In comments beneath my post yesterday asking whether American was coming apart at the seams, several of those commenting felt it would be critical for Whites to have the military on their side in the event of any attempt by Whites to separate themselves from this sick and dying country.
My concern is this, while I have the greatest respect for those currently serving or who have served, in my experience they are often the most radical of the radically racially egalitarian. The reasons for this strike me as fairly commonsensical, as I wrote in my piece “Norming The Exceptional” the vast majority of military folk have very little idea just how much of a role IQ plays in military admissions, here is Steve Sailer making the same point…
Almost nobody in the media is aware of the vast investment the U.S. military has made over the last 88 years in IQ testing of potential recruits, and the huge number of correlation studies they have done comparing soldiers’ IQ with their actual performance. I was only barely aware of it myself until I spent hours last fall interviewing military psychometricians for my article showing that John F. Kerry scored a bit lower on his officer application IQ test than George W. Bush did. (This was the report that Tom Brokaw asked Kerry about on the NBC Nightly News.)
Because the U.S. military knows that bad things tend to happen to low IQ soldiers—and to their comrades who have the misfortune to be standing nearby—since 1991 only about one percent of new enlistees have IQs below the 30th percentile (i.e., an IQ of about 92). (See Table 2.8 in this Defense Department report.)
Last year, the Army announced that because of tribulations in meeting recruitment quotas due to the Iraq War, it would up its share of new soldiers scoring below the 30th percentile all the way to … 2 percent.
Even a guerilla war isn’t making the military enthusiastic about inducting volunteers from the bottom 30 percent of the Bell Curve.
Stop and think about that for a second: well over 80 million Americans lack high enough IQs to become a buck private in our high-tech modern military.
I bet you’d never heard that from the mainstream media!
The fine 1997 book All That We Can Be: Black Leadership and Racial Integration the Army Way by sociologists Charles C. Moskos and John Sibley Butler reported that in 1994:
“83 percent of white recruits scored in the upper half of the mental aptitude test (compared with 61 percent of white youths in the national population), while 59 percent of black recruits scored in the upper half (compared with 14 percent of the black youths nationwide).”
In other words, the Army’s black enlisted personnel score just as well on the general aptitude test as typical white Americans—although not as well as white recruits. (African-American officers average even better, of course.) That shows the impressive patriotism of blacks who possess many options in life.
On the other hand, a sizable majority of all blacks are ineligible to enlist. This has created a social problem that nobody has noticed…because you aren’t allowed to talk about race and IQ.
We like to imagine that the military frequently instills character-building discipline in underclass ghetto youths raised by single mothers. But, in fact, it hasn’t let in many truly poor blacks since the collapse of the Soviet Union allowed the military to get leaner and meaner.
Black enlistees are well above the national black average in IQ. They come from families that average 15 percent higher income than the national black mean.
Now I want to show you an actual example of the thinking of an ex-serviceman, who declined to publicly debate me, on the subject of race…
Human diversity cannot exceed 23 chromosomes. Anyone continuing to perpetuate the myth that the thin veneer of genetic variation that makes people physically distinguishable Means Anything needs to go take a biochemistry course and disabuse themselves of their medieval notions. *snip*
I’ll double down on my point. I claim, with gold-medal hand-waving, that the Political Correctness on display here is a diluted form of the institutional falsehood that helped create the context for last week’s Fort Hood tragedy.
Now I’m well aware that there are racially aware Whites in the military, but how many there might be is a mystery to me? perhaps one of our enlisted readers could shed some illumination for us? All I know is this, whenever I debate this subject with a current or former servicemen I am consistently flabbergasted by the levels of political correctness and radical racial egalitarianism on display.
I’m concerned we are imagining that there will be support for us in the military that will turn out to be a mirage, a deadly mirage.
What say you?
Without giving myself away, let me just say that the modern military climate is different than it was when the draft was in effect. The minorities who voluntarily join the military these days want to better themselves. They put their best face forward because this is their career. White service men don’t see street-level blacks like the Vietnam veterans did. The racial groups don’t self segregate to the degree that they did 40 years ago.
That said, contemplating the military’s response to ‘Civil War II’ before you’ve done as much as possible to secure a safe future for yourself and your family is putting the cart before the horse. I think white nationalists should stress preparation and self sufficiency first and foremost. Get to a safe area of the country and learn to live off the land. Mitigation of risk is the best course of action at this point.
As Neo-Nietzsche put it:
http://master-morality.blogspot.com/2010/03/exterior-ballistics.html
The thought is that some form of martial law or military rule is inevitable so Whites should make a priority of propagandizing military personnel. So whether or not current officers are racially aware or believe in multi-culti diversity, they will be in charge, so we better start trying to recruit them now.
This hero is trying to get the message out to the Tea Parties, but perhaps instead he should be standing outside of Fort Jackson instead.
Of course, no one self segregates nowadays like they used to do forty years ago! Duh! Whites have all been bullied and intimidated and dumbed down too much to even see themselves as Whites anymore. Look at the poor delusional desperate tea party people: They’re almost 100% White, but noooooooooooo they’re not racist!! There’s no racial component to their party or their cause!!! Whatever courage Whites used to have has all been stomped out of us in the last forty or so years.
Racist Whites have NO ONE in their corner. Repeat after me: NO ONE is on our side. They can’t be–it’s too risky and dangerous. So, no one ever talks about racial reality except anonymously on the internet. What a pathetic joke we are. Too afraid in our own country to say we are White, we live in a White founded country, we are proud to be White, we want to be around other Whites, etc.
If the internet had been used as it should have been, pro White people would connect on the internet initially, meet in real life, start groups geographically and move forward. But, everyone is scared to death to meet and reveal his or her identity, so nothing gets done except the continued endless discussions, ad nauseum.
I’m not talking anything illegal either. Strictly legal activities by pro White people. But, sadly, that’s not happening.
I believe we are in the first stages of the end of this country. How long it will take for things to become really bad is unknown at this time. But, it would seem imperative that pro White people need to be connecting in real life in order to have something in place once the shit really hits the fan nationwide.
Yes, we need to be doing things on our own: self sufficiency is the first order of the day, of course. I’ve personally gotten rid of as much of corporate America as I can live without. No cable, internet, or land line in my own home. No credit card debt, living on what I make, etc.
I just wonder: will we ever be able to trust each other enough to meet in real life or will we ultimately simply suffer the same fate as our white brothers and sisters who are totally clueless?
Any responses?
I served a single term an Airman starting immediately after 9/11. I can’t say much about the current climate, but it was not favorable to the WN cause when I was in. Sure, there was lots of racist joking, but the military is incredibly “diverse”, it simply wouldn’t function with high racial tensions. In my shop, out of about twenty people, there were probably 10 Whites, 4 Mestizos, a half-Samoan, a Hawaiian, the black Captain, and a few non-identifiable Asians. Jews are strangely absent from Military service.
As I said, lots of racist jokes, but people also walk on eggshells at times. Nobody wants to attract the attention of the base MEO office (Military Equal Opportunity), they will make life very unpleasant, and during any visits from them everybody is on their best PC behavior.
A widespread and public revealing of the truth regarding Israel and 9/11 is the one way I can imaging the military becoming an ally. They would not appreciate being taken advantage of, and would want revenge. Frankly, I question the likelihood of that happening, as even most WN’s here seem to believe that Israel had no hand in 9/11 (or pretend so, to scare off “the crazies”).
All cohorts skew conservative. Officers are probably more socially liberal than the average grunt (though more conservative than the rest of America) and are constantly repeating PC lies for their “careers.”
There is a sense in the military that their tribe is the military. The military/civilian distinction is more relevant, while they’re in, than black/white or much else. Racism is a career killer, and most keep it to themselves. Affirmative action is more pronounced for women than minorities, and thus there seems more resentment at that. Even there everyone keeps their trap shut and this degrades a man’s sense of honor over time. Most important, and most dangerous to intelligent thinking, the minorities in the military are the best you’ll meet. Many are likeable, patriotic, hard-working, disciplined, and generally the kind of people that you would want as a neighbor. This is no BS. It’s my personal experience and that of my family’s. If you sequester yourself from low class minorities and only spend time around such people, you will be confused about the reality of the many who never get past the ASVAB.
I wrote this about McCain’s “Citizen of the World” love of empire in the electoral campaign:
Militaries are often successful multicultural and multiethnic institutions; they are held together effectively by the natural strictness of military discipline. National armies, such as Frederick the Great’s, in fact have served to grind down regional differences and create a new national identity. Some of the best militaries have united men from many lands, such as the multi-ethnic horde of Genghis Kahn and the polyglot Red Army of World War II. Even among the Nazis, the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS drafted Cossacks, Turkistanis, Ukrainians, and other ethnic minorities into the ranks of “Aryan Supermen.” Among ourselves, we see more and more citizenship ceremonies taking place among American soldiers. Far from being touched, I’m disturbed. It’s a short step from that to a military made up largely of mercenary immigrants.
McCain, in spite of his genuine suffering as a POW, looks at war archaically: in wars and conquest, he sees power, glory, and meaning. McCain’s love of war and national power take the place of ordinary patriotic feelings.
Roach,
“There is a sense in the military that their tribe is the military. ”
Doesn’t this strike you as wrong? Ideally, I would imagine that our military servicemen would identify more with the nation that they’re protecting than with the military as a whole. But perhaps I am being naive here.
Maybe some day I’ll give a detailed account of my experiences in the military. All you need to know is that today’s military is filled with race-mixing white trash and black & mestizo ‘tough guys.’ If CWII comes, they’ll be more than happy to gun down White patriots.
On the IQ issue the military might look good. But it’s just a paper tiger. Anyone who has had to work with these people knows what an inefficient rabble they are. It’s counter-intuitive that the sleek, professional looking armed forces would in fact be a cluster-fuck of gargantuan proportions.
Will the military take over when this regime eventually collapses? I am reminded of the dying words of Colonel Kurtz, “…the horror, the horror.”
notuswind,
Servicemen, except for the ones who are married, live on base surrounded by other servicemen. They have their own lingo, their own habits, their own culture. If the base is big enough the surrounding civilians will generally dislike the servicemen. Certain economic niches will love them, like taxi drivers or hotels. But the general civilian population doesn’t want to be around them. So, the military does indeed become their tribe. This is more true of certain branches of the armed forces than others. For instance, the Marine Corps is going to be more tribalist in their outlook than maybe the Air Force or Coast Guard.
4Jacob C. agreed
7Sam Davidson we should focus on the officers.
The US military is the hitman for vey wealthy White male race traitors who are the ceos of corprations. The US military mssion is to terrorize civilian populations into “accepting” a particularf model of econmic developement that prootes the economic inteterts of these eveil greedy White males. It is no more complicated than this.
OF course these nasty intetnions must be covered over with blatherings about multiracialism and the blessings of diversity.
If the Iranians manage to sink a US aircraft carrier the US military will savagery attack Iran. The world will be brought to the brink. This will generate enormous fear in the White American population. It will also be the moment of truth for the White Amerian population. There will be a very strong signal sent:abandon the empire or else. If White Americans abandon the empire. The need for nonwhite foriegners will go down significantly because…no empire..no ideology about the empires nobel intetnions.
White Amerians can vote to defund the military…this will be a very important step in defaging a heavily armed killing machine with heavily armed nonwhites.
Here is the bigger issue:
Just what are White Americans willing to give up for minority status? Is there a breaking point for White Americans? Are they willing to put up with there White sons unmarriable and economically marginalized. This is the future for a large population of White Males. If this becomes the breaking point for White Americans, then they will revolt against their racial and econoic dispossession.
I find it very hard to believe that millions of White American parents are making great sacrifices for their young sons so that White sons can be the most despised and marginalized group in “American” society. I submit Whie Americans will fight back.
I hope the US military is defeated and humiliated in the middles east..it would be the best thing that ever happened to White American in 50 years…end the empire…and it will end the ideology of the blessings of multiracialism.
Very true, the military gets the best of the blacks, who serve alongside fairly median whites. Thus, both get a false impression of one another in terms of IQ. But I bet this really loads the arrogance trait in the qualifying blacks, which is probably hard to ignore. Plus, again, blacks being blacks, they’re probably far more malfeasant than the whites, or put another way, their norms are still probably quite divergent from the whites. Then there’s the fact that whites are currently unable to hold blacks to white standards, something that blacks seem inherently incapable of not using to their own advantage.
In short, there’s a lot more to life, race, and personality than IQ.
As Tom Baugh says, starve the monkeys.
Some of the best militaries have united men from many lands, such as the multi-ethnic horde of Genghis Kahn and the polyglot Red Army of World War II.
The impression I got of the diversity of the Mongol armies is in no way analogous to the diversity we see in American forces. An army composed of smaller ethnic armies is not the same as a multi-ethnic army in the modern American sense, not by a long shot.
P.S., the Wehrmacht was pretty diverse too, by your standards.
Even among the Nazis, the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS drafted Cossacks, Turkistanis, Ukrainians, and other ethnic minorities into the ranks of “Aryan Supermen.”
Whoops, that’s what I get for stopping reading to post a comment. 🙂
Ending the empire also means opposing the destabilization of the Chavez goverment in Venazula. It also means ending the 50 ears of torturing Cuba.
Also keep in mind this:
Every of few years here seems to be a major crisis..and in between these time periods smaller crisis ..or as I like to call them very strong signals that something is terribly wrong in AMERICA..signals to the effect that things aren’t going to get better..with enough of threse signals Whites will withdraw their consent to be governed by the beltway cesspool. When this happens, a major long overdue political crisis will have arrived in America. It will force millions of White Americans to do some very serious soul searching.
A massive loss of White American territory will put an end to the july-forth-aple pie-small town america cornball garbage…the end of Fox News moonie like wierdo patriotism…good riddance. The context will have changed and it will all be meaningless. Wave the flag and a strong military..for what? A withdrawal of support from the beltway will cause millions of White Americans to have these thoughts.
I think Peter Brimleow was hinting at this in a post a few days ago….there is going to be a whole lot of fear and uncertainty in the future….it will be an existential crisis for millions of White Americans.
I emphatically disagree with those here who believe there is no limit to what white Americans will put up with.
It must be painfull…no one will learn the lesson if it isn’t…
What I find interesting is how I’ve never seen PMCs mentioned by WNs in this context. Maybe I did and I just don’t remember. In any event, mercenaries are an increasing reality on the ground but nobody in our movement talks about them.
The United States Military isn’t a military in the Traditional sense. The initiation, the fraternity, the duty, and the honor may exist in the hearts of a handful of servicemen. But for the overwhelming majority of them, it’s a bureaucracy, a government job. The depths of the corruption, incompetence, and indifference among its ragged rainbow ranks boggles the mind.
Things may well fall into the hands of military elites. But it won’t be our military. Those who fancy that things will take a military turn would do well to brush up on their Mandarin.
I emphatically disagree with those here who believe there is no limit to what white Americans will put up with.
Too true. Here’s the thing about how much a man will put up with; one minute he’ll put up with it, the next he won’t. One minute it seems he’ll put up with anything, and the next, he’s causing problems. There’s a threshold, and once crossed, he’s had it. Incrementalism may send that threshold higher but I doubt it’s infinitely elastic.
JJ: “…we are imagining that there will be support for us in the military…a deadly mirage.” While a large number of military people identify White, there will, at the onset of CW II, be no organizational support for WN. A premature, “whites only” racial uprising would be quickly stamped out. On the other hand, given the racial and territorial fissures in the military, I doubt if the ZOGsters will be stupid enough to try to use the military, after the coming Iran War and economic collapse, to enforce Martial Law and do gun/PM confiscation; too much risk of a military revolt against the State. Instead, ZOG will utilize ATF gestapo, Treasury Police, FBI and Blackwater-style mercs (Svigor, #15) in an effort to keep the lid on. Won’t work. States will then secede, bringing National Guard units and heavy weapons with them, while militias, and hundreds of thousands of armed, white, middle and working class Americans will be shooting back. ZOG will then try to use the regular military but – as in CW I – it will fragment. After a bloody few weeks(?) or months(?) and a few (million) deaths, the situation will briefly stabilize white hardright Nationalists, including WNs, holding the countryside, and ZOG globalistas, with their black and brown controlees, holed up in the cities. Then we go in and get them. Only wildcard will be – what will the chicoms and Russians do, observing all this? Might just decide to nuke us while our guard is down. We’ll see….
Gang Activity in the U.S. Military
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/gangs.htm
I agree with Veni Vidi Dixi that focusing on the officers is most important. We shouldn’t necessarily be striving for openly WN officers (not going to happen). The best to hope for is that in the event of a nationwide break-up, with military forces deployed domestically, that some significant percent of officers resist or at least stand down.
Jews in Green
http://www.jewsingreen.com/
The degree of genetic diversity in a species has nothing to do with its chromosome number.
I don’t want to let anyone’s hopes down but I’ve spent 20 plus years in the Navy and I can tell you it’s not fertile ground for White Nationalist recruitment. Back in the 80s when people self segregated themselves I would’ve said yes but today, I don’t think so. It was disgusting to me how many race mixers I saw in the service with many Whites married to orientals and blacks with White spouses. People of different races seemed to get along together, at least on the surface they pretended to.
I would like to see some more focus on PMC’s — the problem is that to be in those (or to start one that’s worth anything) you would need to be former military.
Ironically, at least as far as I can tell from scattered media stories PMCs are almost wholly white. You can pretty much guess who they are Americans, Brits, Australians, South Africans. And true, you have to have been in the military beforehand, you dont get into a PMC without someone on the inside to vouch for you.
There wont be any Ft Hood style incidents within a PMC, people like that would never be trusted, never allowed to join.
There may well be other mercenary units around too. How about Sikhs, I could imagine that. But equally they wont be recruiting outside their own group.
There’s a vast, wealthy, disciplined, and well-prepared White American military order hidden in plain sight.
Just sayin’.
Human diversity cannot exceed 23 chromosomes.
The guy who said that exceeds 23 chromosomes.
25 Matt Parrott: Oh, don’t be a tease.
While I was in the Air Force I noticed that enlisted members that had served during the Clinton years were quite vocal about their disapproval of Clinton. This stemmed from some perceived slights regarding pay and benefits. I recently read a news article that mentioned the DOD begging Congress NOT to give out substantial raises this year, that the pay levels were getting too high. Perhaps the political class has learned that they can simply pay down dissent.
There’s a vast, wealthy, disciplined, and well-prepared White American military order hidden in plain sight.
I hope they stand up to Barack Hussein Obama soon and secure our borders. That is not an outlandish or unreasonable expectation.
Discard,
I doubt that the WN community would be well-disposed toward the theodemocratic regime that’s in store for them when the White Horse Prophecy is manifested in the latter-days. The general public is welcome to tour or volunteer at their awesome storehouses. I recommend doing so, just to get a good idea of how a serious and well-organized group is preparing for what’s to come.
I knew I liked Mormons for a reason. Heck, I can even tolerate some of the goofy rituals.
To be fair and forthcoming I’ve always liked their racial consciousness, work ethic, honesty and friendliness. And their rituals aren’t weirder than any other serious religion (much less so than some). I suppose it’s my own lukewarm brand of Midwestern Protestantism that makes Mormonism (and any serious religion) seem a bit zealous to me. But if that’s what it takes to survive, more power to ’em.
‘ Instead, ZOG will utilize ATF gestapo, Treasury Police, FBI and Blackwater-style mercs (Svigor, #15) in an effort to keep the lid on. Won’t work. ‘
Note that BP threatened TV reporters with arrest; the Coast Guard was involved somehow.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6496749n&tag=related;photovideo
Can someone upload that to WNTube?
http://wntube.com
Let’s just hope the shit hits the fan before the fervent efforts of the church’s leadership to turn it into yet another multiracial multinational modernist protestant denomination succeed.
Matt,
It would be a shame if the Church of LDS drank the multi-culti Kool Aid and began the process of diversity rot, but a cursory internet search indicated that may be the case with Latino and foreign converts. Well at least one religion is still highly ethnocentric, and they will never drink the Kool Aid. They know better – they made it.
The current military is predominately Fox News oriented types. There are some racially aware people, but not in much higher rates than the general population(it’s probably somewhat higher because the military skews right). Don’t think for a second that the military is on our side, they aren’t. One of the dangers of a highly professional army like ours now is that it is cut off from society and it’s members are more loyal to the institution than their nation(they don’t openly think that of course).
You have to distinguish between enlisted and officers. Most enlisted are apolitical kids. The officer corps is becoming increasingly populated by Evangelicals, Christian Zionists and Dominionist types. These people are all hostile to white racial consciousness, despite superficial similarities like disapproval of PC and illegal immigration. A lot these types are the sort of people who are shocked and scandalized by “racism” in the same way that liberals are. The tend to have grown up in very traditional, “nice” families and have been somewhat sheltered from mainstream America and badly behaved minorities(let alone Jews). They are often naive about other races and have the missionary type “save the savages by making them into us” type attitude. The also tend to be conformist and not open to questioning authority.
Anyone who is currently serving should not saying anything at all to indicate that on any pro-white internet venue. You can be kicked out for that and I’ve seen it happen. I’ve also seen army investigators posing as WN online to entrap people.
@37, others. That’s why hardright, WNs need to support ongoing state-secession movements. This splits military, as NG units go with states. Also, if Iran War goes badly, regular military will begin to look at the ZOG with increasing hostility.
My sense of today’s military is similar to some of the posters above. Communities with military bases are (in)famous for high levels of miscegenation. White men and women in the service are far, far more likely to marry another race.
It’s also true that the blacks in the military are a cut above the general Negro. They are no great shakes, mind you, but still they are a cut above. One of the most hardcore WN that I’ve known told me that he felt less racially conscious during his time in the military – and he was hardcore BEFORE going in, as well as after coming out. I remember being a bit disturbed by this, and asked why the military had such an effect on him. He just mentioned simple things, like the fact that proper norms of behavior were enforced, blacks had to keep their quarters clean, that sort of thing. What it boils down to is that blacks were just part of the team.
Sounds pretty bad from our perspective, eh? Well, yes and no. It does mean that we can’t count on the cavalry to charge over the hill and save us. If that happens, great. We just can’t count on it.
On the other hand, things change. It is true that the military is an insular institution in many ways, but it is not hermetically sealed. As our message spreads out into the broader white population, (which is something we can actually accomplish, rather than focusing on things that are largely out of our control), that message will also find its way into the white military. It’s inevitable.
Even the absolutely nauseating displays of miscegenation can be misleading. I remember reading that, just prior to the Balkans erupting into ethnic warfare, approximately one in seven marriages were between Muslims and Christians, which is a pretty good proxy for interethnic marriage (that may have been in Bosnia or just Kosovo, I can’t recall). Point is, it didn’t stop the coming slaughter. Even high rates of miscegenation, while fatal to us over time, don’t mean that the game is up any time soon.
Also one must consider that ours is a suppressed viewpoint across all of society, but nowhere is this more true than in the military. People learn to keep their mouths shut, and give the “right” answers when asked. This makes things seem pretty bleak for us, but it also means that our real strength is greater than our apparent strength (though we shouldn’t underestimate the actual effects of brainwashing). It also means that there is a lot of pent up anger across society, and while that may be somewhat less true in the military, I’m confident it exists there as well. And as societal turbulence increases, it will definitely have ramifications in the military.
But really, I think the whole “we must have the military on our side” idea is rather missing the point. The military is not going to be immune to the coming strain and stress that will plague all of our institutions. The Congressional Budget Office is predicting that, by 2020, yearly interest payments on the national debt will exceed 900 billion per year. That is a staggering figure, and it’s just one of many staggering problems that the system faces. The chickens are coming home to roost.
But what will most affect the military is the increasing polarization of society, and the accompanying lack of social cohesion. Again, the military may be insular, but it’s not that insular. As the broader society weakens and in some respects falls apart, this will inevitably weaken the military itself. History shows that armies are not at all immune to societal strife, no matter how cohesive they may seem at the outset. The take away point is this: as circumstances grow more favorable to us, the military will be less and less of a problem. Perhaps this takes the form of white servicemen actively assisting our cause, or perhaps it just means that the military will become ineffective as an opponent, we can’t know. But we can know that they will not be immune to the strains of the broader society.
Finally, people should read up on Fourth Generation Warfare. That’s the future, not our mongrelized military. So no, we can’t count on the cavalry to charge across the hill and rescue us. But the idea that we can’t win if that doesn’t happen is simply not true. As usual, the best advice is to concentrate on the things that we can control. As our message spreads, as our infrastructure is developed, we’ll find that nothing succeeds like success. A growing movement gets good breaks in unexpected places, and also finds that it is able to overcome the still inevitable bad breaks. For now, what we need are favorable trends, and our job is to help those along. If the military doesn’t help us, which seems likely, so be it. We’ll win anyway. On the positive side, with all of the chickens coming home to roost in this society, it would appear that Fate may indeed give us one last chance.
CompassionateFascist: “That’s why hardright, WNs need to support ongoing state-secession movements. This splits military, as NG units go with states.”
Exactly. That’s just one fault line that, if it opens wide enough, would seriously split and weaken the military. There are others. Any fault line that weakens the system is good for us.
We must never forget that the military is not immune to the coming strains that our society faces. One thing seems clear: the military of ten to fifteen years from now will not likely resemble its current form. Society is about to undergo massive changes, and so will the services. So when people say that we need the military to save us, I can only think, “What military?”
Anyone who is currently serving should not saying anything at all to indicate that on any pro-white internet venue. You can be kicked out for that and I’ve seen it happen. I’ve also seen army investigators posing as WN online to entrap people. – ATBOTL
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Does anyone know if Army and other military investigators go after Black and Mestizo gangs in the service the way they do White Advocates???
JJ: “…we are imagining that there will be support for us in the military…a deadly mirage.” While a large number of military people identify White, there will, at the onset of CW II, be no organizational support for WN. A premature, “whites only” racial uprising would be quickly stamped out. On the other hand, given the racial and territorial fissures in the military, I doubt if the ZOGsters will be stupid enough to try to use the military, after the coming Iran War and economic collapse, to enforce Martial Law and do gun/PM confiscation; too much risk of a military revolt against the State. Instead, ZOG will utilize ATF gestapo, Treasury Police, FBI and Blackwater-style mercs (Svigor, #15) in an effort to keep the lid on. Won’t work. States will then secede, bringing National Guard units and heavy weapons with them, while militias, and hundreds of thousands of armed, white, middle and working class Americans will be shooting back. ZOG will then try to use the regular military but – as in CW I – it will fragment. After a bloody few weeks(?) or months(?) and a few (million) deaths, the situation will briefly stabilize white hardright Nationalists, including WNs, holding the countryside, and ZOG globalistas, with their black and brown controlees, holed up in the cities. Then we go in and get them. Only wildcard will be – what will the chicoms and Russians do, observing all this? Might just decide to nuke us while our guard is down. We’ll see….
+1
ATBOTL”Anyone who is currently serving should not saying anything at all to indicate that on any pro-white internet venue. You can be kicked out for that and I’ve seen it happen. I’ve also seen army investigators posing as WN online to entrap people.”
Unfortunately, this is very good advice. It’s a shame because we really need the field reports from active duty servicemen. Still, very good advice.
Only wildcard will be – what will the chicoms and Russians do, observing all this? Might just decide to nuke us while our guard is down. (CompassionateFascist)
NeoNietzsche,
Its been a while and some of us have missed your commentary.
Welcome back.
If things break down here, are we in for some longterm UN occupation ala Kosovo?
UN? Are you joking? Right now I’m undecided about what to do with 866 2nd Ave. and the other buildings in that hive of evil. Current occupants will get a 48-hour eviction notice. Then maybe convert it into a Day Care center….naaahhhhh…..just blow it into the East River.
Trainspotter @14 “One of the most hardcore WN that I’ve known told me that he felt less racially conscious during his time in the military – and he was hardcore BEFORE going in, as well as after coming out. I remember being a bit disturbed by this, and asked why the military had such an effect on him. He just mentioned simple things, like the fact that proper norms of behavior were enforced, blacks had to keep their quarters clean, that sort of thing. What it boils down to is that blacks were just part of the team.
Sounds pretty bad from our perspective, eh?”
In some ways it sounds pretty good. I would be very happy to see the norms of behaviour enforced in the rest of society vis-a-vis blacks. For instance, being polite, riding the subways and busses in a quiet, non-threatening manner. Not talking in theatres, wearing normal clothes, obtaining insurance and drivers licenses before drivng, paying for items at stores, respecting the police, etc.
In a sense blacks are less of a problem in the Army because the Army still has force over them. The real problem in the USA is that the majority culture has lost all abilty to use or threaten force to maintain social norms of behavior. Come ethnostate or not, I look forward to living in a society that has regained its collective self-esteem enough to enforce norms of behavior on recalcitrant minorities.
If things break down here, are we in for some longterm UN occupation ala Kosovo? Essentially America is full to the brim with people who, while disagreeing on many other things, all hate the UN. UN Occupation? Ha! It would be a lot like opening day of dear season, only with hapless peacekeeps on pickup hoods from Midland, Michigan to Midland, Texas. It is the event that the militias have been fantasizing about for a generation.
Even Obama’s not that dumb. Can you imagine some poor Bangladeshi’s or Congoids coming to enforce peace, in Alabama or Texas? Or most other places that play country music on the radio?
The critical element is, with a few alluding to it but nobody directly addressing it is: most unpaid soldiers stop being soldiers. In short, the country is spending roughly twice as much as it brings in taxes. How does it do that? Answer: By borrowing. That game is ending because given financing needs and the more recent socialist ‘redistribution’ it must end (“that which is unsustainable won’t be sustained,” i.e., at least not for much longer). Probably over the next year to three years national financing for things like the military will be cut in half, and that will indeed have an impact on those that are currently doing it as a job (i.e., most of the so called ‘professionals’) and even on those who feel it is a patriotic duty. No, in the near future it is likley that the alien occupation government will be more worried about a disgruntled military than your average WN. Remember, what keeps the happy artificial multicultural fairyland together is the money. When the money runs out, the fairyland/fairytale ends. We need to position for the future reality, not so much the current subsidized utopia.
I don’t think the current crop of white Americans would fight a guerrilla war against some kind of military occupation. We are too soft and comfortable. People who talk about stuff like that don’t understand the level of sacrifice a population has to give to do that. It’s beyond our comprehension. We have only fought wars with overwhelming advantages. How long would any “resistance” last if the occupiers just executed all the people even vaguely suspected of being involved? How long would the “patriot militia” types be able to keep fighting if they were on the wrong side of a 50 to 1 kill ratio? These are the kinds of realities that guerrilla armies have to face.
We need to stop fantasizing about this stuff. If we are going to take America back, it’s going to be primarily through intellectual activity, media and political organizing.