Greece
I expect this will happen to us at some point:
“ATHENS — The leader of Greece’s extreme-right Golden Dawn party and four other of its lawmakers were formally charged Saturday with membership in a criminal organization with intent to commit crimes, in an escalation of a government crackdown after a fatal stabbing blamed on a supporter.
…“The prime minister and the government were determined to deal with Golden Dawn solely through the justice system,” Kedikoglou said. “We have succeeded in stripping them of their political cover and dealing with them as what they really are, a criminal organization.” …
Note: It is an even bigger waste of time to run for elected office in the United States or to vote for some worthless grandstanding Republican like Ted Cruz. We have seen on countless occasions that the small clique that runs the USA always does what it wants to do regardless of elections.
Nah, we don’t do a fraction of what Golden Dawn is doing. They were going for the direct approach.
Speaking for myself, I’m waiting to see what kind of culture and political order we’re going to have after the USG goes bankrupt.
GD are a macho outfit, so I’m not surprised this happened. If they win power, the attacks from the international community will be far worse. If you go around acting like tough guy, you’re going to get in a fight eventually.
I prefer the Whitaker approach, of wearing them down with a consistent message. Or the Putin method, where he never shows his hand, until its too late to stop him. Then you have Gandhi’s non-violence, non-cooperation, while keeping the moral high ground.
Don’t get me wrong, I support GD because they are Nationalists. I just don’t think what they are doing, will turn out good in the long run. If you want power in the 21st century, you’ve got to be cunning like a fox and have self control. Otherwise you’re going to end up as someone’s dinner.
Heck Hunter, Abe Lincoln wasn’t arrested after John Brown attacked the Federal Arsenal at Harper’s Ferry. Nor were any of the Northern Republican fat cats who bankrolled John Brown arrested.
When Woodrow Wilson declared war on Germany, he did have some of the socialist-communist-anarchist leaders arrested, but, he didn’t make a move on one of his biggest critics Tom Watson of Georgia. Although, Woodrow Wilson did use the Catholic church as an excuse to deny Watson, who was a Protestant critic of the Catholic church, US mailing privileges during WWI. Watson was a nationally known author, editor & publisher.
I suspect the whole thing was a set up. Arresting some ‘sympathizer’ for murdering someone is like arresting the Giants coach for a fight one of his fans got into.
They’ve been fabricating a case against GD for some time now.
It’s the lies and railroading that scare me, how government can frame people. I’m not scared of taking responsibility for my words or actions, but it’s not those that our government will use against us. They’ll plant and make their own material up.
Rappers get shot all the time. They are often politically connected assholes too. You don’t see the competing chieftains of the Black Partei getting arrested over it though.
Kievsky is correct; the situation on the ground is very very different, than that of Greece. Most of the US population is either clueless, or Commie already.
I’m following this on the SF thread. This stunt by the JEWS is already backfiring.
“Racism is life.”
That’s your motto, that’s your badge. The time for everything else is over.
The Black Dawn: http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/new-mayor-sets-sights-on-black-nation/
They had guns. They did not use them. Wimps.
Golden Dawn didn’t raise Greek taxes.
Golden Dawn didn’t spend Greece into bankruptcy.
Golden Dawn didn’t send Greek boys to die in foreign wars.
Golden Dawn didn’t debauche the Greek currency.
Golden Dawn is blameless for Greece’s current woes.
This blatant, guilt by association over-reaction to the flimsiest of accusations is the face of Greek Tyranny and? these arrests are the opening salvo of a Greek Civil War.
“It is an even bigger waste of time to run for elected office in the United States or to vote (…) the small clique that runs the USA always does what it wants to do regardless of elections.”
I don’t agree. The Greek nationalists set an excellent example for us by engaging in electoral politics and holding office on all levels. One of the few points on which I agree with Jack Ryan here is his insistence on our practical political involvement — instead of just writing on the internet, and even public protesting as an end in itself.
There is no point in protesting if one refuses to be involved in government at all, not even on the local level.
Slightly disagree. If we doff effective political involvement because the small clique of plutocrats always gets what it wants, then the small clique of plutocrats winds up always getting what it wants because we’re doffing effective political involvement.
City Hall was the place where the phrase “you can’t beat City Hall” was invented.
Re Obamacare and Ted Cruz: The reason I think that might turn out not to be mere grandstanding is because now the Republicans have drawn their own red line. If they fold before October 1, then they’re done because they made all these grandiose promises to their own base then retreated yet again. If they do get into a staring contest with Obama and blink first, then the same thing will happen. And it’s a staring contest that I think they can win, because while the “government shutdown” won’t actually shut down much of anything, it will shut down parts of government and programs the organized left wing really needs. Various leftist activists will be on bended knee begging Obama to sign the budget bill on his desk that funds just about everything else but not Obamacare and a few other rotten things.
It is an even bigger waste of time to run for elected office in the United States or to vote for some worthless grandstanding Republican like Ted Cruz.
If you concede the political forum to your leftist enemies then you might as well throw in the towel and go home. Like Mosin says, “The Greek nationalists set an excellent example for us by engaging in electoral politics and holding office on all levels. One of the few points on which I agree with Jack Ryan here is his insistence on our practical political involvement — instead of just writing on the internet, and even public protesting as an end in itself. There is no point in protesting if one refuses to be involved in government at all, not even on the local level.”
Like it or not, practical politics are how laws get made and things get done in our society. If you don’t think that it’s worthwhile to run for political office or vote, then you are just begging to be outmaneuvered and overpowered by those who do. People who, needless to say, don’t have your best interests in mind. Do you think that Saul Alinsky, the Frankfurt School or the Gramscians felt that electoral politics was a “waste of time”? Of course not. Their strategy of relentlessly pushing for incremental change through active electoral engagement have ended up achieving almost all their major goals, and only by employing similar tactics can we begin to start pushing back against them.
Speaking of Ted Cruz, I was surprised to find out that NumbersUSA gives him a career immigration grade of 95%, or A+. So maybe he, along with the 7 other senators with A+ grades, are worth voting for after all. Another surprise was discovering that the senator with the highest rating of all (100%) is Tim Scott of South Carolina. All hail the righteous black man.
In the House there are 29 congressmen with A+ grades, with Dana Rohrabacher of California leading the pack with a 98% rating. All 37 of these patriotic legislators are Republicans, proving that at least part of the GOP is outside of the open borders Beltway consensus. So if you’re looking for like-minded politicians to support, you can start with this crew. Use your time, your money and your vote to reward the patriots and punish the traitors.
As for the Golden Dawn, it looks like the Greek establishment has found their Horst Wessel in the person of murdered rapper Killah P. He has become their martyr, used to justify an extra-legal crackdown on what was a legitimate political party, now re-classified as a mafia-like criminal organization, with its elected leaders behind bars. Of course it’s outrageous, but the GD hasn’t helped its own cause with its repeated pattern of thuggery. It’s like they couldn’t decide what they wanted to be, a respectable political party or a street-fighting paramilitary organization. Thanks to the martyrdom of Killah P, the Greek government has made the decision for them.
The goonish reputation of the GD is commonplace among Eastern European nationalist movements in general, like Jobbik and the Greater Romania Party amongst others. Peter Brimelow likes to joke that patriotic immigration reformers in the States “brush their teeth”; meaning that they’re perfectly respectable law-abiding citizens. Well, clearly a lot of East Euro nationalists don’t brush their teeth, figuratively speaking. Their kind of violent street theatre might have worked back in the 1920s and 30s, but it’s not going to work today, and the quicker they shed their more disreputable elements the more success they’re likely to have in the future.
On the other hand, the Western European nationalists–for the most part–do brush their teeth. Case in point is the Austrian Freedom Party (FPÖ) of Heinz-Christian Strache. The Austrian election is today and the FPÖ is forecast to come in third place with about 20% of the vote. There is also a smaller nationalist party, the BZÖ, based in the province of Carinthia, that should pick up 3% or 4% of the vote. The BZÖ is a splinter group formed by former FPÖ leader Jörg Haider, and is slightly more ‘moderate’ than the FPÖ.
On top of that, there is a new, right wing euroskeptic party founded by Canadian billionaire Frank Stronach that is forecast to get about 6% or 7% of the vote. So that’s about 30% of the vote that will go to the nationalist right, far higher than anything the Golden Dawn or Jobbik have ever achieved.
The Social Democrats are expected to finish first with just over 25%, and the centre-right Peoples Party second with just under 25%. Under Austria’s proportional representation system, coalition-building will be necessary to form a new government. So, presuming the polling is correct (always a dodgy presumption), it will all come down to the decision of the Peoples Party: will they continue to play second fiddle to the Social Democrats in a ‘grand coalition’, as is the case now? Or will they choose to partner with the nationalists and form what would be the most right wing government in the EU? Let us pray for the latter.
When the results start coming in later this afternoon I will post them here.
I think RichardPW has the correct view.
This might backfire. The public might see it for what if is and be sympathetic towards G.D. Perhaps another mistake the communists and anti-racist could do would be to assassinate(or attempt) a member of the party. They same was done towards A.H., and his party emerged stronger. In Greece there seems to be a level of awareness not found in the U.S. I don’t see something similar happening here unless the economical situation deteriorates like it has in the Greece. Also secession isn’t possible here unless whites economical situation falters and whites start to feel uncomfortable. The best we can do now is try and maintain. Continue appealing to the hearts of honest people. The demonstrations are a great political avenue to get the word out. Our message is the truth. They simply have a bigger microphone than we do. That is the only difference right now. That’s all we can work on right now. One person at a time.
yes, Mosin,
That is one thing I never understood, while growing up—- the insistence from all sides that we don’t even VOTE.
At school, everyone was employed to do things such as sign up non-white VOTERS. This was a constant theme. Many who did so would NEVER have voted themselves at the polls. The idea was that only stupid people could not see through the joke of the candidates always offered, so voting was like saying you were too stupid to see through the problems. Meantime, though, you were supposed to help everyone else VOTE. The VOTE was a big deal in the history books— but always for other people.
Obviously, removing the majority from the political process was one of the big contributions of “wn.” That shows where they are really coming from, right?
Golden Dawn popularity has supposedly plummeted (according to polls) since the arrests, and what if that is true? Building popularity and winning votes through social work, handouts, etc. is not as strong and healthy as growth by educating and convincing, though both approaches are necessary. Jesus fed and healed thousands but few followed Him in peril and suffering.
From Vox Day a must read, sheds light on Hunter’s post http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/09/fascist-anti-fascists.html?m=1
“Obviously, removing the majority from the political process was one of the big contributions of ‘wn.’ That shows where they are really coming from, right?”
They are waiting for The Collapse to happen first, so they can “see how things sort out”, before they will participate in politics. But suppose the Master Controllers manage to continue to control things as well as they have for another generation or two, until the present non-participaters-in-politics (or “waiters”) grow old or wear out….
@ Mosin. It turned out fairly well for Jesus. He’s the most famous man who’s ever lived. This action will quite possibly increase G.D. popularity.
“To put it in perspective, this is as if Bill Clinton and twelve Congressional Republicans were arrested because Tupac’s killer was a self-proclaimed Democrat”. Suppose for the sake of argument that Obama had Ted Cruz arrested for the actions of a supporter. With the public well knowing he was arrested for his opposition to ObamaCare, there would be a backlash. Support for the GOP would increase.
I heard John Tyndall speak years ago. I have never forgotten one thing that he said. He said all activity must be geared toward the acquisition of POLITICAL POWER. Activity geared toward anything else, he said, is a waste of time. He said you’d be surprised how the “establishment” changes it’s tune as soon as a nationalist group gets even a little real bit of real power. Of course he was from the UK where PR is used. In the United States, it’s a quandary. If you don’t participate in the practical political fight, you will surrender power to those who will. If you do, you won’t get anywhere but we will lend at least some tacit legitimacy to a system that is definitely behind reform.
The Greek government, under the influence of organized Jewry, is targeting GD using illegal methods because the GD is for REAL. GD has been showing the worldwide nationalist community what the system considers a real threat. Basically, GS have given all nationalists a road map.
“Of course it’s outrageous, but the GD hasn’t helped its own cause with its repeated pattern of thuggery. It’s like they couldn’t decide what they wanted to be, a respectable political party or a street-fighting paramilitary organization. Thanks to the martyrdom of Killah P, the Greek government has made the decision for them”
Jeppo, wrong again!
One man’s ‘thuggery’ is another’s ‘anti-fa’ action.
It all depends on WHO translates.
I’d rather hear G.D., than the Jewsmedia, who are liars 24/7/2000.
http://xaameriki.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/8190/
And who is behind it? Oh, come now….
http://xaameriki.wordpress.com/2013/09/28/the-jewish-community-of-the-united-states-welcomes-the-persecution-of-golden-dawn/
Mosin, you write like it’s an easy decision. It is not. How does one participate in practical politics without lending legitimacy to the system?
Second Point:
“I expect this will happen to us at some point:”
WHY LEGITIMATE THE ILLEGITIMATE?
Why presume that this is your end?
Why admit defeat before you even begin?
Do you WANT to be a martyr?
Then at least be a martyr for something worthwhile…..
I prefer the Whitaker approach, of wearing them down with a consistent message
Who is being worn down?
GD does have a consistent message. It boils down to being pro-Greek, Greece for Greeks.
These developments show the other side will drop the mask and revert to Bolshevik methods the instant they perceive a real threat.
There is a middle ground between fielding candidates/having affiliated elected officials that GD has done and abjuring politics altogether. There is political involvement that does not arise to the level of formal involvement. SN could politically be monkey-wrenchers in an attempt to accelerate a breakdown in the political system. If we are not able to gain power through the political system then it must be destroyed in the US and the South in particular. This would weaken our opposition and put the ordinary person into a revolutionary mindset. The gatekeepers are not going to let us into their rigged system. We must destroyed that system since it maintains their power. We ought to take the lessons of Alinsky to heart and engage in political theater to de-legitimize their system.
A comment from VNN via Chechar’s West’s Darkest Hour:
That’s the rub, isn’t it? Any successful creation of a party that challenges the establishment will be declared illegal. They are branded as criminals against the state for merely having political views and ideologies that fly in the face of the establishment, and have succeeded in gathering support in the populace. Any threat to the continuance of the establishment’s power will be dealt with, not through elections, but by literally declaring any successful opposition to be criminal in nature.
Successful is the key. GD endured the media onslaught and character assassination. The people did not believe the lies the press and government were feeding them—because GD was actually feeding them! When GD was viewed as a minor annoyance, TPTB were happy to handle them in the traditional means, i.e. media attacks, bad press, and harassment (such as any grass roots political party or organization).
But because GD weathered these attacks, and continued to gain the support of the people, now we see how the established power deals with them as an actual threat: Arbitrarily making new laws and statutes, ignoring established laws and procedure as they see fit, and bringing the full weight of a corrupt system to dismantle the will of the people.
I love all the critics of hardliners such as Golden Dawn. They are too good to get their hands dirty doing anything else other than kissing babies, fundraising, writing essays, grinning, voting, and giving winks and nods all of which have led to nothing but compromise and zero results. Heaven forbid that we would have to take to the streets. That’s for thugs and lowlifes who don’t have the brains and “cunning” to outsmart the Jews.
Heaven forbid that a “gentleman” such as Peter Brimelow would have to do something so lowly as go to jail for what he believes in. I’ll take Michaloliakos any day over Brimelow.
Reports seem mixed, some saying popularity has dropped significantly, some saying it’s the same as it was pre-arrests. Obviously the msm was ready for this and had scripted articles, all blaring ‘Neo-Nazi,’ usually before mentioning the name ‘Golden Dawn.’
I’ve been saying that we need a pro-White party for some time now…
Golden Dawn super-thread at VNN:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=141302&page=236
jeppo, be careful about relying on NumbersUSA. I’ve checked out Cruz previously, and while he is very solid on illegal immigration, he wants to open the floodgates for legal immigration. And that’s a very big number. I like a lot about Cruz, but “immigration” is one subject the politician must be right on, and Cruz is not!
@Lew
Jeppo is showing results, that are VERY encouraging. People are taking power right now, using the methods he describes.
When your 1930s methods get results as good as that, I will listen.
hugh says:
September 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm
“while he is very solid on illegal immigration, he wants to open the floodgates for legal immigration. And that’s a very big number.”
Doesn’t matter what country a Respectable Conservative is in, they are always the same.
Richard,
The establishment has not gone after those parties like it has gone after GD. Most of those groups play ball with Jewry and will go exactly no where. Ilias Kasidiaris was about to be elected mayor of Athens. At a minimum, he had a realistic shot at it. Why do think they’re attacking GD now? It’s to stop their momentum at the polls.
I think you need to be careful about using GDs success or lack thereof to judge their approach when only GD among all the Euro parties is under organized attacks of this magnitude.
@Lew
These are not results these are excuses. I am only interested in good results. Like I said, I will listen when you get good results, using a particular method.
Bad result = method does not work. Try something else.
The government arresting your leadership on phony charges and declaring your party a criminal organization can stop any group. The left is sticking with proven methods it has been honing since 1917, that is, Bolshevik methods, harass, arrest, destroy.
Do you think Whitaker’s methods would “get results” if the US government made spreading his ideas a crime?
I agree with Lew.
>Greek government makes it impossible for GD to win more elections
>GD not winning more elections shows their method does not work
Does this make sense to anyone else? It sure doesn’t to me.
“Heaven forbid that a “gentleman” such as Peter Brimelow would have to do something so lowly as go to jail for what he believes in. I’ll take Michaloliakos any day over Brimelow.”
JR responds.
Please do not slander brave patriots on our side. We need fighters, writers, artists, poets, priests, rich, middle class, working class on our side. Peter Brimelow has done great work, and paid a heavy financial, social price – as have most of us.
The choice isn’t between Michaloliakos and Brimelow. It’s between BRA, Neo Conservative policies for genocide of our people and our culture, and anyone like Peter Brimelow who are doing effective resistance.
What are you doing?
I ‘m taking out billboards and newspaper adverts in Middle Tennessee naming names, opposing Tyson Foods policy to flood Middle Tennessee with low wage Somalian Muslim workers.
When this thing of ours is outlawed then we know progress is being made.
http://xaameriki.wordpress.com/
The latest is that Greeks donating food to Greeks is now criminal, and the ZOG government is trying to take away party members’ right to vote! I really like their use of the term ‘ethnocide.’
Thank you OC for absolving me of the shame of american inaction.
Ted Cruz suffers the typical Republican conservative affliction on immigration, i.e. legal good illegal bad no path to voting for Democrat-leaning immigrant groups. He hasn’t turned traitor or changed his mind, he is being consistent with who he always was. He voted against Gang Bangers of Eight, which is all we needed out of him.
The reason why I’m fine with him being in the Senate is that politics are arts of the possible. But for Cruz, the person holding that Senate seat would have been David Dewhurst, who probably would have voted for Gang Bangers of Eight.
That said, I do not want Ted Cruz to be President, because he’s not white. A white country should have a white President, which is the ONLY reason I cast votes for John McCain and Willard Romney.
Now, back to the subject matter at hand. If I didn’t think activism mattered, do you think I’d still be engaged in my daily effort, now about 70% complete, to call every member of Congress to let them know my thoughts about immigration, and tailoring my message to whoever’s office I was calling? As an aside, an effort which has been made much harder because of the Obamacare staredown, the phone lines even to local district offices are now almost impossibly jammed.
“He said you’d be surprised how the “establishment” changes it’s tune as soon as a nationalist group gets even a little real bit of real power. Of course he was from the UK where PR is used.”
If PR means proportional representation, then you’re wrong. The UK does not have proportional representation.
“Who is being worn down?”
The system’s anti-white bullshit is being worn down, with the concomitant result of empowering pro-white political stances. For now it’s still small time, but I suspect you’d object even if it were big time because for you it simply doesn’t go far enough. Like most WNs you want your white ethnostate and you want it NOW, and to hell with what the world may think. Sorry to break it to you, Lew, but political reality doesn’t afford such imaginary easy fixes.
“Does this make sense to anyone else? It sure doesn’t to me.”
Makes a lot of sense to me. GD played right into the establishment’s hands with its shows of the strength — strength which in reality it simply did not have.
I fully expect to see a civil war in Greece. I also tend to think that the Turks are licking their chops looking at all the real estate they could seize if they buy up Greek debt.
You could easily see a Balkan war erupt from this situation. Expect the Germans and the US to back Turkey in this sort of dispute.
I think this would be a good time for all of us to send Hunter, and the LOS, a few dollars.
Money talks, bullshit walks.
The partners in Austria’s pro-Europe, centrist coalition scraped a combined majority on Sunday despite recording their worst election results since World War Two and losing support to the far-right Freedom Party and a new liberal party.
Chancellor Werner Faymann’s Social Democrats (SPO) – who had campaigned on a platform of defending jobs and pensions and redistributing wealth – got 27.1 percent of the vote, down more than two points from 2008, preliminary results showed.
The conservative People’s Party (OVP) also shed more than two points to 23.8 percent, giving the two parties that have dominated post-war Austrian politics a combined – albeit reduced – majority for a new five-year term in parliament.
Faymann said he would invite OVP leader Michael Spindelegger to join him in a new coalition government but acknowledged the result was not an overwhelming vote of confidence.
“There is much to do, on the one hand to justify this result and on the other hand to build up more trust for the future,” he told ORF television.
Spindelegger said he was open to talks, but refused to rule out a coalition with the far-right Freedom Party (FPO) and the new Eurosceptic party of Austro-Canadian car-parts magnate Frank Stronach – a combination that would be numerically feasible.
“This result is a wake-up call,” he told ORF. “We can’t simply go on as before.”
Sylvia Kritzinger, head of the social science methods department at Vienna University, said she saw Spindelegger’s comments as posturing to gain leverage with the SPO.
“I think that the grand coalition is going to continue its work although you can’t really call it a ‘grand’ coalition any longer,” she said.
The anti-immigration and anti-Islam FPO, which seeks to end taxpayer-funded bailouts of weaker euro zone countries, boosted its share of the vote by almost four points to 21.4 percent.
“This is an incredible success. We are the election-night victors,” said FPO leader Heinz-Christian Strache, 44, a polarising figure who is popular with many young people but anathema to the political establishment that he loves to bash.
Populists hostile to the euro or to immigration have ridden a wave of anger over austerity, recession and unemployment to make inroads from the Netherlands to Italy, France, Finland and Greece since the financial crisis began in 2008.
Their rise highlights the threat to centrist parties in government around Europe that are implementing unpopular austerity policies and structural economic reforms.
More than 10 percent of Austria’s nearly 6.4 million eligible voters applied for absentee ballots, which were due to be tallied by Monday, but these were unlikely to change the outcome significantly.
The right-wing Alliance for the Future of Austria (BZO), which split from the FPO in 2005, narrowly failed to win re-election with 3.6 percent.
“Politics hasn’t been put on a new track today but it was pretty close,” said Wolfgang Bachmeyer, head of Austria’s OGM marketing institute.
“If the BZO had scored a few more tenths of a percentage point … then the decades-long era of the grand coalitions between the SPO and OVP would have been over.”
The results set up weeks of haggling over a new government.
At loggerheads on tax, education and other issues, the coalition parties have been avoided structural reforms in favour of minor policy adjustments, eager not to stall the export-driven economy.
Last year they were able to cobble together a 27 billion euro ($37 billion) package of spending curbs and tax hikes that aims to balance the budget by 2016.
But finances are under pressure from the cost of supporting the ailing nationalised bank Hypo Alpe Adria.
Critics say the coalition’s lack of appetite for robust reform may over time jeopardise the high standard of living that most of Austria’s 8.4 million residents enjoy.
The ruling parties had counted on their record in guiding Austria through the crisis relatively unscathed to win another term.
But unlike in neighbouring Germany, where Chancellor Angela Merkel scored a landslide victory on September 22 partly on the strength of the German economy, many voters felt hard done-by, despite the lowest jobless rate in the EU and economic growth well above the EU average.
A string of corruption scandals has also contributed to disenchantment with mainstream Austrian politicians.
The environmentalist Greens, who would have been likely to join the existing coalition parties in government had they failed to secure a majority, gained one point to win 11.5 percent.
Strache’s FPO could not overtake the OVP due to competition from car-parts magnate Frank Stronach’s new party, also Eurosceptic but without the FPO’s anti-foreigner tone.
Team Stronach got 5.8 percent, ahead of the evening’s other big winner, the new liberal party Neos, which got 4.8 percent – above the 4 percent threshold needed to enter parliament.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/09/29/uk-austria-elections-idUKBRE98S0F620130929
Peter Brimelow wasn’t arrested or assassinated as the cost of his immigration patriotism.
All he did was lose a good career being the editor-in-chief at Forbes magazine.
They don’t have to kill you to kill you.