Stephen Wolfe: The Rise and Fall of the Evangelical Elite

Stephen Wolfe has an excellent new article on the downfall of elite evangelicalism in Chronicles.

Chronicles Magazine:

I converted to Christ in the year 2000, leaving behind my atheistic contrarianism. I entered American Protestantism completely unaware that something unique was occurring. In the 1980s, Calvinism reemerged as a potent intellectual force in evangelicalism, spearheaded by Baptists John Piper and John MacArthur and Presbyterian R. C. Sproul. In the early 2000s, young Gen X seminary graduates and writers who were influenced by these men became a movement known as the Young, Restless, and Reformed (YRR). New personalities and publishers emerged, and megachurches were formed. Centered on Calvinistic doctrines of salvation, these Baby Boomers and Gen X Calvinists achieved a good deal of theological unity. 

Their cross- and intra-generational unity was most evident in the Together for the Gospel conferences (T4G), which began in 2006 and held every other year. It was organized by four friends, already well-established in their own  circles in the pre-social media days—Mark Dever (Baptist), Ligon Duncan (Presbyterian), Albert Mohler (Baptist), and C.J. Mahaney (Charismatic), along with three invited speakers: Piper, MacArthur, and Sproul. What unified them were belief in biblical inerrancy, male headship of families, and the “five points” of Calvinism, which can be reduced (albeit simplistically) to the traditional Reformed doctrine of predestination. Thus, they were opposed to feminism, modern “critical” biblical scholarship, and the freewill doctrines of Arminianism. The conference grew over the years to include younger pastors such as David Platt (Baptist), Matt Chandler (Baptist), Kevin DeYoung (Presbyterian), Thabiti Anyabwile (Baptist), and others. …

The politics-as-witness model has, however, remained in place among the evangelical elite. With LGBTQ becoming social dogma, elite evangelicals began shifting hard with the culture to focus gender and race. Thus, in 2016 and throughout Trump’s presidency the evangelical elite apparatus relentlessly attacked Trump and his evangelical voters for being insufficently sensitive to cultural prejudice. For example, Christianity Today editor Russell Moore (promoted early on by Al Mohler) wrote an article, “A White Church No More,” for The New York Times, in which he accuses Trump supporters of “nativism” who will be “shocked” to see the “dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking ‘foreigner’” on His heavenly throne. Trump’s supporters are not on the “right side of Jesus,” Moore claimed. Since it appeared in a paper not widely read among average evangelicals, it was clear that Moore wrote the article not for evangelicals but for the secularist elite and his leftward social network.

Dozens of political articles appeared from all corners of evangelical elite outlets, including on the TGC website, reflecting the same theme: only racist, angry, sub-Christians would vote for Trump. Also, a bizarre theme of white deference to racial minorities began appearing. One TGC editor, Brett McCracken, tweeted in November 2016, “White Christians in America must partner with, listen to, defer to nonwhite & nonwestern Christian leaders. We need humility, hope, revival.” …

The first two lines of this deeply resonate with me.

In the early 2000s, I went through a brief New Atheist phase after being raised in a nominal Methodist household. I bought a bunch of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett books. Some of you who have been following me since those days may remember this.

At the time, I was alienated from the Protestantism that I saw blooming around me, which I associated with George W. Bush and televangelists like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, Christian Zionists like John Hagee and megachurch prosperity gospel types like Joel Osteen. I had a shallow understanding of Christianity. It didn’t take long for me to discover though that I was even more viscerally repulsed from the secular humanist progressivism of New Atheism. Whatever I was (a lapsed Southern Protestant from a non-attending family), I knew that I certainly wasn’t that. I would later discover that non-attending Southern Protestants are light years away from atheists in their cultural attitudes and politics.

Gradually, it began to dawn on me that American Protestantism was severely warped by time and place and that what I was reacting to was just a passing phase. The suburban megachurches with bands, bucket seats and jumbotrons, which I found so ridiculous, were catering to a peculiar type of American consumer who is “seeking” a religious experience. The roots of Dispensationalism only go back little more than a century and only developed a mass following among American Boomers. Similarly, the televangelists and radio preachers were just entrepreneurs who seized on the new technologies of the 20th century to build mass audiences. Prosperity gospel types are a throwback to the American Christianity of the 1920s when Jesus Christ was often presented as businessman instead of as a social worker like around the turn of the century. Most people who immigrated to this country came here to get rich. It makes sense that entrepreneurs like Osteen would emerge to cater to this American sensibility.

Once upon a time, Protestantism was hegemonic in American culture. In the 19th century, Protestant ministers like Henry Ward Beecher were major cultural figures. Over the course of the 20th century, however, this changed as Protestantism fractured and was demoted from the dominant culture to a sub-culture. Elite evangelicals are now nothing more than sub-cultural elites who attempt to climb the social ladder by kowtowing before the dominant secular liberal elites who are now above them. The winsome witness of people like Tim Keller was predicated upon this change in relative position. Status seeking is a constant in human behavior. This is why elite evangelicals are always punching Right and parroting the latest fashionable leftwing trends. See every David French column.

Anyway, it is refreshing to see that Stephen Wolfe grasps this. The postwar consensus is not Christianity. American Christianity has been molded to suit the needs of the liberal establishment. The American Protestantism of the last generation is dying as their world collapses.

The sun is setting on these guys and their ilk

In related news, Rod Dreher has reviewed The Boniface Option, which is another hilarious example of the generational change currently roiling American Protestantism.

Rod Dreher:

The Boniface Option is a strange book. I’d say eighty percent of it already appeared in The Benedict Option (I’m certainly not accusing author Andrew Isker of plagiarism; I’m simply saying that the ideas are not new). But this book is just over half as long, and the ideas have been re-imagined here as pugnacious and resentful. If you had ever wondered how The Benedict Option would have been if its author were a late-millennial Calvinist Memelord Of Moscow, Idaho, well, now you have your answer. …

I get all that. These are interesting points. But simply as a matter of rhetorical choice, it is hard to take seriously a book whose author points to the decadent culture around us and sneers, “It’s fake and gay!” The Boniface Option is not a book that tries to win readers over — except for those capable of being insulted and humiliated into capitulation — but rather to rally the already-converted. And men. Isker laments the fact that women gained the right to vote, because it violates his ideal of patriarchy. He implicates women’s suffrage in the outbreak of child transgenderism. It’s that kind of book. …

I don’t say that to criticize, but to observe. If you aren’t Very Online, you will wonder why the word “bugman” keeps popping up, and “globohomo,” as well as other terms and phrases familiar to memelords. …

I can’t emphasize this enough: The Boniface Option is a book for angry young men who enjoy being angry, young, and male. …

Yet it is striking how over and over, Isker exhorts his readers to cultivate hate. Literally, he does this. “The need of the hour is to teach especially Christians to hate the fake and gay globohomo cinematic universe,” he writes. Of the “fake and gay world,” Isker says, “in order for Christendom to return, it is a world you must learn to hate.” And: “You must teach your children to love the things you love and hate the things you hate. You must overcome your aversion to hate.” …

Those are the words of Martin Luther King, Jr., commenting on the command of Our Lord to love those who hate us, and to pray for those who persecute us. Is this the Gospel of Globohomo, according to young Pastor Isker? …

I’m dying here.

Rod is quoting MLK back at Isker. The Boniface Option sounds like BAP, but for White evangelicals with urbanite bugmen having essentially the same fate.

As I was reading this, I kept thinking about what Neil Howe said about generational archetypes. In Rod’s case, you see someone whose instinct is to flee political combat, light a candle and retreat inward to cultivate personal piety. He wrote a whole book about it called The Benedict Option. In stark contrast, Wolfe and Isker are both laser focused on remaking the external world.

In politics, religion and culture, there is a big split between younger and older people on the Right. The world is remaking itself again. It is going to come as a surprise to a lot of people. Just five years ago, I was scolded by a writer at First Things who insisted that the Alt-Right and Christianity are incompatible. White Christian Nationalism has gained major momentum though over the past two years.


  1. What’s not compatible with being an evangelical is believing that Christianity is only for Whites. I suppose you could, in theory, support a Jim Crow like system and support racially segregated Christianity. Meaning you support Black Christians – but in their own churches. But if you’re an evangelical, you believe in Christianity for everyone.

    Christian identity is not evangelical. Traditional Christianity is.

    • Traditional Christianity does not seek to re-build the Tower of Babel. Christianity is for all nations and God hasn’t died and willed some fake-and-gay posseur like Rod Dreher the right to destroy the nations he created when the original attempt at a fucking UN was destroyed.

      Dreher, by the way, doxxed some poor man who was a teacher at some expensive Christian school in Texas which resulted in him losing his job for not genuflecting before the Gospel of Galatians (a fake gospel which is the only one believed by cucks like Dreher). Dreher was just showing his masters that he got his thirty pieces of silver.

      Solzhenitsyn, a genuine Christian, gives us the most excellent account of nationality and identity:

      “The disappearance of nations would impoverish us no less than if all men became alike with one nature and one face. Nations are the wealth of mankind, its collective personalities; the very least of them wears its own special colors and bears within itself a special facet of God’s design.”

      – Alexander Solzhenitsyn
      (casting pearls before unhearing Swedish swine in the 1970s).

      • I was going to quote Cruchy-Con Dreher and his not so subtle allusion to New Geneva College pastor-in-chief, over in Moscow, Idaho……

        But ICEMAN’S utterly incorrect Balderdash stopped me in my tracks. Sorry, Ice, Ice, Baby…. but no. Christianity IS ‘the White Man’s Religion’

        – for Oh, so many reasons; and the VERY thing you think is why you can [fake] call yourself a Christian, is the very thing that EXCLUDES you from same! One-eyed Cyclops is in much the same state, even (faultily) quoting an author as corroboration (!?!?) one of the most ETHNOCENTRIC RACES whose Christianity is so intimately tied to their ETHNOS (Solzhenitsyn and Russia) as to make me laugh! Do you even KNOW a Russian Orthodox, or a Greek Orthodox? Have you never even seen “Big, Fat, Greek Wedding”???? for starters?!?!

        So, let’s start the deconstructing. “believing that Christianity is only for Whites.”
        But it is! Starting with the etymology of the Word, “ADAM” in the Holy Scriptures, you can only claim to be Adamic, if you are ‘fair, ruddy, and ABLE TO VISIBLY BLUSH.’
        That’s what the word ‘Adam’ MEANS, for crying out loud! You cannot dismiss the ENTIRETY of CI, without DEALING with the vast number of published books, tracts, articles, and online sermons they have amassed, over the last 150 years. Sure, some of it is heresy- but it’s usually the ecclesiology, not the Anthropology of it all!

        If non-White are NOT Adamic, then they are NOT INCLUDED in the Family Line of Adam, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob… on down to (Yes) Jesus Christ, who is known as the “LAST ADAM” or the ‘ADAM OF THE TELOS’ (what the Greek has for that phrase). Christ is the ETHNARCH of HIS PEOPLE [ Matt. 1:21] This is nothing unusual, but is the UNWAVERING WITNESS OF THE ENTIRE BIBLE.

        Two witnesses outside of Scripture prove my point:
        African Author Solomon Jegede Enaboakpe- ‘Black Man: Not Descendant of Adam”

        The Shepherd of Hermas, which is found in The Ante-Nicene Fathers, has this to say about negroes. The Great Mysteries in the Building of the Militant and Triumphant Church, Chapter XIX:

        “From the first mountain, which was black, they that believed are the following: apostates and blasphemers against the Lord, and betrayers of the servants of God.

        To these repentance is not open; but death lies before them, and on this account also are they black, for their race is a lawless one.”

        So, unless you are a nigger, (or married to one, and are therefore, BIASED in your belief) you cannot say that first sentence [ Christianity is only for Whites] is false. Because TRUE Christianity is the MOST RACIST SELF-AWARE RELIGION on the planet. Talk to any Ethnic JEW about Judaism (the supposed forerunner faith to Xtianity) and you will see my point! The pretend ‘universalism’ of modern Pseudo-tianity, is due to ROMAN CATHOLIC FILIOQUISM AND UNIVERSAL JURISDICTION, not the praxis of the True Church or YHWH God’s desire!

        Let’s just look at one simple thing. THE ETHNIC MAKEUP OF NOAH AND HIS WIFE, AND SONS; since they were (supposedly) the ‘only hominids on the planet’ after the [sic] “Biblical Flood.” But here’s the deal. Books that show the Flood to be local, generalized, and coterminous with ancient civilizations like Egypt, and China, make NO SENSE to us today, unless you realize that the BIBLE IS, and reports on all Salvatore events, as AN ETHNIC PARTICULARIST BOOK. And if the Biblical race is monogenetic, then the REGIONAL FLOOD IS TRUE, and the GLOBAL FLOOD (and Hamite ICR MOrrisite/Creation [sic] Science BS) is false!
        [cf. Martin and Vaughn, ‘Beyond Creation Science’, Apocalyptic Vision Press, 2007.]

        And if you think it was the hook-nosed, swarthy Edomite bastard Khazarians who are that race, think again. I can give hundreds more examples, but this one should suffice.

        Adam, and his kin (like Noah, and his three sons) were WHITE- and, if THEY were white, THEN ALL THEIR DESCENDANTS (including the BVM and Jesus, the Messiah… of whom? the Aztecs? The Bantus? the Quing Chinese? NO! but only the Messiah of THE HEBREWS)…. is also WHITE- just as all iconography once showed him!

        IF we are willing to look at JEWish Apocryphal writings (since they are the [sic] ‘Chosen People’ right?) well then…..Shem, Ham, and Japheth were WHITE! And if Jews admit that, why can we Caucasian Americans? You know, like we once did, in antebellum times….

        Using the delimiters of Japheth, Shem, and Ham, however, to describe racial groups AS WE KNOW THEM TODAY, is an exercise in willful stupidity!

        Noah and Mrs. Noah were of one racial group- CAUCASOID/ADAMIC.
        Let’s get this straight, first. Even jewish apocryphal writings confirm this.

        “Jewish Apocryphal legend represents Noah at his birth as having a body white like snow, hair white as wool, and eyes like sunbeams.”
        “Lamech, frightened at this sight, went to consult Methuselah, telling him that his grandchild resembled an angel more than a child….’.

        The Book of Noah 106: “…And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful…”

        [BLOND hair in full sun appears as white, and the sunbeams come from a sky of BLUE.]

        Abraham, likewise was WHITE, since he was cousin to Sarah!

        Description of Abraham’s wife Sarah from the Dead Sea Scrolls:
        “…Her skin was pure white…”
        Description of Sarah from the Genesis Apocryphon:?“…How fair are her breasts and how beautiful all her whiteness!…”

        Their three sons, therefore, were ALL WHITE- as WHITE AS A NORDIC.

        Arabs are NOT White. Jews admit THEY are not ‘white.’ Oh, some have interbred WITH Whites, but that don’t make them U.S.

        The Jews are nothing but a) Edomites, and via that miscegenation, also b) Turkic Khazars, from the conversion to TALMUDISM of the Khazars, in the @ 8th century. THEY ARE JUST NOT U.S.

        Let’s keep our definitions correct, shall we?

        But this one fact alone, should dismiss your premise, ICE, completely. The CI are right about this one, waaaaay more than Hawkins, Gould, Asimov, or any other effing Jewish writer trying to hide the racial nature of YHWH GOd’s Creation of the “Adam of God.”

        And all the rest… are just ‘vessels fit for destruction.’ As we once thought them to be.

  2. I find it amusing that Rod Dreher in the second section gets so butthurt over the term “Fake and Gay”. So much so that he lets the mask slip, and seems to be outrage at the concept of hating the world.

    James 4:4
    Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

    1 John 2:

    14I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one. 15Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world.…

    Luke 16:13
    No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    This so called “Christian” doesn’t understand the basic concepts of Christianity because he never was a Christian. He loves the world, and can’t conceive of anyone hating it or disliking it for any reason. Christ and the Apostles preached rejecting the material realm and all its temptations in preference to the spiritual teachings of Heaven. Your average man cannot 100% adhere to this standard, but it’s certainly pretty easy when it comes to choosing between letting trannies run your church or not.

    Rod Dreher holds MLK in a higher regard than any figure of the Bible, Christ included.

    • @Outlander…

      “This so called “Christian” doesn’t understand the basic concepts of Christianity because he never was a Christian. He loves the world, and can’t conceive of anyone hating it or disliking it for any reason. ”

      Christ preached upholding the commandments, loving, forgiving, being merciful, and seeing beyond this mortal realm.

      Paul preached hating this realm, and appeasing God’s unappeasable wrath by taking part in a communal atonement of the blood sacrifice of Christ..

      I do not see a lot of what Christ preached as a lot of what Paul preached.

      Lastly, if we are to hate this world, am I to take it that the next time your wife offers you some hot apple pie and vanilla ice cream, after which she takes you by the hand, leads you upstairs and has her way with you – that you will hate that?

      Do you also hate stunning sunsets or The Christmas season?

      Do you hate sports and all community activities?

      Do you hate your parents and your own kind?

      If you don’t hate these things, then what sort of ‘hatred of this world’ are you talking?

  3. “By the minute, we are smoking out white nationalism–godless ethnocentrism–in Christian circles.”

    What’s this bucket of poison ?

    • The Christian nationalist and anti-Christian nationalist camps in evangelical Protestantism fighting on Twitter. It has been pretty intense this month

      • “fighting”

        That and stupidity seem to be their only forte.

        16th century, the century of religious warfare in france.
        The Spanish with their fleets of gold, silver and gems, all wasted in hideous religious wars.
        Christians say “love thy enemy” and they can’t be considerate to each other. Just so much pretension.

        Imagine if all that wealth, energy and manpower had gone to basic research.
        We could be centuries ahead of our current circumstances.

        We might have healthy lifespans measured in centuries.

        • “Christians say “love thy enemy” and they can’t be considerate to each other. Just so much pretension.”

          Arrian- since you are not a Christian, you don’t understand the MEANING of that phrase, as most Evangelicals and most Vatican Eww RC’s don’t either.

          Here: And, in the Vulgate (the RC translation) “…the passage telling us to love our enemies used the word “inimicus” in the Latin translation, which means personal enemy. This word was used as opposed to the word “hostis”, which mean the public, or political enemy. So obviously Christ did not teach us to love the people who want to kill us; we are simply to love our brethren and forgive their petty transgressions.”

          “…as a matter of fact, Jesus did not ask his listeners to “love” their persecutors in the Sermon on the Mount; rather, he urged prayers on their behalf. It is even more important to realize what Jesus meant when asked the audience to love their enemies. In the Greek, he refers specifically and only to “private” enemies (echthros) not to “public” or “alien” enemies (polemoi).27 Unless one keeps such distinctions in mind, a Christian hermeneutics of mission can easily degenerate into pathological altruism.28 The existential distinction between friend and enemy cannot be dissolved by transforming Christianity into a deracinated, cosmopolitan cult of the Other. National Jesus knew better than to mistake historical choice for ontological essence.”- Global Jesus versus National Jesus: The Political Hermeneutics of Resurrection Andrew Fraser

        • @Arrian,

          Yes, we cannot move forward toward a type I Civilization on the Kardashev scale because of these yahoos act as a ball and chain to untethered European scientific research and development.

          I support only positive Christianity.

          It’s all so tiresome, and our misfortune.

  4. Owen Strachan, Jesus loves the WHITE nationalist too, Owen, have you met JESUS face too face Owen ? How do you know what he look’s like, you are wondering and guessing, just like everybody else, Owen, but their is one thing you don’t have to , wonder and guess about Owen, simply this ” Too be at peace with the world, is to be at war with GOD” Thius saith the LORD, Owen……..their is and will be continued warfare in the church, between those who LOVE the world and those who love, Our Heavenly FATHER……….Owen…….

  5. “energy in American evangelicalism is on our side”

    Bunch of kooks.

    Four blood moons…..hagee
    I’ve raised ppl from the dead….hinn
    Just blow covid away *puff puff* ….copeland. (I’ll bet he blows .)

  6. “By the minute, we are smoking out white nationalism–godless ethnocentrism–in Christian circles.”

    Owen Strachan..


    Though this spirit is not of every New Englander, it is, however, The New England State of Mind; a determination to root out everything and everyone different to it, in the name of advancing The Good.

    Though a lot of this comment is just hot air, the unfortunate history of New England trying to bend The South to it’s will, for now nigh on 2 centuries, compels me to take it seriously.

    A REPLY…

    No, Mr. Strachan, you will not ‘smoke us out’, for, not only are we in most churches, in many many churches we surround you and your kind.

    You shall not bend us to your will, nor shall you succeed in making this a country which smoke or burns us out.

    What you will do, however, is wind up spending the rest of your life attending a non-White church in the suburb of some big city in a Blue State, or, that is, it is what you will try to try, until they decide to shut your church down, in the name of something they have not yet cooked up.

    At that point, you may have to relocate to be with those of us you find so detestable, for we WILL preserve Western Christendom, in The Red States.

  7. The only Evangelical Protestant pastor I listen to is Chuck Baldwin, who turned away from Christian Zionism at the end of GWB’s second term.

  8. In his book “Fighting for the Essence,” Pierre Krebs argues that Europeans achieved great things not -because- of Christianity, but in -spite- of it. That is to say, for example, he believes that the entire Baroque period of the Western arts would have been yet even more magnanimous if Europe had remained culturally pagan. He, too, believes that paganism is the only solution to the European spirit. Christianity would kill the European races.

    I can accept that people criticize all of the various denominations, the false prophets and teachers, the contradictory messages, and so on. I cannot out-argue those who wish to challenge my beliefs with their reason, for faith and knowledge cannot coexist. But, I do know this: I feel far more peace remembering “Nearer My God To Thee” than I will with any Finnish ritualistic chanting. I know I will feel my heart be calmed more by being in a church than in a cold forest at midnight.

    Perhaps I could be better if I were pagan, by whichever metric they wish to use. But, that would be a matter of faith, would it not?

    • “he believes that the entire Baroque period of the Western arts would have been yet even more magnanimous if Europe had remained culturally pagan. He, too, believes that paganism is the only solution to the European spirit. Christianity would kill the European races.”

      Hugh- Krebs is blowing smoke out his ASS. He knows (and you would too, if you were being honest with yourself) that the INCARNATIONAL NATURE of Christianity in Europe MADE THAT CIVILIZATION, from shortly after Christ’s Resurrection until the early 1920’s…
      As two disparate quotes make clear:

      As Justin Martyr (d. A.D. 165) so clearly said, ‘Christ is our King, and Christianity is our race which you knew once as Israel.”


      “Europe is the faith, and the faith is Europe…I say again, renewing the terms, The Church is Europe: and Europe is The Church.” -Hilaire Belloc, A.D. 1920. 

      As Catholic author Sam Francis said, when he finally figured out that Vatican EWWW was detrimental to both Catholic and European civilization:

      “What we as whites must do is reassert our identity and our solidarity, and we must do so in explicitly racial terms through the articulation of a racial consciousness as whites.”- Sam Francis

      Why? Another Obvious fact: “Fundamentally, Judaism is anti-Christian!”
      – The London Jewish World, 1923 (Issue 337)

  9. Rod Dreher says Christians must always hate “hate.” The Bible says Christians should hate evil. (Romans 12.9) By the way, isn’t this the same Rod Dreher who worked to terminate Thomas Achord’s job and ability to support his family because Achord expressed anti-Woke views? If that ain’t hateful, what is?

    • EXACTLY. Achord’s book is a compendium of writers, corroborating HIS (Achord’s) position, NOT Dreher’s. Dreher is an antichrist, masquerading (even to himself) that he is a Christian…… Anathema.

  10. Since I’ve been an adult (18, that is), I’ve moved from the (Arminian) United Methodist church I grew up in to a (more-conservative) Southern Baptist church and from that (latent-Calvinist) church to a Reformed Baptist church. Just about everybody who has joined my small church in my time there is a millennial man who has followed a similar path. I personally do not know a group of people with stronger right-wing views than these men at my church. Our boomers have even proven sympathetic and increasingly look to us for explanations of what’s going on. From my perspective, as someone with some awareness of what’s going on in both the Right and Reformed spheres, I think this writer is really on to something.

  11. “I converted to Christ in the year 2000, leaving behind my atheistic contrarianism.”

    So the guy who authored the book “Christian Nationalism” is a former atheist? That’s funny, and not particularly surprising. Sohrab Ahmari, the Catholic Integralism guy, was born a Muslim and became an atheist before later converting to Catholicism. Atheism is just the correct intellectual position and smart guys are likely to reach it, even if they are later repelled by the left-wing culture of the so-called “atheist community” and convince themselves to return to their religious roots.

    • I went through a similar Christian to atheist back to “Christian” (kinda) journey. It might be more accurate to say I lost faith that atheism is necessarily correct, lost faith that the “God concept” is entirely fallacious. “Christianity” is more like familiar spiritual trappings to me than something I seriously believe. It’s probably true for these others guys too – probably true for Hunter himself – although they’d be loath to admit it.

  12. Write down whatever your opinions are of the moral questions of the day on a napkin.
    You will find a Protestant Church that will fit your opinions.
    What you are doing in fact, is worshipping yourself. Not the Holy Trinity.
    Protestantism is a joke. Period.
    This movement is what led to the enlightenment, then to ultimately the Trans -Movement we have today.
    I’m not attacking the lay people. I know they are doing the best they can in the situation we find ourselves.
    The One True Faith . The Traditional Catholic Faith. Has been attacked both outside & inside Christendom for over 500 years.
    The Bible is a Catholic Book. This is just an historical fact. The only reason John’s Gospel actually has authority is because the Catholic Church declared it so. Period. Otherwise it would be just another book as are the Gospels of Thomas, or Nicodemus.
    Every Protestant sect considered birth control to be an abomination, until the “church” of England in the 1930’s accepted this evil. Now it is considered an acceptable moral practice throughout out the Protestant world .
    How could an evil act become good ? Who has the authority to overturn morality?
    Modernism has seemed to triumph in The Catholic Church since Vatican 2 in the 60’s. But God will not be mocked.
    The Social Reign of Christ The King will emerge at Our Lord’s choosing.
    I personally pray for the Crucifix to be in the White House. The Sacred Heart on the Flag.
    I know this is not a forum to debate the whole Traditional Catholic vs 42,000 different Protestant sects that contradict each other.
    My main point is that Protestantism is ultimately a road to no where.
    If we as a people are to survive , we must first renounce our heresies. Do penance, and then recapture The Catholic Church.
    There is no political solution. No candidate that will save us.
    Our enemies understand this. They go to huge lengths to keep The Catholic Church in its grasp. They will fail. But what will be the cost.
    Our Lady of Fatima predicted that unless we repent , whole nations will be destroyed. The common thought was nuclear war. That still might be, but what about demographic change ? We see that soon whole nations in Europe & the US itself will be overrun & destroyed by a foreign invasion without a shot being fired, just an atheistic, effeminate race , being brushed aside.
    All our ancestors were sons of The One Holy Church, it’s time to return or perish.

    • lots of spics that have snuck across the border illegally, are using this same trad cat bullshit to validate violating our laws, and will use it to destroy our US Constitution. We have not forgotten what your filth did to the Germanic peoples back in the 30 Years War. Go back to your third world shithole and take your dark age shit w/ you.

    • THUMBS ” It’s time to return or perish ” worshipping a woman, praying too dead people, preying upon young boy Booty, keep it, we would rather die, than return to that……selling indulgence’s……………you people are more than welcome too the apostate’s…….and your Bullshit ritual’s, you people have been replaced, you have no relevance in CHRISTENDOM, the third world, might provide you, with a fresh supply of dummies and young boy butt………you have picked a fight and you will surely lose…….

  13. Evangelical Elite / PHARISEE , Mathew 23:6 ” And greeting’s in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi…….REPENT! REPENT! And make ye, your crooked path’s , straight…….that was, thee original mission statement, from the original BAPTIST…….Leading sinners, too CHRIST………not into APOSTASY, was and still is, the original purpose, of the BAPTIST faith, you, ” EVANGELICAL RABBI’S ” , would do well, to LASER FOCUS on feeding Our Master’s Sheep, not remaking the external world……

    • And then there are the atomistic Prots, thieves of the Word of God, know-nothings who have not the Spirit of God, whose aberrant eschatology is grounded in Cultic SDA rationales, and/or the ravings of a Mad Teenage Scotswoman…. Oh, yeah. So ‘Christian.’


  14. Then their are the Orthodox, Yankee rabbi’s, with the their theological snobbery, the Orthodox church has as much chance of growing in the SOUTH, as strawberry’s do in the Arctic circle, why someone would come on a SOUTHERN intellectual site, to insult BAPTIST people, is beyond me, but regardless of their ASSHOLE reasoning, I could care less, me or my SOUTHERN, WHITE, PROTESTANT, ADAMITE, PEOPLE, will get along just fine……
    .we don’t need, or want you around………….

  15. I love that picture of David French and Russell Moore smirking , almost getting ready to French kiss one another, midway through this article- a pair of peter puffers if i ever saw such!

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