Greece
I expect this will happen to us at some point:
“ATHENS — The leader of Greece’s extreme-right Golden Dawn party and four other of its lawmakers were formally charged Saturday with membership in a criminal organization with intent to commit crimes, in an escalation of a government crackdown after a fatal stabbing blamed on a supporter.
…“The prime minister and the government were determined to deal with Golden Dawn solely through the justice system,” Kedikoglou said. “We have succeeded in stripping them of their political cover and dealing with them as what they really are, a criminal organization.” …
Note: It is an even bigger waste of time to run for elected office in the United States or to vote for some worthless grandstanding Republican like Ted Cruz. We have seen on countless occasions that the small clique that runs the USA always does what it wants to do regardless of elections.
“We have seen on countless occasions that the small clique that runs the USA always does what it wants to do regardless of elections.”
Yes, and my two senators who assured me on a number of occasions that they would never approve Obamacare, just voted for cloture on Obamacare.
Hacktivist Anonymous or whatever they call themselves hacked Golden
Dawn, NYC.
What’s to keep them from hacking this site or other american pro-white ones?
Silver,
The system’s anti-white bullshit is being worn down, with the concomitant result of empowering pro-white political stances.
What metrics do you propose for establishing his methods are accomplishing anything?
Lew says:
‘The government arresting your leadership on phony charges and declaring your party a criminal organization can stop any group. The left is sticking with proven methods it has been honing since 1917, that is, Bolshevik methods, harass, arrest, destroy.’
Yes, that is how they operate.
Lew says: ‘Do you think Whitaker’s methods would “get results” if the US government made spreading his ideas a crime?’
Whitaker’s results have not even registered as a blip on the radar screen. If he gains momentum in the real world, his group will get the Golden Dawn treatment as well.
GD received about 5% in the last election. Some recent polls have put them at 12-15% before the arrests, with elections being held next year. That’s the real reason the state went after them. I don’t believe at all that their % has gone down, that’s government propaganda imo.
The reason Golden Dawn is locked up, is because like all far rightists, they are Terrible at politics. Politics isn’t acting macho and going on torchlight parades, it is Convincing people your position is right and moral, in a non-threatening way.
Bill Johnson from American Freedom Party is how you do it right. Watch and learn from the master. He deals with an anti-White in this speech:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez9kovGifrs
They also use their youth to project a positive and friendly image, instead of a macho one like GD does:
http://american3rdposition.com/?p=11287
And of course this lady is another master:
Nationalist Woman Defies Marxist Crowd at Anti-War Rally
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8dSWfW0Wgw
Act macho and you’re going to get a macho response. Golden Dawn just got the reply I always knew they would get.
I don’t know how effective Whitaker can be? His website sets off my excellent, and not over-sensitive anti virus protection. Others have noticed this too.
Earl Butz says:
September 30, 2013 at 12:23 am
“I don’t know how effective Whitaker can be?”
Type anti-racist into Google and watch the search suggestions Google gives. Then type anti-White and White Genocide in and see how many hits you get. The difference between his stuff and everyone else, is White and Normal people can use it, without going to jail in Europe and they are using it.
“His website sets off my excellent, and not over-sensitive anti virus protection. ”
Have you considered the folks that control your anti-virus company, might be anti-White? 🙂
“I don’t know how effective Whitaker can be?”
His memes have diffused through teh interwebz at least. I use those phrases now IRL.
Golden Dawn is locked up because they’re bad at politics? Uh, I was impression they’re locked up on false charges by a criminal Greek leadership class breaking every law in the book because GD is good at politics. How pathetic there are people here and not just Richard blaming GD for this outcome.
Lew,
Greek government makes it impossible for GD to win more elections
>GD not winning more elections shows their method does not work
Does this make sense to anyone else? It sure doesn’t to me.
Silver,
Makes a lot of sense to me. GD played right into the establishment’s hands with its shows of the strength — strength which in reality it simply did not have.
I thought you might rise to the occasion.
Let me rephrase: does it make sense to anyone else?
RichardPW, thanks for the good, useful link. For those who missed it, I’ll repeat it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez9kovGifrs
Without the the millitary support of GD. Cops reign free.
Police force nowdays are mercenaries of the corrupt State.
A really pathetic display by William Johnson. Disappointing Mosin that you would promote such rubbish. First of all, just a few minutes into his talk, he mentions how he and other party leaders sat down for discussions with a Republican operative. That’s akin to sitting down with an SPLC operative and makes about as much sense. I almost closed the window right there, but I decided to stick it out. A few minutes later, he follows up with an anecdote about attending a black nationalist function. He made the comment that blacks can talk about what’s good for blacks, but his party will talk about what’s good for everybody. It’s sad to see retread mainstream conservatism still being pushed as credible at this late hour.
That organization is wasting everyone’s time and money, and probably mostly people of good will who what to see change but don’t appreciate they’re being led by leaders with bad judgment and poor political instincts. People out west would do better by supporting Northwest Front or even LOS.
The video was worth watching where William Johnson executed a truly masterful parry of the woman’s anti-racist thrust. That’s what I took from it, Lew. He seems to have a rhetorical style and personality very well suited for mainstream politics. But if he is, or would be, actually selling out whites when it comes to political decisions, I agree with you that he and Third Position in general don’t deserve any support. I don’t know much about Third Position or Freedom Party. The most effective use of support is generally of movements closest to home http://american3rdposition.com/?p=11287 that we can actually join and understand fully.
I also like this woman’s style, and much of what she says http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnJCvKA-oEU though I wouldn’t support her liberal party and politics.
Golden Dawn should take a page from history of the Knight of the Long Knives. Playing by their rules is jive.
Night of the Long Knives was initiated to finish the beheading of the original nazi party. The Strassers founded nazism; Hitler killed it and birthed Hitlerism.
Google this one macho boys:
“Austria Ruling Coalition Set for New Term, Nationalists Gain Ground – Exit Poll”
Quote
“But the far-right Eurosceptic and anti-immigration Freedom Party (FPOe) of Heinz-Christian Strache has also scored a significant result with a projected rise in its share of the vote to 22.4%, compared to 17.5% in 2008.”
So how come these folks are doing so well and they haven’t been put in jail yet? Could it be they aren’t using the macho 1930s method? Couldn’t be!
Maybe because Strassers wanted to remain chief commander of the army and Hitler just a mere Chancellor.You cant have two heads of state.
RichardPW
Would you describe Marine LePen’s approach “macho?”
No you wouldn’t.
But they’re still trying to string her up anyway.
RichardPW
I would expect non-macho Heinz-Christian Strache to be a victim of one of those “car accidents” pretty soon.
This is from Sam Francis writing in Chronicles in August 2002.
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The most obvious glimmer, of course, is in France, where Jean Marie Le Pen, after three decades of crusading against immigration, placed second in the French presidential primary in April, only to fall victim to a globally orchestrated campaign of vilification and demonization that clearly made it impossible for him to win more than 18 percent of the vote in the general election in May. Nevertheless, the major consequence of the Le Pen balloon was not what happened in France but what occurred in the Netherlands. There the result of the vilification of Le Pen was the outright murder of the man who was more or less the closest analogue to the French political leader, Pim Fortuyn, one day after the French vote.
The Fortuyn murder, by a left-wing crackpot, tends to make conspiracy theories obsolete. No one need speculate any longer that some secret cabal of the ruling classes orders assassins to eliminate troublesome political figures who just won’t shut up or go away. All the ruling classes now have to do is launch precisely the kind of vilification against such figures that the entire European and American press vomited at Le Pen (or earlier against his counterpart in Austria, Jorge Haider, or around the same time and to a somewhat lesser degree against Fortuyn himself). It is now well known to everyone that there are so many free-floating nuts allowed to roam at large through European and American society that the proper sort of vilification campaign can be relied upon sooner or later to trigger one or more of them into eliminating the designated figure. Some friends of Pat Buchanan wondered in 1999 when he was being vilified in the American press in much the same way if that was the real purpose; whether it consciously was or not, it remains a small miracle that Mr. Buchanan — or indeed, Mr. Le Pen, or Mr. Haider, or any such leaders in Europe or America — remains alive today.
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This tactic now goes by the modern fancy name of “eliminationism,” or “eliminationist hate.” That’s another way they can nail our movement’s leaders, macho, non-macho or otherwise.
Lew, the video was worth watching where William Johnson executed a truly masterful parry of the woman’s anti-racist thrust. He appears well suited for mainstream politics. But if he is, or would be, actually selling out whites in his political decisions, I agree with you that he and Third Position in general don’t deserve any support. I don’t know much about Third Position or Freedom Party. The most effective use of support is generally of movements closest to home http://american3rdposition.com/?p=11287 that we can actually join and understand fully.
countenance says:
“But they’re still trying to string her up anyway.”
Of course they will try, because they are anti-White. But she is not going to make it EASY for them, like Golden Dawn did.
You know, not only did I look at Golden Dawn and think they were doomed, when I saw the crazy things they were saying and doing. I am thinking exactly the same about the settlers at Leith.
I posted a couple of mantras on the Leith story, but soon gave up demoralized. I mean what is the point of trying to help people, that are so determined to doom themselves?
Leith proves the rule that commonsense is not common, it is rare.
I’m reading all of the usual Yankee/Northern/Jew & Catholic induced paranoia here at OD all of a sudden. LOL.
It won’t be race, or religion, or Southern heritage that gets Dr. Hill & the LOS in trouble, it will be secession. If the secession movement starts picking up steam, and it looks like it will to me, the usual suspects may try to stop it in the Southern States.
Heck, California for all intents & purposes is nullifying many federal laws, including voting, juries, drivers licenses, co-operation in criminal immigration enforcement, law licenses for illegal aliens, etc. etc. Can other States start to pick & chose too? Why not?
Lew,
“What metrics do you propose for establishing his methods are accomplishing anything?”
The effect it has on the outcome of racial debates and discussions, be it online or in person.
I think I can confidently claim anyone who takes race seriously enough to post at a blog like this has had the experience of being told something along the lines of, “I’m not scared of black people. I’m scared of people like YOU!” These hysterical reactions occur because, although people might privately agree that you have made a good point or two (especially in their calmer moments), they have the sense that they are being “cornered,” that they are being dragged into making more of an issue out of race than they are comfortable.
As exasperating as these reactions can be, seen from the other party’s point of view, they do make sense. It’s clear to them you know more about race than they do so they are left wondering “Well, okay, if I agree with this person, then what comes next? Just what is he going to demand of me? Am I supposed to start hating other races now — or worse?”
BUGSer-style points are effective because they result far less frequently in these sorts of reactions. Gaining agreement that society is (or is fast becoming) anti-white, or that people should not be anti-white, or that white genocide is wrong (I don’t use that term personally, but I’ll play along here), doesn’t have the effect of “demanding” anything further beyond that simple agreement. It allows people to conclude on their own that things can’t be allowed to go on like this. If they do draw that conclusion then they’ll be open to alternatives.
“I thought you might rise to the occasion.”
Heh. Look, the problem with tough guy posturing is that if the people aren’t with you it works against you. If the people are with you, then even if you screw up and go too far it doesn’t do any great harm. Remember that sicko Baruch Goldstein? Massacred 29 Palestinians in cold blood (and was trying to kill many more). But it didn’t even begin to tarnish Jewish nationalism because Jews agree (to put it mildly) that their group existence matters. Goldstein may have acted immorally, but the cause he acted for was considered eminently just. Contrast that to a Breivik or a Bob Matthews.
What you actually need is a robust imperialist who is also willing to spell out that whites need to conquer and replace other groups.
Before you say “Hitler Tried that…” no he didn’t he killed 10s of millions of whites and invaded other white homelands. 60-70 years ago Africa was a European colony. Asia was a European and American colony. Germans were more than welcome to man these white Empires. They got jealous in a fit.
A lot of the rot for the white started because the Americans integrated blacks and eyed European empires as evil. Add the Communist take over of Russia into that mix and it has become an existential problem for us.
I do not see a parallel between GD and twentieth century Fascist or Nazi movements btw. Greece will probably be auctioned off to the Turks and Islamified.
I don’t understand the strategy here. How do you go from tiny demos to state power?
Silver,
Do you think it matters that
1) GDs “thug” image is entirely a fabrication of hostile media?
2) Greeks are routinely attacked and assaulted by immigrants. A lot of GDs so-called thuggery is simply protecting Greeks from violent immigrants. Moreover, GD members have been assaulted by violent antifa. GDs offices have been bombed on multiple occasions. GD has simply fought back in self-defense.
As for Whitaker’s ideas, I see no concrete evidence they have changed anything to the extent they have penetrated discourse. No one is talking about white genocide other than them and their allies.
“What you actually need is a robust imperialist who is also willing to spell out that whites need to conquer and replace other groups.”
– Uh, no we don’t, you idiot. Speaking as an American, my country needs to return to the Monroe Doctrine and focus our energies on our internal problems. Pitiful British expats like yourself can keep reading your Flashman novels and fantasizing about a long dead empire never to return.
“60-70 years ago Africa was a European colony.”
– And that’s why there are so fucking many niggers on earth today — because the European’s presence there, with his law and medicine and agriculture, foolishly interfered with Natural Law and suspended the Africans self-culling of their own numbers, to the point where the entire continent, and now the rest of world, is overpopulated with the filthy creatures. THAT is the result of your fond old “empire”.
“Asia was a European and American colony.”
– The hell are you babbling about?? Where in Asia did America ever have a colony?
“Germans were more than welcome to man these white Empires. They got jealous in a fit.”
– Uh no, they did not. Germany was an ascendent economic and military powerhouse, despite having endured the humiliation of the Versailles treaty and the Jewish fleecing of their nation during Weimar Republic. Germany would have rightfully replaced Britain is the center of influence in Europe, and you Limey chauvanist pigs couldn’t bear the thought of it. The Germans are were everything you British aren’t — creative, adaptable, industrious, and above all else, stubbornly self-reliant — Germans never want or need black or brown “laborers” for anything, unlike the British who define themselves by the imposition of servitude upon others.
“A lot of the rot for the white started because the Americans integrated blacks and eyed European empires as evil.”
– Oh shut the hell up with that ridiculous canard. America never gave one shit about European colonial possessions and you damn well know it. America was too busy protecting your worthless, ungrateful asses from the Soviet Union and communist aggression which spread like wildfire around the world in receptive wake of your colonial cruelty. You can take your undeserved grievance and shove it. And don’t forget Captain John, it was YOUR country that outlawed slavery first, YOUR country that made niggers into citizens, and YOUR country, OF IT’S OWN FREE WILL, that invited all of it’s former subjects to live on it’s own soil. Stop posting.
Flashman is more of an expose on Empire rather than a masturbatory fantasy.
The Monroe Doctrine was exclusively about keeping great European powers out of the affairs of South America. That’s just as out of date as anything you derided in the above post.
It’s an utterly misguided idea fit for the early 19th century with no practical application today. Roosevelt’s hostility to the Raj was just as stupid as Eisenhower hustling the French out of Indochina. It got you Vietnam and Afghanistan.
Long term there’s only a plan to replace whites in both North America and Europe with black or brown imports. This is clearly coming from senior officials in both the US and EU. Staying on the defensive about it won’t work. Offensive colonization is the only way out. During the time that the Monroe Doctrine was most active the US was shoving Mexico, Indians and what not further and further South and West. Monroe’s Doctrine was part of an expansionist worldview, it was also developed as a way to informally and formally reserve South America as the US’s version of a colonial imperium.
The French did it first, strictly speaking, and certain states outlawed it before them.
Chris,
The Monroe Doctrine was also an instrument of British policy, in that it prevented Spanish and French reconquest of former colonies. It was enforced as a part of the Pax Britannica. George Camning even proposed a joint endorsement of the idea that Spain and France should be barred from re colonization.
Open a fucking book man.
God damn, you are moron.
“The Monroe Doctrine was exclusively about keeping great European powers out of the affairs of South America.”
– No, not “exclusively”, you halfwit. The doctrine was basically an agreement that Europe and the New World would respect each others boundaries and stay out of each others business. The Monroe Doctrine later became synonymous with American isolationism.
“It’s an utterly misguided idea fit for the early 19th century with no practical application today.”
– Heh, I wouldn’t expect a Brit to see the practicality in a nation minding it’s own business and concentrating it’s resources toward the welfare of it’s own people. You scumbags sure as hell wouldn’t let Germany do it in the 1940’s so why would you cotton to the idea today?
“..Eisenhower hustling the French out of Indochina.”
– And your wrong again, as usual. Just what are you a “professor” of anyway? Eisenhower didn’t hustle anybody out of anywhere. The US government was bankrolling the fucking French war effort against the Viet Mihn, you dumbass. And after those blundering French pussies blew it and QUIT ON THERE OWN, we took over when we didn’t have to and bled ourselves to death keeping communism at bay in SE Asia. You don’t know the first damn thing your’re talking about. Stop posting.
So much for getting us out of the internet ditch…
“I don’t use that term personally”
I’ll bet you don’t you yid troll.
– No, not “exclusively”, you halfwit. The doctrine was basically an agreement that Europe and the New World would respect each others boundaries and stay out of each others business. The Monroe Doctrine later became synonymous with American isolationism.
That’s not true. Look at the primary resources. You might want to look at the genesis of the policy. The Doctrine was all about keeping the Spanish out of their old colonies. If the Doctrine meant what you assert, the US would have thrown the Crown out of Canada.
Next thing, the duplicity of American policy concerning French Indochina right up until Dien Bien Phu is well cataloged. The US was raring to get in there and show the effete Frogs how to kill Commies, just so long as the French were humiliated first.
The Violent Hypocrisy Of The Zionist Hydra Trumps The Voice Of A Million Greeks – Venizelos (the second most powerful man in Greece’s ruling coalition) meets privately with 4 different Jewish organizations (AJC, WJC, B’nai B’rith, and ADL) only days before this illegal act of political repression. Now Prime Minister Samaras is also in New York, to meet with the same groups on Monday to give his bosses a debriefing. Why are Samaras and Venizelos constantly coming and going to meet with these groups, yet not even meeting with Obama, who really rules Greece?
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The French exit meant that Eisenhower could have dropped Truman’s commitment in Vietnam. Truman had aided the French, and the French had got out. American credibility was not at stake, for it was the French who had lost the struggle. However, the French withdrawal from Vietnam was seen by Dulles as a great opportunity for greater US involvement. ‘We have a clean base there now, without the faint taint of colonialism,’ said Dulles, calling Dienbienphu ‘a blessing in disguise’. When the Eisenhower administration created South Vietnam, Truman’s commitment had not been renewed but recreated, with a far greater degree of American responsibility.
This distaste for Imperialism is the basic Achilles heel of American Foreign policy.
313Chris, I agree with your view on the British fear of Germany. It was, in a sense, so stated by Churchill. They were very fearful of Germany’s rising to her natural place of economic power on the continent and thus challenging the dominance of their “tribal” empire. Actually began pre- WWI.
“The US was raring to get in there”
Maybe George Kennan and the Dulles brothers were, but certainly not Eisenhower.
Fear of letting the Germans take over?
If that were true Chamberlain would never have carved up Czechoslovakia in concert with Hitler and Mussolini and handed Germany the Skoda factory, nor allowed the Germans to remilitarize the Rhineland and annex Austria. It’s quite interesting to see the general American view of Britain at that time. Chamberlain is both a quisling regards Munich and the British are determined to dismember Germany as proto-Morgenthals. Which is it to be? You cannot have both. That’s the Achilles Heel again.
Eisenhower practically created South Vietnam (maybe Dulles if you want to argue the toss) , which was the political problem all the way to the 70s. It would have been better to have treated Ho Chi Minh like a Tito: potentially socialist but non aligned. Once the French were defeated there were no more committed imperialists prepared to fight and occupy. Ho was a high school history professor and probably understood that Americans were not naturally/culturally imperialistic and were deeply hostile to old the European supremacy in Asia. He was probably thinking we can wait the US out and they will go home eventually, no plan to stick around.
“313Chris, I agree with your view on the British fear of Germany. It was, in a sense, so stated by Churchill. They were very fearful of Germany’s rising to her natural place of economic power on the continent and thus challenging the dominance of their “tribal” empire. Actually began pre- WWI.”
Germany was Zionist through and through before WWI, they even paid for the train that brought Lenin to St Petersberg in 1917. Jewish interests were heavily aligned with Imperial Germany. Berg, Stein, Witz…that we still think of these names as Jewish is a legacy of the cohabitation of the German and Jew in pre 1917 Europe.
“It would have been better to have treated Ho Chi Minh like a Tito: potentially socialist but non aligned.”
– What was it you said earlier, about “distaste for Imperialism” being the “Achilles Heel of Ametican foreign policy”…? Well based on your opinion of how communist thugs like Ho Chi Minh should’ve been dealt with, I would say that the ‘Achilles Heel’ of European foreign policy is ‘the absence of backbone’.
The European foreign policy in dealing with commie banana-republic thugs:
1. Rationalize
2. Acquiesce
3. Capitulate
The American foreign policy in dealing with commie banana-republic thugs:
1. Make fist.
2. Drive fist through fucker’s heart.
A good case study is the Suez Crisis. The Anglo-French landed in Suez to capture the canal that they built and the US told them to get out or face a run on the pound. That was it as far as the Empire was concerned.
1. Make fist.
2. Drive fist through fucker’s heart.
3. Then evacuate from embassy roof.