Coronavirus: 4/4

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1. He’s at it again. Trump won’t give up trying to reopen the economy. He will not stop until millions of us are all dead and there is a f-ing Walmart and McDonald’s going 24/7 on every city block.

   Here is the story I just read on CNN’s news site.
   https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/politics/trump-economy-task-force-coronavirus/index.html

   • Dude. Why should our (((globalist))) rulers care if a million or more dies, when they are bringing in millions of replacements each year?

     • If Israel wants to share in the West’s largesse, then let it share FULLY.

       http://turkishpress.com/coronavirus-deaths-rise-to-46-in-israel/

       “All trading firms except supermarkets, pharmacies, gas stations and banks have also been closed since March 15.
       Tel Aviv banned the entry of foreign citizens into the country…”

       It’s not enough Jewish dead. Not by six million… at least.

   • Hunter, I’ve seen you write in several articles that you believe covid-19 is a punishment from God. I don’t share your belief, but if you really believe this, then why are you advocating lockdowns to save lives? If it is God’s will that people get infected and die, then why are you mad at Trump for doing things that will cause that to happen?

   • Good. At this point I’m more fearful of food riots than this chopstick virus.

2. Vegas is back to normal. Streets are packed.

3. This was a joke. I was just around thousands of Vegas people. Seems we are tired and it’s done.
   Streets are packed here like any other day.

   • I’m glad to hear it, Ron! Now maybe I can see Penn&Teller at the Rio and Rich Little at the Tropicana like I originally planned. Enough of this grim isolation. We need to get back to work and back to life.

     • I was in the Rio years ago and Penn was in the area walking with an entourage. He’s a tall guy.

   • what streets are packed, freemont street is boarded up…
     https://www.earthcam.com/cams/nevada/lasvegas/index.php?cam=catsmeow_lv_fremont

     • Fremont is a dump. Locals are out shopping again. Soon the casinos will be back open and things will get back to normal.

       • I was disappointed when I saw Fremont Street. Too bad the Riviera was demolished. What is going to be put in its place?

4. Lowest. Poll.Numbers. Ever. Believe me…

5. Mr. Kohl, is your criterion for ending the business shutdown and normal human interaction (that is, “social distancing”) the same as Dr. Fauci: zero corvid-19 related deaths? if not, what is your exact number? No weasel words, give me a number or a firm trigger mechanism for doing so. Same question to our host: when does it end Brad/Hunter? You, Mr. Kohl, and other supporters of a throwback autarky economy going forward owe people a basis for ending the corvid-19 situation. Otherwise, you cannot legitimately complain when dissenters from your view call you on it. This forced return to yesterday cannot be imposed on the backs of those you bar from commerce. If a government wants to bulld an airport or an expressway they pay people living nearby the fair market value of the property to take it for a public use. If you are going to impose the cost of your public welfare shutdown on certain employers and employees you must compensate them, otherwise you are stealing their livelihood for your own benefit, and that is fundamentally unfair. So, answer the question, Martin and Brad.

   • You know they’re not going to

   • 1.) First, I am just watching this unfolding pandemic like everyone else. Needless to say, I am not in any position of power or influence. If that had been the case, we wouldn’t be in a lockdown right now because I had my eye on the ball in January. The reason why we are in a lockdown is because our leaders didn’t take the virus seriously to mid-March and allowed it to spiral out of control.

     2.) Second, I don’t care if people dissent from my point of view. I have never cared. This isn’t an echo chamber. Everyone who is dissenting from my point of view is allowed to post comments here so long as personal attacks and calls to violence are avoided.

     3.) Third, the situation as it stands today on April 5 is that the virus has been allowed to establish itself in nearly every county in America. It has gained a strong foothold in several major metropolitan areas.

     4.) Fourth, we don’t have a vaccine or a cure for this virus. Thus, the only thing we can do to stop the spread and suppress the epidemic and bring down the R0 to below 1 is social distancing. This isn’t difficult to understand. We are trying to put out a fire.

     5.) Fifth, if we don’t take extreme actions that disrupt our normal lives, the virus will burn through the population, destroy the health care system, wreck the economy and kill millions of people all at once. This is why our leaders have made the choice to impose lockdowns.

     6.) I’ve already said how I would personally deal with the virus. First and foremost, we need to mass produce a test that can provide a result within minutes. We need to test everyone and come up with a system that segregates the healthy from the sick. We can gradually come out of a lockdown starting with the most critical sectors of the workforce. It is just a matter of keeping the sick and the healthy separate. This isn’t hard and several countries are already going this . We can’t go back to the old system though where everyone can do whatever they want and go wherever they want any time they want regardless of whether they are sick or healthy.

     • You should just put this comment up as a post here

     • Nice try, but volume (words) does not equate mass (content). You did not answer my question:. WHEN does it end? Reality is that it is impossible for any jurisdiction, county, state, or country, to identify all people living therein, so it is impossible to vaccinate everyone, even assuming the vaccine is 100 percent effective. So, once again, numbers matter, or they should to a person claiming to be acting responsibly.

       As a result, achieving Dr. Fauci”s 100 percent success in ending corvid-19 deaths is also impossible. Similarly, your sensible moderate gradualism in reopening the entire economy once more does not tell the employees and businesses forcibly frozen out of the opportunity to be productive and thus renumerated by sales and salary WHEN it all ends. And since you will not sign on to a policy of genuine help like paying all business expenses, including salaries, until states end their lockdowns, or act to force politicians to do so, I must assume you feel safe yourselves financially, and therefore identify with the Establishment instead of the rest.

       I will conclude by saying that a rising number of people are asking the questions raised here, so don’t expect your dissident version of the sensible center to hold. The rest of us can locate the facts, accepted and contested, just as well as you normies, but we are not going to the future gulags quietly. You may do so, we choose otherwise. Totalitarianism is staring you in the face. Huey was never blind to reality. Nor was he scared to tell the Emperor he was a lying naked SOB.

       • 1.) No one knows “when it will end.” It depends on how soon a cure, vaccine or treatment can be found and whether social distancing and quarantines prove to be effective. If the population doesn’t self isolate, the virus will continue to spread. This isn’t difficult to understand. A virus spreads by infecting other people and separating them reduces the infectiousness of the disease.

         2.) We have created vaccines that have eradicated any number of previous major diseases. See polio and measles.

         3.) China locked down Wuhan, Hubei province and over half of its population in February. It worked in reducing the outbreak of the virus to a more manageable level. The West has been forced to do the same thing.

         4.) Since I am not in charge of dealing with this crisis, I am not in any position to tell anyone WHEN it will end.

         5.) In the absence of a vaccine or a cure, I agree that nothing can be done to stop the spread of the virus except quarantines and social distancing.

         6.) As I have said all along, pandemics and other natural disasters have ALWAYS happened. A few days ago, a tornado ripped a path across my hometown. I accepted it. I accept it when it rains outside and ruins my plans. This is no different.

         7.) This isn’t a conspiracy website. I also don’t believe in the conspiracies which are ridiculous. North Korea, Venezuela, Iran, Russia and China are not part of a conspiracy with the European Union and Donald Trump and the governor of Alabama. This is nothing more than another pandemic which is the entire world is struggling to deal with at the moment.

         8.) I don’t think quarantines and lockdowns are an unreasonable way to suppress an epidemic. No one is being thrown in a gulag.

         9.) Donald Trump isn’t a “lying naked SOB” who is part of a vast conspiracy against you. He is just a moron who happens to be the president during a real crisis. There is no rollout of totalitarianism either. Trump couldn’t make up his mind whether it was the flu for two months.

         10.) Finally, the situation is exactly as it seems, and there is no conspiracy. In fact, nothing unusual is going on. There have always been pandemics and we have always tried to segregate the infected from the healthy.

     • Great points, but you need to enforce your own rule on not allowing personal attacks.

       We just need to do mass testing and a quarantine of the infected and those they’ve had contact with, and then let people live their lives, with the added masks and gloves for protection. What South Korea, Taiwan and other more prepared countries did, in other words.

       • Bingo, Boomer X. Your suggestions would be effective in contesting corvid-19’s spread while allowing life to go on, with sensible precautions. Personality need not enter into the debate as long as the recommendations show concern for all, not just those of us who can keep working and earning. My perception is that our host is ignoring the impact of his just wait for a cure policy on people who are prevented from self-sufficiency by lockdowns. You don’t rebuild from tornado or hurricane destruction by shutting down the ability to keep earning income to pay for the repair operation, and you don’t treat corvid-19 by eliminating people’s sources of self-sufficiency going forward. Medicine and economics are separate issues, but without money, curing the disease will not pay the bills, and ignoring that reality to smear that thought as conspiracy theory does not make the thought incorrect. On that, I am right and our host is not.

         • Public health and economics are not separate issues.

           It was people who prioritized the economy over public health who are responsible for this crisis. They refused to shutdown international flights until passengers could be screened. They refused to call off Mardi Gras, the Super Bowl, Spring Break and Chinese Lunar New Year. They refused to change their behavior in the slightest way or to take the virus seriously because it would “spook the markets” and harm investors. Now that the virus is literally everywhere as a result, they are the ones who have imposed lockdowns because a thousand people a day are dying from this and the number would continue skyrocketing otherwise.

         • JRC, my points were just an amplification of HW’s sixth point (in his 4/5 @ 2:06 pm post). The US doesn’t have the tests or PPE for all of us yet, so we’re stuck with the measures we’ve got.

       • Okay Boomer X, point taken. On the lack of PPE we can legitimately blame Trump for not using the Defense Production Act he himself invoked to order American businesses to mass produce what is needed on a crash basis. This is probably due to the “advice” of that nitwit son-in-law Jared Kushner. But I don’t see how anyone can dispute that the economy must be reopened before people we both support lose their homes and other things needed to live in 2020 America. That is not Boomer Muy Economy or hating granny, that is hard reality. Now if TPTB had taken my advice to pay all business expenses, including 100 % of employees’ salary, for as long as Trump’s Corona emergency declaration remains in effect, then I would support a total nationwide lockdown indefinitely, because no person or business would be unsupported during the crisis. That is all I am saying, if there must be sacrifices to beat corvid-19, they must be shared equally, not imposed by the strong on the weak, then cheerleaded by the sensible center and/ or moderate dissident right.

6. Isn’t so strange that so many of these $hit-4-brain celebrities, who seem to be catching the Corona in such extremely disproportionate numbers — and who, in such a virtue-$ignalling way are so seemingly proud to, allegedly, have it — that virtually none of them are ever seriously sick … let alone dead from it?!?

   5 things about the coronavirus pandemic that just don’t add up – The Culture Chronicles

   […]

   These are just 5 things that simply don’t add up and there are actually many more.

   For example, when the total cases were less than 2K here in America, why were so many high profile people testing positive? Tom Hanks, Idris Elba, and many other celebrities all tested positive out of such a tiny fraction of the population.

   That’s like going to a random McDonald’s and meeting Tom Cruise, Beyonce, and Lebron James all in the same day.It’s just not statistically plausible.

   […]

   • Well — I can kind of see them catching it disproportionately as reasonable. They’re constantly wandering around in crowds of hangers-on and other people, visiting multiple places to keep selling themselves to the public so they can rake in the dough. Public personalities are pretty much just as much germ magnets as public toilets, one would think.

     The lack of serious cases is a bit odd, though.

     (Unless, of course, they’ve been getting black market chloroquinine [sp.] from whoever they buy their regular dose of top quality illegal stimulants from, too. 😉 )

   • There’s a study being conducted in Oxford and 78% of the test subjects show no symptoms. Only 12% get feverish or cough or get pink eye. They c
     Ant determine a vaccine from that cohort.
     So it’s reasonable to assume that well fed rich celebrities would easily coast through a bout of the Corona-Chan.

     Some people get it, it incubates for a week they get a spiked temperature, their lungs fill with glue and their heart stops.

7. In your March 30 blog entry (headed “Coronavirus: 3/30”), you wrote the following, Mr. W.:

   “Since when do 279 people die in New York in one day from the flu? None of the flu truthers have been able to answer that question.”

   Hold on a second. I’m not sure the flu truthers haven’t been addressing that question. Some of them, at least, are saying deaths are invalidly being attributed to COVID-19. I’m pretty sure Hitchens–can’t think of his first name but brother of Christopher Hitchens–recently quoted a doctor or epidemiologist who said the collection of COVID-19 data was potentially being complicated because the presence of the virus in a person who has died has been made “notifiable” in some locality. (I think that that was the technical term he used–“notifiable.” Maybe it means that the death of a person who’s tested positive for the virus has to be reported to some agency or another.)

   I personally don’t know how much weight to attach to that, but–well, look, here’s another of your statements (from your April 1 entry headed “The Flu vs. Coronavirus III”):

   “Even in the worst flu season of the last decade in New York state, there were 223 pneumonia deaths in a week whereas 372 people died yesterday alone in New York in a single day.”

   If I were to go back through all your recent entries, I might be able to find one or two more of your statements that are like the two I’ve already quoted herein–but you haven’t addressed the following:

   Are daily deaths in New York City unusually high?

   Forget about the supposed cause of death. Let’s just see the death numbers. Is that number–of daily deaths in New York City–unusually high? I personally am not going to research that–but I’m not the one who’s posting blog entries suggesting there’s a crisis here.

   If the number of daily deaths isn’t unusually high, then we have to start wondering whether some great many of these deaths being attributed to COVID-19 aren’t really COVID-19 deaths. In some website debate I encountered a week or so ago, someone linked to a recent weekly report, I think it was, by some group that monitors mortality data in Europe. As I recall, the report said the overall European numbers were normal, though there was a “local spike” in Italy. I haven’t seen a single mention anywhere of the normal daily death tally in New York City.

   Maybe in that same website discussion I just mentioned, someone mentioned, too, that even if the death numbers in some places–say, New York City–are unusually high, we’d have to see whether a period of unusually low numbers follows. That would suggest that, in many cases, COVID-19 had simply pushed failing persons over the brink.

   PS The piece by Hitchens–Peter Hitchens–is at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8163587/PETER-HITCHENS-Great-Panic-foolish-freedom-broken-economy-crippled.html and contains the following:

   “John Lee, a recently retired professor of pathology and a former NHS consultant pathologist, writes in The Spectator this weekend that by making Covid-19 a notifiable disease, the authorities may have distorted the figures.

   “‘In the current climate, anyone with a positive test for Covid-19 will certainly be known to clinical staff looking after them: if any of these patients dies, staff will have to record the Covid-19 designation on the death certificate – contrary to usual practice for most infections of this kind.

   “‘There is a big difference between Covid-19 causing death, and Covid-19 being found in someone who died of other causes.

   “Making Covid-19 notifiable might give the appearance of it causing increasing numbers of deaths, whether this is true or not. It might appear far more of a killer than flu, simply because of the way deaths are recorded.’

   “This, of course, explains why such an overwhelming number of Covid deaths, here and abroad, involve so-called ‘underlying conditions’, in fact serious, often fatal, diseases.

   “Take this into account whenever you hear official figures of coronavirus deaths.

   “Dr Lee adds, equally crucially: ‘We risk being convinced that we have averted something that was never really going to be as severe as we feared.’”

   • There’s an element of operational exercise around this. But only because I expect the Pandemic of 2026 will actually be much worse.

8. Either this is a pandemic, or we can cure it. If the former, fine. If the latter, what is going on that we are not treating this as it SHOULD be treated… and why are White People dying? What is the DEEP STATE doing?

   FYI!

   “The top virologist on the planet confirmed that chloroquine was being used by the Chinese with spectacular results to cure patients, then he improved his magic potion by adding a pneumonic antibacterial called azythromicin, and saved everyone of his first 1000 cases, but one.

   Donald Trump immediately imposed the same treatment through a fight against his own Federal Drug Administration, bought and owned by the deep state. This forced all medias to talk about Dr Didier Raoult’s Miracle Elixir, signing the death warrant on our confidence in all Western governments, their medical agencies, the World Health Organization, and medias that were trying to destroy the impeccable doctor’s reputation, while inventing sudden «dangerous side effects» of a nearly inoffensive drug that has been used for 60 years to treat malaria.

   Not so far away in Germany, internationally praised Dr Wolfgand Wodarg noted that the engineered panic was totally useless, since this virus isn’t any different than the others that affect us every years. This has been an amazing victory for Trump and the general population on social medias, whom exposed together the pathological lies of the official communication channels of every New World Order country. De facto, the credibility’s of these puppet governments have vanished in the air, and from the eye of the storm, Italy will surely exit the EU right after the crisis, which will trigger a domino effect running through every EU countries and NATO members. My friends, globalism is dead and ready for cremation.”

   – http://orientalreview.org/2020/03/31/putin-and-trump-vs-the-new-world-order-the-final-battle/

   • Oh, and the punchline of the article:

     “We’re about to learn that European countries fear that China or Russia finds the truth in the Lombardy region, where people are not dying from some corona bug, but probably from a deadly cocktail hybrid from two earlier vaccines for meningitis and influenza, that they were injected in separate vaccination campaigns.”

     Merely a ‘talk amongst yourselves’ moment….

9. Why aren’t we all dead yet? Well, some are. Deaths from abortion so far in 2020, about 10 million. Deaths from the corona flu, a few thousand….but ok, if we are not all dead by tomorrow, something is rotten in Denmark.

10. Keith Alexander and James Edwards are both being stupid for minimizing the highly contagious and asymptomatic COVID-19!

    The tune that Alexander and Edwards should be playing is that COVID-19 is a result of open borders and globalization. Not to mention the very logical and rational possibility that COVID-19 is a Chinese bio-weapon that got loose either accidentally or on purpose from a Chinese research lab.

    From what I’ve read COVID-19 causes your own immune system to attack bronchial and lung tissue resulting in pneumonia. What if there is no long term cure, or immunity from COVID-19? The suggested use of anti-malaria drugs makes me suspicious of this outcome, because some, if not all forms of malaria are recurring over time.

    Alexander and Edwards are out to lunch on this one.

    There was a Confederate medial doctor, who was educated in France and Germany in the hospitals/schools of Pasteur and Koch. On returning to the South he was offered a high position in the Confederate military medical establishment. He turned the commission down, because he had only ever treated one gunshot wound, and his studies had been about the then emerging field of germ theory.

    After a year into the war, and the realization that diseases were killing 10 times more Confederate soldiers than battle wounds—he relented and took the commission!

    • In the UK – the English population is being strictly monitored, threatened, and cordoned off in their own homes, in their own country – whilst the invaders aren’t. The English are being punished with arrest and fines is they leave their homes without permission. The invaders are going about their business as usual. The invader aliens don’t seem to be getting sick at all. Hhhmm……that’s…weird…Muslims attack the police that try to quarantine them and the badge f#gs scurry away and leave them alone. If the Wuflu was SO dangerous – why aren’t Muslims dropping dead in the streets? Because they AREN’T.

      Doctors in Europe, especially in Italy, have stated that ever-one who has died, and has had the corona virus present in their system, their death is attributed to the WuFlu. It’s a very lax approach. Did you know that EVERY cold you’ve ever gotten is a corona-virus, and that most people get approx 60+ colds, during the course of their lifetimes? So having a “corona virus” trace in your system means nothing. Just about every one who had died had loads of other serious issues. and several deaths recorded as being due to the WuFlu have been uncovered as flat out lies.

      I think the virus is real – but the dangers of same are being hugely,criminally exaggerated and exploited, in order to grab power by the (((Usual Suspects))) – because the shell-game “economy” was already crashing.

      • I’m pretty sure that the highest rate of COVID-19 is among Muslims in Britain! I read where one British Muslim leader called COVID-19 the “Scourge of Allah”. LOL.

        • It’ll be a Ghetto Buster.

        • “I’m pretty sure that the highest rate of COVID-19 is among Muslims in Britain! I read where one British Muslim leader called COVID-19 the “Scourge of Allah”. LOL.”

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          Keep lying in your usual flippant way

      • In the UK – the English population is being strictly monitored, threatened, and cordoned off in their own homes, in their own country – whilst the invaders aren’t. The English are being punished with arrest and fines is they leave their homes without permission. The invaders are going about their business as usual. The invader aliens don’t seem to be getting sick at all. Hhhmm……that’s…weird…Muslims attack the police that try to quarantine them and the badge f#gs scurry away and leave them alone. If the Wuflu was SO dangerous – why aren’t Muslims dropping dead in the streets? Because they AREN’T.

        That’s right, they aren’t

        It’s simply anarcho-tyranny

        TYRANNY FOR WHITES … anarchy for EVERYONE ELSE

        *All the while White right wingers cheering it all on

    • Yep. The doctors are handing out suspected patients with Doxycyline which is a well known anti malarial form of antibiotics. Good for stds as well.

    • The tune that Alexander and Edwards should be playing is that COVID-19 is a result of open borders and globalization. Not to mention the very logical and rational possibility that COVID-19 is a Chinese bio-weapon that got loose either accidentally or on purpose from a Chinese research lab.

      ===

      You just encapsulated the very precise reason why so many right-wingers are falling for the official narrative, because you want to believe it, because, as I said many times before, you think it will “discredit’ globali$m”, and somehow, sorta, “right wing governments” are going to “take over”.

      Just like 9/11 “should have” discredited open borders and globalism, right???

      While I certainly wouldn’t mind having right wing, traditionalist governments in power, did you ever think that maybe, instead of discrediting and ending globalism, the whole response to Corona-chan is a very globalist one, and is actually strengthening it??

      I mean, perhaps globalism 1.0 is being discredited, but what could take its place is ‘globalism 5.0’

      Coronavirus won’t end globalisation, but change it hugely for the better | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian
      https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/08/the-coronavirus-outbreak-shows-us-that-no-one-can-take-on-this-enemy-alone

      Let’s not keep falling for the dialectic

11. This half assed shutdown is a waste of precious time. We can’t be shutdown forever and need a hard quarantine then some reopening of our economy if we all wear masks, keep some distance at work, and then targeted measures at certain hotspots. Certain things though I can’t see being open for a long time such as crowded public events like cinemas, bars, and sporting events.

    We have to get the crops in, agriculture has to be exempt, and I don’t think it is a particularly risky endeavor anyway as sitting alone in a planter or sprayer qualifies as social distancing and the low population density in the farmbelt isn’t NYC.

    Get your garden in though. Vermont had the gall to ban Walmart and other stores from selling seeds and gardening supplies as “non essential” probably some clueless bureaucrat that hopefully should be over ruled before planting season up there as that is one of the last zones to plant. The mid part of the country is entering cool weather vegetable planting season. Time to get in your lettuce, spinach, radish, beet, etc that like the cool spring. Tomatoes, melons, peppers, eggplant, beans will have to wait till May though in the mid latitudes of the US. I certainly hope I can get the live plants as these things are just too much work to start indoors. The average home winter room temperature is not hot enough for them to sprout well, they like 75+ and when I did get start stuff I found out they are not UV tolerant when moved outside and all my special variety yellow cucumbers died last year when I put them outside and had to plant more seeds directly in the dirt outdoors.

    • I’ve been restocking some of my ponds and planting a garden as well.

    • Nightowl – re: seeds – good for Vermont. Small farmers are ordering their seed stocks now – and are having a very difficult time GETTING seeds. EVERY bonehead, who things meat comes from the grocery store and not an animal is buying up all sorts of seeds, from everywhere. And 99.9% of these General Public types, who have never before grown weeds, will be abject failures in providing food for themselves. Farming, real farming is a very hard thing to do. So farmers should get seeds, because FARMERS will possess the know how to grow a lot of food. Planting tomatoes in a pot, on your patio is fine; with several varieties a chimpanzee would be able to accomplish a successful outcome – but the General Prole doing so, with most plants, will produce mass famine

      Nightowl – you sound like you know what you are doing – and WELL DONE! – but most people have no idea regarding how to grow their own food. This is not the time to learn.

12. Dude, it’s a hoax.

    The corona virus literally is the common cold.

    • It’s a drill or operational simulation aka exercise.

    • The common cold is no joke. Cure that and you largely make medicine redundant.

13. The models used are insanely wrong….
    “When a model’s projections against actual results lie outside of its uncertainty band by more than 300% and all errors are in the same direction that model is worthless at best — or an intentional fraud.”
    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=238821