Editor’s Note: If Martin Luther were alive today, he would be forced to post on Gab along with Thomas Jefferson and most of the Founding Fathers.
Chechar asks:
“I am most curious how Lutherans like Hunter Wallace of Occidental Dissent could respond to what we have been saying in this site, especially the translations of Deschner’s work, Evropa Soberana’s essay on Rome and Judea and Catherine Nixey’s book about the destruction of the classical world by the Christians? How can racist Christians reconcile their worship of the god of the Jews with Aryan preservation is a mystery for me.”
It is hardly a secret that Martin Luther wasn’t the biggest fan of the Jews:
“In 1541, Doctor Menius asked Doctor Luther, in what manner a Jew should be baptized? The Doctor replied: You must fill a large tub with water, and, having divested the Jew of his clothes, cover him with a while garment. He must then sit down in the tub, and you must baptize him quite under the water. The ancients, when they were baptized, were attired in white, whence the first Sunday after Easter, which was peculiarly consecrated to this ceremony, was called dominica in albis. This garb was rendered the more suitable, from the circumstance that it was, as now, the custom to bury people in a white shroud; and baptism, you know, is an emblem of our death. I have no doubt that when Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan, he was attired in a white robe. If a Jew, not converted at heart, were to ask baptism at my hands, I would take him on to the bridge, tie a stone round his neck, and hurl him into the river; for these wretches are wont to make a jest of our religion. Yet, after all, water and the Divine Word being the essence of baptism, a Jew, or any other, would be none the less validly baptized, that his own feelings and intentions were not the result of faith [William Hazlitt: The Table Talk Or Familiar Discourse of Martin Luther, p.165].”
If Martin Luther were alive today, I have no doubt he would get a strike on YouTube for “hate speech” for posting that joke or a permanent ban on Twitter and Facebook.
He described the Jews as his enemies:
“We must fight everywhere against the armies of the Devil. How many different enemies have seen in our own time – the defenders of the pope’s idols, the Jews, a multitude of Anabapist monstrosities, the party of Servertus and others. Let us prepare ourselves against Mohammad as well. But what will we be able to say concerning things of which we are ignorant? That it is why it is beneficial for learned people to read the writings of their enemies.”
Among other things, he recommended setting their synagogues on fire, razing their houses, prohibiting them from engaging in usury, denying them civil rights, etc, etc.
“What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, nowthat we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophetsspeak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we mustpractice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:
First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly_and I myself was unaware of it_will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about,blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), itwould be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
In Deuteronomy 13:12 Moses writes that any city that is given to idolatry shall be totally destroyed by fire, and nothing of it shall be preserved.If he were alive today, he would be the first to set fire to the synagogues and houses of the Jews. For in Deuteronomy 4:2 and 12:32 he commanded very explicitly that nothing is to be added to or subtracted from his law. AndSamuel says in I Samuel 15:23 that disobedience to God is idolatry. Now the Jews’ doctrine at present is nothing but the additions of the rabbis and the idolatry of disobedience, so that Moses has become entirely unknown among them (as we said before), just as the Bible became unknown under the papacy in our day. So also, for Moses’ sake, their schools cannot be tolerated; they defame him just as much as they do us. It is not necessary that they have their own free churches for such idolatry.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might belodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them the fact that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in whichsuch idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them.
Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17:10) in which he commands them to obey their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: “what they teach you inaccord with the law of the Lord.” Those villains ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people’s obedience contrary to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the declaration in Matthew 16:18, “You are Peter,” etc., inducing us to believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore he forfeited the right to teach.
Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside, since they arenot lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let them stay at home. I have heard it said that a rich Jew is now traveling across the country with twelve horses his ambition is to become a Kokhba devouring princes, lords, lands, and people with his usury, so that the great lords view it with jealous eyes. If you great lords and princes will not forbid such usurers the highway legally, some day a troop may gather against them, having learned from this booklet the true nature of the Jews and how one shoulddeal with them and not protect their activities. For you, too, must not and cannot protect them unless you wish to become participants in an their abominations in the sight of God. Consider carefully what good could come from this, and prevent it.
Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above, theyhave no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it they havestolen and robbed from us an they possess. Such money should now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God’s blessing in a good and worthy cause. …
But if the authorities are reluctant to use force and restrain the Jews’ devilish wantonness, the latter should, as we said, be expelled from the country and be told to return to their land and their possessions in Jerusalem, where they may lie, curse, blaspheme, defame, murder, steal, rob, practice usury, mock, and indulge in all those infamous abominationswhich they practice among us, and leave us our government, our country, our life, and our property, much more leave our Lord the Messiah, our faith,and our church undefiled and uncontaminated with their devilish tyranny and malice. Any privileges that they may plead shall not help them; for no one can grant privileges for practicing such abominations. These cancel and abrogate all privileges.”
Luther wrote three tracts against the Jews – On the Jews and their Lies, On the Ineffable Name and On the Last Words of David. He successfully campaigned to have them expelled from Saxony by Prince John Frederick in 1536. They had already been driven out of Wittenberg before his arrival. In his last sermon at his hometown in Eisleben in February 15, 1546, he preached that “the Jews are our enemies, who do not cease to defame Christ and would gladly kill us all if they could.” He died three days later.
He literally went to his grave preaching against the Jews. So, the answer to your question is that Martin Luther had no problem reconciling his Christianity with his opposition to Jews. He considered all of these groups – Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Anabaptists – to be his enemies.
Note: Jews had it pretty rough in Europe back then pretty much everywhere outside of Poland. They weren’t worshiped and put on a pedestal like they are today.
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Our circumstances are not so much trying to have our cake and eat it too, but paying for the cake and not getting to eat it at all.
“The jews are our enemies……and would gladly kill us all if they could.”
Is there anyone who can dispute this?
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Like you, Hunter, I was raised Lutheran. I knew about Luther’s writings on the Jews. I was taught that Jews were aliens, not like us, and not of us, or us of them. In short, according to my dad, they’re hostile, foreign assholes who’ll steal you blind, betray you, and stab you in the back at the drop of a hat. Dad always said Luther was right about the Jews. Hitler was too. I even heard WWII vets bitterly say Hitler was right about them.
I’ve run across a few of the “Jesus was a Jew” crowd, who think it’s a sin not to worship Jews, or criticise them, or oppose them. Most of them seem to be members of non mainstream denominations, or odd one off Baptist or Methodist churches.
I’ve got a friend in Caney, Oklahoma who attends a church where they worship Jews. On Sundays, on Facebook, he says “Shabbat Shalom” to everybody. He’s not Jewish by race, nor religion. He’s a Baptist. Or was raised one. Yet he feels the need to play Jew and worship them for some odd reason.
I went to school with Pentecostals. They thought they were the lost 13th tribe of Israel and more Jewish than Jews. They thought of themselves as super Jews. Had one girl brag to me about her fluency in Hebrew. The whole congregation went out and bought themselves Toyota Minivans in the expectation that Jesus would return to lead them in a minivan convoy to Heaven and place them above Jews, because, according to them, they were the true Jews.
The real Jews in town tried to keep a low profile. They didn’t say much, or interact with people a whole lot, especially in school. The only Synagogue in town is right next to the high school football stadium and gets drowned out on Friday nights in the Fall.
The whole concept of Judeo-Christianity didn’t come about until the late 1960’s, and it was basically a cover story on news magazines trying to stir up support for Israel and the Jews.
I’ve been watching the Netflix series on Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where a pretty fair translation of the New Testament is presented. Watching this theater, I couldn’t help, but, see how anti-Jewish/anti-Semitic the Evangelists were, and this is a straight up no nonsense presentation! I’m surprised Netflix is showing it.
Are you aware that the Gospel of Mark was the first Gospel, and that it was written at least 70 years after the supposed events? Also, various concocted endings have been added to it by the Church at even later dates.
Most scholars consider John to have been written first.
Mark is generally believed to have been written c.75AD. Matthew and Luke, which are nothing but revised versions of Mark, appeared around 100AD. John was written last, c.125-150AD.
The earliest gospel fragments that have been found are those of John. Everything else is textual criticism, and opinion.
@James – well done. For once you are not blaming dreaded “Yankees”. They phenomena you detail re: Jew worshippers simply reveals the innate weakness of Whites. They are groveling before their conquerors. FYI – why wasn’t Luther’s advice heeded centuries ago? Why have things degenerated to the point of the obliteration of Western Civilization, and our Race, the White Race?
White men have held the reins of power in our lands for centuries. Women, in power, ins a very recent thing. White men are terrific in creating amazing things – but absolutely SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK in protecting and preserving Our Own Kind. White men are DISASTROUS, in fact. There’s a contingent of the (((Alt Right))) that blame da wite wimmenz for everything – but White men are the ones that have allowed EVERY bad thing, and have done for centuries. Why?
This tragic flaw is what we need to address.
I was studying that question over the summer when I got dragged back into the Charlottesville mess.
I think it essentially boils down to innate Northern European tolerance. It would seem to be a noble trait, but our predecessors took it too far and now we “tolerate” everything that will ultimately destroy us.
Western civilization went into rapid decline exactly 100 years ago as a result of the Great War, madam. That conflict probably would’ve ended much sooner in a stalemate if it weren’t for the machinations of the you-know-whos.
I was also raised Lutheran, but we were never taught about Luther’s writings on the Jews. Of course, I’ve become aware of them since, but I wish we had been raised with that knowledge originally. I can no longer reconcile Christianity with White preservation. It is ultimately an offshoot of Judaism, based on poisonous Semitic ideas and worship of a Semitic god, superimposed over some pre-existing pagan traditions and earlier religions. Luther was a very wise man, wise enough to see that Christianity needed to be reformed, just not wise enough to see that the whole thing was a sham. Probably understandable considering when and where he came from. I have no problem with whites who wish to maintain their own healthy form of Christianity, but it has left me a damaged person. Our race must come before religion.
Jew worshipers, wannabe Jews and self proclaimed super Jews cause as much trouble as actual Jews do.
“How can racist Christians reconcile their worship of the god of the Jews?”
The God that White, European Christians actually worship, vs the one described in the Bible, are not the same God. The God they worship is conceived in the European mind, apart from the Asiatic mentality of the Jews.
In fact, a good amount of Christian theology contains Greek/Roman/Occidental concepts quite distinct from those of the Semitic.
However, most White Christians don’t notice this difference between the God that they worship, and the God of the Jews.
God is Love, God is merciful and just, ain’t Jewish notions. They’re Occidental, White concepts.
I have responded: here.
Yet Luther was still a Christian, and thus unfortunately your piece here – good as it is in highlighting a belligerent side of Luther’s character – does not address the central problem: Christianity is a Jewish creation, inverts healthy values, abolishes natural morality in favour of moral universalism, and has acted as a slow-acting poison for white civilisation, and is thus toxic for racial whites.
Chechar is obvisiously ignorant of Jewish-Christian history. While Christianiy is, humanely speaking, derived from a Jewish matrix, it was freed from that matrix by the Church council in Jerusalem on 50 AD. The Mosaic law was no longer required for either Jewish or Gentile converts to the faith.
He so fails to take into account that the Jews started to persecute Christ and his followers from the very beginning of his ministry. Their persecutions over the next 1900 plus years have made the Jewish culture vastly different from the ones created by Christians. They are basically isolated in their spiritual and physical ghettos, while Christians have gone out into the world to preach the Gospel, and change pagan societies onto Christian ones. The Jews have always fought against this, because they have always felt more comfortable in a society and culture that wasn’t Christian. So, it wasn’t unusual to find them conspiring with pagan authorities to harrass Christians. And when Christianity became the dominent faith in the ancient world, they started to subvert and infiltrate the Church as their main strategy, since open attacks would be too dangerous.
Chechar wonders how we Christians can worship ‘ the god of the Jews’ and preserve our racial distinctiveness. History shows that the Church never encouraged interracial marrige as a whole. The vast majority of Christians simply married within their own social, ethnic, or racial class. Since all the cultures of the anciemt world were hierarchical or patriarchial, marriage outside those classes would have been frowned upon. It has been only in recent years, that leftists have been tearing down those barriers, and causing the social chaos we see now.
Ignorant? Are you familiar with the masthead of my site, ‘Rome vs. Judea; Judea vs. Rome’? Or with my translation of Deschner’s book, published last month?
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You make good points, but I believe your understanding may be flawed:
First, you refer to ‘Jews’ persecuting Christ. Of course, you must be aware that some Jews also founded the Nazarene Church, the precursor of Pauline Christianity. Jews were and are not a monolithic group, and in so far as we say that Jews have agency as a class, we must at the same time acknowledge their heterogeneity and conflicting politico-historical goals and objectives.
Second, you refer to some of the supposed cultural benefits of Christianity, but these are the actions of whites, not Christians as such. Paganism, too, was a force for social stabilisation. Ultimately, the point is that Christianity in its precepts and values is not innate to whites. Instead, whites adapted Christianity in different ways to their ethnic situations.
HW writes: “It is hardly a secret that Martin Luther wasn’t the biggest fan of the Jews:”
I respond:
Martin Luther’s one anti Jewish pamphlet “The Jews and all their Lies” is mostly based on one ethnic Jew convert to Christianity telling Martin Luther what the Talmud says about Jesus Christ and also Luther’s observations about how non Christian Jews live off of the work of (Germans) Christians in Europe through things like usury.
But, this is a rather narrow criticism of Jews – that they should all become Christians, that never works. Plus Martin Luther was really the first one to make all Europeans make the Jewish Bibile the be all and end all of life.
The Old Testament Jewish Bible is highly J ethno centric – with the Jewish tribal God Jehovah bringing down terrible plagues to kill off all the first born children of the Egyptians (Passover) and slaughters of Persians – “Book of Esther” .
The Jewish tale about Jehovah the tribal God of the Jews parting the Red Sea – it’s frankly impossible for us to make that work for us and it just isn’t fair history supported by Science, the same as the Holohoax.
There were some modest efforts to create a “Positive Christianity” to take out the worst parts of the Jewish Old Testament and also edit out the lies and intrigues of St. Paul/Pharisee Saul of Tarsus.
But, I think the best course is to just treat Christianity as something positive and not get too hung up on theology.
If Luther had not attempted to reform Christianity it would have died a natural death 500 years ago and that would’ve been the end of it. Maybe western civilization would then have simply resumed where it left off 1000 years earlier and a lot of stupid, pointless religious conflicts among our kind would never have taken place.
Hunter,
Even though I think your black pilling on everything is defeatist, and your strategy of ‘take my ball and go home’ for the election is gay, I am glad to see you back to writing on the site again.
We don’t have to agree for me to see that your concerns are in earnest.
Keep your chin up and try to see the light buddy.
Thank you.
I could be wrong. I suppose we will see.
How do modern day Lutherans reconcile their faith with the anti-Semitism of their faith’s founder? Is this why they’re involved with importing Somalian 3rd worlders into the Whitest states? Is White self hatred how they atone for their founder’s hatred of Jews?
Like I posted elsewhere, I don’t know of any Lutherans who were actually taught about their founder’s take on the Jews. It’s all been swept under the rug. That’s why I was surprised to see that Mr. Owens was actually raised with that knowledge. Perhaps things would be very different if Lutherans had been aware of all of Luther’s writings.
People always say to me, “its the zionists” that cause all the trouble until I point out undisputed facts like this.
The goyim know ‘now’
How was Christ a Jew? The promise of the Jew religion to the Jew people is the subjugation of the non-Jew. If Christ was a Jew wouldn’t have chosen to enslave human kind for the Jews instead of dying on the cross? If Christ was a Jew we would all be Jew slaves. Our freedom is proof Christ was not a Jew.
Christ was the issue of a Jewess and a Roman soldier. Like many such mischlinge, he intensely and inwardly felt and fought through the conflict between Judaistic hate of the natural world and Pagan love of the natural world. Christianity was his solution.
Exactly my point also. Why would God the creator of all want a jewish son who openly destroys, who murders, who denigrates, who lies, who steals, who worship false idols, who openly mocks the son of God, who they murdered.
Not my God evangelists.
Jesus wasn’t a jew, if he were, we’d be just like them.
Jews had a virtual monopoly on usury, sorcery and international trade in the middle ages. They weren’t weak as they say in school. Alot of them were doctors who could kill the king/
There is a very easy way to reconcile Christians who worship Jesus Christ, a man who was brought up in Judaism. Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah in Revelations; He is the redeemer that God promised Adam and Eve would deliver us all from everlasting death. Remember that He is also referred to as the Lamb of God? Well, Jews were the people chosen to sacrifice the Lamb of God. Filled with stiff-necked pride, they were the only people on Earth with enough hubris to do it.
Let’s face it, if Jesus was preaching anywhere else on Earth, performing His signs and wonders, the people would bow down and worship Him as God on Earth. Asia, Africa, Europe; the outcome would be the same.
I have to laugh at the Jewish comedian who had wished Jesus had gone to Rome, figuring the Romans would feed him to the lions. Bullshit. When the Devil tempted Jesus during His forty day fast, he took Him to a mountain top and showed Him the power and wealth of the world and said all of that would be His if he bowed down and worshipped the Devil. The Devil was showing him visions of the mightiest superpower of that era; Rome.
ALL of Jesus interactions with Gentiles ended up with some sort of faith in Him evidenced on their part. From the woman who begged for crumbs of His mercy towards her sick daughter to the Roman centurion who recognized His divine authority and announced his belief that all Jesus had to do was say the word and his servant would be healed.
Last but not least, the Three Wise Men whose study of the stars told them that the Blessed Redeemer foretold to Adam and Eve had been born and came to worship the Holy Infant were Zoroastrians from Aryan Persia.
If you read the Old Testament, especially the Book of Job, it is clear that Jews believe that both good and evil come from God AKA Yahweh and that the dead are as dirt, conscious of nothing. Satan was nothing more than an accuser whom God allowed to test Job.
Well, Zoroastrianism brought the concept of a Good and Loving God AKA El Shaddai versus an Evil and Hateful Entity AKA Satan. The idea of an afterlife for good souls in the Elysium Fields and bad souls in the Fire of Tartarus pretty much echo Jesus’ parable about the Evil Rich Man and Lazarus the Beggar.
So, I don’t see any conflict or paradox between Gentile Christians and Jesus Christ who was obviously executed by the Jews, because He was perceived to be too alien and threatening to the interests of the scribes and Pharaisees who ran Judea at the time.
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be safe everyone , multiculturalism is our most dangerous foe …but coming in at number 2 seems to be the CIA spooks who can get away with walking into places and shooting groups of people with some brainwashed patsy to blame it all on in the end.
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