I’m going to respond directly to this comment.
“NS” types seem to come here every single day to ask for this debate. So lets have it.
“Anyone with half a brain can see that national socialism and Trumpism are and must be opposed.”
I fully agree.
MAGA is a political movement.
MAGA has achieved considerable political success.
In this sense, “NS” couldn’t be more different than MAGA. “NS” isn’t a political movement. There are no “NS” candidates. There are no “NS” campaigns. There aren’t any “NS” organizations. Instead, “NS” is focused on convincing Americans NOT to engage in politics, or to support the Left. It is a nihilistic subculture that is focused entirely on losing at politics, business, relationships, life, etc.
I’ve gone out of my way to emphasize that “NS” claims to be associated with Hitler and historic National Socialism, but that it strikes me as having little in common with the original movement. I will repeat again that the “NS” fandom as it exists in America has nothing to do with Germany under National Socialism.
“National socialism creates a Volksgemeinschaft by breaking down sectarian and class barriers. Trumpism turns whites against one another based on class and religion.”
Is this true?
Does “NS” present itself as a White American folk movement? Is it an American nationalist movement? Does it romanticize American culture? Does it use American symbols?
No, that is far more true of MAGA. “NS” is deeply anti-American. It spurns American symbols. It denigrates American culture. “NS” podcasters tend to look down on Americans as whiteoids, rubes, creekshitters, etc. It is a “nationalist” movement for alienated, antisocial weirdos who dislike their nation.
It is Trumpism that resonates with White people of all classes. The majority of the White working class and White middle class voted for Trump. Lots of wealthy White people supported Trump. A majority of White men and White women voted for Trump. In contrast, “NS” appeals to a much narrower demographic … single childless men who are overwhelmingly secular or pagan, many of whom are deeply anti-Christian, who are miserable, socialized by internet ghettoes and who have lost touch with reality.
“National socialism practices kindness to animals. Trumpists ban lab-grown meat so that farmers can make a cheap buck from slaughtering animals. …”
Well, I guess it is true that MAGA isn’t trying to impose veganism on White people, but this only goes to show how weird and bizarre “NS” has become that it speaks to people like that. “NS” strongly appeals to conspiracy theorists, criminals, cranks, weirdos, sociopaths, antisocial contrarians, etc.
“National socialism is a modern, scientific movement that advocates for eugenics. Trumpism embraces backward anti-scientific ideas and opposes eugenics. …”
MAGA appeals to White families who actually have children.
“NS” appeals to bitter single White men who are divorced or childless. It appeals to incels. It appeals to people who are not married and who are unsuccessful in relationships. I don’t see people who are “NS” reproducing which is why I tend to discount their opinions on eugenics.
“National socialism promotes physical fitness and healthy living through institutions like the Hitler Youth. Trumpism has no such institutions, instead selling the false promise of “MAHA.”
“NS” has nothing to do with historic National Socialism or the Hitler Youth.
When Americans think of “NS,” they think of LARPing wignat groups like Blood Tribe screaming on Main Street. They think of Handsome Truth screaming at teenage girls on Omegle.
“Trumpism lies to whites, promising them a paradise and delivering a desert.”
MAGA is in power because it is a political movement that has embraced popular causes which it rode to victory. In contrast, “NS” bizarrely presents itself to White people as a force that supports Antifa, which supports putting the Left in power to make life more miserable for White America.
“National socialism is the answer.”
“NS” appeals to antisocial weirdos.
I can’t think of anything that better summarizes the state of the “movement” than the recent contrarian embrace of Antifa. It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that “NS” will shift into whatever shape is required to stay fringe, weird, marginalized and politically toxic to White people. It rejects popular causes in favor of appealing to the most loathsome White people in America.
Note: I should emphasize here that I think people who are already antisocial misfits are drawn to “NS” because it is taboo and because they want to be shocking. They want to give society a middle finger. That’s the impulse and mindset behind it. This explains the goon march theatrics which is entirely about self expression and how it makes the people doing it feel. The goal is not to win over the masses, organize or achieve political power. “NS” is an apolitical or anti-political fandom that rejects politics.
There is a genuine NS movement on Gab. No one speaks or has the opinions you allege they do. Which makes me wonder, how do you ge the idea NS people think as you think they do?
Perhaps if people are messaging you directly, they simply aren’t the example of the movement you think they are.
You say so yourself – the people you are referring to do not seem to connect with Hitler’s original thoughts and movement, and well, if that is the case, they are not genuine NS, so shouldn’t be referred to as that.
And such people have a name “Neo-Nazis” if you like. Those that align with a caricature, not the real thing.
You’ll know a real National Socialist when you find a person whose guiding light is that they support what is good for White people, and do not support what is not. This allows a figure like Trump to be supported for the good he does, and for him to be held accountable for the bad.
How that nets out with ‘MAGA’ will find a range of opinions, but that is what we would expect for a movement that gains some wins for White people on the one hand, but still replaces Whites via mass legal migration on the other, and who offers slavish service to Jews every second of the day, which may or may not yet send millions of Whites to die in their service.
National Socialism and National Socialists are not positioned to win the day at this point, or for the forseeable future, you have that correct, but this does not mean that National Socialists and National Socialism do not have a lot to offer pro-White movements that are more likely to find immediate success.
Truth about ww2 and Hitler have immense power to ‘free’ the White race, and it is important truth in these areas are advanced to help us Whites recover ourselves and our self belieft.. to know “who we are” as we are not the monsters propganda made us out to be. But similarly, National Socialists can talk to how dangerous Jews are, and how much damage Jews and diversity do to sustainable White existence. How important it is that we have laws, procedures, economics, politics, media and so on in place to make sure, as we regain ourselves and our lands, we don’t leave ourselves open to repeat the mistakes of the past.
You do undertstand simply recovering White lands, but leaving Jews and diverity unrestricted inside of them is not going to do enough to secure the future of Whites right? The ideas and understandings of National Socialism will be on hand for those times via their being kept alive, and gaining adherents over time. That isn’t to say National Socialsits will write the future, or secure it, or people will live under such a system. But if we take important pieces from it, that are compatible with broader White Nationalist ideas, then we can be all the stronger for it.
Genuine National Socialists are not “National Socialism or bust”, we are “lets save the White race under any and all banners that can do so”, that are in alignment with the spirt of our people, that do not hang our people out to dry.
He probably gets them from some of the ones who show up here regularly. Say what you will, but OD is fairly open to different opinions. We also have a regular shill and apologist for the Kosher Nosetra and Clown World (of which Trump is a member). These paragraphs make some excellent points:
> n this sense, “NS” couldn’t be more different than MAGA. “NS” isn’t a political movement. There are no “NS” candidates. There are no “NS” campaigns. There aren’t any “NS” organizations. Instead, “NS” is focused on convincing Americans NOT to engage in politics, or to support the Left. It is a nihilistic subculture that is focused entirely on losing at politics, business, relationships, life, etc.
All too true for far too many. They’re only destroying themselves – something nearly every jew on earth celebrate with glee.
> I’ve gone out of my way to emphasize that “NS” claims to be associated with Hitler and historic National Socialism, but that it strikes me as having little in common with the original movement. I will repeat again that the “NS” fandom as it exists in America has nothing to do with Germany under National Socialism.
Also true. Despite the spectacular failure, they did really accomplish some things. The historic NS *should* be examined and analyzed to see what worked and what went wrong. The subject also should not be narrowed to Germany either. Germany was not even the first national-socialist state. China’s Kuomingang was and they ruled (spottily) from 1912 to 1949 in China, and then in Taiwan until the 1990s. They’re worth looking into also. HW, with his articles on Huey Long, even touches upon some ideas that could be an anetcedent for an American flavor of the same basic political ideas.
I’m responding to the “NS” activists who I see every day in this website, X, Telegram and various other platforms. I’m not commenting on Germany in the early 20th century. These people are virtually all Americans.
MAGA and Trump are a judeo-zio construct. Always has been.
Bibi is making his 4th visit to the White House to give Zion Don his marching orders.
yes. Trump is total Jewish bullshit 100%. Evangelical Cuckery can do nothing to help us.
“…I’m responding to the “NS” activists who I see every day in this website, X, Telegram and various other platforms…”
I suspect a very large majority of these are some sort of paid agents and provocateurs. I also suspect that a majority of Whites are NS. Just not the kind that have tattoos on their face. They want to not have mass immigration from the third world and they would like some sort of profit sharing, “socialism”, so that the wealthy do not corral ALL the wealth. And let us note the wealthy, some, maybe a lot, possibly a whole lot, use the government to increase their wealth at the expense of the middle class. Mass immigration a simple enough example and more complicated is the financial manipulations of the banks and large corporations.
BTW someone made a nice tidy collection of these sort ad their machinations here,
https://web.archive.org/web/20110224172711/http://jewise.wordpress.com/jews-posing-as-neo-nazis/
LOL. MOM LOOK WE’RE BIG ON…GAB
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA fucking terminal losers
@LGH:
The popularity of socialism in the Democrat Party makes Zohran Mamdani a shoe in for Mayor of NYC since he already won the primary. Socialists are also winning office in other states that tend purple or blue.
Not surprising since unfettered capitalism has devastated America with in-sourcing dot Indians for any positions not outsourced to China and India. We are seeing the late stages of it in crony capitalism (or oligarchy) and even vulture capitalism where you have a bunch of property management companies buying up the most run-down trailer parks and promptly hiking up the lot rent.
Mamdani won his primary by promising to reduce rents and groceries by co-opting many of Jimmy McMillan’s “The Rent Is Too Damn High” party. We have forty percent (or higher and I think it’s much, much higher) unemployment for college stem graduates thanks to H1B visa abuse. They got student loans to finance what is a huge bill of goods.
I DO believe that some form of National Socialism will be government policy but that can only happen with a different label. Whether or not the West becomes jaded with the Holocaust narrative, thanks to the demonization of Hitler, many of the things his movement appropriated like the term “Aryan,” the swastika, and even Pagan culture, National Socialism will scare and repel the Normies, even the most right-leaning conservative normies.
The American Communist Party had to infiltrate the institutions as well as the Democrat Party, purging its more conservative and even its moderate members. The Democrat Party has pretty much adapted all of the Communist Party platforms and even then, they call themselves Progressives with the more left-leaning calling themselves Democratic Socialists.
In Belarus, President Alexander Lukashenko instituted “National Bolshevism.” He has preserved all the statues and street names of Bolshevik Leaders and he has maintained any laws against “Antisemitism,” but permits all religions to practice within strict limits. They must be registered and register other activities. He also keeps a tight, centralized approach to big business.
I believe he thought he could cover his behind by preserving the Communist symbols and icon, but his protectionist approach shielding his own people from predatory business practices and his suspicious dislike of globalism which he views as another version of imperialism paints a target on his back with the EU and NATO as well as the USA.
National Bolshevism (which appears to be National Socialism under any other name but Hitler’s) probably has not been adopted in America thanks to it being co-opted by Matt Heimbach.
Again, finding a new label for National Socialism with some kind of thoughtful organization to keep out any flakes or quietly purge any flakes that may infiltrate it will have to be done before it makes any kind of comeback. But I think some form of National Socialism is inevitable due to how disaffected Americans have become with unfettered capitalism and communism.
>No, that is far more true of MAGA. “NS” is deeply anti-American. It spurns American symbols. It denigrates American culture. “NS” podcasters tend to look down on Americans as whiteoids, rubes, creekshitters, etc. It is a “nationalist” movement for alienated, antisocial weirdos who dislike their nation.
National socialism denigrates those parts of American culture that are degenerate. When Hitler took power, he burned degenerate books, not just those written by Jews, because he understood that building the Volksgemeinschaft meant rooting out degeneracy. National socialism is a patriotic movement in so far as Americanism means white race purity, manly pride, responsible gun ownership, the pioneering spirit, scientific excellence, freedom from state churches, anti-monarchism and traditional family values. If Americanism means junk food, Judeo-Christianity, and race mixing, national socialism will be anti-American and rightly so.
>Well, I guess it is true that MAGA isn’t trying to impose veganism on White people, but this only goes to show how weird and bizarre “NS” has become that it speaks to people like that. “NS” strongly appeals to conspiracy theorists, criminals, cranks, weirdos, sociopaths, antisocial contrarians, etc.
Become? Animal welfare has always been part of the national socialist worldview. Hitler never forced anyone to be a vegetarian, but he advocated voluntary vegetarianism and would be horrified with bans on lab-grown meant.
>“NS” appeals to bitter single White men who are divorced or childless. It appeals to incels. It appeals to people who are not married and who are unsuccessful in relationships. I don’t see people who are “NS” reproducing which is why I tend to discount their opinions on eugenics.
Most divorced men have children, which is it, are we bitter divorced men or not reproducing? To the extent that there is truth in your accusation, it is the fault of feminism and Judeo-Christianity teaching women to hate their race.
“National socialism denigrates those parts of American culture that are degenerate.”
Does anyone else see the irony of a bunch of “NS” weirdos like Handsome Truth who is known for chatting with teenage girls on Omegle attacking normal White middle class people who are married and have children and who own their own businesses? Many of these “NS” groups even overlap with Satanists. The troon shooter in Minneapolis who attacked that Catholic Church had shoutouts to Robert Bowers and Brenton Tarrant on his rifle.
“When Hitler took power, he burned degenerate books, not just those written by Jews, because he understood that building the Volksgemeinschaft meant rooting out degeneracy.”
Hitler banned Antifa, put them in Buchenwald, participated in and won elections, purged his own party of leftist weirdos like Ernst Roehm and came to power by forging an alliance with conservatives. How is this like what calls itself “NS”? The main reason Hitler came to power is because Germans feared and hated communists. Also, it is MAGA which has banned degenerate LGBTQ books from public libraries.
“Most divorced men have children, which is it, are we bitter divorced men or not reproducing? To the extent that there is truth in your accusation, it is the fault of feminism and Judeo-Christianity teaching women to hate their race.”
Women and children are largely absent from your “Volksgemeinschaft.”
Virtually all White people with normal personality types are absent too. “NS” is overwhelmingly single, childless, deeply alienated and embittered men who are not Christians.
“National socialism is a patriotic movement in so far as Americanism means white race purity, manly pride, responsible gun ownership, the pioneering spirit, scientific excellence, freedom from state churches, anti-monarchism and traditional family values. If Americanism means junk food, Judeo-Christianity, and race mixing, national socialism will be anti-American and rightly so. ..”
Historic National Socialism which placed “Germany over all” was a patriotic and nationalist movement. “NS” is the exact opposite. It is anti-American, anti-patriotic, anti-nationalist. “NS” activists support Third Worldism. “NS” has more in common with snarky American hipsters who look down their noses at other Americans than National Socialism as it existed in Germany.
“Become? Animal welfare has always been part of the national socialist worldview. Hitler never forced anyone to be a vegetarian, but he advocated voluntary vegetarianism and would be horrified with bans on lab-grown meant.”
Hitler wanting Germans to quit eating meat and defining his political movement in those terms is another thing that never happened. “NS” is a largely American movement that attracts weirdos.
>Does anyone else see the irony of a bunch of “NS” weirdos like Handsome Truth who is known for chatting with teenage girls on Omegle
If he did do that I disapprove. He’d hardly be the first, remember “Christian” Roy Moore?
> Many of these “NS” groups even overlap with Satanists.
National socialism is a modern, scientific movement that does not require adherence to any creed. This was the case under Adolf Hitler, when pagans, Protestants, and Catholics were all part of the national socialist movement.
>“NS” has more in common with snarky American hipsters who look down their noses at other Americans than National Socialism as it existed in Germany.
Adolf Hitler required all men to join the Army, boys to join the Hitler Youth, and girls to join the League of German Girls, where physical fitness was required. He led the world’s first anti-smoking campaign. Alcoholics were required to get treatment. What national socialists say about Americans may be harsh, but it is necessary, Americans will ultimately thank us.
>Hitler wanting Germans to quit eating meat and defining his political movement in those terms is another thing that never happened.
It is undisputed that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, and that, while he served meat to others, he often urged them to become vegetarians and described the cruelty of animal slaughter. He never advocated for compulsory vegetarianism, but humane treatment of animals was part of the movement from the beginning and was put into place in the form of animal welfare laws after the takeover of power.
>Does anyone else see the irony of a bunch of “NS” weirdos like Handsome Truth who is known for chatting with teenage girls on Omegle
David Lane, one of key figures in American “NS,” wrote extensively about his attraction to underage girls. He was sexually attracted to the Prussian Blue twins in their youth. Kevin Alfred Strom of the National Alliance and later National Vanguard also pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography. He was attracted to “nymphs.” If I remember correctly, he used to take photos of young girls and it was his wife who turned him in.
National socialism is a modern, scientific movement that does not require adherence to any creed. This was the case under Adolf Hitler, when pagans, Protestants, and Catholics were all part of the national socialist movement.
Historic National Socialism and “NS” are completely different things.
Yes, it is true that Christians supported Hitler and voted for Hitler. It is also true that American “NS” types like Adam Green and Blackpilled were streaming on Rumble attacking Christians while you were writing that which they do every day. “NS” is a deeply anti-Christian movement that overlaps with Satanic wignat groups like the Order of the Nine Angles.
“Adolf Hitler required all men to join the Army, boys to join the Hitler Youth, and girls to join the League of German Girls, where physical fitness was required. He led the world’s first anti-smoking campaign. Alcoholics were required to get treatment. What national socialists say about Americans may be harsh, but it is necessary, Americans will ultimately thank us.”
I’ve known plenty of “NS” alcoholics like Glenn Miller.
“It is undisputed that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian, and that, while he served meat to others, he often urged them to become vegetarians and described the cruelty of animal slaughter. He never advocated for compulsory vegetarianism, but humane treatment of animals was part of the movement from the beginning and was put into place in the form of animal welfare laws after the takeover of power.”
There is nothing particularly “NS” about liking cute animals.
Did you watch the last election? Remember Peanut the MAGA squirrel? Haitians eating dogs and cats in Springfield?
“Women and children are largely absent from your “Volksgemeinschaft.””
The most vital and genuine remnants of German Volksgemeinschaft today are the conservative Mennonite and Amish communities. Who are Christians.
“Trumpism” is just as irrelevant NS.
Trump is an opportunist. He only ever does the right thing in response to grassroots pressure for him to conform to Pat Buchanan’s America First platform.
We should constantly be applying pressure for Trump and the Republicans to move further in the direction of America First (immigration restriction, non-interventionist foreign policy, and cultural conservatism).
We should support the best America First politicians (Thomas Massie, MTG) and pundits (Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Matt Gaetz), and we should push them further in the direction of America First.
Get real.
Trump and MAGA control the White House, Congress, Supreme Court, over half the states. Tens of millions of White people voted for Trump. The majority of the White working class and White middle class supported Trump. MAGA is currently reshaping everything from the military to the universities to late night comedy.
“NS” is a tiny internet subculture of weirdos who don’t want to even engage in politics. Many of these people spend all their time bashing White women and Christians. They are known for Spiderman marches. These two things are not alike!
And the jews control Trump and MAGA control the White House, Congress, Supreme Court and everything else. I don’t think too many people are getting what they hoped for if Trump got in. He’s running a close tie with Hunter Biden. He is worthless. Things are getting worse, because the agenda is the jews’ agenda, that is, to destroy America, and they’re doing a great job of it. I don’t know anything about your internet NS or what they’re preaching, but The bottom line of National Socialism is really quite simple — Are you for the betterment of your country? Are you for your people? Are you for equality under the law of your own people in their own nation or, instead, are you for what National Socialists are against: the empowerment of minorities receiving special rights and privileges depending on their “victim” status, domestic and foreign, over White Europeans in nations they created?
Are you for self determination for your own White European people? National Socialists emphatically are, and all the following: Are you for the natural right to defend yourself, therefore, gun ownership? Are you for family — your family and it’s security — a safe place to raise your children? Are you for regulated borders and strictly enforced immigration laws? Are you for property ownership? Are you against foreign peoples illegally entering your country committing violence, discriminating against your people and finally driving your country into bankruptcy by your corrupt government taking from you to give to them?
Wait a little bit. Small fish first, big fish later. This will end up like on the Soviet Union back in the 1937. Stalin was Jew servant. Yet he prepared 20 years and then he slaughtered a lot of them. Trump is following Stalin playbook. Grab a buntch of street filth communists and then move fast to higher echelons.
There is no National Socialist Movement. This is true, because there are no NS campaigns, think tanks, or political leaders. There are people who discuss and believe in National Socialist ideology and Hitlerian policies. This is definitely true, because we know some of these true believer NSers meet in online forums or perhaps in a blue moon in person over a beer. There are the Larpers, who like to graffitti Hunter’s website. The misfits who feel empowered by liberal society’s self expression mantra to be angry and shocking a-holes. Finally, there are “The Others.” These ones are very dangerous. They are in power. They are advancing NS all day every day in globalist instituons. Most of them are concentrated in the EU. So, to be factual, National Socialism has skin suited into something outwardly different but is alive and well.
Indeed, the EU is itself a Hitlerian project. This project is found in the economic and technocratic monopolies of the EU such as the original European Coal and Steel Community. The later owed its genesis i. studies by Vichy France and Nazi Germany. NS is found n the running of society by administrative unaccountable bureaucrats. It is astounding that so many different national elitists and their civil servants could be so coordinated.
In fact, these “unaccountable” bureaucrats do seem to march in lock step taking orders from something. They do seem to be accountable to some clandestine party, a party that is whispered to be called The International. In turn, this party is itself a party run by a central committee of Papist oligarchs. Ian Paisley who railed against this network in Ulster and the EU said it was distinctly a Papist conspiracy. Others say it’s an international intersection fascist group, or the European Illumanati.
The tentacles, however, all seem to originate toward Rome and Catholic elite. Given thet so many Nazis were Papists, and most of those who escaped went thru Papist rat lines, a merging of Nazis with the Papacy and in turn disseminating out toward fellow elite Papists is the most plausible origin for how Nazi policies are actually alive in kicking throughout Europe to this day.
The only difference between these Neo-Nazis in the EU and the original Nazis is the public promotion of White racialism, especially Aryanism. The EU positively works to import non-Whites into the EU. But does this suspected elite clandestine neo nazi grouo promote that within their group? Or are they using non-Whites like Hitler used non-Whites such as the Moslem brotherhood and the founders of the Algerian FLN to strike against their opponents, the resistant Patriot communities and nations within the EU? Also, didn’t Hitler bring in non-Whites to work in German industry during WWII too? So, really how different are the present neo-Nazis in the EU from the old Nazis?
It’s clear many of the tenants that Hitler proposed and even implemented in Europe are now promoted and carried out by the EU. In fact, Germany itself is the center piece of the EU just like Hitler wanted. The difference is in the fact there is of yet, no clear uniform wearing by the elite, no clear militarism of society, and no clear genetic eugenic policy by the EU. It’s entirely true it might never happen.
The reasons for why that might occurr or not are debatable. But what aren’t debatable are the facts that National Socialist policies are alive and kicking in the EU and elsewhere in the globalist system. It’s just the autists never got the memo and without some elite uniformed leadership guiding them, they feel forced into larping like retards or retreating into silent bookish online discussion groups. But don’t worry, I am sure the ghost of Uncle AH is watching and ready to reward you with service on the Eastern Front or at one of the camps in the future if you wait long enough.
> Finally, there are “The Others.” These ones are very dangerous. They are in power. They are advancing NS all day every day in globalist instituons. Most of them are concentrated in the EU. So, to be factual, National Socialism has skin suited into something outwardly different but is alive and well.
> Indeed, the EU is itself a Hitlerian project. This project is found in the economic and technocratic monopolies of the EU such as the original European Coal and Steel Community. The later owed its genesis i. studies by Vichy France and Nazi Germany. NS is found n the running of society by administrative unaccountable bureaucrats. It is astounding that so many different national elitists and their civil servants could be so coordinated.
There is actually some evidence for this. The EU does have Nazi roots even though its formal structure is Soviet in nature. Former nazis had little difficulty in becoming communist cadres and party officials in East Germany once they bowed the knee. The reverse was also true in the NSDAP’s rise to power in the 1930s. German Bolsheviks who switched had little trouble adopting to the regime. Folks easily forget the socialist aspect of National Socialism, including the dark side of it.
I can understand a negative view of socialism as we define it today, but it doesn’t have much similarity to that of Germany’s National Socialism. National Socialists were a people who cared about their distinct racial heritage, and sought to protect it. They were Nationalists! But Germans also desired to care for the vulnerable, needy and sick of their kinsfolk — Socialist! There is no reason that all races of the planet should not be able to embrace such a philosophy.
The word Socialism is used with so many different meanings that it is necessary before writing these observations to define in which sense it is used in Germany by the National Socialists. The broadest definition is the conception of a State which is a living organic whole, in which the members of the State are inspired and guided by the duty of service to the State as paramount. That is the meaning given to the word by the Germans when he describes the German State as a National Socialist State.
There were plenty of quantifiable aspects to National Socialism. The first quantifiable aspect of NS is to kick out the Jews. Once the Jews are out, society, itself, becomes healthy. It is only with these corrupting Jew-devils forever working their poison within ANY and EVERY society, that chaos becomes the rule. So, “out with the Jews” is the first quantifiable aspect that has proven effect.
The second quantifiable NS program is this: “Whatever is good for the country and good for the People, is good and should be encouraged. Whatever is bad for the country and bad for the people, is bad and should be discouraged.”
The third quantifiable aspect of NS is this: “A banking and money system is no different that a water or electricity system. It is a public works system that benefits all of the people and the Nation. It is not something that should be owned and controlled by a privite person and a gang of private stockholders.” Thus, by taking the money system out of the hands of the Jews, financial health is restored. In America, the un-Constitutional, Jewish Federal Reserve Banking Swindle has bankrupted the nation and enriched the scheming Jews. This needs to be revoked, the stolen money taken from the Jews and returned to the People.
NS had many quantifiable and useful developments. They are shinning example to the world and should be the subject of thorough study and implementation.
And, what on earth do you mean by the “dark side” of it?
Well, such a sick/mentally ill kind of sh*t is in truth the mega-perverted exact opposite of national socialst ideals by the dregs of the population, the presumptuous appropriation of an ideology that such people would have rendered harmless through castration. In the Third Reich, this scum would have been sent to prison, the madhouse, and/or a labor/re-education camp for a long time for presumptuously defiling and desecrating national symbols. There were strict laws against this.
I agree that today’s national socialists are people looking for shock value and I don’t think they understand different ideologies. Because, Hitler may have lead the national socialist party but he was more of a fascist with greater emphasis on racialism than Mussolini than a nationalist and a socialist. People who actually believed in national socialism got purged. Hitler purged the German left, but then the Russian left took care of Hitler. Hitler would have purged today’s “ns.” Having said that, I support Hitler’s demise.
I agree.
It is people who are naturally antisocial and who are going for shock value who collect under the banner of “NS.” They are attracted to it because it is taboo. Hitler was a political organizer and the leader of a political party that sought and achieved political power. These people have much more in common with Charles Manson.
The funny thing is that taken literally, I am a socialist with more nationalist leanings than most socialists. However, I’m not an idiot, and I know Hitler’s beliefs don’t match mine and I would have been on his purge list.
I’m not of German ancestry, but if I was, I probably would have get purged with the SA.
You actually care about economic policy.
We can have a rational discussion about taxes, economics, health care, etc. We probably agree on more than we disagree. “NS” is not motivated by economics so much as it is being reflexively weird, antisocial, contrarian, etc.
On another note, Stalin comes off a bit idiotic because he saw leftists get purged from NS, praised it, and then Hitler just turned on him. Like Stalin should have seen the night of the long knives as a warning, not something to congratulate Hitler on for “being ruthless.”
….and poor.
It’s not you against national socialism. It’s you against another set of millennial lead losers. How many genxers are in blood tribe?lol Does putting down a millennial loser make you a winner? There was nothing wrong with people engaging in politics in 2008 against using tax payer money to support billionaires. Then the millennial lead white nationalist losers came along and let them off the hook. Great job at winning. You’ve exposed blood tribe and now we are all better off.
I’m not sure what the 2008 financial crash or greedy billionaires has anything to do with what I said above. That’s not the issue here
It’s not helpful to compare normal people who understand that we’re essentially controlled by jews to Blood Tribe. I’m trying to explain that I’m older and didn’t even know they had any power at all until I was 40. I”m trying to explain that the millions of people who are young and have now woken up aren’t interested in Blood Tribe but are rightfully interested in the power jews wield. And there’s nothing weird about it if it is issue number 1 for many people. The reason it is issue number 1 is because I feel they are at the apex of the system. One can argue that I’m wrong but it’s not an obsession, it’s just my opinion. If I had a website I would purposefully never write an article about Blood Tribe. I just want to name the jews who hold positions of power and stick to what is real and actual, and it sure isn’t Blood Tribe. And why on God’s green earth would you compare the good people who are struggling and want to end their power to those mostly anonymous goons.
Handsome Truth is a contrarian, but his show is hilarious.
I’m not a fan.
I have seen clips of him saying weird, inappropriate things to teenage girls. He is a grown man. He doesn’t act like it.
The way he insulted those US troops was really low. They were just NCOs, they aren’t in command or policy positions. He went at them so aggressively and with insults.
No way to make friends and influence people.
Then, doing that faggot stuff down in the Florida disco, just playing a clown.
Hitlerism was a pagan inspired phenomenon. That is why it succeeded briefly in Europe, but never took root here. Europe is jammed full of pagans, but America is full of different kinds of heresies. Pantheists and Judaizers don’t make great Hitlerites.
Besides, Hitler was a nobody. Too stupid to even get into college, and too stupid to get into officer training. Low I.Q. And only one ball. David Irving was right, Goebbels was the mastermind of the Third Reich, just like Stephen Miller is the mastermind of Trump 2.0.
Look at the current staged drama at the ICE facilities. That is brilliant P.R. and is a Stephen Miller production. No one goes to jail for more than a few hours. Actual deportations continue to lag far far below the Obama years, but there is this dramatic confrontation that convinces normies that great progress is happening, when in reality nothing is happening.
Miller should run in 2028. He would win. Bowman would be a sure loser against Newsom.
>MAGA is in power because it is a political movement that has embraced popular causes which it rode to victory.
It will not retain itself in power unless it can deliver real solutions, which it cannot do. Voters will realize that only national socialism can deliver.
“It will not retain itself in power unless it can deliver real solutions, which it cannot do. Voters will realize that only national socialism can deliver.”
“NS” by definition cannot be associated with popular causes because the constituency for it are people who suffer from antisocial personality disorder. Crushing Antifa is extremely popular on the Right and with about 2/3rds of the country. That’s what provoked this entire discussion. “NS” types embraced Antifa and rushed to their defense precisely because it was the antisocial thing to do.
The swastika detection service has struck gold again.
Sign that Weimarica is on the fast track into fascism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVPzxiVBcvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rscnvx28d5M
In Germoneny the opposite: more and more
“organic Germans” are growing monkey curls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=120AnGEbrUk
Brownoids sing local folk athems
only in drug-induced pipe dreams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEK–ho4RDc
Evergreens have been out of fashion since James Brown,
because they contained too few misogynistic rap “lyrics”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J_Ize3dZhQ
What innocent times those were, when one was
“permitted” to preserve native cultural heritage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub3oQ3AK2aA
https://genius.com/Hans-albers-das-lied-vom-nigger-jim-lyrics
Translation:
The Song of [placeholder] Jim
This is the song of [placeholder] Jim
And if you want to hear it, listen
He could not be happy on earth
And only laughs in heaven
Black as coal to the sole
Is [placeholder] Jim
But he wears the best white vest
[placeholder] Jim
He sings jazz band songs so well
Because he has a lot of rhythm in his blood
But since he lost his homeland
He often sings to himself
This is the song of [placeholder] Jim
He often had it bad in life
Because on Broadway, his heart ached
When all the children called: “Mommy, mommy, look, a black man”
This is the song of [placeholder] Jim
He was often seized by wild anger
Because his coloring was inheritance
And nobody listened to his laments
Lord God, make me white
Lord, I beg you fervently
Comfort me and promise
Me the white paradise
This is the song of [placeholder] Jim
And if you want to hear it, listen
He could not be happy on earth
And only laughs in heaven
Black raven, like a boy
Do you still live as an old man?
White beds in Manhattan
Do not make you white
A thousand devils tease you loudly
Lose your temper, lose your temper
First, you must be a little angel
Then you are pure as a flower
This is the song of [placeholder] Jim
He often had it bad in life
Because on Broadway, his heart ached
When all the children called: “Mommy, mommy, look, a black man”
This is the song of [placeholder] Jim
He was often seized by wild anger
Because his coloring was inheritance
And nobody listened to his laments
Lord God, make me white
Hitler would scoff at today’s neo-Nazis because neo-Nazism is a theatrical parody of National Socialism, the mass-movement tactics fit for 1925 do not work in the political climate of 2025, and National Socialism was a pan-German racial-nationalist movement, not a white or pan-european nationalist movement, see the treatment of the Slavs within the Reich.
That said, the fundamental divide within the white identitarian movement broadly speaking is between Christian reformists and non-Christian revolutionaries. The question of whether a reformation of the System can produce acceptable outcomes divides the subculture. One side sees Donald Trump as a messianic figure who along with his chosen successors can reform the U.S. into a white dominant nation-state, that is take back America and re-make it into a white, Christian republic. The other side sees Donald Trump as a Judeo-Christian Zionist charlatan who channels potentially revolutionary white identitarian energy into System-approved ends, such as improved military recruitment for future wars for Israel. The latter somewhat has a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome and an unrelenting focus on Zionism, sometimes to the exclusion of all else. The former often conflate wins for the socially conservative Christian right, such as overturning Roe, as wins for White people, when the criminalization of abortion results in disproportionately greater births of crime-prone, low-income black children accelerating demographic change.
I am on the reform is not possible side of the divide because the U.S. has a majority non-white population under the age of 25. Future white minority status is baked into the cake of the civic nationalist U.S. The forced remigration of tens of millions of paper Americans appears to be a pipe-dream if the System still stands. Thus, an ethno-state can only be secured through carving out a part of the country where white people predominate. Such a solution is not possible through reforming the System. Demographic realities, not TDS or Zionism-is-the-only-issue thinking, guide my thought process. Trumpism offers a pro-white form of civic nationalism that will accelerate miscegenation, not halt it. Trumpism and Americanism amount to American (((Empire))) First civic nationalism. These ideological straitjackets are something that we have to step over so that we can have our own state. At the same time, we should recognize that Trump has awoken many of our people to critical issues that affect our survival and be grateful for that.
I disagree.
I wouldn’t characterize these people as revolutionaries.
In what sense are they “revolutionaries” other than in self image? Are they waging a guerrilla war against the government? What are they doing to overthrow the system? Are they members of a revolutionary political party? All I see is a bunch of people whining on Telegram, Rumble and X and saying they are going to support Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.
In order to be a “revolutionary,” you have to do something more than stream to a group chat. Che Guevera was a “revolutionary.” George Washington was a revolutionary.
The persons who constantly whine about Trump, support voting for Democratic candidates, and denigrate Christians (on our side) do so for accelerationist ends. Their faulty logic is a revolutionary logic. Worse is better a la Lenin. Conditions will become so unbearable that the white masses will rise up against the System. This logic is faulty for many reasons, but the logic is revolutionary, tending towards accelerating the collapse of the System and the dawn of a NEW ORDER. This rhetoric is millenialist in its religious character. Are these people capable of leading or actively participating in a revolution? Certainly not for the vast majority.
Though you may hate him for his outlandish remarks on Manson and since disavowed flirtations with satanism, James Mason is a National Socialist who has adapted the old program to present conditions and not a neo-Nazi who revels in outsider, transgressive culture, including uniform fetishes. He vocally supports Donald Trump. He is a revolutionary thinker who has influenced our movement through his magnum opus, Siege. His plain spoken manner reminds one of Thomas Paine’s no-non-sense polemics, Common Sense and the Age of Reason.
Thomas Rousseau of Patriot Front is a dedicated revolutionary who describes his approach to politics as extra-political. The same could be said of Rob Rundo who has founded a network of active clubs where white men train in martial arts. These men are high agency and active in revolutionary politics. Thomas Rousseau is not a Christian, but is rather pragmatic about denominational disputes as we should be.
The dividing line cuts between those who support working within the System (through electoral politics) and those who reject that path and instead work to overthrow the System through means not involving electoral politics. The majority of the latter are accelerationist (accelerate the Collapse of the System) of some stripe whereas the former are restorationists (restore the System to a past state of affairs) of some type. Both are taking the wrong approach and engaging in short-term thinking. We must quietly build a parallel system that will lift up our people as we separate ourselves from the dying American empire. We are not voting our way out of this hell by restoring the lost grandeur of the American Empire: MAGA. That optimistic wish is cowardice.
I know Thomas Rousseau in real life and have always liked Patriot Front.
TRS recently devoted an episode to denouncing Patriot Front after the Charlie Kirk shooting.
TRS is nothing but a grift. A closeted homosexual that runs a website called “Daily Rake” has also run a series of hit pieces on Kirk since his death. I find it disgusting beyond belief that supposed pro White activists are celebrating the death of a young White family man with very similar ideology. Kirk was absolutely rounding the corner on the Jews and was beginning to speak on them.
Patriot Front is actually a catholic front, whose aims stem all the way back to the 30 Years War. Yes, we are still fighting that anti-spqr jewish monstrosity.
You’ve already admitted your god is the jewish messiah, so you couldn’t be any more compromised.
Responsible, highly educated, wealthy members of the elite class are the only people that can start a real national socialist party in America. The same was true for the Freikorps. Until they come on board, nothing will happened with these trailer park punks, who are the only images we see because they serve the jewish interests. By feeding into this obnoxious false opposition, your helping the jews alienate white americans from the only system that has ever defeated the jews. Get real Mr Hunter.
There’s nothing inconsistent about your views. You’ve long argued for mainstreaming over vangaurdism and care more about white identity politics than economics, so I can see why you support Trump.
I’m more of the “overturn the whole thing” viewpoint. Where I disagree with other vanguardists is on tactics. I don’t think we can overturn the system and be divided along racial lines at the same time. But Whites should combat anti-White attitudes both during a revolution and after it.
I think a white only revolution would miserably fail, since Whites would fight other races at the same time they fight the capitalist system.
> I think a white only revolution would miserably fail, since Whites would fight other races at the same time they fight the capitalist system.
An even bigger reason it would fail are the large number of whites, including the younger ones who could actually do battle, who are on the Church of Woke side (white-hating whites).
As Hunter correctly points out, the self-proclaimed “Antifa” and the self-proclaimed “neo-Nazis” are composed of the same social fringe milieus, only the label they have stuck on themselves is intended to feign otherness.
These people should all be put in the same garbage bag, and whoever hits this bag with a club will never hit the wrong one. They need each other like flies need dung; it is impossible to tell which of them is the fly and which is the dung.
I would even go so far as to say that both actually serve the system they claim to be fighting. It is not without reason that they often collaborate with the system’s secret services and are paid by the system. They themselves are the disease they believe they are curing.
They are neither communists nor fascists. They would be deeply embarrassing to both genuine communists and genuine National Socialists. But like weeds in the garden, there will never be a shortage of such characters.
Clownish LARPers as system stabilizers. Americans would be just as embarrassed if fake Americans, who are clearly stupid and incompetent, suddenly appeared as cowboys waving the US flag. It’s just ridiculous and out of place.
No one will ever place a shred of trust in such creatures, every healthy men senses that if they were in a position of power, ruthless and irresponsible as they are, they would become barbarians and press the red button to start a world war.
The bad parody brings the good original into disrepute. This can be observed everywhere and is largely deliberate. However, the intention behind it is not immediately apparent, not even to the parodists themselves. Whether it’s “Antifa,” “neo-Nazis,” or “transsexuals.”
Lilly gaddis, grandpa was right, playing the whigger won’t get you any street cred.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MU-SttkOcVk
For the love of God, if you’re going open carry, don’t carry in your back pocket.
Whiggers ain’t cool, they just die.
Remove any mention of jews for any reason (positive or negative) and you will find that these NS creeps aren’t much different from the antifa terrorists at heart. They both hate normal White people, hate their habits and social activities, hate their God (Jesus Christ) and wish terrible things upon us.
The motivations behind this hatred aren’t relevant enough to distinguish them.
Great point ConfederateConsigliere.
NS and MAGA are only incompatible to the extent that the MAGA faithful have no actual interest in making America great again.
They are happy with being told things are getting better. They are happy with the illusion of real improvements, rather than actual substance – and this is the real point of contention. The NS faction want real, substantive, changes which can not simply be rolled back by the next administration.
MAGA is a political movement.
MAGA has access to state power and uses it for political ends.
“NS” is an apolitical or anti-political fandom. The subculture does not engage in politics. There are no “NS” organizations, candidates, parties trying to change anything. It is “revolutionary” in the sense that sometimes people are “NS” defend the Left or justify supporting Democrats in order to harm White people. There was also a Satanist accelerationist wignat who killed his parents in Wisconsin and was plotting to assassinate Trump. I wrote about that story back in April.
I look at all this and realize that I am merely an observer of the many things going on in the West and I really am disconnected from it all. I’m really don’t fit into really any side of the West or the United States. I fit into the South and the Gulf Coast but only in the sense that this is the place of my ancestors and that I am distantly related to many people here. Even then I still am an outsider in a lot of senses but not uprooted.
You’re such a whiny twat.
The swastika detection service has struck gold again.
Sign that Weimarica is on the fast track into fascism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVPzxiVBcvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rscnvx28d5M
In Germoneny the opposite: more and more
“organic Germans” are growing monkey curls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=120AnGEbrUk
Brownoids sing local folk athems
only in drug-induced pipe dreams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEK–ho4RDc
Evergreens have been out of fashion since James Brown,
because they contained too few misogynistic rap “lyrics”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J_Ize3dZhQ
What innocent times those were, when one was
“permitted” to preserve native cultural heritage.
My understanding is that ICE is used to recruit local cops who’ve not been able to crack criminal gangs via the usual channels and means to go after hard cases. I trust Homan is doing the right thing. Think “The Untouchables” where you have Sean Connery actually battling the worst of the worst.
I’m amazed at how much energy you invest in denouncing “NS” while they’ve never had any real world power in modern America. And not much influence either. It’s mostly internet memes and very fringe stuff. Kind of disturbing that you are that deranged with them, to be honest. The real enemies of the right have always been in the GOP, and it’s still the case today.
In other news, there’s no chance Tyler Robinson is guilty. The portrait the feds painted has little to do with reality, he only surrendered himself for fear of a swat team terminating him and both he and family claim he is innocent, was never on that campus and the guy on the pictures is not him. Denies engraving any bullets. Dude is a patsy. I’m glad theyre going after antifa and all but I’m not cool with executing innocents even if theyre weirdos.
Normally, I would just ignore them, but they have chosen to come here and ask for this debate. They also spend every single day spewing their bilge into the pro-White space. Most people who do not agree with them roll their eyes and ignore it.
We know, Brad, you are a sellout, a fraud, and a cuck who betrayed everything for a tax cut. Spencer can at least point to resentment.
White-flight MAGA fails and will continue to fail as it always has before the Orange Clown, and like Pierce, when the browns and the blacks breach the exurb, we will be smiling as you get you just deserts.
Good morning.
You are a collection of unemployed losers, freaks, cranks, criminals, sociopaths, attention seekers, antisocial weirdos, nihilists, contrarian gadflys, mentally ill conspiracy theorists. None of you have accomplished anything in politics. None of you even have the desire to accomplish anything in politics. Your politics can summarized as a studied attempt to remain weird, fringe and permanently marginalized and driven ultimately by antisocial personality disorder.
As Pierce himself famously observed, you drag everyone down around you by association. You repulse the people we need to win over. You are just trying to give a middle finger to society. This is why normal people are repulsed by your “organizations” which predictably self destruct every few years. It is why you can shape shift into any form like “maybe Antifa are our secret friends.”
I’m tired of it. I’m done with it. Occasionally, I wonder “where are they now” and someone will post things like the clip of Cantwell having gay sex with a man on Telegram, or Sven screaming about “whiteoids” and “creekshitters” on TRS. No wonder your movement failed.
“Cantwell having gay sex with a man on Telegram,”
Do you think that is genuine?
I don’t know.
I hope it isn’t true and is some kind of troll.
I’m assuming that Christopher Cantwell is your idol.
I’m just a right wing normie. I will never ever understand this crazy obsession with a wierd dude with a wierd mustache that lived in a country across an ocean, and speaks a language i don’t understand. Why can’t we just build something unique to us over here. We aren’t the same kind of society at all
” wierd dude with a wierd mustache that lived in a country…”
Who took a broken country and made it whole. pulled millions out of starvation and freezing poverty. A country that required 3 gigantic empires to crush it.
There was a fellow named Huey Long who started to try it back in the 1930s south. One of the usual suspects killed him though. Long’s bodyguards killed the assassin before anyone could haul him away for some serious questioning.
Hey Brad, remember when I said the government would fail to prosecute these few Antifa members they’re arresting in the videos you’re posting? Looks like I was right. Already, according to this New York Times arricle below, Pam was forced to not indict 12 of them, with a judge rejecting to indict a 13th one this morning. Are you going to cover this, or are you going to continue vibes posting about Trump “crushing Antifa,” while whining about wignats? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/30/us/politics/federal-charges-grand-jury-dc.html
Did you even read the article?
It has nothing to do with any Antifa that was arrested in Portland or Broadview protesting the ICE facilities.
“Humanizing” Jews means to “piggificate” us in return.
https://x.com/SuppressedNws1/status/1972328570757497237
Pete Hegseth says “being a racist has been illegal in our formations since 1948. Same goes for sexual harassment. Both our wrong and illegal.”
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1973006504854007997
Don’t you realize you’ve been had? The Charlie Kirk funeral with all its cringe-inducing Christianity brought home the reality that the Republican Party is the same thing it’s always been – a scam to separate rural whites from their money.
> the Republican Party is the same thing it’s always been – a scam to separate rural whites from their money.
Yes it is, and the D-jerseys are merely a scam directed at others (including whites). So, to borrow a phrase from V. I. Ulyanov: What is to be done? Larping as a gay Hitler is also a scam and fails to accomplish anything. Lady G of South Carolina is a deadlier enemy than Antifa is (and she tacitly sided with them for decades running).
The anon above makes a great point:
> Both (NS and MAGA) are taking the wrong approach and engaging in short-term thinking. We must quietly build a parallel system that will lift up our people as we separate ourselves from the dying American empire. We are not voting our way out of this hell by restoring the lost grandeur of the American Empire: MAGA. That optimistic wish is cowardice.
It is not only cowardice but suicidally delusional. One cannot have a republic envisioned by this country’s founders without the founding population (or one similar enough in makeup). Magic dirt is a lie, so are numerous other beloved notions – first and foremost being the great lie named “equality”.
“The 25-point Program, also known as the National Socialist Program, was introduced by Adolf Hitler on February 24, 1920. It served as the official platform of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSDAP). The program outlined the party’s political goals and ideologies, combining elements of nationalism, anti-Semitism, and social reform.
Nationalism and Citizenship
Point Description
1 Union of all Germans in a Greater Germany based on self-determination.
2 Abrogation of the Versailles Treaty and equality for Germans in international dealings.
4 Citizenship limited to those of German blood; Jews excluded.
5 Non-citizens can only reside in Germany as guests.
Economic Policies
Point Description
3 Acquisition of land and colonies for the German population.
11 Ban on income not earned through work; breaking of interest bondage.
12 Confiscation of war profits deemed treasonous.
13 Nationalization of all trusts and large industries.
14 Profit-sharing in large companies.
Social Reforms
Point Description
16 Support for a healthy middle class and communalization of large stores.
17 Agrarian reform, including expropriation of land for public use without compensation.
21 Promotion of national health through welfare programs and physical education.
Governance and Authority
Point Description
24 Freedom for all religious faiths, as long as they do not threaten the state.
25 Creation of a strong central authority in the state to enforce the program.
Comparing America, or anything in America, to National Socialist Germany is nonsense. It’s also repeating Allied propaganda, that’s needs to be dead and buried, too
Leftists all have this fantasy about being revolutionaries and fighting in the Russian Civil War. Or of being WWII Soviets.
America needs to grow up, politically, and move into the 21st Century, with the rest of the World.
“Fighting fascism” is a Jewish neurosis. Their power over our civilization and country needs to be broken.