American Mind: Recovering America: What’s at Stake in the Ahmari-French Debate

Ryan P. Williams:

“Both sides, for different reasons, are confused about the “liberalism” of the Founding and its teaching for the Right today.

Ahmari’s libertarian-leaning critics of various stripes seemed most appalled by his suggestion that the Right fight to win: “‘The only way is through’—that is to say, to fight the culture war with the aim of defeating the enemy and enjoying the spoils in the form of a public square re-ordered to the common good and ultimately the Highest Good.” …

In other words, the individual and corporate responsibilities and duties that formed the necessary basis of the common good were not subjectively up for grabs. The “goods,” individual and common—secured and vouchsafed by civic partnership in America at the state and national level—were outlined and circumscribed by a moral and natural law knowable by reason, and aided and secured by certain religious teachings and practices.

Contrary to a certain strand of anti-or-post-liberalism on the Right, the “liberalism” of the Founding does not run in a straight line to Drag Queen Storytime. Americans who still want to be for both God and country have an American political philosophy and tradition from which to draw. …”

This is a good article.

I want to expand though on this last paragraph. I would argue that there is a strand of the American Founding that runs in a straight line to Drag Queen Storytime. Specifically, it runs from the culture of the East to Drag Queen Storytime against the resistance of the South.

Does this division sound familiar to you?

“But the Roundhead, at once a religious fanatic and a political agitator and reformer, could conceive of no government but the rule of the Saints, and form no other idea of the principles of civil liberty than what the levelling philosophy of the covenant taught. A bigot in faith and an idealist in speculation, his sentiments were violent and his convictions impracticable. A visionary from principle and a revolutionist from interest, his prejudices allowed no compromise, while his passions fed equally the flame of his cupidity and ambition. Austere in his morals and inflexible in his principles, he set up his own conduct as the standard of right, and sought to dictate the opinions and control the convictions of others. Rude in his manners and morose in his disposition, he practiced the profoundest dissimulation, while attaining credit for sincerity, and concealed his real character and designs under the cloak of hypocrisy. . . .”

Such was the debate in 1862 about their ancestors.

The Founding Fathers were not a homogeneous group. There also wasn’t a single American Revolution. There were three revolutions in the South alone – the South Carolina and Georgia Lowcountry which revolted over the fear that Britain was going to incite a slave rebellion and Indian attacks on the frontier, Tidewater over its chronic debt to British merchants and real estate speculation in the Ohio Country and the civil war between Patriots and Tories in the Backcountry. The Revolution in New England by Yankees was its own affair and the Middle Colonies were full of loyalists and pacifists.

The true founders of the United States were also the people who settled the American colonies in the 17th century, not their descendants who won the American Revolution and ratified the Constitution. They were the ones who laid down the regional cultures which spread west over the next three centuries. The Founding Fathers created a federation of those cultures called the United States under a republican government, not a single homogeneous European-style nation-state. Lincoln attempted to create such a nation-state during the War Between the States and not only did he fail to do so but he widened the existing cultural divisions. The Great Wave of immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries sealed the divide and made it simultaneously ethnic, cultural, religious and ideological.

Jefferson Davis called his enemies “the disturbers of the peace of the world” and pointed to their history since Cromwell’s time which is the understatement of the century as that has been the hallmark of their conduct in international affairs ever since his time:

And it is with these people that our fathers formed a union and a solemn compact. There is indeed a difference between the two peoples. Let no man hug the delusion that there can be renewed association between them. Our enemies are a traditionless and a homeless race; from the time of Cromwell to the present moment they have been disturbers of the peace of the world. Gathered together by Cromwell from the bogs and fens of the North of Ireland and of England, they commenced by disturbing the peace of their own country; they disturbed Holland, to which they fled, and they disturbed England on their return. They persecuted Catholics in England, and they hung Quakers and witches in America.

It would be interesting to hear Jefferson Davis’s take on the possibility of a war with Iran and why it is necessary to preserve a thing called the “rules-based international order” over a mysterious explosion on a Japanese oil tanker in the Gulf of Oman.

The Southern social order was based on republicanism and slavery which made it the conservative and authoritarian section of the United States. It became more conservative and authoritarian over time. In the wake of the American Revolution, free blacks initially had the right to vote in Tennessee and North Carolina, but not only was that later changed but every Southern state outright banned the settlement of free blacks. I’m citing this only as the most obvious example that illustrates how liberty and equality and the doctrine of individual rights did not become a social solvent in the South.

In the East, the social order was based much more on liberalism and free-market capitalism, which is reflected in the fact that Southerners preferred to study the classics while Yankees preferred to study the moderns. Unlike the Southern colonies, the Northern colonies were also founded as utopian societies. They lacked the massive institutional anchor that was slavery and white supremacy which made the South authoritarian and counterbalanced the worse tendencies of liberal democracy. The North has a radically abstract, universalist, utopian and egalitarian streak which has never existed in the South.

New York now has the largest Jewish population in the world outside of Israel. It is this social fact more than anything else that has dramatically accelerated the cultural decomposition of the United States since the mid-20th century. It is simply impossible to disentangle the inherent weaknesses of Northern culture and the triumph of radical social liberalism in the United States from the Jewish Question and from the triumph of our current hostile Jewish elite over the New England WASPs.

The North’s culture has always trended more universalist, more egalitarian, more libertine since the American Revolution, but the arrival of millions of Jews in the United States resentful over thousands of historical slights and their journey up the social ladder into the American elite threw it into overdrive. If it had been snowballing that way before, it became an avalanche after the Second World War when the WASPs were shoved aside. The problem isn’t a new one and things like political correctness and “Drag Queen Story Hour” should be properly seen in their context as merely the latest example of how a hostile and alienated Jewish elite enjoys degrading, demoralizing and antagonizing its host population.

So, that’s how we ended up in this vicious cultural struggle and in this awful place without the “conservative” movement raising a murmur of protest about it over the course of several decades. In hindsight, we can recognize that the American Founding was always flawed. It shouldn’t be uncritically venerated or discarded wholesale. Rather, we should diagnose what worked and what failed and try to solve the problem, but any serious attempt to do so will have to go through the entrenched power of the usual suspects who will scream bloody murder about “racism” and “anti-Semitism.” We’re dealing with people who couldn’t tolerate the likes of Milo Yiannopolis and Laura Loomer.

And … that’s fine. If we are serious about our beliefs and turning this country around, which we owe to our descendants, then there is no avoiding that confrontation. We’re not the problem. The Jews who are injecting poison into our culture to degrade our people are the problem and the definition of victory is discrediting those people and removing them from power over us.

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  1. Your historical and cultural analysis gets stronger all the time, and it’s a pleasure to read. I like to learn, and to have my beliefs challenged. You’ve recently been instructing and challenging me, and I appreciate it.

    The idea of the Jewish elite being the junior partner of the WASP elite until after WWII, when they then took over, is one I keep reading and hearing. Is there a specific person or book you got that idea from? E. Michael Jones has mentioned that particular idea in recent interviews.

    • Read the Culture of Critique trilogy of books by professor Kevin B. MacDonald, and The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine. For a perspective on the constant jewishness of jews towards their host population, read 200 Years Together by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

  2. I see these debates among conservatives as ridiculous, the demographic bomb has gone off and it’s all going to be a moot point soon.

    The Ahmari-French debates on how to proceed is like a 45 year old man thinking that If he figures out the correct workout regime, he can make it to the NFL.

    It doesn’t matter anymore, it’s 3 decades too damn late.

    • Well said, @car jazz! What I see on the ground here, demographically. … Wow. The total infestation of our country with these low-quality vermin; again, I don’t see how this can end in anything but total destruction.

  3. “The North has a radically abstract, universalist, utopian and egalitarian streak which has never existed in the South.”

    The only utopian strain I see here in Dixie is what I call “Agrotopia.” The dream that everybody can be a farmer for a living, extract fabulous wealth from the land, and build the big house that they’ve always wanted, miles from town.

  4. Chris Hedges says the US Empire is finished. It has been contracting since the 1970s. The USA is the next UK.

  5. And furthermore removing them from power when they are much more powerful now then when they displaced the WASPs in the 60s.

    In other words, its not going to happen anymore than the Afrikaners are going to “Take Back South Africa*”. It’s time to get serious and realistic.

    * Or is it “Take South Africa Back”?

  6. Great articles Hunter. Love the southern story line stuff. Here again … trying to save AmeriKa as a whole is impossible, as it would mean the first of maybe 20 + things would be to deport 40 million 3rd world darkies and import 20 million whites from Europe, etc. and of course the wall … then jailing big tech and big pay, ( Paypal, Visa, etc., ) so can you see this happening ? 🙂 Yeah.

    This leaves Balkanization. For us, Confederacy 2.

    There’s no other way and we need to HURRY.

    • I’ve been doing a series of three articles lately for each Southern state: Virgnia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Louisiana and Texas are done.

      Mississippi is tonight. Arkansas, Missouri, West Virginia and Maryland are next week.

      • You’re a ( southern, ) national treasure. I pray God inspires you to do a Confederacy 2.0 series next.

  7. Mr. Wallace,
    Please don’t overlook the importance of the Scots-Irish migration to the New World in the 18th century. Certainly, the slaveholder authoritarians who came largely in the 17th century were critical to the development of the Deep South and much less to that of the country as a whole, but as the following quote from Born Fighting by Jim Webb nicely illustrates, without our Scots-Irish ancestors, we might still be an appendage of Perfidious Albion:
    “Call this war by whatever name you want, but it is not an American rebellion, it is nothing but a Scotch-Irish Presbyterian rebellion”.
    — Hessian captain, 1776

  8. “There … wasn’t a single American Revolution. … The Revolution in New England by Yankees was its own affair ….”

    About two weeks ago, I posted here, at Occidental Dissent, a sort of hunch that Virginia had “hitched onto” New England’s “secession” from Britain. Here’s a timeline …

    1773 – May 10 – Parliament passes the Tea Act

    1773 – December 16 – Boston Tea Party

    1774 – March 25 – Parliament passes the Boston Port Act, to blockade Boston the port of Boston

    1774 – May 20 – Parliament passes the Massachusetts Government Act, to bring the colony under control.

    1774 – June 1 is declared by the Virginia House of Burgesses a day of “Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer” in a show of solidarity with Massachusetts. Outside the House of Burgesses, Virginians pile up teddy bears in front of a handmade sign that reads, “We Love You, Boston, Mass!” (Okay–I made up that last sentence.) Virginia’s Governor Dunmore, in response, dissolves the House of Burgesses.

    1774 – August 1 to 6 — The House of Burgesses, gathered in a tavern, restyles itself the FIRST VIRGINIA CONVENTION. Declares its support for Massachusetts, pledges supplies for Massachusetts, and CALLS FOR A CONGRESS OF THE THIRTEEN COLONIES. Representatives for a Second Virginia Convention are selected.

    1774 – August 25 to 27 – First Provincial Congress of North Carolina. Approves the calling of a Continental Congress and approves a trade boycott to protest British action against New England.

    1774 – September 5 – First Continental Congress convenes in Philadelphia. Peyton Randolph, who had been chosen PRESIDENT OF THE FIRST VIRGINIA CONVENTION, IS ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE CONGRESS. (When health concerns force Randolph to step down, on October 22, he is replaced by Henry Middleton, OF SOUTH CAROLINA.)

    1774 – October 7 – Having been dissolved by the governor, the Massachusetts provincial assembly reorganizes itself as the Massachusetts Provincial Congress.

    1775 – February – British government declares Massachusetts to be in a state of rebellion.

    1775 – March 20 – Second Virginia Convention convenes in Richmond. In his “liberty or death” speech on March 23, Patrick Henry says, “The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field!” This is the only known instance of a Southerner’s use of a term of endearment with respect to New Englanders.

    1775 – April 14 – Pennsylvania Abolition Society Founded

    1775 – April 19 – Battles of Lexington and Concord

    Etc., etc. Notice that the abolitionists seem to have sensed that the North was being drawn into a “Union” with the slaveholding South. They made their views known before the first shots were fired, at Lexington and Concord. Nobody in the South, on the other hand, seems to have been saying, “No, we of the South are part of the Golden Circle, the British Caribbean.”

  9. Drag Queen Storytime is child’s play. Only bigots would stop there. I demand live sodomite demonstrations in the schools. Children should be encouraged to join in. Stop being such a bigot. Everyone should have HIV. Love is love. #Pride

    You may laugh, but this will become true circa 2050.

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