Greg Johnson is extremely ass blasted that so much of the Dissident Right is unwilling to join him in his own long standing personal obsession with Ukraine.
“The people in the broad Dissident Right who have been supporting Russia in the Ukraine War were deeply concerned. As with the Ukraine War itself, once again they were all repeating the same talking points. They were all “praying” for Gonzalo Lira.
I think Andrew Anglin was praying for him. I think Mike Enoch was praying for him. He’s not the praying kind of guy, but he was praying for Gonzalo Lira. Who else? Brittany Sellner was praying for Gonzalo Lira. Hunter Wallace was praying for Gonzalo Lira. Personally, if I were the praying kind of guy, I’d be saving my prayers for the people of Ukraine. …
Yet we have idiots on the Right who say that we’d be better off under Russian rule. No, we’re actually better off under liberal democracy than we would be under an authoritarian, civic-nationalist, race-mixing regime, because under liberal democracy, we still have more freedom to speak out and organize.
The idea that we’d be better off under an authoritarian, Christian-branded, conservative-branded, multiracial civic nationalism is the dumbest take on the planet. But thousands of people on the broader Dissident Right are willing to buy this message because they put Christianity, conservatism, and indulging their own authoritarian personalities above the survival of the white race. …”
I’ve used that image from Cathy Young’s latest article on Coach Red Pill over at The Bulwark. Johnson and Young are united in their belief that Russia is the greatest threat to the West. Johnson has publicly said that Russia is the greatest threat to White survival on earth.
“Last week, on April 21, Scott Ritter—whom older readers might remember as a former U.N. weapons inspector turned ferocious foe of American and Western foreign policy—posted an angry screed on RT.com (the web version of what’s left of the propaganda outlet Russia Today) ringing the alarm about the disappearance of Gonzalo Lira, a Chilean-American pro-Russia “social media influencer” and video blogger based in Kharkiv, Ukraine. Lira had not been heard from since April 15 and had even missed a scheduled appearance on a show hosted by George Galloway, the far-left former British member of Parliament and fellow RT personality who has never met an anti-Western tyrant he didn’t like. Ritter dramatically revealed that “Gonzo” Lira had expressed concern that the authorities in Kyiv were “looking for him” and noted that Volodymyr Zelensky had recently promised “consequences for collaborators.” “And now,” Ritter continued ominously, “Gonzo Lira had gone missing”—presumably a victim of kidnapping, torture, and likely murder by the Ukrainian Nazis. …”
The divide goes beyond the Dissident Right.
Most of the Populist Right up to influencers like Tucker Carlson and members of Congress like Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene are deeply skeptical of American involvement in the war in Ukraine. Sentiment in this corner of the internet ranges from a minority that is explicitly pro-Russia (Fuentes and Anglin) to a majority that is generally anti-imperialist and non-interventionist (Tucker Carlson).
There is also a loud minority of NatSoc types that are deeply anti-Russia for understandable reasons. Putin himself has justified the war in Ukraine as a campaign against Nazism. Nazis really are persecuted in Russia. From what I understand, calling someone a “Nazi” is the greatest of all insults over there. The ideology is unpopular in Russia due to the 27 million people who died in World War II and it is also associated with the Ukrainian nationalists in western Ukraine who collaborated with the Nazis. The situation in Mariupol is getting desperate where the Azov Battalion is making a last stand.
Putin tends to be unpopular with actual Nazis who were deeply offended by his rally.
I think this is the crux of the issue.
Western nationalists are divided over Nazism. Some are sympathetic while most are indifferent or hostile. Ukraine is the rare issue that unites Western Neo-Nazis who are pulling for Azov and Jewish liberals who are pulling for Zelensky. Nowhere else on earth are they on the same side.
In the United States, there are people who are pro-White, but who come from different backgrounds. There are some people who are pro-White because of the tradition of Neo-Nazism in the United States that goes back to George Lincoln Rockwell and further back to groups like the German American Bund and the Silver Shirts. There are far more people, particularly in the South, who are pro-White because that is part of their own ethnic identity, which stretches back through the time of Jefferson and deep into the colonial era. From a states’ rights perspective, I am more sympathetic to Ukrainian federalism, but my overall take is that I am so far removed from this region that I want nothing to do with the war.
Greg Johnson claims to be a White Nationalist and an ethnonationalist. He uses the terms interchangeably. He has a tendency to flatten the differences between European ethnic groups. Ukrainians are “White people” albeit with a Jewish president and a Jewish-dominated government fighting the Russian hordes. The Ukrainian ethnic group, which is based in western Ukraine where the language is spoken, should also dominate all of Ukraine including the southern and eastern parts where Russian is spoken. The Ukraine is also a real country even though it has existed as an independent nation only since around the breakup of Yugoslavia. The cities in southern and eastern Ukraine were founded and settled by Russians not unlike how Americans expanded west across North America in the 19th century.
Speaking as a Southern nationalist, the first thing that occurs to me is that I have no Ukrainian ancestry whatsoever. I don’t speak the Ukrainian or Russian languages. I haven’t read Ukrainian literature. I have never been to either of these countries. I live over 5,600 miles away from Ukraine in the Western hemisphere. I’m pretty well versed in European history and even I know little about the Ukraine. I have never taken an interest in that part of Europe because I don’t have ancestors from there. I don’t live in a country that has ever had close ties to Ukraine. I can’t remember a time in my life when Americans have expressed much interest in what goes on in Ukraine prior to 2022. Even a year ago, Ukraine wasn’t on the mind of Americans. Unlike Greg Johnson, I don’t think I am in a position to be a Ukrainian nationalist. I have no blood or soil ties to Ukraine. I can’t identify with Ukraine in the abstract way that he does.
There has always been wars between Russia and its neighbors in that part of Europe. These wars have never involved Americans because we have no vital interest at stake in the region. We don’t have close ethnic, cultural, religious, historical, economic or strategic ties to Ukraine. The idea that Ukraine is a “fledgling liberal democracy,” which is the excuse being used by the liberal press to justify our involvement, is farcical. Ukraine was a part of the Russian Empire from the Founding of the United States until the 1990s. We weren’t willing to fight Russia over Poland and Hungary at the height of the Cold War.
Greg Johnson is an “ethnonationalist,” but that doesn’t include Christianity, which Greg has decided is not part of our ethnic identity. It doesn’t include republicanism or civic nationalism either. It doesn’t include conservative cultural values. Indeed, it doesn’t include much interest at all in our own ethnicity, which informs our perspective on the Ukraine and from which Greg is alienated. Ukrainians are “White people” and there is no difference between White people in North America and White people on the Pontic steppe because the distinction between racial nationalism and ethnonationalism has been erased here.
Finns, Poles, Balts and Hungarians are going to have a different view of Russia and Ukraine for obviously valid historical and strategic reasons. We can’t simply erase these distinctions for the sake of idealistic notions of racial solidarity that don’t map on to the history and culture of the region. Americans don’t have the same interests at stake in the Ukraine as Russia and its other neighbors. It is morally obscene to suggest that we have same duties to the Ukraine that we have to our own people.
Americans would be best served by returning to our own Jeffersonian-Jacksonian foreign policy tradition. This is another European war like the Crimean War between clashing empires in which Ukraine is the spoils. Ukraine’s ambition is to join the European Union. Therefore, the European Union should fight Russia over Ukraine, which by itself is more than capable of balancing against Russia. Americans shouldn’t be in the business of creating fake countries in Europe like Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and most recently Kosovo. We shouldn’t be creating military bases in the Baltic states or putting nuclear weapons in Poland. Liberal internationalism benefits the Baltic states, Poland and now Ukraine far more than Americans. Now that communism is dead, it only entangles us in all of these ancient regional blood feuds.
Greg Johnson has close personal ties to various nationalist groups in Ukraine. He is far more deeply engaged in this war than everyone else due to these ideological connections. Ethnonationalism for the Populist Right, however, means putting America First which means staying out of this conflict. It is a bad development for us for a host of reasons. We see little upside to being so deeply involved and great potential for this war to escalate in unpredictable and undesirable ways. International Neo-Nazism isn’t our cause which is driving most of the anti-Russia animus.
To be crystal clear, Ukrainians have every right to defend their country and no one can be faulted for defending their homeland. We also have every right to stay out of their war and focus on our own affairs because their interests in this war are not aligned with our own.