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In recent years, the League of the South has shed the albatross of its fair weather friends, and has transformed itself into the only organization in existence that unflinchingly stands for the survival, well-being, and independence of the Southern people.
The League is becoming a younger and more aggressive ethnonationalist organization. The upcoming immigration protest in Uvalda, Georgia, which follows on the heels of another recent protest in Stark, Florida, is a sign of this new activist direction.
Connie Chastain has resurfaced from over the rainbow to write an article about the “radicalization” of the League of the South:
“When I started attending League of the South conferences and events in the early 2000s, the saying was, “When the League was founded in 1994, you could have held meetings of Southern nationalists in a telephone booth.”
When the League of the South was founded in 1994, it was largely composed of academics, many of whom turned out to be fair weather friends who were easily cowed into submission by accusations of “racism.” I wasn’t involved with the League in those days. I was 14 years old at the time.
“By the time I became aware of the League some seven or eight years later, its membership was reportedly in the tens of thousands.
That was back in the days when League spokesmen said things like, “Southerners are a people, not a race,” and League policy was guided by both traditional and Christian principles. There was tremendous respect for our Southern ancestors, particularly those who fought, suffered so much, and died for the cause of independence.
This pleased me because I considered myself to be both a heritage advocate and a Southern nationalist.”
During the Clinton administration, thousands of disgruntled Southern conservatives joined the League of the South, but when George W. Bush was elected president in 2000, and especially after the 9/11 attacks in 2001, these “American patriots” abandoned the League in droves because it was “unpatriotic” to support Southern secession while “America was under attack” by Muslims.
“I became a member of the League twice, but even when I wasn’t, I supported it and defended it from gratuitous attack. I rejected claims that the League was a “racist hate group” because the accusers always labeled as “racist” things that I did not define that way at all.”
Connie Chastain was a member of the League of the South twice. She ceased to be a member long before I became involved with the group.
“Over the past year or two, though, there have been indicators that the League is changing — radicalizing. It appears to have abandoned the counsel of wise elders to increasingly embrace the untried ideas of a younger folks.”
By “radicalizing,” Connie means that lots of young people are joining the League of the South who have little patience for the Rainbow Confederate nonsense of the Baby Boomer generation.
“I’m not one to automatically distrust or reject new ideas. I like innovation. But not to the extent of throwing out the proven, the reliable, the steadfast, as if it is so much trash, and embracing new ideas that are untried and whose effectiveness cannot be known.
The Rainbow Confederates are not proven, reliable, or steadfast: quite the opposite, they foolishly abandoned the League to “Take Back America” with George W. Bush, they piss all over themselves whenever leftists call them names, and they are the only generation in Southern history that failed to preserve our heritage.
“The indifference to tradition is seen in the development of a “Southern nationalist flag” (a black saltaire on a white field) to use in demonstrations and protests. The disapproval of this gratuitous change seems to be wide and spreading, particularly among those who have deep respect for Confederate soldiers and their flag.”
When the Confederacy was born in 1861, dozens if not hundreds of new flags appeared after secession and during the course of the war. New flags were created that were based on older symbols. That’s the difference between a living organic tradition, which is serviceable to the present generation, and something that is dead and belongs behind a display in a museum.
“Michael Cushman of the Southern Nationalist Network, who has led the push for the new flag. reported on Facebook that there has been “push back” against it. He linked to a blog post by white nationalist Brad “Hunter Wallace” Griffin attempting to generate approval for the new flag by trashing good, decent people who oppose it with the label “Confederate Cryptkeepers.
That term now joins the infamous definitionless term, Rainbow Confederates, in the arsenal of insults these people gratuitously use against good, decent Southerners.”
There is clearly a difference between people who are “advocating a restoration of a more healthy and sustainable way of life,” who can be described as nationalists, and those who are wedded to “the anachronistic fetishization of bygone nations, defunct oligarchies, and obsolete behavioral patterns.”
As a Southern Nationalist, I also believe in preserving our Confederate heritage, but I believe we are engaged in a modern struggle over a different set of issues and that our survival as a distinct people and culture is on the line. I’m more concerned about the quality of the public schools in my community, the availability of jobs, and the type of people controlling my government than Confederate monuments.
“Griffin, btw, has asked the burning question on his blog, “Can Christianity Save us?’ and by “us” he means the white race. I guess he doesn’t know that the purpose of Christianity is to save souls, not races, which, one supposes, makes it irrelevant to him….. “
In “Can Christianity Save Us?,” I was clearly defending Christianity from the charge that our religion is responsible for our racial and cultural decline.
“I participated on the Facebook thread that reported the “push back” on the flag, which has now apparently been deleted, but it reinforced some insights I’ve only glimpsed in the past. The ridicule and derision aimed at “old” Southern nationalists by “new” ones are worthy of the most vociferous flogger.”
My friend Bill here in Eufaula was one of the founding members of the League of the South.
“What do they hope to gain by this practice, this tactic? Do they really expect to increase their numbers when prospective members see this sort of verbal abuse aimed at anyone who dares to deviate from the new dogma?”
We’re building a Southern Nationalist vanguard for a long term struggle for Southern independence. We don’t need people who are going to keep washing out over non-existent shacks and hovels in Lowndes County, AL.
“Basically, what you have here is people who claim to love the South and its people and want to see them free — or preserved, depending on who’s talkin’. But what they really love is whiteness, which includes a built-in aversion to non-whiteness … and any Southerners who don’t share their dedication to whiteness are heaped with scorn and derision.”
It’s true that we are dedicated to “whiteness.”
We are pro-Southern, pro-Christian, pro-White, and pro-independence. Your suggestion that blacks are our people would have been considered outrageous to previous generations. We are a proud European people.
“Gracious. I simply note that a lot of yankees are white…”
Connie Chastain is the proof that many Yankees actually would make better Southerners than some of the people who were born here.
“Judging by the comments I’ve received from time to time as my disapproval of the League’s radicalization has become known, I’m certainly not the only one dismayed by this change. These folks still support independence for the South, though. There have been suggestions that maybe it’s time for a new group, one that remains true to the League’s original, recently jettisoned ideals.”
There is already an online home for elderly, disgruntled Rainbow Confederates: the Southern Heritage Non-Preservation Group.
“Perhaps they’re right. It will be interesting to see if the aversion to these changes for change’s sake, this contempt for and derision of Southerners, produces more flight from the League, and whether a new movement or organization more attuned to true Southernism will emerge.”
The Rainbow Confederates are the ones who have broken with “true Southernism.” My racial views were mainstream in the South into the 1970s and 1980s.
“Is a return to League national conferences held in phone booths on the horizon? Since phone booths have pretty much disappeared since 1994, perhaps they’ll have to use a bus stop shelter.”
A phone booth would provide ample room for the number of people who are reading Connie Chastain’s website … except for today, she is experiencing a highly unusual spike in traffic because I have linked to her blog.
Does Connie have any children?
A very seasoned citizen, with a pile of common sense and two more helpings where that pile came from.
Occidental Dissent should feature Connie more often. I thoroughly enjoyed her website – thank you OD for the link.
I organized the rally in Starke. We were not ashamed to carry the flags of our fathers. I see no resemblance between this protest (train wreck) in Uvalda and what we did in Starke. In Starke we were protesting AGAINST the atheist. In Uvalda it seems that we have them in our “leadership.”
The children are now running the kindergarten.
IMO, the difference seems to be that OD and SNN publicly supported the protest in Starke, Florida:
http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2013/06/29/fl-league-of-the-south-protests-atheist-monument-in-bradford-county/
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2013/07/01/florida-league-protests-american-atheists-monument/
http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2013/06/30/podcast-southern-nationalists-vs-american-atheists/
Neither OD or SNN is “ashamed to carry the flags of our fathers.” In fact, I remember doing just that (on video) back in Columbia, SC in 2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__jnNroR6i0
If you must know though, I had serious reservations at the time about the League getting mired into public protests over religion. I said after the last national conference that the League needs to do a much better job at appealing to Southerners who live in our cities and suburbs.
Nevertheless, I supported the protest in Starke, FL, and said nothing about it. I don’t understand why some people are so upset that their favorite flag isn’t being used at one protest, especially when the issue being contested in Uvalda is immigration, not anything related to the battle flag.
The non-enforcement of Georgia’s immigration law is an issue that resonates with the public. The locals also resent Paul Bridges. So, what’s the problem?
I don’t see a problem, but can I ask what is the rationale for not using the confederate flag?
Palmetto Patriot wants to keep the focus on immigration.
I also agree that the protest should be about immigration, not the battle flag. I don’t care which flag is used in Uvalda though. The important thing is for the League of the South to get out on the streets, get in their face, and to become the face of the resistance.
That’s why I supported both Pastor Wilson and Palmetto Patriot.
I, too, am aware of the LoS’s trajectory over time. Back in the days when they were the Southern League, they were sure doing gangbusters (note the sarcasm) when they were preaching the nonsense that Dixie can and should be multiracial. What interests me is how Michael Hill could be involved in both iterations of the LoS; that means I can’t really feel his racial views out if he so happily leads an LoS that starts out rainbow then shifts to ethnocentric.
Commie Chastain is probably fishing for an SPLC payday. That’s where “disgruntled” people who complain about a group’s “radicalization” (on the right) are usually going, the angle they’re usually playing. Maybe Dees can give her the honeymoon suite with Ian Jobling.
I see more intelligence and promise here than all past efforts combined. What matters is public perception. We have to play along with the frames forced on us by the media and current brainwashed state of the masses. Until we have our own mass media, and can assert our views as effectively as the jewish dominated giants, we will not be able to project positive portrayals of ourselves and our symbols.
When we win we can display any flag we so choose. This will come after we have successfully built a competitive mass media infrastructure and this will take ambition, decades of tireless work, and vast financing.
For comparison, the “blatant racism” of Welsh nationalists, protesting against the invasion and colonisation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khlw-CASa08&list=PLC57703D3A105D91E&index=1
“Does Connie have any children?”
Obviously not. She’s holding a cat.
Heroic view of history: Glyn Dwr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYBQ8cJgcl8&list=PLED8E9594B48E81FE led the small, poor population of Wales to secede from, and even invade the Norman Latin Empire, surpassing William Wallace and all other ethnic nationalist opponents of Norman Latin “integration” in the British Isles.
Will a similar champion arise among us, to lead against the Amerikan Global Empire?
Glyn Dwr sounds like the name of some long abandoned stop on the Pennsy’s West Chester line!
“Griffin, btw, has asked the burning question on his blog, “Can Christianity Save us?’ and by “us” he means the white race. I guess he doesn’t know that the purpose of Christianity is to save souls, not races, which, one supposes, makes it irrelevant to him….. “
Hmm. That’s odd. Cause Deuteronomy 32:8 says: “When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.”
Or does Connie Chastain reject the Old Testament as null and void? Perhaps she turns to Galatians 3:28, in which case I expect her to become an LGBT advocate any day now (hey, the verse says “there’s no male or female.” Own it honey!)
“Basically, what you have here is people who claim to love the South and its people and want to see them free — or preserved, depending on who’s talkin’. But what they really love is whiteness, which includes a built-in aversion to non-whiteness … and any Southerners who don’t share their dedication to whiteness are heaped with scorn and derision.”
Connie Chastain is not denying that Whiteness and Southron identity are intrinsically linked, she’s justifying why they SHOULDN’T be linked. She’s so filled with self-loathing and hatred for her own race that she doesn’t want Whiteness to have anything to do with being a Southerner. She wants Southron identity to be the latest “Brotherhood of Man” frat club. Dixie, Russia, Poland, England, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, France, Greece, Germany, etc, etc, etc…all nations “united” by a “common creed,” don’t you see?
Connie Chastain loves these kind of people:
http://tinyurl.com/l3qkfvk
And hates these kind of people:
http://tinyurl.com/lf79cnh
She’s not anti-racist, she is anti-White.
There is nothing “radical” about defining Southern as White … that’s the way it was done right until the emergence of the Rainbows in the 1990s.
I ought to get to work on that book, The Rise and Fall of the Rainbow Confederacy.
I wish the pro white conservative faction could come together and not get tangled in minor issues. The current arguments for Christianity saving or destroying us doesn’t seem relevant. I am an evangelical Christian, but I also fully understand that saving souls is what it is about. The original Christian faith of Paul and the apostles did not include a “just war” doctrine which I believe came about through the writing of Augustine and to a large degree Constantine. I readily accept the fact that not turning the other cheek will ultimately be necessary to save Westwrn Civilization (white civilization). For my willingness to fight I may have to ask forgiveness, but that is a matter of my faith. I am willing to stand by my white brothers even in armed conflict if needed regardless of my faith.
Let’s get our priorities straight and save the lives of our people so they can decide whether or not they want to pursue a Christian life. We don’t need wishy washy people such as those in a “rainbow confederacy”. We have that in our modern churches.
I for one and very thankful our churches are still one of the most segregated places left in America.
“The Rainbow Queen says the League is “radicalizing””
Next she’ll be calling the League “extremists”.
This is their way of inciting violence against people, that represent White interests. When they attack the representatives of Whites, they are attacking all Whites as a racial group.
“I also agree that the protest should be about immigration, not the battle flag.”
How does parading around with a made up flag that no one knows put the focus on immigration? This is one of the things that I really don’t get. This borders on delusional IMO. This novel flag will actually take the focus off immigration and put it on the novel flag. If the organizers don’t want the battle flag, then they should suggest no flags at all. Not replace the battle flag with something equally or more likely to take the focus off immigration.
I don’t know.
I will let Palmetto Patriot explain that one. I don’t care which flags are used at our protests. I’m happy to use any flag that the organizers want to put in my hand. The important thing is showing up and getting out in the streets, getting in the face of the enemy, and becoming the face of the resistance.
It’s hard to believe that so many people are spilling so much ink about not being able to use their favorite flag for one day at one protest. The battle flag was just used at the protest in Starke, FL. No one complained about it then. Instead of making a scene about plunging the League into a debate over religion, I think that some of us were just happy to see the League finally doing something in the streets, and were eager to do something ourselves in another state.
As for the issue of novel flags, I said above that dozens, if not hundreds of novel flags were created during the struggle for Southern independence in the 1860s. New flags are spawned by new struggles in Europe all the time in nations which are far older than our own.
“Glyn Dwr sounds like the name of some long abandoned stop on the Pennsy’s West Chester line!”
The original Welsh colony was centred there, in Chester, Montgomery and Bucks counties. You might find this once popular myth interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc#Encounters_with_Welsh_Indians
Re: “The original Christian faith of Paul and the apostles did not include a ‘just war’ doctrine which I believe came about through the writing of Augustine and to a large degree Constantine. I readily accept the fact that not turning the other cheek will ultimately be necessary”:
“it was said that any one dressed like a Quaker was far safer among the Indians than one who carried a gun”: http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/marshall/country/country-IV-40.html
Another question is, what does the battle flag have to do with immigration?
Do you want to discuss a war from a hundred years ago, or do you want to discuss the issues affecting Southerners today?
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Mosin: what’s going down in Pennsylvania? This for real?
>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/06/1229194/-The-Town-Of-Gilberton-PA-Has-Been-Taken-Over-By-Miltia
I’ve commented on it here before, Lew. Nothing new really, just what goes on in “redneck” rural Pennsyltucky. One of the local community festivals features a huge stars and bars over the main stage every year with no stars and stripes in sight. http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPAxfDvDuCwAQ-MoivCiStQ/videos
Look at this crap out here in Assville:
http://www.blackmountainnews.com/article/20130806/NEWS/308060023/
5000-7000 people turn out to listen to the revruhnd dokter NC NAACP prezidint William Barber demand more white tax dollars. 85% of the turnout was white anti whites. This is what the LOS an SN’s faces. Assville is a queer bird as far as southern cities go, but illustrates the carpetbagger effect on southern cities and towns perfectly. Raleigh and Charlotte aren’t lagging too far behind .
Rich cosmopolitan masses in places like Asheville can sway an entire state from conservatism.
The “don’t tread on me” flag might be good to stop bickering. I don’t have any problem with the battle flag though.
http://www.ultimateflags.com/images/P/gadsden-flag-dont-tread-on.gif
I just went over and checked out her site. Honestly, I just feel badly for her. The world has changed around her, and one can no longer serve God and mamon. It’s time to choose, just ask Paula Dean. I sincerely believe Connie is proud of the South and loves her heritage, whatever shade she chooses to paint it in, but her fear of having to make this choice is prompting her to lash out. It’s becoming obvious one cannot be pro-South and pro-American any longer.
Red Philips writes:
‘How does parading around with a made up flag that no one knows put the focus on immigration? This is one of the things that I really don’t get. This borders on delusional IMO. This novel flag will actually take the focus off immigration and put it on the novel flag. If the organizers don’t want the battle flag, then they should suggest no flags at all. Not replace the battle flag with something equally or more likely to take the focus off immigration.’
Very negative language, Red. I don’t understand why you and Pastor Wilson are so vehemently against us all of a sudden. It appears your mind is made up on the subject so there is nothing really for me to say. However, we are not going to be parading around. We are going to be holding a stationary demonstration. And the flags will not be the centre or focus of that demonstration. They will accompany it. The focus will be the 4 large banners we have that read ‘For the Southern people’ as well as the anti-immigration/Mayor Bridges signs we will hold. There will be a small number of flags to go with the banners and signs. We do wish to introduce the new flag as a symbol for our activists (we have more demonstrations planned and are stepping up our game on that front and making public activism a priority – we want to become the main anti-immigration movement in the South). I realise this will not persuade you. And to be honest, I am no longer trying to persuade you or Pastor Wilson or the small number of others who have decided they are not even going to give us a chance. It is unproductive for me to do so. I do think the demonstration will be a success. As for the flag, it has sparked a new enthusiasm among folks and it was just recently introduced. In the coming months I believe this enthusiasm will grow. The nay-sayers will be left with the option of doing their own thing if they wish or getting on board. And that brings up a good question. This small number of scattered people who have attacked us over the flag are not holding an anti-immigration rally of their own, are they? They are just attacking us.
Look at this crap out here in Assville:
Asheville is a hippy-dippy college town. I’m guessing that most of the “demonstrators” were college kids on summer break, hanging downtown in the pubs. And from the video it seems like there were the usual handful of younger white women who are always “down with the brown”, some older middle-age and retired liberal white women (probably Florida expats who left the state due to the increasing brown influx and negro violence, but won’t admit it), and a few overweight angry negro women (the men are too busy jukin’ and jivin’ for this sort of thing).
I also think the most important thing is that the League put people on the streets. Flags are secondary at most and when given too much importance are a distraction. Frankly I’m disappointed at those of us who have all but come out in opposition to the demonstration simply because there is a rule about what flags are permitted. They are putting their own opinions and egos ahead of Southern nationalism. To risk alienating other Southern nationalists through slander is counter productive. Save your ammo for our true enemies not those who are fighting by your side.
Connie who?
about the LOS exodus after Bush-911, if the country didn’t have the Latins, it would not have the muslim (and muslim ISSUES). The historical U.S. population DOES NOT SHARE that grand “crusade” history, nor love of the south europe-african border (spain being 8 miles from africa if you get a map).
North Europe- West Europe had other concerns, with the crusade folk functioning as a border people for them (doing the anti-muslim crusades in past history, so the northwest europeans who settled the u.s. and created the constitution never EVER dealt with those people AT ALL.
In the absence of that issue, the people who had settled the u.s. (wasps)—- had completely other ISSUES, mindsets, memes, historical trajectory to the country, languages, arts, famous poets and writers and painters, and a way of gardening, painting, writing, all their own.
Nobody ever really seems to acknowledge this, lol
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”Griffin, btw, has asked the burning question on his blog, “Can Christianity Save us?’ and by “us” he means the white race. I guess he doesn’t know that the purpose of Christianity is to save souls, not races, which, one supposes, makes it irrelevant to him….. “
Has anyone asked this woman what she thinks of the “Mantra”?
If Christianity doesn’t oppose white genocide what is the church’s moral base?
—and about this new flag and rainbow issue,
the new flag, being black and white and saltire, looks pro-white/ white nationalist, which so many tie to being “fascist.”
But the “New South” (which the pro-Confederates) also seem to despise (as a yankee thing, which it is)— IS A RESULT of fascism. A RESULT of militarist-corporatism. Only huge revolving doors of government and business can CAUSE everything in the south to be printed in a foreign language (spanish), and CAUSE huge influxes of Latin people as in central NC, Nova, South Florida, only fascism can CAUSE the complete overturning of u.s. populations (making them latin) from New Haven all the way to Florida. Not to mention the appropriation of MILLIONS OF ACRES of Americans homes and land for military bases, endless strip malls, all with pizza-rias and taco stands.
That IS fascism.
The word fascism is never discussed enough.
Without Fascism, the “New South” that the self-described “fascist” profess to hate would not be possible.
Big Bucks have gone into Making Hitler synonymous with RACE. Ask anyone how many countries were in WWII, and they cannot tell you, not even if they have advanced degrees in history. ESPECIALLY if they have advanced degrees in history, lol.
The whole point of this, is so YOU WILL LIVE IN FASCISM (as you do) and WILL NOT KNOW IT. It is not “fascism,” since you “fought against it in WWII,” and b/c it’s about race, like on the t.v.’s History Channel. And you are told it is an “age of equality,” (lol)
Equality DOES NOT EXIST (ever). Every single thing is Unique.
You are in a rigidly HEIRARCHICAL SOCIETY right now, aren’t you? It is just a heirarchy which sees white southerners at the bottom, lol. If you are German, you can write a Greg Isles novel about the south, as he does, and do very well regurgitating television cliches about things you know nothing about.
That is fascism—- the cutting off of oneself from Experiential Reality and, instead, regurgitating the standard memes, mindlessly.
Yesterday, witnessed a NET female gossipping with a group and trying (subtly) to impress people with her anti-white ideas. She was talking about the funny, stupid redneck rubes, (in the nicest sort of way), and it was interesting to watch her sort of flounder, as she was unable to position herself socially, using those standard northeast signifiers. Once those were taken away, she DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY, had nothing to offer. Her only other topic of conversation seemed to be her gym “workouts,” lol.
that is fascism at its finest.
Hunter and Palmetto Patriot,
To be clear, I don’t have an issue with the dress code in general especially as it pertains to neatness and professionalism. I think banning all symbols is a bit heavy handed. I don’t see the problem with someone in nice jeans and boots with a Confederate belt buckle for example. In fact, that kind of iconography might be helpful. Let the leftists trust fund babies show up to their protests doing their best to look like they are actually homeless, and let our side have a few people who look like they’re from central casting (boots, jeans, belt buckle), and those contrasting images would I think be to our advantage. But that is a relatively minor issue.
I have also already conceded that I think it would be distracting if a lot of people showed up waving the CBF as that would immediately characterize the protest in a certain way and distract from the immigration message. But to think that you can not display the CBF but replace it with this new flag that clearly invokes the CBF and that is somehow going to be less distracting and contribute to “message discipline” on immigration boggles my mind. I can’t even get my mind around the thought process here. Assuming that the protest is sucessful numbers wise and that you do manage to garner some media attention, I just can’t fathom how images of a bunch of people waving some black and white flag that invokes the CBF but no one knows what is helps this message discipline. This might be a way to “roll out” the SN flag, but it is no way to keep the focus on immigration.
But that is a tactical concern. My underlying issue is with this new ideas for new times paradigm shift. Hunter says “I believe we are engaged in a modern struggle over a different set of issues,” and that is just one of many examples. What does that even mean? If the future goal is secession then first you must legitimize secession as an option, and you can’t legitimize secession without rhetorically refighting the issue. My concern is not with maintaining Confederate memorials per se. My concern is with fighting the Zeitgeist that demonizes all things Confederate. So we are to press forward? Press forward to what? To think that we can create a new movement for secession while the Zeitgeist still is as it is is a head scratcher to me. The Zeitgeist has to be engaged and defeated before there can be a sucessful political mass movement or at least engaged simultaneously.
As I said, I usually save my fire for the left and avoid these intra-right feuds. But I decided to interject myself into this debate because I didn’t like the “you either get with the program or you’re a hindrance” vibe I was picking up on. Cooler heads need to take a deep breath and think this through.
And I admit that my choice of “parading around” was needlessly provocative and unhelpful. For that I apologize. If I am trying to generate a thoughtful and intelligent discussion rather than calls to “get with the program” then I shouldn’t inflame things myself.
Just as in modern America, or omerica as I call it, the face of the nation is changing, and new ideas and directions will come, like it or not. I not a member of The League, but I am a Christian Southerner, that believes in biblical values, high standards and doing things the right way. I also believe and know if an organization has a rally or protest, or hopes to recruit large numbers of quality members, and they show up with the symbols of the Confederacy, they have already lost. No matter what you do or who you are, you will be ridiculed by the media and ignored by the majority of Americans, because they do not understand where you’re coming from. My point is this. The country is evolving at a really fast pace, and the SNN had better learn to evolve with it, or it will be insignificant in a short period of time or overrun by something else. I to believe in establishing a nation free of the vile masses of omerica, but it has to be packaged and sold on freedom and liberty, not on race or heritage. I believe this would naturally happen in the South, and that’s a good thing. The thing to remember is the Southern movement claims to adhere to Christian values, which include grace, peace and mercy. That doesn’t mean you don’t fight for what’s right, it just means you approach it form these values and let the chips fall where they may.
Mosin, Penn and his Quakers were just lucky. The tribes they encountered were not Apaches, Comanches, or some other war like tribe. Otherwise, we would be reading about how Penn and his buddies got massacred by the Indians because of their foolish pacifism. (And probably eaten too. Many of those tribes practiced cannibalism to boot.)
@Red Hill Rebel
The Republicans have been playing color blind games for 50 years and they have lost miserably and because America is browning, they will never see power again.
You can win on the race issue, but you have to take the moral high ground and keep it. The moral high-ground is White Survival, you must force your enemies to talk about it. Force them to discuss if Whites have the right to exist, or we must be blended out of existence. That is genocide.
Re: Red Phillips
As I said in “Cryptkeepers of the Confederacy,” the issue we are fighting over today is our existence, our very demographic survival as a distinct people, which cuts to the heart of this protest in Uvalda. I’m fighting to determine the world that will be left behind to my children, not the battle flag, which is the reason why I find the outcome of this struggle relevant to my own life:
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/05/the_white_souths_last_defeat/
I love the battle flag as much as anyone else. It is publicly displayed on the sidebar of this website. I don’t care about the flag issue. The only thing that I really care about is the world that my children will inherit when I am gone.
I also want to preserve Confederate memorials.
Is that possible though under this system? We’re being driven out of schools, neighborhoods, cities, counties, and in some places, entire states. That’s what I mean when I say we have to “secure our existence.” We’ve lost Birmingham, AL and Memphis, TN, not merely a downtown monument!
Once we “secure our existence,” which means putting a stop to this slow motion genocide (read the Michael Lind article on our impending “demographic” defeat), then and only then will we be in a position to preserve our heritage. These people who think that they can preserve our heritage under the present anti-White, anti-Southern system have their priorities backwards.
In an independent South, the Confederacy will once again be an honored part of our past … but, it is impossible to imagine that ever happening under the present system, which only becomes more anti-Southern and anti-White (see Django Unchained) with each passing year.
The goal we are moving toward is secession. The reason we have to secede is because we have no choice in the matter … it is either secession or revolution, or demographic oblivion and South African-style oppression.
The stakes here are a thousand times greater than they were during the American Revolution or the War Between the States. The Confederates only lost their slaves and their independence. We are on the verge of losing our existence.
If I may interject something here:
The stakes here are a thousand times greater than they were during the American Revolution or the War Between the States. The Confederates only lost their slaves and their independence. We are on the verge of losing our existence.
I don’t know that I agree with you on this one, Hunter. Aren’t we fighting for our survival because The Confederates lost? What I mean to say is the current struggle, and the past struggle are not separate issues. The rhetoric may be different, but when you boil down the War for Southern Independence to its core, it was about tyrannical centralized government running over the States. Is that not the basis of the current struggle?
It seems to me that there is something to what Red Phillips is saying about defeating the Zeitgeist. I would think that to achieve the goal of secession we must convince the “sheeple” that Lincoln was wrong, and his war was unjust. If that never happens secession is off the table, and our independence will have to be won through armed conflict.
Regardless, kudos to the LOS for trying to further the cause, and stepping up their activism. Whether or not I agree with your assessment that this fight is a new fight, I certainly agree with your sentiment that:
The Rainbow Confederates are not proven, reliable, or steadfast
Keep up the good work, sir.
Connie Ward/Chastain’s saying that we used the phone booth illustration at The League’s beginning in 1994 is in error. Actually, that was a phrase used by the Louisiana Kennedy brothers (authors of The South Was Right!) to describe the nascent Southern Nationalist movement they were involved in at a young age in the late 1960s. It would have had to have been a pretty large phone booth at the League’s founding meeting, as we had 42 people there! Just an example of poor research on her part.
SOME WRITERS AT THIS SITE KEEP BRINGING UP THE WORD FASCISM. THEY KNOW LITTLE ABOUT FASCISM AND SHOULD STOP BEING FATUOUS ABOUT FASCISM.
Interesting: http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/even-media-can-no-longer-ignore-black-violence/ But WHY is the naming and criticism being allowed now?
Meanwhile, the most POWERFUL wavelength of the Rainbow, “They who cannot be named or criticised”, still cannot be named or criticised.
Just to horn in here with some unsolicited comments, I hope this flag matter doesn’t cause any more division among the SNsts than is necessary. I think PP and RP both make good points. If there is media coverage, they will portray you as racist, white supremacists, and neo-confederates no matter what flags and symbols you do or don’t bring.
The most important thing is to just showing up and making it clear that SNst are FOR a better quality of life Southerners. I would suggest you spend as much time or more protesting the white mayor and the white enablers of immigration as the destructive impact of non-white immigration itself on the South (causes rather than symptoms)
I don’t see where this flag matter needs to be definitively resolved today or in the near future. Try it without the CBF. If it doesn’t work, bring the CBF the next time. Otherwise, don’t bring it.
Clearly, we still have Rainbows in our midst, either that, or we have reenactors who are confused about what the League of the South is all about.
There’s also some that have the League confused for a church, which League President Michael Hill has repeated explained that it is not, in fact it can’t be a church, only the Christian church is that.
Those disputing the southern nationalist flag, wanting instead to turn the protest in Uvalda into yet another CSA remembrance rally (as if we need another time waster like that) are not just not helpful, they are harming our movement. They are boat anchors from which cutting the chain may be required.
This discussion has been held, it is over. Either get with the program or shut up about it already.
@Red Phillips
“If the future goal is secession then first you must legitimize secession as an option, and you can’t legitimize secession without rhetorically refighting the issue.”
Well said.
Just a FYI (read the replies)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023420616
Neo-Confederates to Install 15 foot Battle Flag on Virginia’s I-95
“Those disputing the southern nationalist flag, wanting instead to turn the protest in Uvalda into yet another CSA remembrance rally”
Pat, I don’t know if this is addressed to me specifically, or if you are just lumping objections and objectors together, but if it is you clearly haven’t read or understood what I wrote.
“Those disputing the southern nationalist flag, wanting instead to turn the protest in Uvalda into yet another CSA remembrance rally … are not just not helpful, they are harming our movement. They are boat anchors from which cutting the chain may be required.”
Some of us have complained about an intolerance of dissent. Hmmm … where would we get an idea like that? No, no intolerance of dissent here.
“Get with the program or go away!” is not an argument. It is a dodge and a bullying tactic. If people raise substantive objections they should be met with substantive counter arguments, not hand waved aside. I thought we were better than this. If I wanted to be told to “Get with the program or go away!” I would go post at RedState or FreeRepublic.
Did I miss a memo or something? I thought the League was a sociopolitical organization that was attempting to bring about a mass movement that would lead to Southern independence. Has it become instead a cadre type organization where uniformity of opinion is required and dissent is purged away?
Everyone is free to debate the issue on OD.
I would do away with the PRO-
We are Christian, We are White, and we are Southeners.