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  3. Become a Mind-Weapon and one of those beauties can be yours, too, and breed many baby Mind-Weapons.

  7. Nordicists want to increase the ratio of beautiful women in the world. If they stuck to that argument, no one would have a problem with Nordicism. It would be more likely to take off than White Nationalism.

  9. Hunter:

    Eros is the dialectical force said Plato. Nothing can be compared to this force. See e.g., this image (here) of Éowyn in LOTR and remember how her hair combined with the golden roof of the hall of the king (here) in a windy Rohan. Even Hollywood’s non-gentile masters are knocked off their perch when confronted with the irresistible and numinous beauty of female Aryans.

    Éowyn-like creatures are destined to kill the Witch-kings that no male could ever kill. As hybrids between animal and angel, potentially they are the force that could give WN an overwhelming victory.

    If OO, OD and TOQ had dryads as logos, and slogans like Let’s save the nymphs from going extinct, our enemies would have no choice but recognize defeat.

  10. What does blonde hair have to do with cultural preservation? It’s solely a racial issue, isn’t it?

  11. What does blonde hair have to do with cultural preservation? It’s solely a racial issue, isn’t it?

    Culture and race, sub-race, ethny, etc are inextricably linked.

  12. Nordicists want to increase the ratio of beautiful women in the world. If they stuck to that argument, no one would have a problem with Nordicism. It would be more likely to take off than White Nationalism.

    Of course, but the issue isn’t getting men attracted to Nordic women, that is as natural as breathing, it’s rather the opposite, keeping all the non-Nordish predators away from Nordish women. The sex industry would grind to a halt if they couldn’t exploit our women.

    The best White nationalists are Nordicists, I expected this from Hunter, he’s a sensible man and appreciates the finer things in life!

  13. @ “What does blonde hair have to do with cultural preservation?”

    Everything. As a Gedankenexperiment let’s imagine two scenarios:

    In the first scenario the brown Muslims conquer Europe and turn it into Eurabia; misceginate with whites and pure whites become extinct.

    In the second scenario Europeans manage to maintain their genotype (and blond phenotype) and hope to reconquer their land.

    In the first scenario, with whites becoming practically extinct, I wouldn’t fight for liberation from Islam. My will to live would have perished.

    In the second scenario I’d become a freedom fighter like those who sacrificed their lives in The Turner Diaries.

    In other words, if the woman and her children that I love are dead (I mean: definitively dead: no more Aryan genes for the next generations), the soul of the WN man dies.

  15. Of course, but the issue isn’t getting men attracted to Nordic women, that is as natural as breathing, it’s rather the opposite, keeping all the non-Nordish predators away from Nordish women.

    Very true. Madison Grant wrote on page 15 of The Conquest of a Continent:

    One of the manifestations of this jealousy of the fair skin of the Nordics is shown in those numerous cases where members of the colored races, or even dark-skinned members of the Nordic race regard the possession of a blonde woman as an assertion and proof of race equality. This has been true historically since the earliest times. It is more than ever in evidence at the present day.

  16. Er…most of the gals in Video #2 are dressed like prostitutes. They don’t strike me as the kind who’d be happy looking after half a dozen kiddies and a husband. They look like fodder for pigmented males, same as here.

  17. I think it’s amazing that even such a celebration can take place in our “modern and progressive” culture. It certainly couldn’t happen in America, Canada or Britain. There would be howls of racism, we’d have to include assorted mongrels and blacks with blonde wigs on and it would be tastelessly exploited by the likes of Jews and other miscreants to create Blondes Gone Wild videos of women showing their breasts and lesbianism.

    The celebration is not shameless exploitation, it’s actually organized by Latvian women to raise funds for needy children.

    I am very impressed with Latvia and they obviously have a very racially and culturally healthy country.

  18. Certainly a nice departure from what we get in America – which is “blond jokes” and similar antiwhite foolishness. For those who find the ladies’ dress problematic, remember, the leftist hyper-sexualization of the white world encompasses all lands and peoples, whether the more homogeneous like Latvia or the multicult/race Hells of the UK, US etc.

    And to be honest, looking at pretty white girls, dressed provocatively or not, is never an issue for me!

  19. The funny thing is that hardcore Nordicists generally don’t think of Latvia and the other East Baltic states as being very Nordic at all, even though it is the blondest region of the world. Richard McCulloch, for instance, says that Finland and the East Baltic states are only “15% central [Nordish] and 80% periphery types”.

  20. Er…most of the gals in Video #2 are dressed like prostitutes. They don’t strike me as the kind who’d be happy looking after half a dozen kiddies and a husband. They look like fodder for pigmented males, same as here.

    WTF? Are you some kind of muslim? The gals in video 2 are gorgeous and if you can’t handle it, go back to burka-land.

  21. The funny thing is that hardcore Nordicists generally don’t think of Latvia and the other East Baltic states as being very Nordic at all, even though it is the blondest region of the world. Richard McCulloch, for instance, says that Finland and the East Baltic states are only “15% central [Nordish] and 80% periphery types”.

    Which comes out to 95% Nordish.

    http://www.racialcompact.com/nordishrace.html

    On central and periphery types:

    The northern region [of Europe] is inhabited by the Nordish racial group (“Nord” being the word for north in both French and German). The latter can be divided into two subgroups: an Inner or Central subgroup consisting of the Nordic, Borreby, Brünn, Fälish, Trønder and Anglo-Saxon subraces and subtypes of the British Isles, Scandinavia, northern Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium; and an Outer or Periphery subgroup, which includes the Atlantid subtypes of the British Isles, and the Noric, East Baltic and Neo-Danubian subtypes which predominate in northern France, southern Germany, Switzerland, Austria, the Czech Republic, Finland, the Baltic States, Poland and northwestern Russia. These last inhabit the racial clinal zone between the Central Nordish and Alpine racial groups, and are intermediate types resulting from hybridization or intermixture between these two groups, with the Nordish element being generally more numerous and predominant. The term Nordish is here used to refer to the indigenous peoples of northern Europe as a whole, including both Central and Periphery types, and also those peoples in North America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and elsewhere whose ancestors were of Northern European racial origin.

    Although this system of classification is too simple to be completely accurate, and certainly too simple to be regarded as complete, it is tolerably accurate in identifying those European population groups which have a sufficient degree of genetic similarity and compatibility that they can interbreed more or less freely within the group without negating — or significantly altering or disrupting — their unique and distinctive ensembles of genetic characteristics. These racial groups can therefore be defined as races. Consequently, although these races can be further subdivided into a richly diverse variety of subraces and subtypes, the racial level of classification will be regarded as sufficient for most discussions in this work. A more detailed description of the subdivisions — subraces and subtypes — of the Nordish race is given in the outline below, followed by a listing of the countries of Europe showing the distribution of the different European racial types. For a more detailed outline of the Mediterranean, Alpine and other racial groups see The Races of Humanity .

    The Nordish race, like many others, can be conceived as a series of concentric circles, with the innermost circle, the racial core or navel, consisting of the most distinct and definitive subracial types, in relation to which, in degrees of closeness or distance, the subracial types of the outer circles are defined. The racial outline given below is based on this principle. Some of the names are derived from archaeological sites where early examples of the types were found, others are based on geographical regions with which the types are associated.

    Nordish or Northern European Race:

    1. Inner Circle of Core or Central Subracial Types

    a. Aboriginal Northwest European subraces (The descendants of the first peoples to settle in northwest Europe, who retreated to refuge areas in southern France and northern Spain during the Last Glacial Maximum of 20,000-15,000 years ago [18,000-13,000 B.C.], and then re-expanded northward along the coasts of the Atlantic and the North Sea during the final phase of the Upper Paleolithic period circa 15,000-10,000 years ago [13,000-8,000 B.C.])

    1.) Borreby subrace (named after Danish island site where paleolithic remains were found; principal element in Denmark, southwest coast of Sweden, northern Germany, the Rhineland and the Ruhr, majority element in Wallonia)
    2.) Brünn subrace (named after paleolithic site near Brno, or Brünn, Czech Republic; predominant element in western Ireland)

    b. Nordic or Nordid subrace (The modern Nordic subrace is probably descended from an ancient blending of several proto-Nordic populations whose ancestors spent the Last Glacial Maximum in refuge areas in the Balkans and Ukraine — the “Kurgan” or burial-mound people of the Ukraine, the “Corded-ware” pottery or battleaxe people of the southern Baltic region, and the “Danubian” or Linearband pottery Neolithic farmers of central Europe — whose combination and expansion in northern Europe circa 5,500-2,000 B.C. is probably associated with the spread of Neolithic agriculture and the Indo-European language. The “Corded-ware” element is stronger in the Hallstatt Nordic type while the “Danubian” element is stronger in the Keltic Nordic type.)

    1.) Hallstatt or Österdal type (named after Austrian site where remains were found and Norwegian valley near Oslo; predominant element in Sweden and southeastern Norway, common in Denmark, western Finland, eastern England and northern Germany)
    2.) Keltic type (predominant element in Flanders, majority in the Netherlands and northern and western Switzerland, primary element in England, eastern Scotland and old Frankish country in southwest Germany, common in Wales and Ireland; ancient Franks and northern Kelts [the Germanokelten] were of this type which, despite its name, is perhaps most closely associated with the westernmost and southernmost of the ancient Germanic peoples and their descendants)

    c. Blended types of above subraces

    1.) Anglo-Saxon or Old Germanic Reihengräber type (Nordic- Brünn blend; predominant element in the Dutch province of Friesland (Frisia) and the Dutch and German Frisian Islands, common in southeast England and northwest Germany)
    2.) Trønder type (Brünn-Nordic blend; predominant element in Trøndelagen area of western Norway [whence the name] and Iceland, common in northeast England and Scotland)
    3.) Fälish, Dalofalid or Dalo-Nordic type (Nordic-Borreby blend; names from Fälen [German for “plain”] and Dalarna region of Sweden (Kopparberg); primary element on the north German plain, Jutland and the Swedish province of Kopparberg)

    2. Outer Circle of Periphery Subracial Types

    a. Northwestern periphery types (ancient stabilized blends of Inner Circle or Central Nordish inhabitants of northwestern Europe with Atlanto-Mediterraneans who migrated from the Iberian peninsula up the Atlantic coast as far as Norway during the Mesolithic period circa 8,000-4,500 B.C. They entered Great Britain from the west coast whereas Nordic elements later entered from the east coast from northwest Europe.)

    1.) North-Atlantid type (associated with megalithic monuments and long barrow burial sites; primary element in Wales, southeast coast of Ireland and western Scotland, common in England; in coloring commonly combines dark hair with light eyes)
    2.) Palaeo-Atlantid type (common in Wales and in western England and Scotland from the Midlands to Glasgow, minor element in Norway; hair and eye coloring both dark)

    b. Southern and Eastern periphery types (ancient stabilized blends of Inner Circle Nordish types with neighboring Caucasoid races)

    1.) Neo-Danubian type (eastern periphery blend of original Danubian and Kurgan proto-Nordics with Ladogan, with the Nordic element dominant; majority element in Poland and Belorussia, primary element in Hungary, west Ukraine and northwest Russia, important in Finland and the Baltic States)
    2.) East Baltic type (northeast periphery blend of Borreby and/or Fälish with Neo-Danubian and/or Ladogan; majority element in Finland and the Baltic States, formerly predominant in Old Prussia, but this element now dispersed throughout Germany as a result of the post-war expulsion of the Prussian population from its ancestral homeland)
    3.) Noric or Sub-Nordic type (southern periphery blend of Nordic with Alpine and/or Dinaric, with the Nordic element dominant; principal element in northern France, important element in central Germany and Austria, common in Transylvania and western Ukraine, minor in British Isles)

    Dominant or predominant = over 60% majority
    Majority or major = 50-60% majority
    Principal or primary = 25-49% plurality; less than a majority, but most numerous racial type
    Important = 25-49% minority; not most numerous racial type
    Common = 5-25% minority
    Minor = less than 5% minority

    Finland and the Baltic States

    Finland and the Baltic States = 50% East Baltic, 15% Hallstatt Nordic (most common in the Swedish-settled areas of Finland), 30% Neo-Danubian (most common in southeast Lithuania and northeast Finland), 5% Ladogan = 95% Nordish (15% central and 80% periphery types)

  22. No, Reddit. I am a white, nonreligious woman. You don’t have to be so unpleasant in disagreeing with me. Take a look at Henry’s post (taking issue with my opinion) to see how a polite, intelligent man expresses his difference of opinion.

    I have nothing against the goodlooking women in the video. Where I live, though, there’s plenty of Hutterite women and lots of them are blonde, good looking, married to white men, modestly dressed, and usually have lots of children in tow. You don’t have to dress like a streetwalker to get married and reproduce your race.

  23. Richard McCulloch, for instance, says that Finland and the East Baltic states are only “15% central [Nordish] and 80% periphery types”.

    Which comes out to 95% Nordish.

    When the blondest and most blue-eyed population in the world is only “peripherally Nordish”, you might want to rethink your classification scheme.

  24. Where I live, though, there’s plenty of Hutterite women and lots of them are blonde, good looking, married to white men, modestly dressed, and usually have lots of children in tow. You don’t have to dress like a streetwalker to get married and reproduce your race.

    It’s a *parade*. They’re trying to look beautiful, and they’re doing it for charity. There’s nothing sleazy about the way they’re dressed. Are they supposed to be dressed like members of some conservative religious sect?

  25. Eye color, hair color, and other variation among Nordish racial types:

    http://www.racialcompact.com/nordishrace.html

    There is regional variation within the types, forming local subtypes and varieties. Of the three central Nordish subraces, the Borrebys and Brünns tend to have somewhat larger heads, broader features and heavier body builds than the Nordics. In height they are essentially the same. Of American presidents in this century Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt and George Bush are good examples of the Nordic subrace, Theodore Roosevelt and Gerald Ford of the Borreby, and John Kennedy of the Brünn. The Palaeo-Atlantids are typically dark-eyed (brown or dark-mixed, the latter a mixture of brown with blue or green). The other Nordish types are predominantly light-eyed (blue, gray, green or light-mixed). Light-mixed eyes (a mixture of blue and green) are particularly common in the Nordic subrace. The two Atlantid types are dark haired. Among the other types hair color is variable from very dark to very light, with the light and medium brown shades generally the most common among adults. Hair color is lightest among children, and usually darkens with age. Among adults the incidence of blond hair varies, from lows of 13-15% in the Walloon Borrebys and the Irish Brünns, to highs of over 50% among the Hallstatt Nordic, Trønder, Borreby and Fälish peoples of Scandinavia, the Anglo-Saxons of Frisia, and the East Baltics of Finland. In England, Scotland and Ireland the incidence of blond hair is much higher in the east than in the west, in Germany it is much higher in the north than in the south. As a rule, the higher the incidence of blond hair the higher also is the proportion of the light blond shades to the dark blond. Red hair is common in the Brünn and Borreby stems (and in those of partial Brünn or Borreby derivation), minimal in the Nordic. For reference, an estimate of the distribution of racial types in the indigenous European populations is given below.

  26. http://www.racialcompact.com/anti_preservation.html

    E-Mail from Opponents of Nordish Racial Preservation

    Richard McCulloch comments:

    …

    The remark about separating blondes, brunettes and redheads, although perhaps partly facetious, reveals a mindset that attempts to trivialize racial differences and set up a smoke screen to foster ignorance, confusion and misunderstanding about race, a transparent exercise in obfuscation and evasion, misrepresenting the reality of racial identity. Are the Icelanders multiracial because they have a stable balance of blondes, brunettes and redheads in their population over the last thousand years? Separating Northern Europeans on the basis of hair color might maintain diversity, but so would keeping them together in a state of balance as they have been for thousands of years, so separation is not necessary to maintain this diversity, and his comment is only meant to mislead and confuse. Northern Europeans of varied hair color are part of the same populations, with this variation being a racial characteristic of the population which would be lost if they were separated. Also, race is determined by many traits, and hair and eye color are not racially determinative. There are many persons of mixed racial ancestry with blonde hair and blue eyes who do not have an a Nordish or even a white racial identity, which involves a large combination of genotypical traits, not just one or two in combination with other traits that are mostly non-Nordish or even non-white. On a number of occasions I have seen a brown-eyed brunette who was distinctly Nordish standing next to a blue-eyed blonde who was very clearly not Nordish.

    (emphasis mine)

  27. WTF? Are you some kind of muslim? The gals in video 2 are gorgeous and if you can’t handle it, go back to burka-land.

    When you see a comment like this, you know you’re dealing with a hasbara or a “regular” Jew or a philo-Semite or just your garden variety Jewish extended phenotype.

  28. Nordicists want to increase the ratio of beautiful women in the world. If they stuck to that argument, no one would have a problem with Nordicism. It would be more likely to take off than White Nationalism.

    No, there would still be intense opposition to Nordish preservation. Your argument here can naturally only be used to appeal to our co-ethnics.

    What you leave unsaid is the fact that the preservation of Nordish female beauty requires racial separation. An appreciation of such beauty and a desire to preserve it may help motivate some of our Nordish co-ethnics to support racial preservationism.

    However, we can expect to see strong resistance on the part of those we seek to separate from. I doubt they will be moved by arguments that we will be increasing the percentage of beautiful women in the world. What they want is access to those women. Racial preservationism and a Nordish ethnostate would deny them such access.

    We will face much opposition from those who reject the principle of reciprocity. Those who reject the principle of reciprocity are parasites and leeches and deserve to be called as much. Unfortunately, there are many people who reject reciprocity.

  29. Nordicism is fine. What is unacceptable is the adoption and declaration of Nordicism as the official position of American White Nationalism.

    Blonde is beautiful. My wife is blonde and some of my children will turn out blonde. That said, it isn’t my overriding concern that blondes be preserved in America. I’m concerned solely with the conservation of the mixed European genotype as it exists presently and not the preservation of mere phenotypic inessentials.

    Blondeness doesn’t serve as a useful proxy for the ultimate goals of White Nationalism in America.

  30. What is unacceptable is the adoption and declaration of Nordicism as the official position of American White Nationalism.

    What is “the official position of American White Nationalism” and who makes the decision as to what this “official position” is?

  32. What is “the official position of American White Nationalism” and who makes the decision as to what this “official position” is?

    There isn’t one. It will need to be fought over and hammered out.

  33. Nordicism just is not commensurate with White Nationalism. They are two separate things and people should be clear about their preference when they write or inhabit racialist circles. I have no permanent alliances and certainly no allies in the Nordicist camp. I’m a White Nationalist.

    White Nationalism, by definition, is solely concerned with White racial preservation and is therefore unconcerned with the tenants and goals of Nordicism. Nordicists shouldn’t call themselves White Nationalists unless they are defining “White” as “Nordic” or consider the two terms interchangeable.

  34. White Nationalism in America is primarily concerned with the survival of people of Northwest European descent.

  35. White Nationalism in America is primarily concerned with the survival of people of Northwest European descent.

    Maybe your version is. You should drop White as a qualifier and come up with something more specific.

    I have no problem with that being an consequence of a White Nationalism that is primarily concerned with preserving the descendants of European Christendom. Indeed, I’m sure it will be a consequence but I must confess I don’t really care in what fashion the European derived peoples of America choose to recombine their DNA as long as they breed within the boundaries of the European genotype.

    I don’t wish to preserve a specific type, but rather, for the best of all European types to be represented in a somewhat meritocratic fashion. I don’t think Nords should breed just because they are Nords or Meds by virture of being Meds.

    I’m for marital, conjugal and political freedom within our cultural and genetic boundaries.

    Take the Nordicism somewhere else or at least be honest and up front about it.

  36. Daniel, you married a blonde Nordish woman, so why wouldn’t you want to preserve Nordish peoples?

    Everyone is so caught up with being green, having a low carbon footprint. What about preserving race? Are Nords just a source of beautiful women that the world will eventually exhaust because no one cares about their survival? It’s irresponsible and selfish.

    White is relative to the native population. It can vary from a semi-mestizo in Latin America, to a Semite in the Middle East, an Armenoid, an olive-skinned Mediterranean, or a fair blonde or redhead in Northern European. Where you draw the boundaries is relative to your own ancestry or personal interest. For White North Americans that relative boundary is centered in Northwestern Europe. To somehow think we should ignore the history of who settled America and Canada and put the center in Southern Europe is absurd.

    When White Americans think of an average White person, a racial composite, it is something similar to what you would find in Britain or Germany, a Celto-Germanic type, not Italy, Spain, Greece or Israel. That is just the fact of the matter. We may be inclusive of a minority of Southern Europeans, but to ignore the Northwestern European core of this country is disrespectful and dishonest.

  37. Indeed, I’m sure it will be a consequence but I must confess I don’t really care in what fashion the European derived peoples of America choose to recombine their DNA as long as they breed within the boundaries of the European genotype.

    Those boundaries extend from Iceland to Greece.

    I don’t wish to preserve a specific type, but rather, for the best of all European types to be represented in a somewhat meritocratic fashion.

    This is fantasy. For someone who hangs out so much at Majority Rights, I would think you would have a better handle on the science by learning from some of the scientifically knowledgeable over there. This completely ignores things like dominance and recessiveness, parasitism, extended phenotypes, etc. Vague terms and concepts such as “the best” and “meritocratic” are entirely contingent upon what you’re selecting for and they can be and are gamed.

    I don’t think Nords should breed just because they are Nords or Meds by virture of being Meds.

    So you’re against Nordish preservation. Fair enough. You’re not the only one, both here and in the real world. I’m glad that you’re at least somewhat up front about it, unlike some other folks here who just try to play innocent victim. The world, for some reason or other, has decided that Nordish preservation is beyond the pale. In fact, this is the only reason why White nationalism and White preservation are taboo and attacked. Because they imply Nordish preservation. Nobody would really bat an eye or care or take that seriously if Italians or some other groups of Meds got together for Italian or Med preservation. It’s only when Nordish preservation rears its head, either explicitly or implicitly through White Nationalism, that people start going apeshit.

    Take the Nordicism somewhere else or at least be honest and up front about it.

    Most of us Nordish preservationists here are pretty honest and up front about it. We don’t harp about it all day, but usually talk about it in response to attacks and critiques initiated by those hostile to or critical of Nordish preservation.

  38. Daniel, you married a blonde Nordish woman, so why wouldn’t you want to preserve Nordish peoples?

    I married a girl who looks pretty much like me. Her hair is only slightly lighter than mine. Her mother’s hair is jet black.

    Why the issue? I’ve got plenty of Nordish in me. I’m a mixed European. My Italian ancestors mostly have blonde hair and blue eyes.

    I’m not opposed to preserving Nords. Read my comments again.

    For White North Americans that relative boundary is centered in Northwestern Europe. To somehow think we should ignore the history of who settled America and Canada and put the center in Southern Europe is absurd.

    I don’t really care who founded the country. It doesn’t really concern me. Nobody put the “center” in Southern Europe. It is a former English colony. Everybody knows that.

    I have family that stretches back to the founding of Canada. It is irrelevant.

    We may be inclusive of a minority of Southern Europeans, but to ignore the Northwestern European core of this country is disrespectful and dishonest.

    Not being upfront with the minority Europeans that you plan on breeding them out is dishonest.

    When White Americans think of an average White person, a racial composite, it is something similar to what you would find in Britain or Germany, a Celto-Germanic type, not Italy, Spain, Greece or Israel.

    That is probably true. They don’t think of bright blonde Danes or any other kind of Scandinavian either.

    This is fantasy. For someone who hangs out so much at Majority Rights, I would think you would have a better handle on the science by learning from some of the scientifically knowledgeable over there. This completely ignores things like dominance and recessiveness, parasitism, extended phenotypes, etc. Vague terms and concepts such as “the best” and “meritocratic” are entirely contingent upon what you’re selecting for and they can be and are gamed.

    My point is that we should just let the political system we set up run its course. I’m not ok with a bunch of ridiculous miscegenation laws. If the remaining pure English want to breed with the remaining pure Italians then let them. If blonde goes the way of the dodo, I don’t really care.

    So you’re against Nordish preservation.

    I did not say that. I emphatically deny that. I’m against political Nordicism in America. If you wanna withhold your daughter from a Med, that is your business. I might do the same thing. I appreciate a culture where parents are more involved with setting up marriages.

    The world, for some reason or other, has decided that Nordish preservation is beyond the pale.

    Well, they want your/our women.

    Nobody would really bat an eye or care or take that seriously if Italians or some other groups of Meds got together for Italian or Med preservation.

    This is fantasy. You don’t follow Italian politics.

    either explicitly or implicitly through White Nationalism, that people start going apeshit.

    Exactly! White Nationalism is not a vehicle for Nordicism. They are two separate things.

    Most of us Nordish preservationists here are pretty honest and up front about it.

    I think it could be a little more explicit. If White Nationalism is simply Nordicism light, then I don’t wanna be a part of it.

  39. Man. I’ll be more careful in the following comments. That was not up to my usual standard. It was poorly worded and hasty. Sorry bout that boys. It is a serious subject and one which I’m not taking seriously enough. At the very least, I’m certainly not paying it the amount of attention it deserves. I’m a bit distracted right now.

  40. It is interesting to note that Boas (and Hirschfeld in Germany) started with the denial of intra-European–not black-white–racial differences. And per Spiro’s book, ‘Defending the Master Race, Conservation, Eugenics, and the Legacy of Madison Grant’ pro-immigration Jews wanted to make a deal with the Nordicists.

    Spiro comments that some Jewish leaders resorted to the “if you can’t lick ‘em, join ‘em” strategy during the racially conscious 1920s. Jews would oppose immigration from Asia in the hope that “the old-stock Americans would permit them to join the Nordics in a coalition known as ‘the white race.’”26

  41. I am not denying or downplaying the differences in any way. I believe the differences are real and rooted in genetics, but not exclusively rooted in genetics. There are significant intra-European cultural differences. I am not concerned with maintaining these differences in some strict ratio. I prefer absorption and mixture. I am concerned with creation of a new race in America. It will be predominantly English, Scottish and German. It seems to me that is the most likely and most desirable outcome.

    However, I don’t really care if any particular European ethnicity is preserved or that any particular balances are maintained. I certainly don’t accept the Jews or consider them invited to the party if that is what you are hinting at Desmond. I don’t consider my idea similar to Boas’ either. If you are incapable of seeing the distinction between me and Boas then I suppose I should just bugger off. Maybe I’ll just settle in England and vote BNP?

    But why lie and pretend that I do care? Would you prefer I lie about my intentions and desire? I do love my cultural heritage. It is mostly rooted in the British Isles but not exclusively. I’m an Anglicized Orthodox Presbyterian. Most of my cultural identity is derived from Scottish theologians and philosophers. However, other large parts of it come from the contributions of other areas of Europe: the Italians, the French, the Dutch. My genetic heritage is even more diverse. I’m just not overly concerned about the genetics. It just seems obvious to me that they will work themselves out. I’m more concerned about who runs the media, our lack of concern for the sacred, our desiccated culture, the degradation of standards, nominalism, atheism, non-European immigration, etc.

    I’m not a big fan of nationalism in general. I’m a localist. Nationalism is a relatively recent phenomenon in European history. I don’t mind it as a political device, but I would prefer a more localized existence. I want people to settle down and develop the cultural and genetic regional differences that should rightly exist in a country of this size.

  42. Speaking of the mere preservation of fair hair and light colored eyes is a red herring – Nordishism is a red herring. Nordicism is about the genetic preservation of Northwestern European blood. If you preserve the latter, you preserve the former.

    What will opponents of Nordic (not merely Nordish) preservation say, that we should not preserve ourselves? And why, because it is to their petty benefit that we do not? That is hardly a convincing counter argument.

  43. Not being upfront with the minority Europeans that you plan on breeding them out is dishonest.

    Self-determination and preservation do not imply “breeding them out,” genocide, extermination, etc. This is a typical Leftist argument used against Whites. Furthermore, it’s been used several times here already by those hostile to and against Nordish preservation. None of the Nordish preservationists here have called for “breeding” Meds out, exterminating them, committing genocide against them. Stop smearing.

    If the remaining pure English want to breed with the remaining pure Italians then let them.

    We know “freedom” and “choice” can be illusory and meaningless under multiracial, multiethnic, and multicultural environments and are subject to all kinds of manipulations, parasitism, extended phenotypics, genetic dominance vs. recessiveness, etc. Furthermore, “freedom” and “choice,” whether illusory or not, have to be weighed against the goals of preservation and EGI.

    If blonde goes the way of the dodo, I don’t really care.

    Taking “blonde” here as a stand-in for those of Nordish stock, you’re suggesting that you’re against, or at best apathetic to, Nordish preservation. Like I said before, fair enough. You’re not alone.

    I did not say that. I emphatically deny that. I’m against political Nordicism in America.

    Now you’re playing a shell game here. You say you don’t oppose Nordish preservation, yet you oppose any practical, substantial means toward that end. “Political Nordicism” is a vague term, but the fact of the matter is that Nordish preservation, like the preservation of any relatively more recessive type, requires political means. If you deny political (in the most general sense) means, you are de facto against Nordish preservation.

    Well, they want your/our women.

    Bingo. And under any regime of “freedom” and “choice” that denies us political means, they will use/evolve manipulations, parasitism, extended phenotypics, etc. to encroach and ultimately destroy our type. Ethnicity correlates with the Y-chromosome.

    This is fantasy. You don’t follow Italian politics.

    I meant in the context of the US. Nobody would really care if a bunch of guidos from Jersey got together for Italian/Med preservation. I’m sure it’s different in Europe with all the aggressive negroes/muslims in Italy trying to dominate the Italians by suppressing Italian ethnic/cultural expression.

    Exactly! White Nationalism is not a vehicle for Nordicism. They are two separate things.

    No. My point is that when people think about White Nationalism in America, they envision and fear Celto-Germanic types. Not guidos from Jersey. Nobody would give a rip if it consisted of the latter.

    I think it could be a little more explicit. If White Nationalism is simply Nordicism light, then I don’t wanna be a part of it.

    Why is the rather straightforward concept of concentric circles so difficult to accept? As Whites, we share a circle. But there are circles such as Nord and Med that we don’t share. And there are circles at an even lower level than that, such as extended and immediate families.

  44. Speaking of the mere preservation of fair hair and light colored eyes is a red herring – Nordishism is a red herring. Nordicism is about the genetic preservation of Northwestern European blood. If you preserve the latter, you preserve the former.

    This is certainly true. There just wasn’t a lot of Blonde in the areas of England I’ve been too. I’ve seen more Blonde in California (which probably came from Michigan/Minnesota where my Mom’s side hails from)

    What will opponents of Nordic (not merely Nordish) preservation say, that we should not preserve ourselves?

    Preserve yourself!

    Just don’t think for a second that I care enough about allele distribution to get excited about it. Don’t think I won’t resist you sterilizing me either.

    And why, because it is to their petty benefit that we do not? That is hardly a convincing counter argument.

    Fin a cluster of Germanics or whatever that fit the bill and hammer away to your hearts content. Who is stopping you? I just don’t consider it my goal and I don’t think it is of paramount importance.

  45. None of the Nordish preservationists here have called for “breeding” Meds out, exterminating them, committing genocide against them. Stop smearing.

    Would you bend the power of the state to encourage or limit the growth of certain types of European population? Of course you would! That is Nordicism. You’ve said it requires population balancing. How much of America needs to be Nordic?

    We know “freedom” and “choice” can be illusory and meaningless under multiracial, multiethnic, and multicultural environments and are subject to all kinds of manipulations, parasitism, extended phenotypics, genetic dominance vs. recessiveness, etc. Furthermore, “freedom” and “choice,” whether illusory or not, have to be weighed against the goals of preservation and EGI.

    What don’t you understand? I don’t consider it harmful to EGI if Americans of Italian descent breed with Americans of English descent. I don’t care about EGI. That doesn’t mean I don’t care about EGI at all. I favor freedom withing the cultural and genetic confines of the descendants of European Christendom. How much clearer can I be? However, I’m not a materialist or a fan of genetic determinism. In my opinion it leads to mindless eliminativism. There is no “freedom” under that scheme.

    Taking “blonde” here as a stand-in for those of Nordish stock, you’re suggesting that you’re against, or at best apathetic to, Nordish preservation. Like I said before, fair enough. You’re not alone.

    I didn’t intend it as a stand in. I’m for the preservation of the sum of the entire Christian European genome in America. We might lose the phenotypic marker “blonde” and I probably won’t bat an eyelash. I seriously doubt it’ll happen though.

    I guess I’m apathetic if that is how you want to characterize it. I’m pretty much apathetic to “genes” period in that case. I love White Christians and I want to see them preserved. It doesn’t require complicated EGI equations. That ain’t the kind of guy I am.

    Bingo. And under any regime of “freedom” and “choice” that denies us political means, they will use/evolve manipulations, parasitism, extended phenotypics, etc. to encroach and ultimately destroy our type. Ethnicity correlates with the Y-chromosome.

    Uh huh. The ordering of our kind that I favor would enable parental control over the breeding process. It takes more than just politics in my opinion. I want a healthy culture. I don’t just want a statute.

    I meant in the context of the US. Nobody would really care if a bunch of guidos from Jersey got together for Italian/Med preservation. I’m sure it’s different in Europe with all the aggressive negroes/muslims in Italy trying to dominate the Italians by suppressing Italian ethnic/cultural expression.

    I knew what you meant. I was being a dick. I don’t really think there are a bunch of Guidos in Jersey hell-bent on preservation. Is this because they are too busy chasing Nordic tail? Hell… I don’t know. Might be.

    No. My point is that when people think about White Nationalism in America, they envision and fear Celto-Germanic types. Not guidos from Jersey. Nobody would give a rip if it consisted of the latter.

    Well, I think you are stretching it there. We’ll see how the A3P shapes up. I’m sure it will be a pretty mixed bunch. I’m headed back out to Cali soon. I’ll make sure my very Italian name is prominently displayed during all my activism and we’ll see how people respond. Although, I guess it don’t count cause I don’t look Italian at all…

    Why is the rather straightforward concept of concentric circles so difficult to accept? As Whites, we share a circle. But there are circles such as Nord and Med that we don’t share. And there are circles at an even lower level than that, such as extended and immediate families.

    The circles are largely overlapping in our country. I’m French-Canadian (which could mean English or French), Italian, English, Scots-Irish, etc. A lot of people fit this bill. I don’t quite feel comfortable with the idea of an entirely Italian America but I don’t begrudge them a process of assimilation (even genetic assimilation) and don’t consider it a huge encroachment. I don’t want the country flooded with them, or Serbs, or Greeks, or Poles but I think a little mixture of other Europeans is all right. I find particular value in the cultural mix.

  46. I don’t care about EGI. That doesn’t mean I don’t care about EGI at all.

    That doesn’t make any sense.

    What I mean is that I’m not concerned with preserving the race in complete stasis. The race itself should have a bit of fluidity and adaptability in my opinion. Consequently, I’m not that concerned with the forming and employing some specific EGI metric by the state. I prefer the simple route of loving and concerned parenthood and sensible immigration policy.

  47. i>Would you bend the power of the state to encourage or limit the growth of certain types of European population? Of course you would! That is Nordicism. You’ve said it requires population balancing. How much of America needs to be Nordic?

    Nordish preservation doesn’t mean some kind of universal Nordish state ruling over all Whites in all White territories, dictating racial and ethnic policy for every single White.

    I don’t consider it harmful to EGI if Americans of Italian descent breed with Americans of English descent. I don’t care about EGI. That doesn’t mean I don’t care about EGI at all. I favor freedom withing the cultural and genetic confines of the descendants of European Christendom. How much clearer can I be? However, I’m not a materialist or a fan of genetic determinism.

    Then you shouldn’t dictate to those who do care or are, at least more so relative to you.

    It takes more than just politics in my opinion. I want a healthy culture. I don’t just want a statute.

    I agree that it takes more than politics and that a healthy culture is necessary. As for “a statute,” again, Nordish preservation doesn’t imply a universal Nordish state ruling over all Whites in all White territories.

    Practically speaking, Nordish preservation would involve Nordish sovereignty over a piece of territory. I don’t see how this would offend your localist sensibilities.

  48. When Nordics mix with others, it’s always a form of race-mixing. Nordics represent racial perfection and their blood (DNA) is especially precious.

  49. “In other words, if the woman and her children that I love are dead (I mean: definitively dead: no more Aryan genes for the next generations), the soul of the WN man dies.”

    Aryans are South Asians.

    Why is it that Euro descent white folk have misappropriated this ancient South Asian term, that is still used today all over India, the region of the world this term originated?

    If one’s own culture does not have unique symbols and phraseology, such as the Hindu Swastika symbol and Hindu world “aryan”, then I would say it is better to CREATE such terminology rather than to “borrow” from another’s culture.

    Isn’t it?

  50. Nordish preservation doesn’t mean some kind of universal Nordish state ruling over all Whites in all White territories, dictating racial and ethnic policy for every single White.

    I didn’t think it did. I thought we were talking about what is best for America?

    Then you shouldn’t dictate to those who do care or are, at least more so relative to you.

    Well, if I perceive that they might be harmful to me or my children or end up producing a society I loathe should they seize power than I do care! The Christian White Nationalist really walks a fine line to begin with since we really shouldn’t make common cause with atheists or pagans to begin with. I’m really only interested in keeping tabs.

    I agree that it takes more than politics and that a healthy culture is necessary. As for “a statute,” again, Nordish preservation doesn’t imply a universal Nordish state ruling over all Whites in all White territories.

    Practically speaking, Nordish preservation would involve Nordish sovereignty over a piece of territory. I don’t see how this would offend your localist sensibilities.

    Certainly not offended! I would hope they would generally be in control in the Michigan/Minnesota/Dakota corridor! However, there should still be some freedom of movement for non-Nordics. I also don’t think immediately enforced population transfers (of Whites) will be helpful. The point is that tradition really trumps genetics when it comes down to it. It requires a sensitivity that goes beyond EGI calculations.

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