Secular Talk Defends Joe Biden’s Withdrawal From Afghanistan

Who cares?

We’re out of Afghanistan and that is all that matters. This is also one of the most peaceful sacks and conquests that I can remember. It is usually a lot worse than this.

Glenn Greenwald:

“The Taliban regime is coming to an end,” announced President George W. Bush at the National Museum of Women in the Arts on December 12, 2001 — almost twenty years ago today. Five months later, Bush vowed: “In the United States of America, the terrorists have chosen a foe unlike they have faced before. . . . We will stay until the mission is done.” Four years after that, in August of 2006, Bush announced: “Al Qaeda and the Taliban lost a coveted base in Afghanistan and they know they will never reclaim it when democracy succeeds.  . . . The days of the Taliban are over. The future of Afghanistan belongs to the people of Afghanistan.”

For two decades, the message Americans heard from their political and military leaders about the country’s longest war was the same. America is winning. The Taliban is on the verge of permanent obliteration. The U.S. is fortifying the Afghan security forces, which are close to being able to stand on their own and defend the government and the country. …

On September 4, 2013, then-Lt. Gen. Milley — now Biden’s Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — complained that the media was not giving enough credit to the progress they had made in building up the Afghan national security forces: “This army and this police force have been very, very effective in combat against the insurgents every single day,” Gen. Milley insisted.

None of this was true. It was always a lie, designed first to justify the U.S’s endless occupation of that country and, then, once the U.S. was poised to withdraw, to concoct a pleasing fairy tale about why the prior twenty years were not, at best, an utter waste. That these claims were false cannot be reasonably disputed as the world watches the Taliban take over all of Afghanistan as if the vaunted “Afghan national security forces” were china dolls using paper weapons. But how do we know that these statements made over the course of two decades were actual lies rather than just wildly wrong claims delivered with sincerity? …”

Biden was misinformed by the “intelligence community” and Gen. Milley and the rest of these generals. So was Obama and Trump who were given the same runaround by the national security establishment.

Isn’t it interesting how some progressives sound like traditional conservatives on this issue and have learned something from history and experience and some conservative sound like starry eyed progressives who have learned nothing from this twenty year misbegotten occupation?

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17 Comments

    • Biden’s people obviously held secret backchannel negotiations with the Taliban in order to end the occupation as quickly and painlessly as possible. He may come out looking like a hero for doing what Trump promised to do but was too goddamn stupid to accomplish. I’m just wondering if the ntelligence big shots were left out of those secret talks?

  1. Well, they sent troops back in to secure the airport. They have 120,000 they want to airlift over here, to enrich us. Texas and Wisconsin are going to experience much vibrancy and enrichment.

  2. It does not pay to be America’s friend. Just ask the Kurds, the South Vietnamese, the Iraqis, and now the Afghans. The bad thing about it is American military escapades always create hordes of non-whites immigrants who invade Europe!

    • There’s a base in Tajikistan or Uzbekistan that can do what Bagram does. No need.

  3. @ afghanistan now belongs to china, it is essential too them, the road too armegeddon, goes thru afghanistan.

    • The Silk Road from China to the Mediterranean and Black Seas through Central Asia existed for millennia and China never gained any territory by it. Not all trade is not conquest or exploitation. Read and learn accurate history, instead of Fox News nonsense.

      Terry, here is an excellent thread with accurate history of Western (mostly British) imperialism in Afghanistan: https://twitter.com/justinpodur/status/1427319555085553664

      • @ anonymous, thanks will check it out, btw, I gave up television twelve years ago, I don’t watch Fox news or care to be associated with it, I don’t run with the herd.

    • @ I cannot help but think, they must have planned activity elsewhere, south china sea? American intelligence, walking away from the dope trade? Neocons, contractors, overall military/industrial complex interest, afghanistan rich in natural resources, it’s also pipeline alley, our WAR PIGS, must have other priorities, now.
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  4. Biden was simply putting in the work to end White supremacy, by removing the mostly White troops from a POC country. The media is suffering from White fragility and can’t handle seeing strong POC leaders like the Taliban.

  5. ‘with the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan, America is now less safe’………that’s why you need SECURE borders! Well duh….
    Avoiding useless wars and having border integrity will keep the West safe.
    The left are appalled by the pullout, and are now calling for a ‘humanitarian intake of refugees who helped us’. That’s code for mass invasion in case you were wondering. Why can’t a neighbouring Muslim nation take them? They are more religiously and culturally compatible with them.

  6. I predicted all of this as far back as….

    That worst ever “Rambo III” movie where American patriotard hero Johnny Rambo played by Sylvester Stallone went off to join these same Afghan Mountain Muslim “freedom fighters” (more like tp and soap avoiding savages) to fight the evil White Racist Russians the same as we fought the supposed evil White racist NAZIs.

    I’m like:

    “What the F*&# – who could believe this nonsense”?

    But that’s Amurikuns.

    I’m 25% Russian, my grandfather fought in the White army against Trotsky’s Red Army Bolsheviks.

    I’ve never had much problem recognizing who’s side we should be on.

    Figuring out everything about the JQ was rough, but I did.

    The fact that the American, international J elite is working every day to flood our remaining White nations, societies with these filthy, 8th century mountain Muslim Jihadists was hard to understand – it couldn’t be true.But it is.

    The Js hate us and want our societies to be multi cultural chaos societies so Whites won’t notice the J elites that enslave us.

    That’s life.

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