The Origins of White Nationalism

“To rectify the relation that exists between two men, is there no method, then, but that of ending it? The old relation has become unsuitable, obsolete, perhaps unjust; and the remedy is, abolish it; let there henceforth be no relation at all. From the ‘sacrament of marriage’ downwards, human beings used to be manifoldly related one to another, and each to all; and there was no relation among human beings, just or unjust, that had not its grievances and its difficulties, its necessities on both sides to bear and forbear. But henceforth, be it known, we have changed all that by favor of Heaven; the ‘voluntary principle’ has come up, which will itself do the business for us; and now let a new sacrament, that of Divorce, which we call emancipation, and spout of on our platforms, be universally the order of the day!Have men considered whither all this is tending, and what it certainly enough betokens? Cut every human relation that has any where grown uneasy sheer asunder; reduce whatsoever was compulsory to voluntary, whatsoever was permanent among us to the condition of the nomadic; in other words, LOOSEN BY ASSIDUOUS WEDGES, in every joint, the whole fabrice of social existence, stone from stone, till at last, all lie now quite loose enough, it can, as we already see in most countries, be overset by sudden outburst of revolutionary rage; and lying as mere mountains of anarchic rubbish, solicit you to sing Fraternity, &c. over it, and rejoice in the now remarkable era of human progress we have arrived at.”

— Thomas Carlyle

Here is a rough summary of my POV:

White identity used to be a key pillar of American identity. It was part of a greater package which once included Anglo-Saxon culture, the Protestant religion and the republican form of government. Originally, there was no conflict between “civic nationalism” and “racial nationalism” because to be an American meant being a White Anglo-Protestant with liberal and republican political principles.

Liberalism was also once another facet of American identity. The American Revolution was justified on the basis of an appeal to natural rights (life, liberty and property) which were being threatened by the British Crown. The Bill of Rights severely restricted the power of the federal government while reserving vast powers to the states under the Tenth Amendment. Federalism was another facet of American identity. The Founders considered political power a problem and a menace to liberty which is why they divided power between the three branches of the federal government and between the states and federal government. The “classical liberalism” of the Founding operated at the federal level. It restricted the power of the federal government and functioned to smooth over cultural differences between the states and to prevent one section from dominating and threatening the liberty of other sections.

At the state level, which was not protected by the Bill of Rights and which only restricted the power of Congress, there used to be established state churches. Slaves, of course, were forbidden to own firearms, drink intoxicating liquors or to travel without the permission of their masters. The states defined their own citizens who were citizens of the United States by extension and controlled voting rights. The Free Press was even restricted. Southern states censored the mail and refused to distribute abolitionist pamphlets. There was no such thing as civil equality, political equality and especially social equality at the state level. Insofar as equality existed at all in the American system of government, it only existed between the sovereign states in the U.S. Senate. South Carolina was the equal of New York, but the people in South Carolina were not equals and did not have anything close to the same rights.

Over the course of 230 years, the liberal element of American identity has gradually expanded at the expense of the other original elements. This process greatly accelerated in the wake of the Great Depression and World War II in which modern liberals emerged triumphant at the apex of the New Deal coalition. White identity was declared “racist” and was orphaned and read out of American identity by the ascendant liberal establishment. Liberals discovered that something called “racism” existed and was the worst thing in the world in the struggle against Hitler’s Germany. They were already moving in this direction in the wake of World War I, but it was the context of the Great Depression and World War II that gave them the political and cultural power to impose this view on the nation at large.

In between the 1970s and 2000s, the liberal establishment under the influence of modernism, which is an anti-traditional cultural sensibility that romanticizes self-expression, began to unload other aspects of American identity. Anglo-Saxon culture was dumped in favor of multiculturalism. Christianity was also cast off in favor of secularism. Protestantism had been dumped in favor of Christianity and “Judeo-Christianity” in the JFK era. Ecumenicism was a major fad among liberal elites in the mid-20th century.

In this Dark Age between the triumph of the Civil Rights Movement and the rise of the internet, defeated and despairing White Americans who had been pushed to the political fringe took an orphaned fragment of American identity and rebranded themselves as White Nationalists. They tried to create a viable political movement on the basis of nothing but White identity. It is worth contrasting what they are trying to do with the 1920s era Klan. The Second Klan was a Protestant movement which was deeply invested in cultural and moral issues like supporting Prohibition. They marched around with American flags. White identity was part of what the Klan believed, but it wasn’t by any means the only thing. The Klan saw itself as defending America. They were super Americans. In contrast, White Nationalists are motivated by the dream of a nebulous, abstract “White ethnostate.” They can’t even tell you where it is.

The liberal establishment is now in the process of dumping republicanism in much the same way that it dumped White identity, Anglo-Saxon culture, Protestantism and Christianity in the late 20th century. The New York Times recently ran an Op-Ed from two Harvard and Yale law professors who want to get rid of the Constitution. It is now commonplace to hear calls from liberals to abolish the Senate, abolish the Electoral College, to pack the Senate with new states, to pack the Supreme Court with new judges, to repeal the Bill of Rights and especially the Second Amendment in order to increase the political power of liberal elites who live on the coasts. These people now support toppling statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Theodore Roosevelt and other heroes and republican icons from the irredeemable racist past. Presumably, they believe the country will remain united by nothing but pure liberalism.

As our liberal elites sail off into the bold, new progressive future, they leave behind millions of alienated people in flyover country who refuse to join them on this voyage. Some of these people are angry because they want to live in a White country and pass that on to their descendants. Some of these people are angry because they no longer see Christianity reflected in “mainstream” culture. Some of these people have no interest in living under a regime which is no longer shackled by the Constitution. Fundamentally, all of these disparate groups are reacting to the same thing though, which is that the liberal establishment has created a massive national identity crisis by severing every thread of social cohesion. It has done this because it has no use for tradition and values change and novelty seeking for its own sake.

They have just kind of assumed that this will work. Conservatives will knuckle under and go along with it as they always do. The “arc of history” bends toward progress. It seemed to be working for a long time, but they have pushed too hard and too fast and have created too much social instability. You could say their little ship sailed over the horizon and got lost and separated from the rest of America.

We’re now in the process of finding out whether a nation that doesn’t share a common race, ethnicity, religion, culture, morality, myths, heroes or even an ideology can remain united. That’s how I look at White Nationalism. It is part of a larger story of how liberal elites have been deconstructing American identity over the past century. Imagine a F-5 tornado hitting a barn in Kansas and finding the door of the barn over here and part of the wall a few miles down the road and the roof of the barn over there. Various groups are trying to reconstruct the barn based on fragments. Meanwhile, there are people who are celebrating the destruction of the barn to its foundations as the dawn of a glorious new era of progress.


  1. The 20s klan only was “the klan” because people got that idea from the movies…Birth of a Nation to be particular. Had that movie never come out anglo protestant America would have taken some other motif in their resistance to the demographic and cultural changes then being imposed on them by the modernist elites. This culminated in the immigration act of 1924, but it turned out to be too late.

    • It’s the 20’s Klan that freaked the shit out of Shlomo. We would probably bately know about the original otherwise.

      • Schlomo was even funding some KKK in the 1920s, at least in certain sections of the country. Chiefly because of the negro problem, also because he wanted to hamstring Catholics – who tended to stick closer together than other whites.

    • I don’t buy this 1st and 2nd Klan business, because the Klan was a Confederate veterans organization, and when the last large numbers of Confederate vets died in the early1930’s so did the Klan. After that the so-called “Klan” was wannabe historical re-enactors.

  2. I understand your perspective. Perhaps the workplace infographic that lists specific traits as “ingrained in whiteness” (punctuality, precision, discussion, etc.) could serve as a starting point for white nationalists; perhaps they could even formalize a list of “white beliefs” and publish them, though Heaven forbid the optics backlash should they draw out of the lines they made. Or, perhaps, white nationalism doesn’t want to believe in anything -but- skin color, since that means they need not put in any effort towards their theoretical systems…?

    • White Nationalism is not about skin colour, it is about the human rights of a people to be sustainable and self-ruling. i.e. to retain their fundamental human group rights.

      The plight of Whites and what White Nationalism is, is no different to Uighur Nationalism, or Tibetan Nationalism.

      The right of a people to retain the space that was theirs, and their independence, and the ability to fully express their culture and beings within it, WITHOUT mediation by masses of foreign (racial, cultural, religious) others, which would naturally obliviate the process.

    • @Hugh It’s way too late for that. In another 20 years, whites will be a small minority. Millions of nonwhites are coming in every single year, and they reproduce at high rates, and they don’t even have to pay to raise their kids. One day, a lot of the mindless will wake up and realize they are surrounded by nonwhites, and their country isn’t theirs anymore.

      • The Amish and Mennonites are the only White groups with growing populations in this country. As dedicated pacifists, I wonder how they will fare in Brazil Norte. They will have to hope and pray that the orcs stay away from their areas.

  3. “…White Nationalists are motivated by the dream of a nebulous, abstract “White ethnostate.” They can’t even tell you where it is.”

    There isn’t any all white areas anymore. The only thing segregating anyone is money. The more money you have, the more of an all-white neighborhood you can get into.

    The problem is the laws. The anti-discrimination laws have shackled whites. Unless the laws are changed, America will cease to be what it was founded on.

    • “The only thing segregating anyone is money. The more money you have, the more of an all-white neighborhood you can get into.”

      ECACTLY !
      Effectively, money lets you buy WHITENESS.

      • It might keep most nonwhites out. The ones who get in are well-to-do and know not to destroy that.
        There’s far too many whites telling their kids NOT to go to college. They tell them that “the trades are good enough!” and urge them to become plumbers and carpenters. They tell them not to go to college, because most colleges are so liberal. But the sciences are not as messed up as the humanities and liberal arts colleges in a university.
        Nothing wrong with those jobs, but whites always held the top tier jobs in science, law, and medicine. The Left would love nothing better, than to have a zillion job openings in engineering, medicine, and law, so they can put more nonwhites in.
        Having a well-paying job is survival, so one can live away from the nonwhites, and have some safety. It’s not everything, but it’s better than struggling.

        • ” the sciences are not as messed up as the humanities and liberal arts ?

          They are polluting them, as well, with many ‘requirements’ to be ‘inclusive’.

        • The problem is, America is no longer a country, but due to massive immigration of POC, we now have an internal empire. After listening to most of you here for a bit, I’ve come to the conclusion Whites in America are basically finished. The vast majority will moan and complain but won’t do a dam thing.

          In truth, no one really wants a revolution (political, cultural or the old fashioned violent type) because then people would have to get up and actually do unpleasant tasks. That is why revolutionaries (of any type) are despised and ridiculed.

          I really don’t know what most people expect. I still get this impression that people think they’ll hold a few bake sales/church socials, scold the “evil doers” and all will be right with the world. Politicians will fall into line, anti-whiteness will melt away, POC will self deport and rainbows will dot the skyline.

          Apparently the average White doesn’t care if their children live in a hellscape or not. As long as the beer the cold, the games are on TV and the internet is online all is right with the world.

          • I agree. We are done. This is too far gone. Most whites are unaware of how pernicious the infiltration by nonwhites is. The Left is literally taxing our earnings and giving the money to them.
            There’s too many people who have it good. They don’t even want to see it, but it’s so far gone right now.

      • Because it’s always been a class and money issue not a “race” issue. Problem is most of y’all are too ignorant to get it.

        • Today, ‘class’ is practically synonymous with SES (socioeconomic status), and SES is highly correlated with IQ — so ‘class’ is also predominantly a race issue, since IQ is a race issue.

          • IQ is not a “race issue”. A persons does not determine their functional intelligence. The majority of poor and working class Whites I encounter are not intelligent. Likewise I have met many intelligent blacks, and other peoples. You just want to say White = high IQ, non-White= low IQ, and the facts simply don’t match your conclusions. Get out of a cave and go live in the REAL world for a change.

    • White Nationalists would have their homelands in South Africa, Germany, et cetera, had not the English (i.e., Jutes Normans, Angles, and Saxons) not acted at the behest of international jewry in furthering the Kalergi Plan in White homelands.

      The 1920s Kluless Klux Klowns were janissaries for judeo-Anglo ZOG 1.0. To this day, the klan harbor anti-NS sentiments.

      More and more. I am becoming convinced that a Second Dixie will need to be quarantined like “Shutter Island.” Until then, obese Neo-Confederates can larp as their heroes in Civil War recreations.

      • The Boers in South Africa – even when independent from the British Empire after the Great Trek, in the Transvaal and Orange Free State – lived in close proximity to black tribes and had lots of African or Coloured servants.

  4. Aside from the obvious Feds, Jews, and Dupes who populate your movement, your main problem is your intellectual vanguard, who are garden variety ideological cranks, a very American type. Back in the Second Klan days they would have been trolling each other over their favorite interpretations of Bible verses and the latest opinion in the one and only monthly newspaper they got to read. Now it’s freshman year Hitler fetishism and 4chan jokes.

    Actual politics is making deals among real people. There exists tribes, factions, and cultures of white people in America and an actual White Nationalism would not be some ideology, but instead a set of agreed upon agendas.

    But the point of your movement is to work with the SPLC to become “hate celebrities” by getting on TV and saying the most unpopular slogans. The entire purpose of your movement is “bad optics.” Just because you play the heel doesn’t mean you aren’t part of the circus – you play the clown.

      • Yeah good luck, why would any of them want anything to do with your movement? There are legitimate community theater troupes if you’re into that sort of thing.

        You can’t be a public performer and demand people not laugh, especially if you’re wearing funny costumes and chanting silly slogans.

    • I don’t know wtf you really expect. Your beloved normies have been asleep at the wheel for over 50 years and are only now starting to look around. If the elites sing them a little lullaby they’ll doze off again and die in their sleep.

      I’m always curious how you think Whites are going to save themselves. Cut a deal with people who want us eliminated? Not gonna happen. So what’s the plan? Vote harder? Pray harder? Bake sales? What exactly? I’m serious here. People bitch a lot but have no damn idea or plan of their own. The griping about the movement is utterly useless if you don’t have some concept of what to do instead. Standing around and expecting Providence to swoop in and save us isn’t a plan. Well, maybe a plan for disaster.

      Need I remind you that the BUGSters got the “anti-white” moniker to go mainstream, and we wouldn’t even have that small victory if it weren’t for them. So, movement types haven’t all been useless. Bob Whitaker had decades of political experience and people actually act surprised when things he suggested worked. People with zero real world political experience used to give The BUGSters crap all the time. ( I haven’t forgotten all the bitching and moaning.) I’ve come to the impression that different groups of Whites would rather we all be exterminated if we can’t be saved by their preferred method.

  5. Hmm, why did privileged white people vote for anti-White discrimination with the passage of the Civil Rights Act?

  6. White identity was declared “racist” and was orphaned and read out of American identity by the ascendant liberal establishment. Liberals discovered that something called “racism” existed and was the worst thing in the world in the struggle against Hitler’s Germany. They were already moving in this direction in the wake of World War I, but it was the context of the Great Depression and World War II that gave them the political and cultural power to impose this view on the nation at large.


    The non-Whites and probably most Whites don’t believe Whites are superior and it is not a sin to conclude something is better than something else. (The Bible says that we are to “prove all things” and if Whites prove to be better than other races then that’s the answer whether it is politically correct or not.) The put-down “White Supremacy” is just a racial “slur” used to attack white people for political gain.

    White Supremacy = White Nationalism = White Identity = White Unity


    Each race/ethnic group needs to protect its own. The Whites need to quit letting other races bully them into not standing up for their own racial interests. There is no such sin as racism. Name all the non-Whites and non-White institutions that have ever been charged with this make believe “sin” of racism. How many hate crimes have been charged against non-Whites compared to Whites?




    Secede now!

    May God Save the South!

    • White supremacy is a system by which White men and women founded and built these US, the one-time most powerful and successful country ever to have existed. But today’s negative meaning attached to the term, “White supremacy”, has been created by the real racial supremacists, meaning their aim is to enslave all peoples not of their tribe, the jews, for the purpose of taking our homelands away from us, from we, the very people who made them great. The fact of the matter is that Whites, whether they prefer the term White Nationalist or White supremacist, have absolutely no desire to rule over other races.

      The term, “White Supremacy” wasn’t always a negative term. The definition has been altered to accomodate the anti-white climate jews have created to promote hatred for Whites. Over recent decades, the term, ‘White Supremacy’ has been twisted to mean that Whites seek to rule over other races. Of course, that’s obviously a lie. As any White person can see and know in their hearts, Whites seek only freedom and a safe homeland for their families.

      When the term, White Supremacy, was originally created, it merely referred to the supremacy of White values, which were based on both moral, and Christian values. For example, values such as, the rule of law, justice, honor, loyalty to Race and Nation, respect for moral authorities and elders, social order, honesty — keeping to your word, self-sacrifice, responsibility, courage, doing your best, monogamy, marriage between men and woman, such things as supporting the US Constitution, free speech for all — even those we disagree with, ensuring the constitutionally protected right to bear arms and that a high moral standard is kept in order to inspire all races to follow that high moral standard.

      People who believe in White supremacy hold traditional views about race, sex and gender. These views are not only traditional, national and ethnic, they are also true, factual, scientific, biological, natural and universal. The embrace of reason, logic, and the scientific method. In addition, as racially aware White supremacists, we understand there is no such thing as equality; we are anti-feminist, anti-immigration and we hold traditional views on sex. We believe homosexuals and trans-sexuals should be treated as mentally ill or criminal. We believe in racial separation. We believe that both Christian and traditional European values should be taught in school. We believe that an economy should serve the people’s interests before the interests of multinational corporations and third-world countries.Those who attempt to smear White supremacy obviously do not hold these values.

      These values are what the true definition of White Supremacy is. Today these ideals have been cast aside and replaced with degeneracy, egoism, and greed. All that is beautiful and healthy has been distorted into the ugly and noxious. Decadence in society knows no boundaries. It is plain to see that the nonwhite races find these high moral values which are common among White men, repugnant to them. But, of course, White supremacy is not about the subjugation of other races as the prime instigators of racial animosity would have you believe. If we want to find a race that is interested in, and in fact is, and has been, openly manipulating and subjugating all other races, we LOOK TO THE JEWS!

      • If the Jews were made to confess whether they believed that there was no difference between Jews and Gentiles, and asked if they the Jews should universally accept race mixing so that the Jewish race would become extinct (become known as the Great Replacement has finally come home to roost) turned into a mixed-race multitude, just maybe the Jew-controlled media hordes would quit coming after Whites for their supposed “sins” of racism.

        Nehemiah 13: (KJV)
        23) In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab:
        24) And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews’ language, but according to the language of each people.
        25) And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves.
        26) Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin.
        27) Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?
        28) And one of the sons of Joiada, the son of Eliashib the high priest, was son in law to Sanballat the Horonite: therefore I chased him from me.
        29) Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, and the covenant of the priesthood, and of the Levites.
        30) Thus cleansed I them from all strangers, and appointed the wards of the priests and the Levites, every one in his business;
        31) And for the wood offering, at times appointed, and for the firstfruits. Remember me, O my God, for good.

        Why can’t Whites remain Whites? Someone please answer that.

        • At the end of the day, it is because a large number of whites have bought into a lie and actively work with Jews and the multitude of non-white allies to exterminate themselves. It’s almost as if there is a magic spell cast upon them which prevents them from seeing what its happening before their lying eyes.

        • Beccause jews are destroyers; they thrive on hatred, anger and terror, they need it to fulfill their racial destiny and genetics. These are the emotions programmed into the jew for thousands of years by their vicious, bloodthirsty god of hate and terror on which they base their “Jewishness”. These are the emotions that define the jew, the emotions from which the very fabric of their culture is woven.

          If it doesn’t hate, if it doesn’t murder, if it doesn’t destroy, if it doesn’t prey upon the innocent, then it is no longer jewish. A jew without hate is toothless. A jew without terror is powerless. They know this. Jews know if they ever lose their bloodthirsty hatred for other races, as a race, they are finished.

          Will the stupid White goyim never learn? Jews depend on goyim gullibility and stupidity. They are dependent on the goyim’s need to forgive and forget. With jews, let bygones be bygone and by god you’ll be gone. Want to cure the immense problems facing your country? Get rid of the JEW!

          • Always plotting. Always talking about antisemitism. Always.
            Most whites will never wake up. This whole Christian Nationalism thing is an op from them. Just corral Christians into zionism.

  7. Republicanism has meant different things to different writers and thinkers throughout history.
    To me, republicanism means mixed government.
    A republic is not a democracy, oligarchy or autocracy, but a combination of all 3, a representative democracy.
    It divides government into three branches, executive, legislative and judicial.
    It’s got a constitution with some inalienable rights, freedoms (and duties) that can only be amended by supermajority consensus in the legislative branch.
    It’s a federation as opposed to a unitary state, where so long as states adhere to the constitution, they’re free to govern themselves as they please.

    The more of these features a government has, the more republican it is.
    Republics tend to be stable and slow to change.
    The whole idea behind a republic is to prevent one individual, group or entity from completely dominating the others and the nation as a whole.
    The Roman republic was able to conquer the Mediterranean in large part because of how stable and balanced its government was, tho this stability could not be sustained for more than 5 centuries.

    In a direct democracy people could vote for whatever they want.
    In an electocracy, the people would elect an administration given absolute power, they could impose liberalism, progressivism, conservatism, communism, any ideology or set of whims on the people without check or balance.

    To me, mainstream progressives have abandoned republicanism.
    They would like to do that, criminalize conservatism and impose a totalitarian form of progressivism on everyone.
    By contrast mainstream conservatives haven’t completely abandoned republicanism/constitutionalism, which perhaps more than anything else, is the west’s core principle, not progressivism, liberalism or even conservatism, but first and foremost republicanism.

    One side appears to have done away with this core principle, hence all the unconstitutional rulings, the Antifa/BLM insurrection, tearing down monuments of the founders and so on down the line.
    Without republicanism we would have electocracy quickly followed by dictatorship, which’s what the mainstream left wants, a progressive dictatorship.
    They’ve made it clear they want a great reset, to completely scrap our nation states and start over from the beginning, where a global technocracy decides who is sane and insane, what is moral, immoral, legal and illegal, where there’s no room for dissent, political dissent being deemed a form of insanity you need to be locked up for.

  8. Brad said that he hadn’t much familiarity with Dugin. I think if he has a look at Dugin’s work he’ll find a lot in common with his own criticism and opposition to liberal modernity and its primacy of the expressive individual. Here is a sample taken from his Facebook originally:

    “I consider the “White nationalists” allies when they refuse modernity, the global oligarchy and liberal-capitalism, in other words everything that is killing all ethnic cultures and traditions. The modern political order is essentially globalist and based entirely on the primacy of individual identity in opposition to community. It is the worst order that has ever existed and it should be totally destroyed. When “White nationalists” reaffirm Tradition and the ancient culture of the European peoples, they are right. But when they attack immigrants, Muslims or the nationalists of other countries based on historical conflicts; or when they defend the United States, Atlanticism, liberalism or modernity; or when they consider the White race (the one which produced modernity in its essential features) as being the highest and other races as inferior, I disagree with them completely.

    More than this, I can’t defend Whites when they are in opposition to non-Whites because, being White and Indo-European myself, I recognize the differences of other ethnic groups as being a natural thing, and do not believe in any hierarchy among peoples, because there is not and cannot be any common, universal measure by which to measure and compare the various forms of ethnic societies or their value systems. I am proud to be Russian exactly as Americans, Africans, Arabs or Chinese are proud to be what they are. It is our right and our dignity to affirm our identity, not in opposition to each other but such as it is: without resentment against others or feelings of self-pity.

    I can’t defend the concept of the nation, because the idea of the “nation” is a bourgeois concept concocted as a part of modernity in order to destroy traditional societies (empires) and religions, and to replace them with artificial pseudo-communities based on the notion of individualism. All of that is wrong. The concept of the nation is now being destroyed by the same forces that created it, back during the first stage of modernity. The nations have already fulfilled their mission of destroying any organic and spiritual identity, and now the capitalists are liquidating the instrument they used to achieve this in favor of direct globalization. We need to attack capitalism as the absolute enemy which was responsible for the creation of the nation as a simulacrum of traditional society, and which was also responsible for its destruction. The reasons behind the present catastrophe lie deep in the ideological and philosophical basis of the modern world. In the beginning, modernity was White and national; in the end, it has become global. So White nationalists need to choose which camp they want to be in: that of Tradition, which includes their own Indo-European tradition, or that of modernity. Atlanticism, liberalism, and individualism are all forms of absolute evil for the Indo-European identity, since they are incompatible with it.”

    • I agree 100% with Dugin. Dugin also says that race is a modern social construct. There is no such thing as a “White” race or a “Black” race. Period.

    • Thanks for this bit of effete, pseudo-intellectual blah blah; or maybe I should thank Dugin, since you’re just the copy & paste messenger.

      However it’s a simple fact that the world is tribal: it always has been, and always will be — so the question for white people and the lands they inhabit is the same as for all other peoples of the world: rule or be ruled.

      Why did Indians want to kick the British out of India? — so they would no longer be ruled by the white man.

      Why did the Chinese insist on sovereignty over Hong Kong? — because they did not want what they saw as Chinese territory to be ruled by Whites.

      Why did Blacks want an end to apartheid? — so they could control the civilization and economic capital created by Whites, and not be ruled by Whites in South Africa.

      In contrast, Whites are surrendering their lands and the hard-won civilizations bequeathed to them by their forebears to invading racial aliens.

      Only a faggot would attempt to wordily justify or explain that as anything other than the worst kind of cowardice and treachery — a disturbing tribal collapse, one unprecedented in human history.

      • >… the world is tribal: it always has been, and always will be …

        It appears Whites will discover this, and many other things, the hard way (even more unfortunately, so will their children, as they realize they are becoming, or already are, a disliked minority in what used to be their own country):

        A Surprise for Americans Who Move to Mexico

        Guess what the ‘surprise’ is? — yeah, Mexicans don’t like gringos and don’t want them coming to Mexico — they aren’t welcome — big ‘surprise’, right?

        The highlight is a link to a column in the LAT written by ‘the child of two Mexican immigrants, one of whom came to this country in the trunk of a Chevy’, where he relates an incident he observed in Mexico years ago between an American and some locals, and during which, speaking to the American, he ‘asked in English what he was doing so far from the United States’.

        • I’ve seen some news reports regarding this. Fuck the Mexicans. They turn huge chucks of American into third world barrios while sending huge sums of money back to Mexico. Not to mention all the money the cartels siphon out of America. Mexico has built itself up mainly on the backs of White working class people (directly and indirectly.) If America threw all the Mexicans out and sealed the borders their country would implode in months, maybe weeks.

        • @eah yes humans are Tribal which is why we group up into “Tribes” NOT “races”. “White” is NOT a Tribe which is why “Whites” won’t ever unite across the board without tribal considerations like language, nation, culture, morals, and religion. This is why “Whiteness” is a social construct it’s not a real category like tribes and ethnicities are, nor is it a unifying category for humans.

      • >rule or be ruled

        The physical elimination phase of diversity continues:

        Removal of Columbus statues could be permanent

        The Chicago Monuments Committee released its long-awaited report Friday recommending the permanent removal of the three Columbus statues and 10 other problematic monuments.

        Wait, let me guess: most if not all of the ’10 other problematic monuments’ depict either Whites or are deemed to be unflattering representations (‘stereotypes’) of groups allegedly victimized by Whites (and what group wasn’t victimized by Whites?).

        Now back to the esoteric discussion of the ‘origins of White Nationalism’.

    • Not that familiar with Dugin so this is an interesting statement from him. It’s an error to say he’s anti-white in the sense that Noel Ignatiev, Tim Wise, 90% or more of Jews, 90% or more of blacks, and Church of Woke believers are. It’s a very nuanced argument. Here’s a flaw in his reasoning:

      “But when they attack immigrants, Muslims or the nationalists of other countries based on historical conflicts; or when they defend the United States, Atlanticism, liberalism or modernity; or when they consider the White race (the one which produced modernity in its essential features) as being the highest and other races as inferior, I disagree with them completely.”

      1. Few since 1965 are here as a result of ‘historical conflicts’ – itself a needlessly vague term. Simply put, the vast majority of them have no business being here (or in Europe).

      2. I’ve not really seen much defense of Atlanticism (globalism), liberalism or modernity from WNs. He’s conflating several things here. The so-called “conservatives”, the believers in the Judeo-Christ Satanic skinsuit, the grifters and opportunists like Grindr-Greg, Zion-Don, Spencer, et al do indeed endorse such crap, but no WNs worthy of the name.

      3. WNs have often boasted of white superiority. This is a fair criticism to a point. Whites have done great things it’s true. They’ve also been party to crimes, especially their elites. For example, Colonialism did not benefit the average white in the UK from the 1700s until the dissolution of the British Empire in the 1950s. It’s main beneficiaries were the (((City of London))) and their accomplices. Most Indians don’t view the Raj era with any fondness for good reason. Poor farmers were forced to grow opium and go into debt to the (((East India Co.))) so the (((Sassoons))) – the “Rothschilds of the East” – could get millions of Chinese hooked on opium, using the British military to keep the dope market wide open there. Sound familiar? Big Pharma and the Sacklers used the US military to keep an opium factory under their control for 20 long years.

      4. Other races and cultures are not saints either. While a number have real achievements as well, there’s no lack of savagery and wickedness or corruption there either.

      Dugin doesn’t want to exterminate white people in America or Europe. Mostly it appears he wants them to start thinking outside the little box they’ve taught to think in – at least on the basis of one statement. That said, his ideas have been rambling and inconsistent over time. 10-15 years ago he was a type of globalist, which attracted the attention of Richard Spencer – who thinks the EUSSR is a great idea. (No, it’s pure Kalergian evil).

      • Very good comment, Cyclops. I agree.

        Have you looked into the late Russian national socialist intellectual, Ivan Ilyin? Ilyin has been a much greater influence on Putin, who quotes Ilyin and had his remains moved back to Russia and consecrated his grave.

        • Have not but will be looking into him. The Austrian painter and world-famous vegetarian didn’t invent National Socialism, regardless of what his fanbois might say. Not very interested in re-hashing failures either.

      • In the very near future in the USA, the label “White” will itself become anti-White, as we now have millions of mixed race Latinx, hapas, and others in the USA who identify as White or whose mixed race offspring will identify as White. You can see this with Pedro Gonzalez. He doesn’t identify as White, but he expects that his mixed race children will, which is part of the reason why he has been anti-anti-White. So the label has already ceased to serve its function of distinguishing and maintaining separation between people of European and people of non-European descent. In a few generations, the majority of people labelling themselves “White” in the USA will probably be Latinx indians, octoroons, and so on, not European people.

      • Only a midwit would feel the need to analyze the text to look for ‘flaws’ in Dugin’s ‘reasoning’, when it’s so obvious that the phenomenon of the conquest of the West by racial aliens today is something that happened to a people in the past only after they lost a war (there’s a tribal reason for that).

        By the way, have you come across any white people on fire lately, and tossed gasoline on them (link) to send them to their ‘eternal reward’?

        • So you think white BLM and Antifa are your friends? You think they will do any less to you when they get the first opportunity to do so? Look no further than the white FBI agents at Ruby Ridge and Waco is you are under some sort of delusion that all whites are somehow less of an enemy than Jews, Negroes and others. You also seem strangely clueless that there is a one-sided war being waged against whites – largely by other whites, despite some comments where you do seem aware of the extermination plan.

          You’re sore over the fact that I flatly stated any white teacher in the Minneapolis SD losing their job indoctrinating any whites to hate themselves is a good thing. Those in MSD are such irredeemable shitlibs a number even dragged their students to BLM parades in Minneapolis. Maybe there are some there who didn’t go that far into full-blown anti-white hatred. Yes my linked statement was too harsh because I failed to account for such possible cases. I do apologize for letting my wrath get the better of me. That said, we’re in a war and giving your enemy a break usually gets you killed.

          • I’m not ‘sore’ about anything — but you did say that, and it is something that only a nutjob would say.

            Not to mention the fact that of course you won’t do shit.

          • You will note that I did admit I was wrong to write it. I regret giving into a bad temper that way. I was viewing a picture of a BLM riot in Minneapolis in which MSD teachers were there with their students, including white teachers leading white students. I expressed my genuine wrath at the sight of their sheer evil and stupidity. Those teachers absolutely deserve to lose their jobs to diversity. They are certainly our enemies. I don’t see how even a genius like yourself could miss these obvious facts. Perfect example of why no sane white parent should ever send their kids to public school – it’s enemy territory. You seem to think it’s unfortunate they’ll lose their jobs. It’s not. Indeed it’s one of the very few things that could change their minds.

            By the way, smart guy, tossing gasoline on an enemy covered with third-degree burns would lead to a faster demise than the usual weeks of painful death from sepsis (infection). It actually would be more merciful in a war situation, though a quick headshot would be best – assuming one had a weapon. Death is nearly always the end result (99%) from such burns. Working in an ER teaches some things. You don’t know what I’d do and I don’t know what you would do and nobody really does until they are actually there. I do note that you’re the one who brought it up again, not me. HW’s blog isn’t a forum for personal dramas, so let’s just drop it. We don’t even disagree very much on the issues …

  9. To Kerdasi Amaq- “Hmm- Why did privileged whites vote for anti-white discrimination with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?” answer- classism and regionalism- they thought first that it would apply only to those hated white Southerners, and secondly, they calculated that their wealth would insulate them from any adverse effects. The Kennedys, for example, knew that their progeny and those of their friends would not be effected by public school racial integration because their children were predestined to attend tony, expensive private schools like Choate-Rosemary Academy or Phillips Exeter academy, and would live in exclusive expensive enclaves- let them eat cake!

    • That’s one small part of the answer. You explained the Kennedys – who weren’t even the primary supporters of the act. Republicans to this day boast of how they put it over the top over the opposition of Southern Dems in the DR3 appeals to deaf ears. If it had just been rich snooty NE liberals who (even now) can buy their way out of the joys of diversity, the act would never have passed. Other elements were in play. 1964 was just in the wake of the elimination of a Kennedy. Lots of things going on in the era: Vatican II (1965), Hart-Cellar Open Borders Act (1965); Great Society Welfare Expansion (1965); Vietnam War (1965). Watershed year in so many ways. Exactly one century after the republic ended.

      • @Exalted Cyclops,

        Some retardicans wanted to push through a Civil Rights Act during the war criminal Eisenhower’s administration, but they ultimately knew that the nation would not support such legislation on the heels of Brown v Board of Education.

  10. Ala mode- Whites didn’t invent modernism- Jews did! Don’t conflate Whites with Jews-Jews, or more precisely Jewish power and influence, are the the prime movers and shakers behind all liberal change in White nations.Their nostrums, surprisingly enough, are never promoted within the Israeli state.- ever wonder why?

    • I think that’s an error Dugin is making as well. He conflates Jewish ideas and programs with western civilization when they are actually a war upon western civilization – which is basically all but destroyed now in the west itself. A great number of whites, especially the richer ones, have fallen under the spell of the Jews and their ‘mighty wurlitzer megaphone media’. It’s all a lie of course and the rich whites who think they will somehow escape the extermination plans of the Jews are deluding themselves.

      Just look at any BLM march, how many of the faces therein are white? A great number, sometimes even a clear majority. There are some WNs – even here – who seem to be under the delusion that such whites are somehow not really our enemies. On the contrary, they are the very worst type of enemy – the one who so easily moves within our own camp, so to speak. Cicero described it long ago:

      “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But, it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But, the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government, itself.” – Cicero

  11. Whites started coming over from Europe many moons ago and caved out a land and culture for themselves called N. America and settled it, farmed it and had families only to be taken away from us after WW2.

    I know it started earlier but the defeat of Germany set the stage for the civil rights movement and the immigration act that began flooding our land our forefathers caved out. Enter liberalism, progressiveness anti-White hatred, etc. and you have a recipe for disaster as we are seeing today.

  12. John- Jews had it all planned out before WW2. Jimmy Byrnes of South Carolina was elevated to the US Supreme Court by Franklin Roosevelt, but then Roosevelt asked him to step down in order to head up the new board for transforming America’s industrial capacity to wartime production. Byrnes said he would if Roosevelt would make him his vice presidential candidate in 1944. Roosevelt promised that he would, Byrnes, based on this promise , resigned from the Supreme Court and headed up the efforts for transforming American industry for wartime production. Everyone- even his political opponents, marveled at how well he did this – he produced enough to equip America’s armed forces to not only fight a 2 front war(Europe and Japan), but also to provide for the needs of our allies. But the Jews already had the Civil Rights Movement planned by 1944 and Byrnes was a staunch segregationist, so they pressured Roosevelt to renege on his promise and select Harry Truman of Missouri, a known racial integrationist, instead. Just think of how different the fifties would have been if Byrnes had been president instead of Truman from 1945 to 1952, or, alternatively had stayed on the Supreme Court to block racial decisions like Sweat v. Painter, Shelley v. Kramer, and Brown v. Topeka Board. of Education. Byrnes became governor of South Carolina and headed up the “Massive Resistance Movement” to racial integration throughout the South in the 50’s. but without the institutional power he was conned into giving up. Once again , Leo Durocher was proven right, “Nice Guys Finish Last! A pox on Roosevelt and the tribe!

  13. Exalted Cyclops- I wasn’t suggesting that the Kennedy family was the prime mover behind the 64 Civil Rights Act- my intention was to use them as an example of the ‘limousine liberal” cadre in government that supported ‘diversity for thee, but not for me.” They were indicative of politicos throughout the country-there were even a few in the South, but not many back then! Furthermore, Kenasi Arnaq was only inquiring about the 1964 Civil Rights Act, so I limited my reply accordingly.

    • Yes that’s certainly true. My comment wasn’t meant as a criticism of yours but more as an amplification. It’s a really huge topic and we are all only scratching the surface.

  14. Hunter
    Your view of history is off imo.
    The Protestant revolt against Christendom opened Pandora’s box.
    It led to the enlightenment, which morphed into the mess we see today.
    In reality there is no “Protestant” Church. There are 40k different sects that contradict each other , and constantly change their “teachings “ to fit whatever the liberal elites introduce into society.
    The Catholic & Eastern Orthodox Churches kept the Jews out of power , but the Protestants & Liberals ( Enlightenment thinkers) released them onto their people , thinking naïvely that the Jew would become just another citizen. We all see how that worked out.
    The only way European man will be able to defeat the Jews & the traitor liberal whites is the restoration of The Catholic Church.
    Our enemies understand this. Right now they have the hierarchy in their pocket. But this can change very quickly.
    The attack on The Catholic Church has been relentless, especially since Vatican 2 in the 1960s.
    The largest group of “Christians” in the US are fallen away Catholics ! The Jews have been hugely successful. But history has shown that they always over play their hand; they are a very arrogant & prideful people.
    Look at Europe, the only countries that are showing any fight are the Orthodox (Russia) , Catholics ( Poland, Hungary etc.) all the Protestant countries have become militantly atheistic (UK, Scandinavia, Australia, Canada)
    The sad thing about White Nationalism are the Christian haters; they are carrying the water for the Jews without even knowing it.
    The Jews hate Europeans because they hate , above all else Christianity. ( The Catholic & Orthodox Churches) which to them is synonymous with Europe.
    I also think the US right now is a lot better off than Europe. The immigrants coming here are largely “Hispanic” These people come from a Christian civilization. Many of them are from European descent (white) or are mixed & identity as white.
    Yes they are being propagandized to consider themselves a separate & oppressed group, but I don’t think that will stick.

    • @Thumbs
      You wrote: “The sad thing about White Nationalism are the Christian haters..” It is the whole Christian worship of Jews, that WNs dislike. Christians will find no fault with J’s, and they allow them to run our nation. Christians whine and cry that the nation is falling apart, and blame it on lack of prayer in the schools. Meanwhile, the J’s plan the next destabilizing attempt to destroy white lives. “We’re the victims” and “We’re the Chosen” they say.

      You wrote” “The Jews hate Europeans because they hate , above all else Christianity.”
      No and No. Jews hate Europeans because they are WHITE. They use Christianity to manipulate and control whites. J’s are jealous of whites. They want to be us, so bad, they change their names, change their faces, dye their hair, you name it, to look and be us.

      • Pilot
        Yes , I agree , mostly Evangelical Protestants do worship Jews. This is due to their ignorance of scripture & what place , scripture has in the Christian life.
        In the Catholic world, the hierarchy is definitely controlled by Jewish Power & influence.
        Among Traditional Catholics there is an awareness of the Jewish problem & they do not see Jews as “the chosen people” as most Protestants do. I believe the Orthodox are probably the best of the three groups in dealing with the JQ.

        I do disagree with you about why they hate us.
        Most of the Jews here came from Eastern Europe & lived under the Russian Czars or Austrian Hungarian Empire. They hate Christianity with a passion & want to stamp it out.

        • They invented Christianity, to destroy Rome, and it worked. It was Jews who invented it.
          They don’t really hate Christianity, which gives them their power here, which allows them to operate and push their own agendas.
          It’s not about RELIGION, it’s about RACE. They want to be “the white people”.

    • Papists never kept Jews out of power. That’s an absurd claim. Everywhere papists spread their satanic cult, they brought Jews with them. Jew always existed comfortably as a wealthy merchant class throughout papist lands.

    • “The only way European man will be able to defeat the Jews & the traitor liberal whites is the restoration of The Catholic Church. Our enemies understand this”:

      The Catholic Church IS an enemy, one of the worst enemies of mankind, not only of Europeans. When it was in full control of most of Europe, it supported feudalism and monarchy, and later, fascism. It occupied most of the fertile agricultural land in most of Europe, and kept the masses in serfdom, hunger, and ignorance. “Away with these popish idolatries!”:

      There are good Catholic people but the institution as such is a proven disaster I regret to say.

      • “When the Catholic Church was in full control of most of Europe, it supported fascism.”

        That’s a good thing though. Ne fronte rosso, ne reazione!

    • Monastic usury was a real thing, in addition to Jewish usury. There was also much unnatural sexual activity, and regular fornication, among the priests, monks and nuns, which tended to corrupt the morals of the common folk when they were preyed on or learned about it. Furthermore, the Roman Catholic Church was, and potentially still could be a mass murder and terrorist organisation. It directed “holy” crusades against not only Muslims but also European pagans and Christian “heretics” and orthodox (slaughtered the orthodox priests in Wales) for centuries BEFORE the wars of the Reformation began, and against Russia, Serbia, Bosnia, the Byzantines, Syrians, and other Orthodox peoples or nations. Yes there is some fake leftism in RCC today, but whenever it makes a practical difference, the “church” stops posturing and sides with the elites.

    • Saying that They “will fight for Christian nationalism” now means “They” need the Christian nationalists among the U.S. population to fight for Them – to support and to serve in the Anglo-Zionist global imperialist war machine – just like the Uniated (Roman Catholicised) “Christian” nationalist Banderites are fighting so obediently for Them now in Khazarkraine. This is why we need real socialism.

      • Yes indeed. A face only the Joker would trust. If that woman was a real convert she should shut up and go into a convent.

  15. >Where did White Nationalism come from?

    Since, rather obviously, tribalism, what today can be called generally racial nationalism or ethnic nationalism, and in the case of white people specifically White Nationalism, is completely natural, and in fact has been the norm throughout human history, meaning what is happening now is completely unnatural, a better question to ask is ‘Where did it go?’

    Because unique among the peoples of the world, Whites are allowing their lands to be demographically conquered by a literal invasion of racial aliens — what factors are causing Whites to abandon self-interest and surrender not only their lands, but also control of the civilizations created by and bequeathed to them by their forebears, to foreign tribes?

  16. Thanks everyone for your replies.

    However, let say, why did people with this “white privilege” enact legislation which has, essentially, rendered that “privilege” worthless?

    I’d suppose that they knew the would be all dead before they had to live with the full consequences of their enactments. The short-term political gains to them, outweighed the long-term losses to society.

  17. Although, we should be clear that “white privilege” is a bogus concept in evened by the (((controllers))) of the left as a weapon to attack their political enemies.Leftists have to act as if it is real because they will be turned into ex-leftists if they don’t and there’s no political advantage to the cuckservatives to fight it; so, they accept their enemies social construct by default. The reason for this,is, that are really on the same side as the left and perform their roles as heels to perfection to baby faces of the anti-American progressive(communit) liberal movement.

  18. I’d suppose that the Rethuglucans don’t care that the cold civil war that the left is waging against the American Republic doesn’t matter to them as long as its final vict victory comes after they have retired from swill trough that is Vapitol Hill.

  19. November- republicans didn’t just try to push through their version of the Civil Rights Bill of 1964- they did push it through and make it law- the Civil Rights Bill of 1957!

  20. I read all of your article. Nice, but somewhere it needs to have a mention of Jews and Communism squeezed in there, as well as their probable end goal- the extinction of whiteness.
    To me white nationalism just means what it says- white nations, or white self-rule. I do agree that the racial emphasis is too one dimensional. We need a host of practical solutions to broaden the appeal, such as ‘our’ environmentalism where we clean up the oceans and plant more trees, the reigning in of Big Pharma and Big Oil, adjusting the IRS tax code, ending our lopsided support of Israel in the Mideast etc.

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