Straight Talk About COVID-19

You are being hysterical.

I’m tired of hearing this charge from conservatives and libertarians.

If you were honest with yourself, you would lay your cards on the table and admit the truth. You would admit to being a liberal. What is the definition of a liberal? A liberal is someone who is ideologically committed to liberty, equality, individualism, rights, selfishness, materialism, etc.

A liberal is someone who believes that our society should be based on liberty. Liberals don’t simply believe that liberty is a great thing. They think it is the only great thing. It isn’t one good in life among others. It is a principle. As a matter of principle, they are dogmatic and inflexible about individual liberty. It is the basis of the liberal social order and cannot be questioned.

Liberals believe that there are no conceivable situations in which other goods like public health during a pandemic might be elevated for a time over individual liberty. It is simply inconceivable to them that liberty should take a backseat to another good in an emergency situation. This is why their minds are clouded by dark conspiracy theories. There must be some kind of wicked plot going on behind the scenes. Those who disagree with them aren’t simply being more practical in their response to the virus.

From the beginning of the coronavirus outbreak in China, non-liberals have looked at the virus and concluded that it is a serious threat. The consensus has been that it is something that our leaders should be taking seriously, which is to say, it is not a nothingburger like other recent viruses (SARS, bird flu, H1N1, Ebola, Zika or the ordinary flu) and it is not a DOOMSDAY VIRUS that will bring about the collapse of civilization on the other end of the spectrum. It falls somewhere in the middle.

The ordinary flu kills on average about 37,000 people a year in the United States. It killed 24,000 people during this flu season. The H1N1 swine flu pandemic killed about 12,000 people. The outer boundary of an extremely bad flu season in the United States is the 2017/2018 flu season during which 61,000 died. SARS killed about 8,400 people in the world. Ebola killed about 11,000 people in Africa. COVID-19 is rapidly exiting “just the flu” territory having passed “nothingburger virus” a month ago.

In the 20th century, there were three influenza pandemics in the United States. The Spanish Flu of 1918/1919 killed 675,000 Americans. The Great Influenza killed more Americans in three separate waves than all the wars of the 20th century combined. There were smaller flu pandemics in 1957-1958 and 1968 which each killed 100,000 Americans. Until very recently in American history, infectious disease was the single greatest threat that killed the most people in our country. The scourges of the past like the plague, cholera, smallpox, yellow fever, malaria and polio were overcome and eliminated by previous generations. Unfortunately, the memory of these public health triumphs in the early 20th century has faded and the status quo has been taken for granted for too long by the present generation.

The hysteria has come from the other side of this debate:

Zman was fond of comparing the coronavirus to getting struck by lightning. It is a hysterical take in the other direction.

Bill Mitchell was fond of comparing the coronavirus to people dying from falling off ladders. Only 36,560 people died last year in traffic accidents.

Ramzpaul was adamant that the 2009 swine flu pandemic was a much bigger deal. COVID-19 has now killed 4x as many people as swine flu.

While the flu truthers have been utterly hysterical in minimizing and downplaying the threat posed by the virus, they have been even more hysterical in their exaggerations about the economy. We’re not just going to take an economic hit from COVID-19 like other countries which have had lockdowns like China, Australia and New Zealand. No, this is even worse than the Great Depression. This is DOOMSDAY for the economy even though the Dow has rebounded from 18,591 at its low to 24,596.

How bad is the economy right now?

The Street:

“U.S. economic growth literally slammed into reverse in the first quarter, registering its first contraction in six years and its sharpest drop since the last recession as the coronavirus pandemic shut down the economy with unprecedented ferocity.

The U.S. Commerce Department reported on Wednesday that first-quarter gross domestic product, the broadest measure of goods and services produced across the economy, contracted at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.8% in the first three months of the year. That was almost a full percentage point more than the 4% contraction expected by economists polled by FactSet. …”

So, a 4.8% contraction in Q1 2020? I was told the economy has totally collapsed. This is even worse than the Great Depression.

China locked down Hubei province for two months. 780 million people in China were locked down to bring the epidemic under control and to eradicate the virus.

The Chinese economy took a 6.8% hit to its GDP.

The economic contraction in the United States is going to be much more severe than it was China. It isn’t because of the lockdown though. Most countries in the world like Australia and New Zealand are emerging from their own lockdowns. The problem in this country is that the hysteria coming from virus minimizers and their desire to downplay and ignore the problem in February for purely ideological reasons has led to the largest epidemic in the world. 1 out of every 3 people on the planet who has the coronavirus is an American. 1 out of every 4 people who have died from coronavirus is also an American.

Liberals have been even more hysterical about the threat that the coronavirus poses to individual liberty. It is a Plandemic by the New World Order to destroy the Constitution and create a global government. Bill Gates is coming to plant microchips in our brains which will track our every move like GPS already does on our smartphones. We have been enslaved by a permanent lockdown. Politicians wanted this to happen to destroy the middle class. The military has taken over the country and the army is in the streets. Every hospital and county coroner in the country is part of the global conspiracy.

I wasn’t wrong.

I wasn’t being hysterical either.

I didn’t panic. I calmly assessed a threat and got it right.

It is these people who are seeing conspiracies everywhere who are being hysterical. In their hysteria, normal people who believe that pandemics are a natural phenomena which have always occurred throughout history and that COVID-19 is more like SARS than the flu are the ones who are being hysterical. They are the ones who are denying the reality of the situation.

The coronavirus WAS a serious threat to public health. It WAS NOT a nothingburger virus like H1N1 or Ebola. It WAS NOT the ordinary flu. It WAS a serious threat to the economy. It should have been taken seriously from the outset by our leaders, but it wasn’t until it was too late. The threat wasn’t taken seriously because our leaders are incompetent and wedded to a liberal ideology which failed them in a real crisis. The mainstream Right or the conservative liberals were afraid of “spooking the markets.” The mainstream Left or progressive liberals were convinced that racism and xenophobia were the real virus. They both blew it because of the blindspots in their own ideology.

Note: Doyle finds out the Dissident Right has become a cross between Bill Mitchell and David Icke and has blown a once in a generation chance to discredit liberalism. LOL.

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  1. Jesus Christ one in three? Leper’s all.

    Note to self build bug out bunker in Kiwiland.

  2. Hunter has hit the big leagues, his long-winded attempt to slam Anglin during the Andrew Anglin – Greg Johnson Covid hoax debate, got highlighted at the top of the right wing intellectual mega-site, Unz Review:

    Congratulations, Hunter … tho too bad it wasn’t one of your best pieces, esp in terms of tl;dr

    It seems USA Vice President Mike Pence has signalled he is part of the ‘Covid is a hoax crowd’ too, with his ostentatious not wearing a mask smack in the middle of the medical staff and patients at the Mayo Clinic

    It was simply epic … As riffed about on 4chan:

    Mike Pence to Mayo Clinic – “I don’t need no stinkin’ mask visiting covid-19 patients and doctors. Come on, you Mayo Clinic guys must see that this coronavirus thing is just a big HOAX.

    Every morning I get the highest-level intelligence briefing in the world, if this wasn’t a nothingburger I sure as heck would know about it.

    Yeah, I know you guys need to play along with the mask routine, BUT gimme a friggin’ break, you guys look like those porn girls with underwear on their faces. Not that I would know, of course.”

    Video of Mike Pence at the Mayo clinic, Mike the only person there with no mask, saying hello to patient Mr Pink Socks:

    • Hate to break it to you, sir, but Hunter/Brad is getting killed by the commenters at the Unz version of his debate article. That is not surprising, as Unz readers tend to express their Trump Derangement Syndrome through logic and evidence, not emotionalism and embarrassment.

      How the aftermath of the covid-19 situation plays out will be a fascinating case study in the true effect of propaganda on an allegedly credentialed population. 74 years of near absolute control of the communications and lethal force apparatuses in the Soviet Union was not enough to maintain a tottering Empire when one brave but flawed man, Boris Yeltsin, stood up to the tanks and special forces killers of that regime.

      Will America produce anyone who can lead the insecure masses against the Oligarchs in a peaceful revolution that makes systemic a risk sharing modus vivendi like my sovereign wealth fund based UBI, or something else that allows the many to live quiet yet productive and happy lives, along with the few who own it all? Stay tuned. I doubt it: hate is easy, thinking is harder, and the ability to discover truths, then act collectively on those truths, has historically been absent. Prove me wrong, people.

      • I’ve read all the comments.

        If you read my review of the Johnson vs. Anglin debate, you will find that I granted there was a legitimate scientific debate about the IFR of COVID-19. I do not agree with the optimists. I think the pessimists are correct.

        If the IFR of COVID-19 is the same as seasonal influenza or even a nasty strain of it like the 2009 H1N1 swine flu pandemic, then it would kill similar numbers of people. 37,000 die in an average flu season. In the worst flu season of the last 50 years, 61,000 people died in the 2017/2018 flu season. COVID-19 deaths are now north of that number in a 45 state national lockdown.

        4/5th of confirmed active cases of coronavirus are unresolved and the global death rate of closed confirmed cases in 20%. An IFR of 0.1% can’t explain a death toll far beyond the range of seasonal influenza.

  3. What makes Bitchy Bill Mitchell and NancyPaul experts on anything? Is Ms. Mitchell even a real person or just a social media comedy account?

    There’s no doubt about it, boomers are/were guilty of having put way too much emphasis on profits and the stawk mawket, even to the exclusion of preserving their racial and national integrity, their children’s financial security, etc. It’s all been mortgaged to the hilt! Everything must go, no reasonable offer refused! “I don’t care about my grandkids’ future, ’cause I’ll be dead by then. Tough it out, snowflakes! I’m going to buy that new Harley and cruise around America, like Peter Fonda in Easy Rider.”

    Meanwhile HW waits in anticipation of having all his grim predictions regarding the Charlie Chan Virus come to pass, so he can “own” the skeptics. Whence comes his morbid obsession with death statistics? No one knows.

    • Your depiction of “Boomers” is insanely stupid, a divisive talking point shat straight out of the anus-like mind of the jew (((Andrew Anglin))).

      Most people of that generation, like every other generation, were and are working stiffs. Most of them never owned a goddamn stock portfolio. Most of them new owned a Harley. Most of them are even now SUPPORTING the younger generations with money, you insufferable White-hating cunt:

      My older relatives and the other “Boomers” were working stiffs. They fucking broke their backs working at factory jobs and other tasks, supporting families, like humans have done from time immemorial. Most of them were fucked over by the system as well when the factories were shipped out.

      Your fantasy “EEEVUL BOOMER” is just another form of the “White privilege” propaganda against Whites you pinheaded useless vermin. You’ve bought 100% into Jew “divide and conquer” lies designed to make us hate our own flesh and blood, our own parents and grandparents, achieving exactly nothing thereby except distraction from our actual enemies.

      “, even to the exclusion of preserving their racial and national integrity, their children’s financial security”

      What the hell are they supposed to do to prevent the immivasion, you fatuous twit? That’s the whole point of “boiling the frog slowly,” this stuff wasn’t visible for a long, long time. The government doesn’t consult with ordinary slobs, nor are regular workers asked if they want to ship the factories they’re working at overseas.

      Nor does the entire people spontaneously rise up to “right the injustice” like in some Hollywood phantasm.

      It is entirely IMPOSSIBLE for countless millions of people to suddenly, randomly, and spontaneously coordinate resistance to a government policy. The New York City Draft Riots of 1863 are a good example of about the most the people can do: riot for a few days in protest over something, then get slaughtered and suppressed. And that bloody futility was the TOP END of unorganized popular resistance.

      It requires large-scale organization, money, skilled leadership, and some measure of power and influence to change the direction of a nation. You’re screaming retardedly at people who had none of the above, who were just as much spectators as we are and had no say over policy.

      What has non-Boomer Dissident Right achieved with its full knowledge and hindsight?


      You’ve done nothing more than the Boomers ever managed to do despite having the advantage of 50 years of additional information and the Internet. The immigration rate hasn’t changed. The government hasn’t been reformed. Your effect has been nil.

      Yet you blame the Boomers for not magically seeing the future and magically preventing it somehow. Congratulations, you’ve convicted them of being humans, and not gods. By the same token, the rest of humanity is also convicted, into the remote past and the illimitable future.

      And you’re a retarded moron with your ridiculous, loathsome accusations that Hunter is somehow “hoping” for more deaths because he can actually perceive the reality of the world to some extent instead of immersing himself in your delusional, pointless drivel.

      You prancing, loathsome, worthless buffoon. You and most of the rest of the right are complete retards. This is why the left has been in control for so long, because you’re too stupid to mount any effective resistance. As stupid and insane as they are, you lot of ciphers somehow manage to be even stupider and more detached from reality.

      The last nationalists with any brains were killed in 1945, overwhelmed after a titanic struggle by endless hordes of retards like you, easily manipulated by your (((masters))) into hating your own kin and believing that down is up and white is black.

      A plague on both your houses, the right and the left. And it looks like exactly that is coming to pass.

    • Big brain centrist comment in 54321

      What is a liberal? Liberty means different things to different people. This is the problem with universal suffrage democracy. Invariably you have more than one vision of what freedom or liberty means, all competing to outvote the other visions.

      For the “modern” leftist to feel free, they must live in a society that uses the authority of the state to enforce public school education to include pro-transgender and pro-gay curriculum and to indoctrinate white people in the cult of self hate over the injustice of slavery and Native American genocide.

      For the modern “conservative” to feel free, he wants the state to enforce a viable free market, to outlaw abortion, and to protect gun rights.

      Both would wish to use the authority of the state to enforce their vision of freedom. The only major difference is that conservatives are a little less enthusiastic about wielding that power and yield to leftists far too often. This doesn’t mean that they are anarchists, however. If you ask a modern leftist, they will claim that conservatives are the uber-authoritarians, and they genuinely believe that. They don’t see modern conservatives as libertarians, because to them, liberty is a federal judge ordering a 6 year old child to have hormone replacement therapy against the wishes of a divorced father.

      I agree with you that the conservative position on this lockdown is Ill-convcieved. I agree with you that this is an example of what the state is good for. But I disagree with you that authoritarianism and libertarianism are concrete philosophies, and I’ll insist that the motivation of US who are pro-lockdown is to be free of worry about catching a disease or losing a loved on to the disease. We are seeking liberation from the consequences of a natural disaster, and thus the security of good health, whereas the conservatives are seeking liberation from duty to their fellow man, and the security of a healthy economy.

  4. Okay. Now that you have joined liberals in declaring yourself smarter than everyone else, how about returning to the political economy tutorials, historic and contemporary, that brought the majority of your commenters here in the first place? Those commentaries had real value in expressing a philosophical rejection of globalist neoliberalism, although refusing to ever suggest any policy or other acts to fight that blight on humanity limited the power of the critiques offered.

    Now that the world is in the process of moving on from the hysteria on both sides of corvid-19, we shall see how it plays out, and be able in 2-3 years to judge which policy responses had merit, in terms of protecting both physical and financial health of all citizens.

    Meanwhile, let us consider how to set up mechanisms to share the social wealth and risk created by our materialistic tendencies, whether private or public, so all can live well and prosper, and in addition we can balance security and freedom, tradition and liberty.

    That is what matters, true equality of opportunity to live without being always at risk from the whims of the powerful. Show that care and concern for the rest of us you once did, before covid-19 turned you into Don Lemon. Donald Trump is not worth losing your humanity, and in reality he cannot and never could have achieved his stated agenda, as TPTB will allow no increase in anyone’s wealth but their own. Stand together, we the 99 percent win, stand apart in propaganda induced hatred of each others, and they will continue to win. I know my choice.

  5. There is no recovering from this.

    The “Dissident Right” is finished.

    The blightwing’s failure to create and sustain a genuine boots on ground movement back in the 60-70’s should have made this obvious more than two decades ago.

    But no, keyboard commandos without money were going to Tweet a dissident movement into existence back in the mid-90s.

    Lotsa Lolz!

    To be sure angry Republicans larping as white nationalists will deny this even as fringe platforms/websites are removed, fringe politics become less relevant, and keyboard political hobbyists are forced, by law and through “private” means, to conform.

    And they will conform because they are utterly dependent upon globalism. Covid 19 has proven this beyond all doubt.

  6. It has become clear now that the people downplaying covid-19 are engaged in a cynical attempt to salvage Zion Don’s political career. Shilling for Trump is the one thing that these people all have in common.

  7. Liberalism is a cancer; it’s a forest fire; it destroys every single thing it touches.

    Dan Bongino

    Unless you think hard about political questions in our culture, you are liberal by default. You have to think your way out of liberalism.

    Heather Mac Donald

    At the heart of liberalism really is a hatred for God and a belief that government should replace God.

    Todd Akin

    Liberalism is the transformation of mankind into cattle.

    Friedrich Nietzsche

    In the druidical religion of liberalism, not separating your recyclables is a sin, but abortion is just a medical procedure.

    Ann Coulter

    Liberalism is really piecemeal socialism, and socialism always attacks three basic social institutions: religion, the family, and private property. Religion, because it offers a rival authority to the state; the family, because it means a rival loyalty to the state; and property, because it means material independence of the state.

    Joseph Sobran

    If Communism was liberalism in a hurry, liberalism is Communism in slow motion.

    Joseph Sobran

    My own party can succeed at the polls only so long as it continues to be the party of militant liberalism.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy … proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism.

    Adolf Hitler

    Europeans are dying out. Don’t you understand that? And same-sex marriages don’t produce children. Do you want to survive by drawing migrants? But society cannot adapt so many migrants.

    Vladimir Putin

    If you are a Christian, you are in danger. If you decided to abandon your faith and become an atheist, you also are to be liquidated according to their concept. You are in danger if you decide to become a Muslim. It is not going to save you anyway because they believe traditional Islam is hostile to their goals.

    Vladimir Putin

    Russia will not soon become, if it ever becomes, a second copy of the United States or England – where liberal value have deep historic roots.

    Vladimir Putin

    Our society, including the liberals, must understand that there must be order.

    Vladimir Putin

    Liberalism Is Obsolete.

    Vladimir Putin

    • All you can do is quote other people, you can’t come up with a statement of your own views and the reasons for them in your own words?

      You’re that totally empty of independent personality?

  8. Cunthair Walrus Hath Be-cum-cum cum-cum a “Branch Covidian”

    From Unz Review:

    Yeah, Wallace has been a disgrace. He’s become such a devout Branch Covidian that he deleted all columns from Occidental Dissent taking the anti-panic view, apparently because he thinks that’s the only way to Save Lives.


    Sounds like the Bi-Polar Bradifer going all Cunthair Walrus is becum-cum cum-cumming obvious. Makes this ZOGtard Bill Mitchell look like a serious pub[l]ic figgr.

    Take your meds, finish “cycling” and cum back deprogrammed from Branch Covidianism. After all the more niggers that die of the ZOG-flu the less that is a nigger looking to take a bite of ZOGling whigger ass-clown — the other white meat.

    See if you can’t get Denise to send you a gallon of condensed chicken noodle soup.

    Hail Victory !!!

    Dichter Von Frankenwhigger
    Renegade Phinehas Priester

  9. I knew when reading the comment section the other day that this post was coming. Most really have no clue what “Liberal” even means and that as an adjective has a positive connotation. But in politics, “conservative” basically means someone who wants to conserve classical liberal values. This has been admitted by almost every contemporary politician and pundit. Yet no one bothers to even remotely think about it

  10. The liberal/conservative paradigm is nonexistent in reality. There is state power and corporate power. We can’t harness corporations to act on our behalf, so our best course of action is to develop blocs that pols will want to court. We should embrace and encourage identity politics: tribalism is human nature. To deny that is to relegate ourselves to more obscurity than we already possess.

  11. Ron Unz is a very shifty Jew. He writes some intetesting articles, but his inner Jew wins out in the end. He has feigned to join the Branch-Covidian Church, but he knows better. I bet they paid him handsomely to puff this hoax. It doesn’t help his credibility that he is allowing the Fed Eric Striker to post his communist articles on the site.

    I just don’t know the going rate. I could set up a site and see what they offer me to puff the hoax, but nah, I will just keep doing honest work. Once you take the federal money you are morally tainted.

    • Ron Unz is a very shifty Jew.

      I don’t trust him at all. What’s more likely: he wants to see the pro-white movement or succeed or he wants to keep contained by associating it with all manner of conspiratard lunacy? If it wasn’t for Sailer, I’d have little reason to ever visit that fever swamp; I hope for Sailer’s sake the shekels have been worth hitching his wagon to it. (Unz admits to paying him.)

  12. Every time I look at Hannity I think to myself, ” I can’t believe this guy makes 40 million per year doing what he does.” It is beyond staggering and literally solidifies the mind boggling gap between the wealthy and everyone else in this day and age. It’s too big of a gap and why socialist policies knock on the door of this country. Soon, any politician pushing a ubi will be loved. This extra 2 bucks per hour to do dangerous jobs is a laughing stock.

    Like Trump, guys like Bill Mitchell, Hannity and others like them are know it alls. Most here will agree with much( certainly not all) of what they say but it all has become repetitive and boring. Simply too much air time. It’s okay to say you don’t know about something, guys!

    • Yeah, in no way does he bring that much value to society. I didn’t know he made that much money. I guess his bosses in the Tribe consider the misdirection he provides to be pretty valuable, though.

      • Exactly, Powell. The key word you mentioned is value. Fox news is a juggernaut bringing in over one billion per year in advertising/cable dollars. Hannity, for whatever reason, is viewed as the Dick Clark of conservatism. Meanwhile his cohort,Tucker Carlson, is far better and far more interesting. I will give Fox some credit for keeping Tucker around when the left occasionally goes nuts over a truthful statement he made and seeks to fire him.

        I used to think truly valuable people get rewarded. Then reality bitch slapped me. Valuable people are not rewarded. Guys who get other people richer are rewarded but society does not reward valuable people and because of it America is crumbling.

        This is why LeBron James or Tom Brady are so well known. They are obscenely wealthy doing unimportant things yet far more valuable humans will never touch them in wealth. Thus, James and Brady are viewed as the stars and the scientists, firemen, police, truckers, pilots, nurses are the whatevers. Reality of course would point to the ball stuffers, ball hitters and pork ball throwers as the whatevers. The coronavirus would also back that up.

        Capitalism still offers some good things but it’s become Frankenstein. It’s also why we gave away our manufacturing base to a bunch of communists in China. They said they would do it cheaper and piggy capitalists happily went along with it. No shock. It’s the same mentality that pays a Sean Hannity 40 million per year to gossip and promote conservatism incorporated while far more important people get paid Jack. The bill is coming due for all this madness and we don’t have it.

  13. One of the aspects of this COVID-19 that Americans who want to totally open up the country don’t understand is that this virus might cause permanent health problems for those unlucky enough to contract it even though they don’t die from it. I am hearing cases of people who continue to have neurological problems, heart problems, and lung problems after they’ve been “cured” of the virus.

    Also, we don’t know if victims who had the virus and contracted it again were reinfected by others or if the virus reactivated in them because they were still carrying it in their bodies even though they were allegedly cured.

    There is still too much that we don’t know about this virus, and I believe this warrants much caution.

  14. Bill Mitchell is the embodiment of everything wrong with contemporary conservatism.
    I’ve never encountered a more conceited puke than Mitchell. He irritates me just a whisker less than Ramsey Paul.

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