Time: Lincoln Saved American Democracy. We Can Too

The White South is getting uppity again.


“In the 1860s, war was required to bend the arc of the moral universe toward justice. That is the great fact of the American story: secessionist white Southerners chose to fight and to die rather than surrender an aristocracy of race. The Civil War, Lincoln told Congress in 1861, “presents to the whole family of man the question whether a constitutional republic, or democracy—a government of the people by the same people—can or cannot maintain its territorial integrity against its own domestic foes.”

The battle of the third decade of the 21st century is, for now, of a different scale. But we have already seen attempted insurrection, and many adherents of one of our two major political parties refuse to accept the legitimacy of the 2020 election, setting the stage for subsequent denials of reality as soon as next month’s midterms. While the Civil War era, therefore, is not a precise analogy, we would be derelict in our duties as citizens if we did not reckon with what Lincoln reckoned with: the often self-sacrificing demands of decency and of democracy. …”

This is from the court historian Jon Meacham who was behind the “semi-fascism” speech. He also wrote Joe Biden’s “Soul of America” speech.


  1. All the conservatives are calling for secession today and form their own states but condemned the South when they wanted to do the same thing 160 years ago.

    Thanks to Lincoln we have a diverse “democracy.’ today.

    • The “Union” as established in 1789 was not a death cult. There was nothing in the legal tradition of Western Civilization that suggests that political associations once enjoined cannot be dissolved. The logic and justifications for breaking political bonds was firmly enshrined in the 1776 Declaration of Independence, which was after all one of the US Government’s legal founding documents, from which it allegedly claims its legitimacy. It makes no sense legally or morally that the Confederate States could not invoke the same rights and logic again in 1860. During the War of 1812, the disgruntled Yankee traders in New England opposed war with Britain on the grounds that it was bad for their shipping empires. They had a convention in Hartford Conn in 1814 for the specific purpose of leaving the United States and forming a new independent confederation. Evidently succession was a fine thing and the sacred “Union” was not important enough to fight over when the Yankees want to do it.

    • John says, “All the conservatives” are calling for “secession today”. Really? Isn’t that just a bit hyperbolic. What about the leftists who write about national divorce. What about libertarians? Sure there are confused people of all stripes who condemn the South for seceding 160 years ago based on a bad history education. Many people on the left and the right think secession is treason. Many right-wingers believe Lincoln was a conservative. How stupid are they?

      Get Tom Woods new free ebook at https://nationaldivorce.com for an intelligent read.

      Listen to Brion McClanahan take apart court historian Jon Meacham’s article in TIME.
      “In what can only be described as one of the worst articles in the history of Time Magazine, Jon Meacham argues that the time is right for the Democrats to take a page from Abraham Lincoln and “save democracy.” I wonder if he wants to kill 1 million Americans?”

      Did Lincoln “Save Democracy”? https://youtu.be/13nRa1A-R74

  2. >Selected by the Bush family to be the official biographer for George H. W. Bush

    Don’t tell me about decency

  3. The contemporary right just wants common sense nationalism and conservatism, that’s it.
    The sort of national conservatism the Anglosphere had up until 1965 or so.
    Nothing spooky, no fascism, ‘semi-fascism’ or whatever.
    The left, on the other hand, has embraced woke, and woke is nothing less than the wholesale suicide of western civilization and its replacement with this transnational technoligarchy.
    Insofar as the left embraces this nihilistic cult, it’s the left that needs to be destroyed, to ‘save democracy’ or, to save republicanism rather.
    Plain and simple.

  4. The left is basically calling for civil war at this point, the self-appointed ‘defenders of democracy’ don’t like democracy when the people don’t vote the way they want them to.
    They hate democracy, they’re technoligarchs, and they need to be eliminated.

  5. I think you need to look a little deeper on Lincoln.
    He was the champion of the deep state at the great devide of the United States not THE UNITED STATES Corp.
    We need to go back to the foundation of this Republic Sir.
    Not the foundation of the beginning of this so called Democracy.
    The 14th amendment forever placed us into a corporate plantation.

  6. >>>“In the 1860s, war was required to bend the arc of the moral universe toward justice. That is the great fact of the American story: secessionist white Southerners chose to fight and to die rather than surrender an aristocracy of race.

    This is an admission that the Union was the aggressor. Unionists preached slave revolt and mass murder of Southern Whites before succession, which drove to Southern States to leave the Union as the best means of self defense. There is no government power to wage war against its on citizens whether couched in social justice nonsense or not. Having failed to invoke an effective slave revolt and murder campaign against the South, and helpless to legally prevent the Southern states from voting to leave the Union one by one, Lincoln was forced to cool his jets for 5 months until he could provoke the newly independent South into using force to remove the last Union fortress from South Carolina’s sovereign territory. Lincoln had already withdrawn Federal troops from all other forts in Southern territory, and held onto Sumpter as a provocation.
    After that bloodless fight, Lincoln framed the Confederate States to be in rebellion against the United States and used the insurrection powers of the Constitution to call forth the militia into Federal service. This of course is nonsense. The South was not trying to overthrow and replace the Federal Government, they were trying to leave it . The Union operated on this lie until after the Antietam in 1862 when they could “bend the arc of the moral universe…” and issue the Emancipation Proclamation. This of course was another lie. It did not free any of the Slaves in the Union states of Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, or Kentucky, It only applied to the Slaves in the newly independent country of the CSA, which Lincoln did not control. The British did the same thing in 1776 to the new United States. They “freed” all the slaves in the rebel colonies while keeping the ones in the rest of their empire locked up until 1833. So much for moral universes.

    >>> Lincoln told Congress in 1861, “presents to the whole family of man the question whether a constitutional republic, or democracy—a government of the people by the same people—can or cannot maintain its territorial integrity against its own domestic foes.”

    Conflating a constitution republic with democracy is inexcusable. One need only look to Federalist 10 for a thorough discussion. The Framers strongly disliked democracy and established a republic designed to safeguard the liberty of the American people.
    Oh, and the territory of the Southern States belongs to the people who live in those states and not the Federal government. They voted legally and openly to leave the Union and establish a new nation with a new Constitution. They were maintaining their territorial integrity against Lincoln’s aggression when they opened up on Ft. Sumpter. The Founder’s Republic died when civility, reason, and the rule of law failed to restrain the Abolitionists from their murder campaign and the South was forced to severe all political bonds with the Union. Sumpter just empowered Lincoln to use the Army to invade the CSA to do the same thing that John Brown had tried in 1859, an invasion predicated on burning, looting, murdering, and displacing an existing nation of people.

    • “Oh, and the territory of the Southern States belongs to the people who live in those states and not the Federal government. ”

      You left out: ” or to the Northern People, who think, even to this day, that the Southern States belong to them, and that the Southern People are their subordinate subjects and barely tolerated tennants, not their “fellow Americans®.” They also think that the states to the south and west of Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois, are their colonial possessions, as well.

      The Northern People also think that they are the federal government, and that they are the United States, exclusively. Many even believe themselves to be the living embodiments and avatars of the United States and its government. They certainly believe thar their subordinate subjects in the Southern and Western States, are little better than talking animals.

  7. Yes, Saint abraham lincoln, saved american democracy, but first he murdered the Noble American Republic, j.meachan, you come across as someone trapped in a twentieth century time warp, spare us your drivel meacham, your not talking to third graders…..

    • Meacham’s Establishment drivel extolling Democracy will only be of interest to PBS watching boomers.

  8. … secessionist white Southerners chose to fight and to die rather than surrender an aristocracy of race.

    Oh look — per Wikipedia (link), he resides in Belle Meade TN, which is (surprise!) 96% white (link) — but don’t go imagining that has anything to do with his own personal version of an ‘aristocracy of race’.

    These people are too funny.

    And again one sees how secession devolves to solely a desire by those evil southerners to preserve slavery — in popular culture other causes of secession are rarely if ever considered.


    And if you look at his Wikipedia page, you’ll see there exists something called the Sandra Day O’Connor Institute — I have no idea what the fuck that could be — she’s the midwit justice who wrote the famously idiotic ‘affirmative action will only be necessary for another 25 years’ opinion in Grutter v Bollinger — humoring women will be remembered as contributing mightily to the decline of the West.

  9. Lincoln destroyed not saved the original USA and replaced it with the Yankee Empire which ruled over their newly conquered territories (5 military districts) in the South using many Black USCTs to enforce Yankee rule on the beaten down impoverished white southern people forcing them to turn to vigilantism for justice/protection. The South endured the War, Reconstruction. Basically, the South has endured while the Yankees have crowed/boasted on how great the Yankee Empire is for the past 160 years.

    Now these Yankee anti-God/anti-South/homo/tranny/woke/marxist/communist/etc demons are flooding the South with illegals to try to finish us off in the manner W. T. Sherman suggested to do to Georgia (but never replaced the citizens) when he proposed his campaign to make Georgia howl (SC got it even worse) to U. S. Grant.

    Allatoona 7:30 p.m.

    Oct. 9th 1864

    Lt. Gen. Grant

    City Point

    It will be a physical impossibility to protect this road now that Hood, Forrest, Wheeler and the whole batch of Devils are turned loose without home or habitation. I think Hoods movements indicate a direction to the end of the Selma and Talladega road to Blue Mountain about sixty miles south west of Rome from which he will threaten Kingston, Bridgeport and Decatur and I propose we break up the road from Chattanooga and strike out with wagons for Milledgeville Millen and Savannah.

    UNTIL WE CAN REPOPULATE GEORGIA it is useless to occupy it, but utter destruction of its roads, houses, and PEOPLE will cripple their military resources. By attempting to hold the roads we will lose a thousand men monthly and will gain no result. I can make the march and make Georgia howl. We have over 8,000 cattle and 3,000,000 pounds of bread but no corn, but we can forage the interior of the state.

    W.T. Sherman

    M. Genl.

    The South wanted to secede peacefully and not fight a war but Lincoln wanted blood, he refused to meet with southerners to discuss a peaceful separation. He got his blood alright. He caused the 100,000s of deaths on both sides and his own blood was spilled when he was shot in the back of the head execution style with no one to stop his assassin as justice was finally served to this wicked tyrant.

    True to our traditions of peace and our love of justice, we sent commissioners to the United States to propose a fair and amicable settlement of all questions of public debt or property which might be in dispute. But the Government at Washington, denying our right to self-government, refused even to listen to any proposals for a peaceful separation. Nothing was then left to do but to prepare for war.
    — President Jefferson Davis, Second Inaugural Address, Virginia Capitol, Richmond, 02/22/1862.

    Was Lincoln upset on the treatment given to Southern civilians during Sherman’s devastating march across Georgia and the Carolina’s? No, when Sherman told him the details it caused Lincoln to laugh almost uncontrollably.

    Neither was Lincoln ignorant of his armies’ atrocities. In his memoirs Sherman wrote that at a meeting with Lincoln after his March, the President was eager to hear the stories of how thousands of Southern civilians, mostly women, children, old men and slaves, were plundered, tortured, raped, murdered and rendered homeless. According to Sherman, the President laughed almost uncontrollably at these narratives. Sherman’s biographer Lee Kennett, concluded that had the Confederates won the war, they would have been:

    “justified in stringing up President Lincoln and the entire Union high command for violations of the laws of war, specifically for waging war against noncombatants.”

    “I am with the South in life or death, in victory or defeat. I believe the North is about to wage a brutal and unholy war on a people who have done them no wrong, in violation of the constitution and the fundamental principles of government. They no longer acknowledge that all government derives its validity from the consent of the governed. They are about to invade our peaceful homes, destroy our property, and murder our men and dishonor our women. We propose no invasion of the North, no attack on them, and only ask to be left alone.”
    — General Patrick Cleburne

    “I loved the old government in 1861. I loved the old Constitution yet. I think it is the best government in the world, if administered as it was before the war. I do not hate it; I am opposing now only the radical revolutionists whoare trying to destroy it. I believe that party to be composed, as I know it is in Tennessee, of the worst men on Gods earth – men who would not hesitate at no crime, and who have only one object in view – to enrich themselves.”
    — Nathan Bedford Forrest, in an interview shortly after the war

    “When the South raised its sword against the Union’s Flag, it was in defense of the Union’s Constitution.”
    — Confederate General John B. Gordon

    “I love the Union and the Constitution, but I would rather leave the Union with the Constitution than remain in the Union without it.”
    — President Jefferson Davis

    The consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, WILL BE THE CERTAIN PRECURSOR OF THAT RUIN WHICH HAS OVERWHELMED ALL THOSE THAT HAVE PRECEDED IT (emphasis mine)
    — Robert E. Lee, in reply letter to Lord Acton, 12-15-1866.

    “Rosecrans [former Union general] said, in substance, ‘Now, Governor Stockdale, let us hear how your gallant Texans feel toward the old government and the old flag?’

    “I replied: ‘General Rosecrans, since that day in June, 1865, when General Merritt with his soldiers drove me from the Government House, I have held no office in Texas, and have not been authorized by the people of Texas to represent them in anything; but I know them well, and I am sure that you may say this: the people of Texas will remain quiet, and not again resort to forceful resistance against the Federal Government, whatever may be the measures of that government.’

    “General Rosecrans replied very unctuously, ‘Ah ! that is good news from our gallant Texas,’ etc.

    “Said Stockdale, I stopped him and said: ‘But, General Rosecrans, candor requires me to explain the attitude of my people. The people of Texas have made up their minds to remain quiet under all aggressions and to have peace; but they have none of the spaniel in their composition. No, sir, they are not in the least like the dog that seeks to lick the hand of the man that kicked him; but it is because they are a very sensible, practical, common-sense people, and understand their position. They know that they resisted the Federal Government as long as any means of resistance was left, and that any attempt at resistance now must be in vain; and they have no means, and would only make bad worse. This is the view of the matter which is going to keep Texas quiet.”

    “At this stage of the conference, General Lee rose from his chair; Rosecrans took the hint. He filed out, and the big Confederates, one behind the other, after him.

    “Said Stockdale, I, being the little man in the farther corner, was the last to approach the door. General Lee had given a very polite good-morning to each man as he passed out; as I said to him, ‘goodmorning,’ he gently closed the door before me, keeping the door-knob in his left hand, and said to me, as follows:

    ” ‘Governor Stockdale, before you leave, I wish to give you my thanks for brave, true words. You know, Governor, what my position is. Those people (his uniform term for the Yankees) choose, for what reason I know not, to hold me as a representative Southerner; hence, I know they watch my words, and if I should speak unadvisedly, what I say would be caught up by their speakers and newspapers, and magnified into a pretext for adding to the load of oppression they have placed upon our poor people; and God knows, Governor, that load is heavy enough now; but you can speak, for you are not under that restraint, and I want to thank you for your bold, candid words.’

    “Again, said Governor Stockdale, I thought he would dismiss me: but he still held the door closed, and after a time he resumed and uttered these words: ‘Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no, sir, not by me.’ Then, with rising color, throwing back his head like an old war-horse, he added these words, ‘Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in this right hand.’ He then dropped his head, and, with a sad look, added: ‘This, of course, is for your ear only. My friend, good-morning;’ and with that he opened the door and I took my leave…
    — The Life and Letters of Robert Lewis Dabney by Thomas Cary Johnson

    Secede now!

    May God Save the South!

  10. Ape Lincoln saved the imperial swamp while deporting people and locking up journalists.
    His pen pal buddy Karl Marx gave him some ideas about slavery being a good way to cement the power of the state.

  11. “Other causes of secession are rarely if ever considered” The constitutionally legal secession from the union, by southern states was an extreme , desperate attempt, b White America, too preserve our people, our culture, our faith, our lands, our rights, our Republic, from a radical, alien, insane mob of Demonically led zealots, whose treacherous descendants, we struggle against, in a.time even more extreme than then……

  12. “The five marks of the Roman decaying culture:

    Concern with displaying affluence instead of building wealth;

    Obsession with sex and perversions of sex;

    Art becomes freakish and sensationalistic instead of creative and original;

    Widening disparity between very rich and very poor;

    Increased demand to live off the state.”
    ? Edward Gibbon

    • Government of the Northern People, by the Northern People, for the Northern People, shall not perish from the Earth.

      That’s what we have now. Yankee rule, and their system, bent to the purposes of the Jews, who took it over, in the late 19th and early 20th Centuies.

      Ironically, George Washington distrusted the Yankees, but be feared British revanchism more. He thought that they would contribute their manpower to the national defense. But the South ended up fighting alone, for America. Even today, the sixteen Northern States send the fewest recruits to the armed services, of any region of the formerly United States. The only things that they have contributed are political subversion, social decay, and the perversion of the Constitution, and the laws based upon it.

      End Reconstruction. End the War(s).


  13. Myth Buster

    Abraham Lincoln used the N-word (“nigger”) supposedly many many times (not just in this example speech).

    Here is proof in one of his speeches where he used it 7 times (showing three of those instances below).

    …We suppose slavery is wrong, and that it endangers the perpetuity of the Union. Nothing else menaces it. Its effect on free labor makes it what Seward has been so roundly abused for calling, an irrepressible conflict. Almost every man has a sense of certain things being wrong, and at the same time, a sense of its pecuniary value. These conflict in the mind, and make a riddle of a man. If slavery is considered upon a property basis, public opinion must be forced to its support. The alternative is its settlement upon the basis of its being wrong. Some men think it is a question of neither right or wrong; that it is a question of dollars and cents, only; that the Almighty has drawn a line across the country, south of which the land is always to be cultivated by slave labor; when the question is between the white man and the nigger, they go in for the white man; when it is between the nigger and the crocodile, they take sides with the nigger. There is effort to make this feeling of indifference prevalent the country, and this is one of the things, perhaps, that prevents the sudden settlement of the question. Is it possible that a national policy can be sustained because nobody opposes or favors it? It may answer to serve the ends of politicians for a while, but it falls at last. There may be one way, however, to make it stand, and that is to make the opinion of the people conform to it; must be made to conclude that those who want slavery shall have it, and that it is simply a matter of dollars and cents. I do not believe a majority of the people of this nation can be made to take this view of it.
    — Excerpt from transcription of Abraham Lincoln’s Speech at Hartford, Connecticut, 03/05/1860 — reveals he used the politically incorrect N-word — “nigger” (see 3 cases italicized above).

    He doesn’t mess around. He used it three times one sentence.

  14. Lincoln destroyed “Democracy,” and despotic, tyrannical Yankees can certainly do it again. Meachan and those like him are servile, smarmy, fawning frauds. Nothing but lie spinners. Lincoln and his ilk were at least honest about their intentions and recognized the dangers though they pressed forward anyway because of a misplaced sense of destiny. Not this bunch.

  15. He’s race traitor scum of the earth. May the “bent moral arc of the universe” give him what his war-criminal idol got.

  16. LOL, Meacham is a dusty old relic from a bygone age when Walter Cronkite was “the most trusted man in America” and leaded gasoline cost 35 cents a gallon.

  17. Nothing can change the fact that something genetic happened outside of Africa that didn’t happen in it.

  18. Meacham is Irish. His moms name is Linda (McBrayer) Brodie. An Irish Mick is not going to have some good old boy writing speeches for him. It just ain’t going to happen. He is going to have one of his own kind do that sort of thing. Do the Irish ever see that racist or that semi-fascist in the mirror? They need to take a good hard look at themselves. Do they see what we see?

  19. “Lincoln Saved American Democracy.”

    A. We have a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy.

    B. If Lincoln saved anything, it sure was NOT the structural basis for governance that our inspired Founding Fathers left.
    Practically everything wrong with this country, nowadays, can be traced back to Lincoln, and the North’s desire to serve and support this errant Southerner.

    So, what is this feller talking about?

    Oh, yes – the modern New England idea of nanny-lawless/totalitarian-anti-White anti-tradition, anti-Christian, anti-Western, annti-community, anti-sense, government he calls ‘Democracy’.

    No, it will not survive this era into which we have entered – come what may.

    Many good things in New England – from friendly down-to-earth rural people, great small towns, to the amazing landscape.

    Ideas of governance, not so much.

  20. Lincoln
    ….nuff said

    Next up in the same yankeecon series “How General Sherman saved the South”

    Deo Vindice and Z

  21. …Lincoln kept the American experiment in self-­government alive when it seemed lost. He did not do so alone. Ordinary people, Black and white, sacrificed to preserve the Union against the designs of the rebel South. But Lincoln was instrumental, and his ultimate vision of the nation—that the country should be free of slavery—was informed by a moral understanding of life. To him, America ought to seek to practice the principles of the Declaration of Independence as fully as possible, for the alternatives were so much worse. What if the constitutional order had failed and the Union permanently divided? A durable oligarchical white Southern slave empire, surely strengthened and possibly expanded, would have emerged from the war; and, as Lincoln saw, the viability of self-government would be in ruins…
    Time, “Lincoln Saved American Democracy. We Can Too”, Jon Meacham, 10/12/2022

    No! I read somewhere that Lincoln thought slavery would end in the 1890s. For Lincoln preserving the Union took precedence over ending slavery despite his personal feelings of the matter.

    My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do, it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union…I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free.
    — President Abraham Lincoln, Washington National Intelligencer, 08/22/1862.

    But for Lincoln, preserving the Union wasn’t as noble as it appears to be. What Lincoln wanted to preserve was not really the Union but rather the Yankee North’s economy. If the South left the Union they would survive but the North would not. The South could start manufacturing and selling their goods and replace the North as the premier financial power in North America. The South’s low/no tariffs would bring shipping to the South and they would beat the North’s high tariffs and take away all the North’s overseas customers and the South themselves would no longer be forced to buy the North’s inferior products and pay high tariffs turning that money saved into building up their own economy. No, Lincoln chose to defeat/ruin the South and force it by bayonet into captivity of a radically changed government in a war where the North had the big advantage in order to preserve the Yankee economy and he did just that.

    I can’t let them [the South] go. Who would pay for the government? And, what then will become of my tariff?
    — Abraham Lincoln to Virginia Compromise Delegation March 1861

    Southerners seceded to govern themselves. They expected to live in peace, but Lincoln could not allow that and the reason was 100% economic.

    If it wasn’t, Northerners like The Chicago Times would not have said things like:

    In one single blow our foreign commerce must be reduced to less than one-half what it now is. Our coastwise trade would pass into other hands. One-half of our shipping would lie idle at our wharves. We should lose our trade with the South, with all its immense profits. Our manufactories would be in utter ruins. Let the South adopt the free-trade system, or that of a tariff for revenue, and these results would likely follow. If protection be wholly withdrawn from our labor, it could not compete, with all the prejudices against it, with the labor of Europe. We should be driven from the market, and millions of our people would be compelled to go out of employment

    The Northern economy was largely based on manufacturing for the South and shipping Southern cotton…

    Without the South, the North was dead economically.

    Without the North, the South, with 100% control of King Cotton, would ascend to dominance in North America, and Lincoln knew it.

    Southerners were already paying 85% of the taxes yet 75% of the tax money was being spent in the North. Secession meant turning all that money inward, back on the South.

    Southerners wanted desperately to manufacture for themselves to get out from under the North’s inferior goods that were greatly overpriced because of tariffs. In the meantime Southerners could buy from Europe at much lower prices than they had been paying.

    The Morrill Tariff, passed by greedy, economically ignorant Northerners in the U.S. Congress after the Cotton States seceded, raised the rate for entry into the North to as high as 60%, as compared to the South’s low 10% tariff for the operation of a small federal government in a States Rights nation. This threatened to shift the entire Northern shipping industry into the South overnight as Northern ship captains beat a path to the South where free trade reigned and protective tariffs were unconstitutional.

    The loss to the North of their captive Southern manufacturing market, together with the damage to their shipping industry by the Morrill Tariff, was a one-two punch they would not be able to recover from. That’s before even considering the loss of the 85% of tax revenue the South had been paying…

    With everything Southerners had to gain economically by independence, it is absurd to say they seceded to protect slavery.
    — Kizer, Jr.,Gene, “Robert E. Lee and Me”, Abbeville Institute, 04/06/2021

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