Over at Counter-Currents, White Nationalists are arguing about whether there should be a single federal White empire that spans the globe or numerous independent racially conscious White ethnostates. Greg Johnson and the ethnonationalists are arguing against imperialism. Asier Abadroa and the unionists have been making the case against petty nationalism.
“This is intended as a response to Dr. Greg Johnson’s essay, “Against Imperialism.” However, it in no way implies that this is the only possible answer, nor does it pretend to speak for all supporters of a single white nation, who cannot be represented by only one author, just as not all ethnonationalists will identify with the same current as the one expressed in Dr. Johnson’s essay.
Although I start from a contrary position, I am convinced that the differences between the two sides are not as insurmountable as it may seem, and that we can consider ourselves one movement rather than two. In fact, I will also specify where there may be a bridge of understanding between the two positions, which is why this type of debate does not have to be divisive.
Before getting into the subject, there are several terms that will be used in this discussion that might be misleading given their various meanings, so it is worth clarifying them.
First, we must categorically reject the term “imperialist” as a designation for someone who wants a single white nation. …
Yet another example would be the United States, where the political unity of various white peoples has long since been achieved, fortuitously and unconsciously. The latter is an additional argument because, if in the United States a united white nation was achieved inadvertently among those from all European backgrounds, long before White Nationalism was formulated as a doctrine, then it can certainly be achieved in a conscious, directed, planned, and peaceful way, especially after having learned from historical experience about mistakes that should not be repeated. …”
I’m obviously in the “racially conscious White ethnonationalism” camp.
The practical effect of merging the United States with, say, Canada would be to strengthen liberalism and pull our politics even further to the Left. Merging the United States and Canada with Australia, New Zealand and the European Union would only create a government even more centralized, powerful, remote and hostile to our interests. It would be a Klaus Schwab globalist nightmare on steroids.
This debate also strikes me as being detached from political and cultural reality:
The real divide in the United States and all Western countries is between White ethnomasochists and White reactionaries or between GoodWhites and BadWhites. White imperialists and White ethnonationalists both fall into the reactionary camp at the far end of the spectrum. Most White reactionaries aren’t even willing to go so far as to embrace ethnonationalism.
The elephant in the room is negative White identity. Millions of Whites are drunk on antiracism and modernism and hate their race and passionately identify with non-Whites. They identify their own cultural and demographic destruction with progress. Unlike White imperialism, White ethnomasochism has a global footprint and significant support from our liberal elites. These people run Canada and the European Union. They are running the United States into the ground now under Joe Biden.
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This, of course, is where I part ways with White Nationalists.
I don’t have a romanticized view of White people. There are White people who have a positive White identity and a negative White identity. Looking at race alone doesn’t tell us much about culture, IDENTITY, ideology, beliefs, values, affinities, loyalties, etc. The anti-Whites are committed to our destruction. It is precisely these things, which are learned and not inherited, that are decisive.
My objection to White unionism is that I don’t want my people to go down with a suicide cult. Those who want to survive and escape from the grips of the cult should be encouraged to do so wherever they live. Arguing over whether there should be a single White empire or multiple ethnostates is a distraction from the central question of what should be done to challenge our anti-White elites.
“By not contemplating these questions, American “ethnonationalism” responds more to (dying) emotional motivations tied to particular personal histories than to rational motives based on genetics, or even culture. It is simply a rehashing of old disunionisms that have done so much harm to our race as a whole, and is an obstacle to white liberation. …
Sorelian myths may serve to convince the masses, but the elite should not be guided by emotional issues — either “the Roman Empire was glorious” or “some of my ancestors came to America in the seventeenth century.” Both of these non sequiturs are wrong on several levels. Nor should we draw boundary lines that are clearly arbitrary.”
This is the central flaw in the whole idea.
The idea that you can base a global superstate solely on biological race and ignore the emotional core at the heart of identity as it exists in the real world is a recipe for disaster. Few things are more important for the survival of any race or tribe or family than affinities and loyalties which are ultimately emotional. These are things which have to be cultivated and ordered toward the survival of the group.
I could go on and on, but this is a major reason why the United States has gone down the drain. Letting anyone in who was White or who could pass as White – people who didn’t necessarily have any emotional commitment or loyalty to their race – led straight to the present disaster.
Note: This is their religion which gives meaning and purpose to their lives. They are telling you what they consider sacred.