, thank you for your reply. I appreciate your observations.

           Have a good evening!

         • Now, as to your sharp-edged analogy about your daddy, it’s a good and penetrating thought.

           Still, it does not change our biases, that …

           #1. Working with Mother Nature is right

           #2. Working not as a cog in the industrial machine is better.

           #3. Being outside is more holy than being in.

           #4. Manual labour is more manly and Godly than what is not.

           #5. What is old will always be better than what is new.

           Of course, there are sometimes gaps between our perceptual biases and our realities, BUT, still, these are the feelings we have.

           God bless you. Have a good night!

         • How do you earn your living then?
           (If you allow me to speculate: I’d say you either inherited a fortune or married into riches.)

           I’m just trying to put your very bold statements into context, and hope you can be honest enough, to allow a peak behind — what I believe to be — projections that you like to send forth so vehemently…

         • Dear Warspite – please go talk with someone else.

         • My sincere apologies Mr. Leskov.

           It’s just that you’ll surely agree that mind-projections are one thing, and reality might be another entirely.
           I trying to surmise whether your statements stem from a yearning (enabled by certain comforts) or from reality (by which you live yourself).
           Do try and understand the difference; and why this might be relevant to interested (but critically inclined) readers.

           Oh and do ponder this: Are you joining the amish community any time soon, Mr Leskov?
           I do hope you understand the relevance of the sentence, dear lover of Mother Nature, manual labour and old ways.

         • Southern culture is anti-intellectual.

           we have mystery – we don’t need the cognitive-analytical intellect, except where farm-tools are concerned, and in removing those tantalizing daisy-mays from our Southern sisters.

         • CONTINUED:

           2 — From the 1858 speech of South Carolina Democrat Senator James Henry Hammond:

           “… [W]ould any sane nation make war on cotton? Without firing a gun, without drawing a sword, should they make war on us we could bring the whole world to our feet. The South is perfectly competent to go on, one, two, or three years without planting a seed of cotton. … What would happen if no cotton was furnished for three years? I will not stop to depict what every one can imagine, but this is certain: England would topple headlong and carry the whole civilized world with her, save the South. No, you dare not make war on cotton. No power on earth dares to make war upon it. Cotton is king.”

           Do you detect, in that, any respect or affection for England? Not only do I myself detect neither of those; I don’t detect even the slightest interest in England, any interest, that is, in the century-plus of English invention that had created the very cotton demand that Hammond seems to think the South can hold over the head of the whole world. Rarely do I quote a Communist favorably, but compare the below passage, from the introduction of “The Condition of the Working Class in England,” 1845, by Friedrich Engels. Having reviewed English economic history of the threescore years that had preceded the composition of his text, Engels says the following:

           “Such, in brief, is the history of English industrial development in the past sixty years, a history which has no counterpart in the annals of humanity. Sixty, eighty years ago, England was a country like every other, with small towns, few and simple industries, and a thin but proportionally large agricultural population. Today it is a country like no other … ”

           And what of the Royal Navy, which I mentioned in my preceding post, “Item 1,” as an element of the colonial South? Does Hammond demonstrate any regard for the decades of effort that that incomparable force devoted to the eradication of the slave trade? No–the only thing England cares about, as far as he can tell, is what Louis Wigfall said Southerners themselves care about: MONEY. In Hammond’s view, evidently, slaveholding, cotton-growing Dixie has hapless industrial England by the short hairs. One knows how accurate his cynical vision proved, when war came. No–England did not come in against the South; but except for some money-grubbing Liverpool shipwrights, who constructed a Southern fleet on the sly, neither did England come in on Dixie’s side.

           I’ll mention, by the way, that Hammond–he who first spoke of cotton as king–was involved in a scandal that involved, as I gather, his having taken sexual liberties with nieces of his. One can only imagine how Southerners would have characterized an abolitionist who’d been involved in such a thing.

           END OF ITEM 2

         • Concerning Hammond – he was a plantation prince, and, being so, they regularly used their best negro wenches in a manner somewhat equivalent to how many use internet porn, today.

           John, I don’t imagine that the Princes of Manhatten refrained from dallying with their maidenly maids, much more than our Southern princes kept their fingers of their coffee wenches.

           Nevertheless, I have no cinematographick evidence for my assertion.

           As to abolitionists, though a minority, they are a peculiar rebirth of the meddling mindset of 17th century Yankee Puritan, in the Victorian era, and a defining characteristick of Yankee culture, which, even today, is trying to run us under.

           It is this part of Yankee culture which scares me most, John – even worse than many here, are spookt by the presence of ‘The Tribe’ in this country – North or South.

         • “… [W]ould any sane nation make war on cotton? Without firing a gun, without drawing a sword, should they make war on us we could bring the whole world to our feet. The South is perfectly competent to go on, one, two, or three years without planting a seed of cotton. … What would happen if no cotton was furnished for three years? I will not stop to depict what every one can imagine, but this is certain: England would topple headlong and carry the whole civilized world with her, save the South. No, you dare not make war on cotton. No power on earth dares
           to make war upon it. Cotton is king.

           “Do you detect, in that, Junius, any respect or affection for England?

           Good point, John. in fact, it is a brilliant point; and, precisely for this fact of a paucity of seeming affection, it is evidence of being most British of all.

           You see, it is the most ancient of ‘British’ attitudes which one still finds disseminated in certain rural enclaves, there – this attitude of not giving a damn for what goes on on the continent, or London, even – yes, particularly London, which plenty of the Danelaw descended Yorkists still carry on a grudge for having been constrained to join that institution.

           In Britain, or so it would seem, The Yankees are southerly, and the Confederates northerly:)

           The ancient British attitude is markt by a xenocentrick parochial view that is utterly disdaining of everything otherwise.

           Here, it surfaces, in unconscious abundance, in Hammond’s articulated view.

         • ‘In Hammond’s view, evidently, slaveholding, cotton-growing Dixie has hapless industrial England by the short hairs.

           He was not far off the mark, though, he underestimated the British empire’s capacity to outsource anything – such as cotton production to India.

           One thing, though I am unsure if it is worthy of praise, that Northern culture has directly from England, and that is the capacity to coin a cheat, ‘free trade’.

         • ‘No–England did not come in against the South; but except for some
           money-grubbing Liverpool shipwrights, who constructed a Southern fleet
           on the sly, neither did England come in on Dixie’s side.’

           Though Lord Palmerston was the PM, during those fateful years, the crown’s policies were already being largely influencet, if not dictated, by Rothschild, and that bloke does not like to come into things that he cannot take over – if not outright, then in a creeping manner.

           Judah Benjamin, (Confederate Minister of War and our envoy to Britain) as savvy as he was, was clearly too savvy to offer Rothschild that opportunity, and, thus, ‘Great Britain’ spent the war on the sidelines – content to exploit whatever resulted.

         • CONTINUED:

           3 — Not long ago, when he was reviewing the economic history of specific Southern states, Mr. W., our host, mentioned that Alabamans, in the Nineteenth Century, had ignored Charles Lyell’s report that Alabama’s true wealth lay in its mineral resources. In our present day, when there are countless geologists, employed by oil companies, mining companies, and so on, we need pause to consider just what it meant that Lyell was the foremost English geologist of his day. Lyell it was who communicated to the common people what every schoolchild now takes for granted, namely, that the natural forces that shape the Earth have been shaping it all along. In an age when the Biblical creation account still held sway over the minds of ordinary Europeans, that was tremendous knowledge to impart.

           From what little I know of Lyell, I gather that his own religious background complicated his assessment of Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection. Lyell’s visits to the U.S. took place long before Darwin startled the world, but were there Southerners of English descent with whom Lyell might have discussed other scientific subjects while he was in the U.S.? There seem to have been very few, if any, of them:

           “While at Richmond [Virginia], we saw some agreeable and refined society in the families of the judges of the Supreme Court and other lawyers; but there is little here of that activity of mind and feeling for literature and science which strikes one in the best circles in New England.”

           That’s from page 206 of Volume 1 of Lyell’s “A Second Visit to the United States of North America,” Harper & Brothers, New York, 1849.

           Consider that, Junius: An Englishman comes to the South and, among the descendants of Englishmen, can find nobody with whom to converse about the subjects whose study was putting English science in the first rank of European achievement. Where are you, Englishman? By what strange power has Dixie worked you over?

           END OF ITEM 3

         • ‘Consider that, Junius: An Englishman comes to the South and, among the
           descendants of Englishmen, can find nobody with whom to converse about
           the subjects whose study was putting English science in the first rank
           of European achievement. Where are you, Englishman? By what strange
           power has Dixie worked you over?’

           We are the Englishmen forgotten by time – so Ænglisc, in fact, that even the English, who have purposefully buried themselves (See a new Islamick mayor of Londonstan who supports Gay marriage) cannot fathom the incarnation.

           Evidence that a psychick gestalt can be lost, by restlessness, or, perhaps, for a desire to overwhelm all limitation.

           John, The New British, over the last century and a half, are markt by rabid impatience, and their reward is The Lords’s vengeance at having had his sublime gift of identity scorned – that they little guess who they are – only an manick inkling of whom they might like to be.

         • ‘Lyell it was who communicated to the common people what every schoolchild now takes for granted, namely, that the natural forces that shape the Earth have been shaping it all along. In an age when the
           Biblical creation account still held sway over the minds of ordinary Europeans, that was tremendous knowledge to impart.’

           Yes, John,but people of certain intellects, even in The Mysterious South, have always translated, ‘God made the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th’…

           as meaning that, during that specified time, he set forth the governing principles which would render his creation a dynamick creation unfolding – NOT STATICK…

         • ‘From what little I know of Lyell, I gather that his own religious background complicated his assessment of Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection.’

           Many feel that Darwin’s theories must be placet in the antithesi of bibilical creationalism.

           I do not share that sentiment, and, I am quite certain, I have company, and had company, in that.

         • ‘Consider that, Junius: An Englishman comes to the South and, among the descendants of Englishmen, can find nobody with whom to converse about the subjects whose study was putting English science in the first rank of European achievement. Where are you, Englishman? By what strange power has Dixie worked you over?’

           Let me say this, again, John – a dandified urbane Victorian Englishman, probably most apt as a supporting character in a Woody Allen film, comes here and meets the transmigrated souls of Alfred’s England and is dismayed?

           I am not surprised, for reasons already stated.

         • CONTINUED:

           4 — Speaking of Darwin: Where in the U.S. did he most famously come a cropper? In Tennessee, in the Scopes trial, of the 1920s. Yes, it was pro-science Tennesseans themselves who set up the trial, as a test case; but that simply reveals that all of these questions, about so-called ethnic traits, involve generalizations. Though his name doesn’t come to my mind, there is at least one historian–whose career was in Philadelphia, I think–who wrote that the South lost the Civil War partly because the South itself was conflicted, as the psychologists say, about secession. Yes, the South wanted to be out of the Union–but it also wanted to stay in it. I suspect that that same internal conflict is still at work.

           5 — Speaking of prominent English figures: Where in the U.S. did the Beatles come a cropper? In the South–in Alabama, at first–after the U.S. publication of John Lennon’s remark that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. Months earlier, that remarked had been published in England and had caused no fuss. Again: this is a generalization. There were and are countless Southern Beatle fans, including Tom Petty, who was not only inspired by the Beatles but eventually recorded with one of them (George Harrison, with whom Petty was a member of the Traveling Wilburys). I’m simply pointing out that it was in the South that the Beatles–in all their glorious Englishness (well tuned, I gather, by the Jewish Brian Epstein and London connections of his)–suffered their only conspicuous rejection in the English-speaking world.

           END OF ITEMS 4 AND 5

         • ‘Yes, the South wanted to be out of the Union–but it also wanted to stay
           in it. I suspect that that same internal conflict is still at work.’

           This is true, John – particularly in the eastern tidewater of my state, running up to southern Maryland.

           This is not polite to say, John, but, I firmly believe that about 40% of my state’s population, ought be treated to a Victorian Tarheel tradition – that of being escorted by white-robed equestrians, in the middle of the night, to the Virginia border, with admonitions not to return, lest they wish to see the business side of a long flaxen twine, from the underside of an Oak tree.

         • ‘There were and are countless Southern Beatle fans, including Tom Petty,
           who was not only inspired by the Beatles but eventually recorded with
           one of them (George Harrison, with whom Petty was a member of the
           Traveling Wilburys). I’m simply pointing out that it was in the South
           that the Beatles–in all their glorious Englishness (well tuned, I
           gather, by the Jewish Brian Epstein and London connections of
           his)–suffered their only conspicuous rejection in the English-speaking
           world.’

           John, they had to be rejected, because their fundamental premise (the Beatles) was anti-British, and my countrymen were quick on the uptake!

           I won’t elaborate, because we return to much covered ground.

           God bless you, again, John. ‘Tis a privilege to receive your fine correspondence.

         • CONTINUED:

           Well, that’s my brief, Junius, consisting of the above Items 1 through 5. I could add that, to my knowledge, the persons who were most interested in the 1953 coronation of England’s Queen Elizabeth II were the family of Paul McCartney (who once mentioned his family’s getting a TV for the coronation) and my Sicilian grandmother (whose interest in it, while I was in utero, was mentioned to me years after the fact, by my mother). Yes–my immigrant grandmother, whose ability to speak English was very limited to the day she died, had apparently been turned into something of an Englishwoman, here on the Northern ground of Philadelphia.

           In closing, I’ll say I think you’re right that my status as “a former Englishman” would render me comfortable in your part of the country, even though I myself am arguing that Southerners long ago abandoned important parts of their Englishness. I’ll add that you yourself, in Philadelphia, would be seen to your car at the end of any visit you might make to my residence. Maybe you are right that that sort of escorting of a guest is not widespread in the North, but it is not altogether vanished.

           END OF DIATRIBE

         • Dear John,
           I am having my 3-5 day Spring Allergy problems, and,
           basically, I am the walking dead! I loved your rebuttal/analysis, and have workt out an interesting continuation. When my energy returns, we’ll continue!

         • Good luck getting through the challenge posed by your allergies, Junius. Whenever you’ll have posted your remarks in continuation of our exchange, I’ll be pleased to read them.

         • Thank you, John. I enjoyed your reply exceedingly!

         • I have this wonderful answer, to your fabulous remarks, John, rolling around in my now clear head. I just have not found the right moment.

           It’s coming, however – you, Anglo-file, you!

         • That sounds great, Junius. Please just take your time and let your answer form as it will. I’m happy to know you’ve passed through your struggle with your allergies. That’s a difficulty I know about only from the advertisements for the medical products that are designed to deal with it, but I get the sense it’s quite a bit of misery.

           PS Rule, Britannia.

       • I knew the song, hadn’t seen the video in years and yes Toby nails it of course. She’s in a nice dress, he’s in a shirt and tie and Toby’s in a Cowboy hat driving a 1990’s Chevy Silverado, looks like a shortbed. I assume this was a holdover in our nature from Scots Irish blood and the frontier, as the South remained largely frontier because of Jeffersonian Democrat no-development policies well up until the 1900’s

         The one thing that came out of Reconstruction was that the Yankee Carpetbag Governments built state hospitals and prisons for the first time and after Reconstruction, these same facilites were largely used until the modern day. The Florida State Hospital was a good example, Gary Oldman did a movie about it Chattachoochee. The Reconstruction government converted the Applachacola arsenal into the Florida State Prison in 1868 and when Raiford Prison, Florida’s present State Prison was put into use in 1876, the original prison became the State Hospital which it remains until this day.

         • There is little difference between Southerners and midwesterners and the rest of rural whites viz this issue. The only real difference is accents and styles of dress when you get down to it. And often not even style of dress.

         • From Mr. Jenkins’s comment…

           ‘A Southern Man’s wealth is his land. Just recently my grandfather died
           at 91, he was sick the last year of his life because his brothers and
           sisters sold his father’s land in Kentucky which was valued at a couple
           million dollars of prime mountain forest land. They sold it because they
           wanted the fast cash but he said that my Paw said never to sell the
           land, this is our land as long as the earth stands. Thats how he felt
           you dont get rid of your land.’

           Actually, John, what he is saying is a metaphor for how we are, and y’all aren’t – that we live from what has been given, whereas y’all, Northerners, like to live in the notion of what WILL be given – which, to my view, kind of explains why Northerners, according to Dr. Michael Hill, prefer to live in a world of hypothetical constructs, and, generally, we hate it.

         • Yes, Mr. Jenkins – the Northerner has been, generally, a genteel conqueror, though conqueror and occupier of us, he is and remains.

         • Yes they figured out that the Southern man could understand fists guns and knives, so they came at him with bureaucrats, something that he was not quite prepared for. Since 1865 it has been the death of 1000 cuts and now we’re all about cut up to death.

         • Yes, Mr. Jenkins, Southerners understand the straight angle, in this case fighting, much better than we understand the oblique angle.

           We don’t seem to like machinations nearly so much as Yankees.

           I agree with you about the cuts, though, I disagree with you about the death.

           In just the last year, I’ve seen more and more signs that the Bull kis getting reader to hit the bullfighter – from secessionists I meet, or to the way the GOP primary has gone – with southerners dictating to the establishemtn what will be what.

           Make no mistake about it, Mr. Jenkins – Mr. Trump’s ascendency is the most concerted evidence of Southern nationalism, that I’ve seen in decades – and I say that being a Cruz supporter.

         • I didn’t mean death, i meant close to death obviously I have seen more Confederate Flags since Nikki Haley than I did in the 5 years before it, they’re literally popping up everywhere. Thats a good sign

         • I’m glad to hear of the flags. Generally, though there are still flag wavers in North Carolina, they are way down from 20 years back.

           One way to recognize a reformed flag waver is that they are flying the NC flag – which, 20 years back, was very rare. In those days, you oft saw what i call the confused bi-polar flag pole – one Southron Confederate & the other Yankee Union.

           I tell you, however, what is popping up everywhere, in North Carolina, Mr. Jenkins … and that is Southern Nationalists, or Confederates – however you want to call them. Particularly of those under age 40, still, there are those I meet, such as myself who are over.

           It’s something quite unexpected and pleasant.

         • I reckon it all depends on the area. Believe it or not you wouldn’t think this but I live in a rural poor area in Ohio where my family moved from KY in the 1960s. Since the entire flap last year, suddenly I began seeing flags everywhere, on cars you name it. A few months before they had been much less but it seemed as if when the Kids heard they wanted to ban the Rebel Flag, they began flying it as an F-U thing. I think this is a good thing. The more they criminalize the flag, the more people want it.

         • Ohio? Yes, I would believe it. The Southern part of Ohio, Illinois, and most of Indiana I have found, for decades, to be Southern cousins.

           You are right about repression = resistance

           I think a huge difference, in this era, and the ones before it, is the internet.

           I think many people have gone beyond merely distrusting the national media, they have figured out that the Yankee government works by proxy – something, that, in the 1960s, or 1980s, even, was an abstract notion – and these proxies, whether corporate, groups (such as BLM) or the news, are simply undeclared parts of the government.

           Furthermore, I think that, for the first time in my lifetime, most people, either left or right, are firmly convincet that, not only does the government NOT care about the general welfare of the country, they actively eschew it.

           I liken to the general popular as being a big pile of wood, complete with fat lighters and all kinds of kindling, just waiting there, at the hearth ,for a light.

           Even though the 1960s were volatile, that period had a great silent majority of folks who still believed strongly in the Yankee government, and in all the ideas of Pax Americana.

           Well, to be sure, there are still those, today, BUT, as I find it, many many less than in any time in my life. Most people believe that the ‘American Dream’ has been shot all to hell, and ain’t coming back – and THAT … is a ticking time bomb.

           I suspect that the government knows this; which is why they print money so frantically, and keep the prime rate at a decimal. If the real economick circumstances came home to the average Amercan, the people on top would be finisht quicker than you could shake a stick- and that would affect all those unseen constituencies who use the Yankee government for their purposes – not ours.

         • The people born from about 1920 to 1930 was truly the cucked generation. The vast majority of Southern Segregationists you will find were born before 1920, Wallace was born in 1919, Ross Barnett was born in 1898 his daddy had fought in the War of Northern Aggression and had lived through Reconstruction. I have some reasons why I think this was the case.

           The 1920’s brought extreme religious liberalism to the United States and Secular Humanism became the dominant philosophy in our media. H L Mencken of Baltimore’s criticism of the rural South and the Scopes Trial proved this though Mencken ironically was Southern himself. Secularism also boomed at college campuses, even on some Southern college campuses. Certain religious groups such as the Southern Baptists and others remained strict, but almost all of the others became humanist and began to embrace lewdness. Jewish Hollywood popularized the mini skirt wearing flappers and everyone saw these silent movies and later talkies. Before the government began fully censoring films in 1934 under an agreement called the Hayes Code, films were racy. Before 1920, a woman who showed bare legs and arms in public would have been jailed, by 1928 that was normal in some locales. Jazz popularizing lewd Negro attitudes about life also became big

           The children born during this time came of age on Hollywood films, Jazz and the Depression where Government was seen as a positive good. They fought in WW2 and Korea, patriotic and when the war was over and they came home they as a whole laid down and allowed the scum of the earth to roll over them, They somehow thought that a parent’s responsibility for their children ended in the teen years and when they sent their children off to college, they simply thought it was all about getting an education, they weren’t proactive. When they came home raving libs and wanting to bomb buildings t o end the war then they understood something was wrong, but instead of doing something about it grabbing their guns and demanding redress they chose to believe politicians could solve it for them.

           If you will notice, every Southern politician who became PRO BLACK IN THE 70s Came from this 1920-1930 cohort. Some openly raised children who openly supported every form of degeneracy.

           Now did everyone of this generation do wrong? Heck no most of them did right and raised strong families, but the problem was enough of them were worthless, denied God and revealed faith that it made the rest of our lives a living hell. The worst thing this generation did was THEY TRUSTED IN THE GOOD OLE USA.

         • Mr. Jenkins, thank you for your exceedingly interesting and detailed commentary.

           Yes, I am aware of the Hollywood history, though, I was very impresst by your regurgitation, off the cuff, of it.

           Yes, the Jazz Age was the first great revolt against traditional society – something which was echoed in the 1960s, and which, again, is finding another echo, now.

           I totally agree with your timeline of the descent into the nadir, by our culture, and your observation that, ‘not all were bad’.

           Yes, ‘trusting in the Good Ole USA’ just as I was taught in my time, was a very toxick mistake – the fuller prices of which we are only getting wind of, nowadays.

         • The problem the Confederacy faced in 1861 was that the vast majority of the people in the Union had this convoluted devotion to the Constitution and the Flag as the heritage of the Revolution and couldn’t comprehend exactly why they were fighting. In fact the vast majority of them probably hated Negroes more than the Southrons who grew up with them.

           The Southern Aristocrats called them Mudsills, which was basically the house beam that rested directly on the ground ie mud or the lowest common denominator and they were right, Its hard to reason with people who will follow blindly without questioning why.

           The war was over seven years before the Mudsills realized how wrong they had been and they began electing Conservatives who threw the Radicals out of power and basically helped to enshrine a soft white supremacy in the North which dovetailed somewhat with the harder form below the M-D. The problem was Dixie, so desperate for a victory took the 1877 Compromise as a victory but it was purely cosmetic. The offensive laws 14th and 15th amendment remained in place as did the 1866 Civil Rights Act and the 1875 Act.

           As the years went by and the Confederate veterans aged, feelings softened and politics moved on. However the evil seeds planted by the New Englanders in 1854 in Kansas and the Republicans in 1860 were growing the entire time and no one seemed to notice. Southern leaders got comfortable, believed Jim Crow could exist until Jesus came back, and Northern Conservatives continued to just shove things under the rug.

           All of the sudden it was 1948 and the dust that had been shoved under the rug since 1877 had overwhelmed the rug and the seeds planted in 1854 and 1860 had grown into carnivorous vines.

         • At the same time, monied interests had invaded Dixie and had corrupted the leadership with money so totally that few would make a stand as standing up meant poor Southern states, in 1950 90% of the South was broke, wouldn’t get jobs and benefits.

           A few leaders stood up, Thurmond, Faubus, Barnett, and Wallace were the most famous, but only Wallace managed to get national attention and keep it for more than a single year. Yet aside from these men, few were willing to fight, they were content to take the money and hush up.

           The problem is TIME LAG. The problems the South warned everyone about in 1860 didn’t completely come to pass during Reconstruction and the ones that did happen were largely reversed after 1877. The problems that Strom Thurmond and George Wallace warned about didn’t happen immediately either. These problems were like the frog in the pot of water on the stove, He didn’t know he was being boiled until the end.

           They happened so slowly that by the time they all came to pass we didn’t realize it as we had been lulled into accepting them one piece at a time for years. Now the beast is upon us

         • Yes, Mr. Jenkins – a fine history and thank you for it.

           This is an enormously complicated problem, but, I believe that the seed of an improvement, in the situation, would be secession and the downsizing of the welfare state. People without serious infirmities or advancet age, need to work, and their children need to see that work is going on.

           Once the central government’s role is diminisht in daily life, some sun could gradually begin to shine.

         • Who you are seeing pissed off and ready to revolt now are the nephews cousins sons and grandsons of the disaffected Korea and Vietnam Vets who saw how screwed up and screwed over their family members were, heard from them that everything they were told was a lie and instead of thinking blindly patriotic as some Vets did, they saw the government as the enemy. Korea and Vietnam seemed to produce two kinds of Vet either Mr. Patriot or screwed up and screwed over. These men who came out of the second group became the first hardcore White Nationalists and Southern Nationalists. Louis Beam is a good example.

         • I like your analysis of the vets, Mr. Jenkins.

           Thank you for sharing with me your historical perspective.

           Might I ask : are you klan?

         • No I am just a regular guy who like Charles Bronson in Death Wish is sick and tired of the garbage. I am old enough to remember when you could turn on TV and you weren’t Niggered to death in every commerical or by every story in a Sports Magazine. As late as 1990 things were still relatively even handed, though Rap was hitting then, but in 1992 it all went off the rails and its been that way ever since.

         • Well, Mr. Jenkins : not having heard of the illustrious Louis Beam, I went to YouTube and heard what I pasted below..

           I agreed with him, and was shockt to find what I have been long saying to my white nationalist friends, KKK, LOS, Nazis, or otherwise : ‘I do NOT suscribe to Jewish Supremacism – this thinking that the tribe is so superior to all who are not … BUT, I do believe whites have become collectively feckless as all git-out.

         • Iremember those pre-negro TV days. Hell, when I was a youngun’ there were 4 channels, in Raleigh, and if you were up sick, after 11:30 pm, you were SOL, as the only thing on the screen were those strange dots.

         • We had 3 channels and once in awhile PBS and then they added a UHF channel that only came in through the blurs but sometimes not at all. I was lucky, we didnt have mountains here.

           When my Dad’s family got a television in the early 60s in Eastern KY before cable or dish you were lucky to see anything as the nearest stuff was Knoxville and those signals didnt get over the mountains too well. He said he remembered a Gospel Preacher getting up and telling the Congregation the Television was a Pipeline for Sin into your home and at the time the worst thing you saw on TV was Ward Cleaver give the Beaver a talking to. Dad said he worried his Daddy would come home and throw the television out as he had taken years to be convinced that they needed one. However that Preacher was right. Wasn’t but 10 short years later Norman Lear’s All in the Family put queers on the tv.

         • Your story, Mr. Jenkins, sounds like my childhood.

           TV, even more than courts or guns, has been our undoing, BUT, the computer is beginning the process of balancing that out.

           The government cannot control things like on tv and radio.

           All in The Family was a great show, not the least for the fact that Carroll O’Connor outfoxed Norman Lear, and made the object of his leftist ridicule a loveable person; who frequently made more sense than did his son-in-law,

           The negro mirror of Archie Bunker, George Jefferson, was a great bit to the show.

           You can watch that show from many different angles, and much of it still holds up today.

           That said, my favourite all-time show is Andy Griffith. I loved it as a boy, and I love it. now.

         • Carroll O Connor was a liberal but what is amazing is if you watch that show today, you see that 99% of what Archie said about any issue was right and 100% of what the liberal Meathead said was crap. Which is why people love Archie.

           I knew a Mexican woman whose mother’s family had moved to Chicago to escape the 1910 Revolution. At that time Mexicans lived on the South side Adjacent to the Irish and Italians. She told me that when she was a girl in the late 60s the Negroes began pushing into their neighborhoods and taking over their city parks and it got so bad that you couldn’t even have a cookout with your family without the Negroes wandering over and acting up.

           i know she said that when she went to visit back home that this one part of Chicago where all the rails crossed through that it would take upwards of a half hour to wait there and that if you had to be going through that neighborhood, you prayed you beat the trains because if you had to sit there for awhile the Negroes began milling around your car asking for money and that people were actually jerked out of their cars raped and beaten there.

           What is very telling is this. Even an area that is largely Mexican and they are a problem group all by themselves, who still commits the most robberies and the murders in that area? Negroes

         • I agree with you. When you watch the show today, it is rare to hear an opinion from Archie with which I could take issue.
           Concerning ‘negroes’, I will say this – they are very spongelike with regard to their environment. You see this in the qualitative differences of our local negro, here in Northampton County North Carolina, and those who come to our school here, from places like Baltimore.
           I do, however, agree with Louis Beam that, white weakness is the principle problem, not negro misdeeds. When we stop being weak, the negro community will benefit. Until then, it will be anarchy, as usual.

         • Exactly Beam was right. The White man abandoned the Biblical Jesus Christ largely after the War of Northern Aggression in the Northeast ie Pennsylvania to Maine, the South remained relatively strong religiously. This abandonment of religion coincided with an influx of Roman Catholic and Jewish Immigration which changed the complexion of the Northeastern States.

           Maryland never went with the rest of the South into the Bible Belt, it went through the same decline that hit the Northeast although less severe. The Midwest went through a decline largely among its elites.

           The decline led to a drop in number of White original American children, led to new ideas about morality and government slowly gaining power as the Immigrants, largely ignorant were easily led. By 1954 when BROWN VS BOARD was decided you had almost 100 years of unbridled Secular Humanism among the Northern Elites who of course influenced the white population at large to roll over and play dead. Factor in the Jews, recipe for Disaster.

         • Although some people said Andy Griffith was a jerk and he was liberal, he still played a real Southern man on his tv shows. Alot of people forget that Don Knotts was a Southron too, he was born in West Virginia and graduated from WVU.

           One criticism from the show by Negroes was that it didn’t include any and this makes me ROFL. The entire South isn’t Mississippi or Alabama and parts of it have few Negroes. The show took place in Mt Airy NC which is aways from the North Carolina Plantation belt. People are so STUPID

         • Mr. Jenkins, I apologize for not having returned your interest commentary. I am having my 3-5 day Spring Allergy problems, and, basically, I am the walking dead!
           We’ll talk soon.

         • NP I have been busy on a full frontal assault on the Cuckservatives at the National Review. I had near 50 comments deleted yesterday over there

         • Thanks for driving them crazy, Mr. Jenkins. Please pursue them into the bowels of hell!

         • Oh I will the Cuckservatives deserve it even more than the Liberal Antiwhites. At least with a Liberal Antiwhite, you know what you are fighting. The Cuckservative comes at you like Brutus and his friends came up behind Caesar. He tells you some things you like then when your back is turn he sinks the knives deep

         • Mr. Jenkins,
           I did know that Frances Bavier despised Andy Griffth, though, I never heard anyone else say bad things about him.
           Being an ole-timer, I have no idea what ‘ROFL’ means:)
           Good point on Mt. Airey – in fact, that is way out of our plantation belt, and I can tell you, from having visited the northeastern central NC hill country, many times, there are few negroes there.
           Really, however, I am surprised that the government has not targeted the legacy of Andy Griffith Show, more strongly; this being the fact that the show presents the virtues of the Southern life, that produce a quality of small-town and rural community life superior to all other models I have witnesst – in the 13 states, in which I have spent extended periods.

         • I dont know about Frances Bavier but I know Andy was the victim of bad press, whether true or not the guy played a decent down home man on tv and thats all that counts. The Jewish elite who targeted Andy Griffith in later years, seem to think North Carolina=Mississippi and Alabama when it is 100% different. This is the same thing as the Hollywood Southern Accent. Nothing gets me as pissed as this, look not everyone talks like a Kentucky mountaineer, a Mississippi Redneck or an 1860s Southern Aristocrat, there is 100 shades of variance there.

     • ‘The Jews are racially prone to bisexuality in fact i would bet about 20% of Jews are homo or bi.’

       This is true, nowadays, Mr. Jenkins, but, it was not at all true in my daddy’s era.

       Jewish culture has, historically, been markt by extreme homophobia, and, for that reason, ancient Jews long made fun of Greeks and Romans as being buggerers.’

       My personal view has been that Jewish culture has gone to the dogs, in the last 50 years, in this country – though, I could level that statement at the country, entire.

       • They always say one thing and do another, the Scripture records in Kings the prevelance of Shrine Prostitutes in the King James referred to as Sodomites, not to mention the story of mass homosexual rape in the Book of Judges which was committed by Benjamites ie Jews on other Jews. They always have a habit of mocking that which they themselves do. In Germany before WW2 this predaliction toward homosexual or deviant behavior among Jews was noted as being much higher than the population at large. Today one of the largest Gay Pride Parades on earth is in Tel Aviv Israel.

         • You’re right, Mr. Jenkins – Tel Aviv is rated gay town #1 – even, oddly, ahead of St. Petersburg, Russia.

           And, yes – the Jewish community tends not to look at things in a 360 arc.

           That said, I stand by my personal observation that, historically, Jewry has been, for better or worse, a very homophobick culture.

         • The Rank and File may have been for years sure, but the Jewish leadership secretly practiced it and that was why the Prophets in Ancient Israel condemned the leadership so harshley in that they were the Shepherds of the people yet they were secretly filthy. Of course when you figure out that Jewry isn’t really Jewry but Esau’s offspring the children of Edom who used shrine prostitutes and sacrificed to demons, it makes more sense.

         • Thank you for this thought and your kind acknowledgment.

           Really, I have no idea how any ‘people’ get to be how they are. It’s rather mysterious to me.

           Furthermore, I don’t think i have studied the history and theories to such an extent as you, and certainly not as much as Mr. Griffin.

           I just have the view from having known several thousands of Jews, from around the world, at this point in time, and was sharing you with you my unprofessional and unacademick perspective, of it, from the inside.

           Unfortunately, though I raised culturally as a Southern Jew, the behavior of the Jewish community, in it’s attitudes towards The South, has shamed me so, that I have been forcet to secede from it.

           I acknowledge my blood is largely Jewish, but, I denounce, and renounce, the American Jewish community for being so unappreciative, unfaithful, and unsolicitious of their hosts; – white Western European descended Southerners; a community that was, by and large, more gracious to my daddy’s people, than anywhere else in the history of the long diaspora, on the planet.

           As to the pc pro-homosexual affectations of the modern American Jewish community, that, to me, is the least of their offences.

           Have a good day, Mr. Jenkins

         • As I come from a New Testament Christian heritage, I believe that the problem from my standpoint as it pertains to White Gentile Christians is not Jews PER SE it is a lack of adhering to the Christian religion and the principles of which Christ taught. Most do not know that Prosecutor Ken Starr from the Clinton years, his wife is Jewish which makes his children Jewish as well, according to Jewish law. However, she was Baptized into Christ as I also believe their children and grandchildren likely are baptized as well.

           She is my sister in Christ, more than a white person who is a Methodist or a Baptist, as in our faith we only fellowship those who are Baptized according to the laws set forth by Christ. As a Christian this is my stance. My stance on Race in regards to Negroes is that I believe the Negro is too childlike to ever be a viable part of civilized society. Now there are mulattoes and quadroons who have done better than most white people in our civilized society this is also true, but they are genetic aberrations.

           My stance on Islam is the same as any other Non-Christian religion. If an Black African Arab or Pakistani Muslim wished to renounce Islam and be Baptized I wouldn’t be a Christian if I denied his/her right to do so. However as we are often emotionally and genetically different, I think it is the best for both parties concerned that we are separate.

           The extreme isolation of the South before 1900 when most of it became linked by railroads to the rest of the United States, created a genuine subculture that is the Southern Jewish Community. These folks being isolated from the Jewish mainstream for 200 years in some case were largely bypassed from many of the changes that took place as the result of the Sabbatean cult and the followers of Jacob Frank among the Jews of Europe. Henry Makow, who is Jewish, has written at length on the influence of the Sabbatean cult in all of the major world upheavals since the French Revolution.

           By the way, most of the Sabbateans were excommunicated by the mainstream Jewish community as they taught Free Love, pedastry and other unholy behaviors as being sacred to God. This group largely embraced the changes brought on by the French Revolution. The home base of Sabbateanism were the German States as Germany did not exist as a nation Pre 1871. Most of the Jews who arrived from Germany after 1848 were partially influenced by or part of the Sabbatean cult. All of the Revolutionary Jews in Russia were Sabbateans. They regarded anyone who held to basic ideas of tradition as regressive and thereby subject to extermination.

           The Sabbateans forced the policy of Russification upon the Jews living in Russia, ie forcing them to adopt Russian surnames and they also encouraged interethnic marriage to White Russians to mainstream them into their vision of the Communist Man. This policy was so strict and widespread that when the Soviet Union opened up emigration in the 1970s, they gave Jewish papers to Russian criminals to dump them on the United States and Israel. Today there are Russians living in Israel who got there via a grandfather or grandmother’s Jewish status, but for all intensive purposes live and act as Russians.

           This is a very complicated study and I am not completely clear on all of it myself.

         • A fascinating response, and what I most appreciate is that it blends ‘history’ with some of your personal life.

           I don’t have time to give it it’s due, right now, BUT, I will say this : I am in complete agreement with you that, though Jewish culture is, at present, a noteworthy, contribution to the ongoing demise of The West, the responsibility, first and foremost, must lie with the not very christian Christian majority.

           That said, in fairness to all my Christian brothers & sisters, much is often made of our ‘hypocrisies and shortcomings’, yet, it is the cancerous infection of Secular Humanitarian Universalist Leftism (and all it’s other various semantick guises) which has done more to lay waste to our civilization than anything.

           To be clear, Mr. Jenkins, The Left did make some worthy contributions,
           over the past century, in this country, BUT, like salt in food, if you
           keep pouring it, the food is ruined, and The Left has now been poured
           out on to this society at crisis point.

           As to your views on negroes, I have no choice to agree, though it gives me no pleasure to do so. Certainly some of them have been of enormous benefit to me and my family, as I was raised by two darkie mammies, who were the soul of human kindness. That said, the degradation to which the negro community, has, as a whole, sunken, since my early years is too horrifying to behold.

           I will say this about them : they have been brought to their lowest point by the Yankee government. I have come to agree with Minister Louis Farrakhan that, ‘Civil Rights’ turned out to be another white man’s trick’.

           I would only modify that to be, ‘Civil Rights turned out to be another of the Northern white man’s trick’ … as The South already had carefully evolved a system to bring out the very best in that race; a community I remember well, during my early boyhood days, at the end of Jim Crow.

           Mr. Jenkins – what I appreciate in you is that you are are not only willing to be forthright about your well-considered criticisms, but, as well,you have a very good heart, in line with The Lord, behind that.

           It’s a winning combination to being a human, and, I wish, more had it.

         • As I have always said Jim Crow wasn’t perfect, it was merely the best situation that could be worked out to solve a difficult problem. In fact I would say that excluding the Northeast Pennsylvania to Maine, the vast majority of the nation accepted and was fine with it BEFORE 1945.

           What happened after 1945 was that when the Internationalist Element, which was a melange of groups began to attack it directly, they had been undermining it at some level since about 1909 with the founding of the NAACP. With New York and the Ivy League being the nerve center of politics in the United States and the incubator of intellectualism, the main provider of College professors to every state in the USA.

           After WWII with thousands of young men entering college re:indoctrination these ideas spread throughout the population at large. Hollywood also began subtley attacking it through the movies. Before WWII, we had Negro Hollywood, which made Negro-themed movies and Negro comedy acts like Mantan Moreland and Stepin Fetchit who often appeared in White Movies. After WWII Hollywood whitened to a point that Negroes largely disappeared from mainstream movies while at the same time they slowly began producing White Guilt movies. These movies increased slowly with every year yet it was subtle and not really observed closely.

           This indoctrination even invaded the Southern Universities which were then educating the next generation of Southern leaders. By 1972 when the tumultuous era of upheaval which began in 1954 ended most of the Southern leaders born PRE 1920 were retiring and they were being replaced by the WWII and Korea era leadership who had been heavily indoctrinated. All of your major Southern anti-integration leaders were of the PRE-1920 Cohort, all of your integrationists were Post 1920 cohort.

           When Ole Miss and Alabama were integrated, it was the students fighting back, the faculty which was largely being replaced by those born after 1920 complied. This happened at all the universities, in fact David Duke was belittled at LSU in the late 60s after he gave a speech condemning the immigration act. Thus we see by this time the faculty had largely become divorced from the feelings of the common folks and it has only worsened.

           A good example, Ross Barnett was born in 1898 to a Confederate veteran father the War of Northern Aggression was real to him and he like a soldier fought tooth and nail. By 1971 you had liberals like Jimmy Carter GA and Dale Bumpers AR in charge among hundreds of others, both men born in the mid 1920s and came of age during the indoctrination age. The results were predictable.

         • Yes, Mr. Jenkins, you are very right here ; from the fact that Jim Crow had it’s shortcomings, but, was the best that could be fashioned, in a difficult situation of fundamental incompatibility, to your premise of how our Southern society was gradually undermine, by a collusion of things that, generally speaking began to take shape right after WWII.

           I think your analysis of the ‘indoctrination age’ as fantastick and perfectly illustrated.

           Thank you.

         • I have studied Southern History, Hunter knows it more than I do but the fact still remains that probably 90% of Whites in the lower Midwest and West basically approved of Negro restrictions of one type or another, the only exceptions being places like Minnesota Wisconsin and Michigan which are extensions of New England in the era pre-1945.

           One of the definate benefits of Legal Jim Crow was that it kept disturbances and violence relatively low. It allowed the courts to prosecute offenders.

           In cities such as Chicago and Detroit, where there was in theory full integration, segregation was maintained with fists, fires and weapons. The Chicago Riots of 1919 and the Detroit Black Legion bombings and shootings of the 1930s and the 1943 Riots were examples of this. It was also maintained by Housing Covenants, which were thrown out in 1948, partially because of a Negro family in Detroit sueing in court. This happened in most of the major Northern cities from 1919 to the 1970s by the time most whites had left the cities.

           Common whites in the North had little say over the intellectuals and idiot college students ie Freedom Riders, in fact most were so busy working and paying the bills they never even noticed or cared to notice the upheaval. This was why in the past the Northern whites were called mudsills by the Southern Aristocrats. They were categorized by being woefully uniformed and completely reliant upon those in authority to tell them what to think. They also are uneasy with being bombastic as they think it is prideful.

           A Southern Politician in 1920 could rack a shotgun in public at a speech to show his readiness to defend his position, in the North this guy would lose hands down, not because the people don’t agree with him, but because most Northern people have a huge complex about drawing attention to themselves, they think it is low class.

   • It was the same story with the Civil Rights Movement. And it is the same story with immigration and other issues. Businessmen want to be respected and admired and would rather go on making money than making a fuss about gay marriage or amnesty or segregation.

     • The bourgeoisie have always been known for their rejection of honor based cultures.

       • So, then, what are you arguing for? That we acquiesce and just bend over and let the sodomites have their way with us? HW- you (like me) have a son? What does that SON mean to you? How can you let a society EXIST that would DEFAME the image of that Male creation, made in the Image and likeness of God, to become something akin to a demonic beast, like Bruce Jenner has become?

         Do we merely continue as consumerist drones, or do we take over ONE city, ONE state, ONE municipality, and then secede… or NOT?

         Does the salvation of our souls mean ANYTHING?
         I’m beginning to see the merit of Anne Barnhardt’s position…. more and more each day.

         • Be aware that copying the “March through the institutions” strategy will not be as easy as the Jews and their allies had it. Unlike whites, they pay attention and scotch all such upstart movements and people. Or they certainly put in the effort to do so.

         • Yeah, but racially conscious, pro Westerner, Jew aware, Muslims aware Whites in Eastern Europe did make that march through the institutions and basically took over most everything in Soviet, Socialist/Communist East block countries – this take over happened at least by the early 1960s.

           Lib Leftist Jews in places like Commentary Magazine, New York Trotskyite Jews turned against the Soviets, Russians because they correctly noticed that Russians and the Soviets had thrown off jewish Bolshevik rule and took anti Israel positions.

           1980s Reagan Conservatives including sadly Pat Buchanan didn’t notice this and we wasted the 1980s obsessing about the Russians arming mountain Muslim Jihadists in Afghanistan, watching stupid Rambo movies fighting the Russians with Afghan Muslim friends.

         • Nothing.

           Just saying … they have always been like this. Merchants have no country.

         • That’s right, Sir : merchants are the white sharks of the individualistick world.

           It ‘Merchantism” is a peculiar club, baset entirely on a particular state of mind, and not at all blood.

       • Sir, the bourgeoisie are not, in any way,
         collectivists.

     • Well, Sir, I would attribute your observation, about businessman, to the pressures exerted upon us by our sense of individual self.

       I mean, what else could it be, when so many plantationeers brought in so many slaves? Certainly the plantationeers were not excited about having negroes in their societ,y and yet – they did it anyway.

       So, we have a long heritage of this. In fact, from what I have read, the early years of the 19th century were far more oligarchal than even now.

     • I agree with this, Sir – though I would put it differently ; a lot of folks have a fanatick religion of, ‘Geld über Alles’…

6. One thing that can be done is notice who they are and what they stand for. Support businesses like Chick Fil A, and Hobby Lobby. Don’t financially support businesses like Disney who are run by human trash.

7. All Roads Lead to Zion.

   If you were name two groups most diametrically opposed to one another, which would they be?

   Easy: homos/trannies and Muslims.

   Homos/trannies are at the forefront of Western globo-consumerist decadence, and Muslims are defenders of the Old Faith and traditional Near Eastern values.

   So, how odd that someone like George Soros is an avid supporter and defender of both. Why? It’d be like funding both Libertarian Capitalists and Radical Communists.

   As we should know, homo-tranny agenda is a proxy for Jewish supremacist power. Jews destroy majority power by thrusting homo-tranny agenda all over. It is their battering ram.

   If Jews as Jews tried to subvert our societies with Jewish-only issues, people would become aware of the full extent of Jewish power.

   So, Jews hide behind homo-tranny power to destroy majority norms and values. That way, we think homos are behind it all when, in fact, Jews are the main funders and leaders of the homo movement.

   But then, Jews also use Muslim ‘refugees’ and Mexican illegals to destroy the West. Since Jews don’t have the numerical numbers to undermine Western societies, they promote ‘diversity’ to undermine white identity and interests. Now, homos and Muslims are at the opposite spectrum of ideology and values. But Jews support both groups because both serve to undermine white identity and interests.

   Jews use homo-trannies to subvert normal white identity, pride, and righteousness. When straight whites must bend over to homos as the moral superior, there goes white identity and pride.

   Once whites have been stripped of pride and identity, they have no defense mechanism left against the Muslim/African invasion that will further undermine white identity and interests.

   By making whites surrender to homo minority power, white have lost majority pride and values. Thus, they are rendered helpless against the Muslim tide.

   With whites demoralized by homo decadence and Muslim virulence, Jewish elites can then play divide-and-conquer among the confused and conflicted gentiles.

   Incidentally, the proto-globlist Jewish oligarchs of the early 20th century funded both libertarian-style capitalism and Marxist revolution. Both were used creatively to undermine white gentile nations. In the end, it was all about Jewish Power and Domination.

   It’s like Neocons will work with both homos and Saudis to gain total dominance of the Middle East.

   • The Jews eventual goal is the total elimination of mankind. They plan to merge themselves with robots and live forever. Look up Ray Kurizweil Jett and Jahn wrote about this. Knowing this you understand what Maurice Samuels meant in YOU GENTILES 1924

     WE JEWS ARE THE DESTROYERS AND WE WILL REMAIN SO UNTIL WE HAVE A WORLD OF OUR OWN.

     Robotics has eliminated the need for people they already have fully humaniod robots in Japan and at the Military bases. Terminator is here and he is a Jew

8. More like Reagan Coal-burners.

9. If trans-gender folks are men pretending to be women or women pretending to be men, maybe Neocons ought to be called transervatives: Jewish Liberalists pretending to be Conservatives.

   • “Transervatives” – perfect term, I’m stealing it!

10. It did exist, but only ephemerally, and only under certain circumstances.

11. Big business like politics, the courts and the federal bureaucracies is well downstream of culture. There is no reason Big Business can’t sell their shit to a 90% white, socially conservative country. They did just that for 215 years. Jewish influence over the culture is a root cause here.

    – Lew

    • The Jewish influence and now that the entire world is open for business they believe they have to advertise to every perceivable group to gain market share. Hollywood is now making the majority of it’s films for overseas markets, which is why uniquely “American” subject matter is being ignored. Even the Negroes are upset claiming #OscarsSoWhite to which i #ROFL seeing that how the Oscars and Hollywood are Jewish games, only white people in Hollywood are some Goy actors and the work crews.

      The simple reason is this. The Chinese don’t like Negroes, and don’t want to see movies with Negro lead roles, they want “White” stars or the occassional A List Asian one like Jackie Chan. This is what making products for the world market is all about, somehow the Negroes are so ignorant then cant put 1+1 together and it equals JEW

      • ‘The Jewish influence and now that the entire world is open for business…’

        God point, Mr. Jenkins. My daddy was Hungarian Jewish, and just like most successful Manhatte-ites I’ve met, he believe that everything is always ‘on sale’.

        Though I share not much weltanschauung with my daddy, I cannot say that, at this time in history, I can refute this point of his.

12. The business interests that fund the GOP are certainly not socially conservative, and really all that free market either.

13. The rational world is a gigantic circle jerk!

14. Whitaker describes this very well, he was on the ground when all this was put together.
    Anyway social issues are downstream from culture, not the statehouse.
    Anyway social issues are downstream from culture, not the statehouse.

15. One big cultural revolution we’ve seen has happened in the military.

    But it has been so selective. If the Progs are really interested in making the military ‘equal’ and ‘progressive’, why not go all the way?

    Why not get rid of boot-camp training? Isn’t it abusive, bullying, male-dominated? Doesn’t it promote an us-versus-them tribal mentality? Shouldn’t the US military be about loving other nations? So, why promote warfare and tribal camaraderie of USA-USA-USA? Why not pass out flowers and sing songs about US should be friends with all countries?

    Why not get rid of ranks? Ranks are hierarchical. It’s not egalitarian. Why should some officers be generals, colonels, captains, majors, and etc?

    Why must some men be in infantry? And that is insulting. It sounds like children or babies. There should be equality. And all ranks should face equal danger in combat. Why should upper-rank officers just give out orders while lower-rank soldiers do all the dying and getting maimed? That isn’t equal. That isn’t fair.

    Why not get rid of uniforms? It promotes conformism. We should welcome more hijabs and other such garb to promote ‘diversity’. Same uniform for everyone promotes aesthetic homogeneity, and we know homogeneity of any kind is evil and wicked. So, let each soldier dress as he, she, or he/she pleases. Promote aesthetic diversity!

    Why not get rid of marching and other coordinated behavior? Such promote unity and obedience. And we know ‘progressivism’ is about being ‘different’ and being ‘deviant’. So, let each soldier march in his, her, or his/her way? Why must all march the same way?

    And why should soldiers who do all the dying have no say in which wars to fight? Shouldn’t they have a veto power over a certain war, at least if it’s overseas and if the nation in question did NOT attack the US? How is the US military part of national defense when it acts offensively against other nations? That is imperialism.

    And why should US military be the strongest in the world? Isn’t that a form of supremacism? US military should seek equality with militaries in other nations. Not supremacy and domination. That is so unequal and America-domineering.

    US should share its weapons technology with all nations to spread equality.

    And why should American military favor the agenda of Israel? That is favoring one ethnic group over others. That is ‘racist’.

    • We want equal opportunity only. Not communism

    • Play metal gear and see how war is hell.

16. The enemy has already lost. You can tell when they are losing. They get shrill and crazy. Their tactics make no sense and they just double down on everything. They have lost and they know it. Why else would they bring in Muslims? There can never be another deal between them after Palestine. They are burning it down and packing their little carpet bags of loot. I hear they’re building underground bunkers. This is good news. It means they have nowhere to run to and hide anymore.

17. “Big Business, however, operates in a coalition with the most radical SJW activists on the Left. Bank of America and PayPal threaten the North Carolina legislature. Coca-Cola and Disney threaten to abandon Georgia. Wal-Mart uses all its economic power to influence Arkansas. Alcoa sends threatening letters to the Tennessee legislature. When it comes to immigration, the US Chamber of Commerce uses all its power to push for amnesty for illegal aliens in concert with the Democrats. Even worse, major corporations tow the SJW line in hiring practices and monitor the political activity of their employees.” it’s called freedom of association. And let’s look at the lies the right likes to use.