Summer of Discontent

Losing our Whitopia.

Atlanta, Georgia

Writing in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Cynthia Tucker connects the dots between the Arizona immigration showdown, the Ground Zero Mosque debate, opposition to birthright citizenship, Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally, and the growing perception in America that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

White people are afraid of their impending minority status.

Changing racial demographics have created a season of “civic craziness.” It has provoked a “backlash against the browning of America” which is now “blowing” at “gale force.”

A broad economic recovery is needed to “drain the vicious energy from the backlash.” Economic prosperity will “restore faith” in the American Dream. Right now that “faith is fading” and Muslims are the “easiest targets.”

That’s not far off the mark.

First, there is an Implicit White Nationalist movement that is deformed in various ways by the reigning taboos of our society. The people involved in this movement yearn to return the more innocent days of White America while dodging uncomfortable questions about race.

Implicit White Nationalists are like nostalgic goldfish who demand to preserve their environment while failing to acknowledge the existence of an aquarium. They are animated by the same impulses as Explicit White Nationalists, but would never publicly admit it for fear of losing their respectability.

Second, the Implicit White Nationalist movement is fueled by the symbolism of a negro alien in the White House and the economic dislocation that has followed in the wake of his election. If the economy started booming again, as it did under Bill Clinton in the 1990s, “nativist sentiment” would undoubtedly subside, and would decline further still under a reassuring White president.

Third, Muslims and illegal aliens are soft targets, and White people can get away with attacking them in the mainstream without having to suffer much in the way of consequences. As Tucker points out, the number of illegal aliens coming to America has declined, but the perception that illegal immigration is a problem has grown.

White America has undeniably grown more sensitive about questions of identity. The terrible economy, a non-White president, changing demographics, and challenges to their cultural identity have all contributed to this insolent attitude.

This is also the exact opposite of the analysis that prevails in White Nationalist circles.

From the vantagepoint of the Far Left, White America is moving away from them in a reactionary direction. From the perspective of the Far Right, White America is still so far away from the radical position that it appears nothing has changed.

The mainstream Left has been discredited. Barack Obama’s coalition has collapsed and the Democrats will likely lose the House in November. The mainstream Right has been under attack from insurgent Tea Party candidates.

A growing mass of energized, angry White people have shifted the political spectrum. From a pro-White perspective, this is a good thing.

People who are mad as hell, politically engaged, feel like outsiders, and who are searching for answers to America’s national decline are already traveling down the road to radicalism.

The real question is this: are the existing radicals willing to build bridges to their peers, or will the purists continue to burn them?

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50 Comments

  1. Right. Let’s just see what happens to all this righteous anger on November 3rd.

    Tea partiers: “well, the Republicans won so all those mexicans are gonna get deported. I guess I’ll go back to watching football”

    Republican: “well, now that those peasants are quiet let’s get you mexicans amnestied. Our lawns aren’t going to mow themselves”.

  2. Hunter,

    You said several things as comments this morning which I think also speak to what you are saying here.

    HW:

    Amren and CofCC are explicitly racial and have remained marginalized for that reason. Outside the Deep South, Whites shifted outside the explicit column a generation ago. If they are ever going to be led back into the fold, it will have to be done by pro-Whites operating within the implicit mainstream, who are willing to start where Whites find themselves today.
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    Hunter Wallace said:
    September 7, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    The CofCC could have undoubtedly have more success in the Deep South (where 40% to 60% of Whites are explicitly racial) if White Nationalists in the region were only willing to be a little more realistic and patient with their contemporaries.

    Unfortunately, that is a tall order.

    In an very practical sense how/where do you start where mainstream whites are today? What is realistic? Is there an equivalent to working on the auto production lines of today?
    You know-or at least I do- that the first reaction from people is what problem, what racial problem, it’s the economy stupid? When I hear some one like Tucker, Robinson or Krugman ( and the whole gang at NYT’s) go on about the white fear I simply wish that they will go on and on and by doing so create something that is not there by insisting that it is.

  3. Jeff,

    If I remember correctly, and I closely followed the amnesty debate at the time, it was Republican Senators like Jeff Sessions and Jim DeMint who stopped the Bush amnesty, along with the enraged conservative base led by organizations like NumbersUSA.

    The Republicans who pushed the Bush amnesty since that time have either retired, been purged in primaries, disgraced, or forced to repudiate their former positions. There are only a few of the old faces left now.

    The incoming Congress will have fewer Senators like Arlen Specter and Larry Craig and more like Jeff Sessions and Rand Paul. This looks like progress to me.

    It would certainly be nice to have White Nationalists in the Senate. But are White Nationalists ever going to get their act together and become a credible threat to the status quo?

    Somehow I doubt it.

  4. I’m pittsoff about getting all of these damn tape recorded phone calls from frickin’ politicians—how come these azzholes always call around dinner time?

    I may call back.

    Earlmundo: Is Fuckhead there?

    Fuckheads Mother: Who?

    Earlmundo: Your little shitbag who wants to be in _______ and keeps calling me at dinner time.

  5. Right. Let’s just see what happens to all this righteous anger on November 3rd.

    Tea partiers: “well, the Republicans won so all those mexicans are gonna get deported. I guess I’ll go back to watching football”

    Republican: “well, now that those peasants are quiet let’s get you mexicans amnestied. Our lawns aren’t going to mow themselves”.

    Exactly. The tea partiers are just a bunch of upper-middle-class/rich white republican who, unlike working class whites, have the free time to stand around all day holding signs. Their understanding of racial politics is rudimentary at best. ‘We don’t want a dark-skinned president who’s probably a muslim communist’ is about as far as they take it.

    These people are far more classist than they are racist. They look down on the lower classes, period, be they white, black, yellow or tan. They’d sooner socialize with a rich black doctor than a poor white janitor.

    Looking at this class of anglo objectively is less about burning bridges and more about cutting bait. After all, you can’t burn a bridge that never existed.

  6. If Whites follow the likes of Sarah Palin and Glen Beck they’ll be spinning their wheels for years until they figure out they’re going nowhere and it’ll be too late by then. The key to White power is to take over the Republican Party and oust the old leadership. Paleoconservatism is radical enough and palatable for mainstream Whites to digest.

  7. White Nationalists can easily build bridges with the Tea Party folks, as long as they don’t discuss any White Nationalist issues whatsoever. I’m an ex-lawyer, still clean up pretty well, and still have friends in the gated suburban developments. These people actually believe that going through a legal process will turn a Mexican or Arab into an ‘American.’ They are only against ‘illegal immigrants.’ Most of them really believe that, folks.

    If you press them just a bit, and say something to the effect of, ‘but what happens when they start sniffing around your daughters?’ (in the most diplomatic, lawyerly way, of course), they get the deer-in-the-headlights look, maybe sweat a little bit. Later you will find out from another friend that you aren’t to be invited back, you are too ‘radical.’

    If we have general economic failure and the Pubs screw them over yet again, a fair number will be receptive to our message, which isn’t quite as unacceptable as it was five years ago. If not, AS LONG AS YOU KEEP QUIET, I’m sure you will be welcome at the next Beck rally. You can watch Beck lick any negro from head to toe who happens to pass by.

  8. HW: “The real question is this: are the existing radicals willing to build bridges to their peers, or will the purists continue to burn them? “

    The real real question is how to get rid of the interlopers at the top of conservative (and liberal) institutions. Most white people are pro-white and anti-immigration. They are not very different from White Nationalists, even though they are less radical, less politicized, and less explicit. There is no real need for bridges. The problem is that they are led by traitors. They need a political home that will be explicitly pro-White and not-Jewish, so they can get away from the hijacked Republican Party. If you want to build bridges, you should wait until White Nationalists really exist on the ground.

    White Nationalism is the idea of defending white people. It is a political position, but it barely exists on the ground as a political movement. There are a few activist or intellectual organizations, but most potential White Nationalists have to settle for things like the Republican Party, the Tea Party, and other conservative groups. There is not much else to give them a political home. The problem for potential White Nationalists is not how to tone down their rhetoric and build bridges to their conservative peers, but how to get out of the conservative dead end.

    So far, everyone has been building bridges and looking for compromise with the anti-white forces. The result is that the right no longer exists, or no longer defends the Whites. Conservative institutions have been hijacked by the phony right. The same thing happened decades earlier to the left: they were hijacked by the anti-white forces. Today, the only people left to defend the Whites are those who are explicit about race.

  9. “Pig Red” is pretty much spot-on the mark with this comment:
    “These people are far more classist than they are racist”
    – Yes, these are also people living in the past and who see Ronald Reagan as a saint and would love to see him resurrected. Even if immigration is allegedly “slowing down”, Obama will most likely do everything in his power to amnesty those Mexicans and Central Americans already here. If that happens then, as others have pointed out, the Republican party will never again see one of their own in the White House.Also if that happens , even if Republicans win in November and we get new “quality” Republicans in office it will have been a hollow victory considering that there will be a guaranteed new block of 30 million Democrat Mexican voters who are then “citizens” and we will become a minority for certain (and sooner).

  10. Exactly. The tea partiers are just a bunch of upper-middle-class/rich white republican who, unlike working class whites, have the free time to stand around all day holding signs.

    I can’t believe that. While the tea party has certainly been hijacked by the republicans, I can vouch that early in the movement it was anything but affluent people. I should know, I was there and my “salary” sucks!

  11. Pig Red,

    I understand your strategy is to push away people who are moving in a positive direction because they are not radical enough for your tastes.

    Clearly, that is how we get from here to the finish line: by erecting as many barriers as possible between White Nationalists and a mass constituency.

  12. It is a myth that the Tea Party has been hijacked by the Republicans. I have been to a number of their events now. These people aren’t cooing for Mitch McConnell or slobbering over Newt Gingrich. It usually doesn’t take long for them to tell you how much they dislike the GOP and how many times they have been screwed over.

    This is reflected in the Rasmussen opinion polls. The GOP is less popular than the Democrats, but is set to win an overwhelming victory in November. This is because the Tea Party (and the broader White electorate) are trying to hijack the GOP and purge it of the establishment leadership.

    That makes more sense than what I am seeing in White Nationalist corners.

  13. What we really need is to get a reduction in legal immigration on the agenda. This fight over illegal immigration has made people forget about immigration in general. Some people are getting all triumphant about the defeat of amnesty and the resonance of anti-illegal immigration rhetoric with the public while ignoring the million plus legal immigrants, overwhelmingly non-white, who are coming in every single year.

    The fight against amnesty may have been a Pyrrhic victory in the sense that virtually every politicians and pundit involved praised legal immigration to high heaven right after denouncing illegal immigration. I remember as recently as the late 90’s, there were voices on mainstream right talking about the need for a reduction in legal immigration and talking about the “cultural” aspects of mass non-Western immigration. I don’t hear any of that kind of talk from conservative pundits, politicians or the right wing media today.

  14. Armor,

    White Nationalists wasted the last five years. From 2005 to 2010, White Nationalists failed to create a viable real world alternative to the status quo. I was around throughout that entire period and nothing in the way of a credible political vehicle or activist organization emerged.

    There is no difference between the White Nationalist movement in 2005 and 2010. It is the same cast of characters. It is the same people posting thousands of anonymous messages about the Jews in cyberspace. It is same Neo-Nazis parading around as the public face of the movement.

    Perhaps something will come out of the A3P. It shouldn’t have taken this long to get the ball rolling.

    While all this was happening, there was a change in the mainstream. Ordinary conservatives got fed up with George W. Bush and the Republican Congress. The GOP was crushed in 2006 and 2008.

    From 2006 to 2010, the Republican Senators who pushed the Bush amnesty were picked off one by one. Some were forced into retirement. Some were disgraced. Several died. Quite a few were defeated in primaries.

    Ordinary people are trying to purge the scum in the GOP and conservative movement. They haven’t been successful in every case, but they are stirred up and agitated enough to throw the bums out.

    Eventually, Michael Steele will be thrown out. The Bush/Rove strategy of making the GOP more attractive to Hispanics has failed. Now aspiring GOP Governors or Senators are trying to position themselves as the next Jan Brewer.

    Over the next decade, the GOP will be transformed into the White party. The conservative base will continue to pick off establishment candidates in the primaries. Implicit Whites will hijack the Republican Party and bypass the White Nationalist movement.

    I grant that I could be wrong. That is what I think is going to happen.

  15. I understand your strategy is to push away people who are moving in a positive direction because they are not radical enough for your tastes.

    Shining light on the heavy class element of this struggle will do more to attract the mass of downtrodden, working class whites than the bulk of the intellectual posturing that goes on in this movement.

    Clearly, that is how we get from here to the finish line: by erecting as many barriers as possible between White Nationalists and a mass constituency.

    Ignoring class and seeing everything through the lens of race will only get you halfway there, though.

  16. “Over the next decade, the GOP will be transformed into the White party.”

    The GOP already is the white party in terms of voters. The issue is getting pro-white leaders.

    I don’t see this happening for several reasons. First, we have been in the same sort of place we are now and that’s not what has happened. Instead, once the GOP gets back into office, the economy picks up and new issues emerge, people forget about the radical stuff.

    Secondly, the degree that the current angst among Republican voters is animated by racial issues is exaggerated, both by you and the liberals in the media. A lot of this is just partisan, sports fan type sore losing. I’ve seen this before and looks the same now as it did after Clinton won in 1992 after 12 years straight of GOP presidents.

    Thirdly, but most importantly, none of these Tea Party people are making pro-white statements or advocating directly pro-white policies. They are advocating for colorblindness. At best, you could call this “white neutral,” although in effect, white neutral immigration laws and anti-discrimination laws are harmful to whites. With the rhetorical and ideological corner that aracial conservatives have painted themselves into, I don’t see how the current movement could easily transition into being truly pro-white from where it is now.

    For what you are predicting to come to pass, at some point, leading conservative pundits, politicians and talk show hosts are going to have to say something to the effect of “whites are a people, they have interests and they must act on those interests” and then DO things like advocate for immigration laws that favor white immigrants and repealing civil rights laws that forbid whites from not associating with non-whites. I don’t see where we are now leading to that in the next 10 years. I don’t see Glenn Beck saying that whites have the right not to rent apartments to blacks or the GOP House leader advocating white only immigration laws. If things go that way, I believe it will be lead by people who are now involved in WN or unknown gaining large followings rather than the current crop of traitors having road to Damascus conversions. If the current leaders do change, it will only because they fear being pushed aside by openly pro-white competitors.

    If we look at other countries that have developed large nationalist parties that win elections and influence the political process, they all started with small groups and grew by developing their own politicians and activists rather than co-opting “mainstream” center-right parties and their leaders.

  17. ATBOTL said: “Instead, once the GOP gets back into office, the economy picks up and new issues emerge, people forget about the radical stuff.”
    The economy will not be recovering this time. You should view this movie called Overdose that was being shown on Alternative Right. We are on our way to Great Depression 2. If the elected Republicans proceed with an economy like the neocons want, which is to say the status quo of private sector crony capitalism/robber baronism and public sector Marxism-Keynesianism, then the economy is finished! If the Republicans actually introduce some sort of massive economic reform like massive cutting of spending and a return to a genuine free market (like Ron Paul wants) or protectionism of some sort that would abolish economic globalism (like Pat Buchanan wants) then the economy has a fighting chance. If they do the latter, which I doubt they will, then they have already conceeded to the real right on the economic front. If they don’t get this then the economy is finished and I think we get the scenario that Sean writes about: “If we have general economic failure and the Pubs screw them over yet again, a fair number will be receptive to our message.”

  18. Why is this stuff about the decreasing number of illegals entering the US swallowed whole?
    Who says? The government? CIS? FAIR?
    Not for nothing, but the accepted number of illegals has remained at 11 – 12 million since 05. Which is the same year Bears Stern did their study (utilizing people on the ground) and came up with an estimate of over 20 million.
    Two years ago president v fox stated that there were more than 30 million mexicans in the US. How many of them do you suppose are illegal? A third?
    11 million my ass.
    Further, this business about taking over the republican party (via the tea parties) is absurd. The tea parties ARE republicans. Jesus man, they got Scott Brown elected. Does he seem like the kinda guy that’s gonna fight for you or does he seem like a politician?
    The only real power the tea parties had was the threat of running third party candidates against the Republicans.
    And unlike the anti illegal alien movement which stopped every amnesty (so far),the tea parties had no effect whatever on stopping the bailouts or obamacare.
    The republican party is weak. It is corrupt and self serving. Recall voinovich’s response to his anti amnesty constituents: “”You do not intimidate George Voinovich,” he said. “During my 40 years in this business, I have always looked at the pros and cons of each piece of legislation and made a determination”
    40 years in this business. Got that?
    You think a bunch of wannabe politicians and rats like McCain and Graham are gonna look to your interests because (by electing them) you’re giving them control of billions of your dollars and your children’s future? Have they looked out for you heretofore?
    No.
    The republican party and their lap dog conservatives need to be removed from even marginal power. They had their chance and we got the obama punks as a result.
    Nothing’s gonna stop the barbarity headed our way, but we can cut the legs out from under a degenerate government by electing third party members dedicated to stopping the government in it’s tracks. By any means necessary.
    And as for the coming republican tsunami, keep in mind that during our last depression FDR was elected to four consecutive terms by paying out billions of government dollars to the right organizations.
    Just like obama.
    Fuck the republicans and their conservative lap dancers.
    Third party hard heads. There’s no other way.

  19. Pig Red,

    After ten years in the White Nationalist scene, I am quite familiar with pro-Whites who like to strike a leftist pose. It is one of the myriad ways that White Nationalists rhetorically distinguish themselves from conservatives in cyberspace.

    Another example of White Nationalists going around the bend is the absurd idea that every victory for the Left is a secret victory for the White Nationalist movement. Obama’s election was supposed to infuriate the White masses to the point where they would embrace … National Socialism.

    Like any number of inane predictions I have seen over the years, that one didn’t materialize either.

  20. tatosian,

    You’ve convinced me that the Republican Party and their conservative lap dancers must be cast out of power. We have to go third party.

    Now that I think about it, there are people who I know and respect who are trying to create a White Nationalist third party as an alternative to the GOP, but last time I checked they had around a hundred or two hundred members.

    I’m not in anyway impugning their efforts. It is just a striking fact to me that the A3P has been able to recruit about 200 members out of the 30,000 or so hardcore White Nationalists and the hundreds of thousands who browse White Nationalist websites.

    I’ve been saying for weeks now that the White Nationalist movement, as it currently exists, is little more than empty rhetorical posturing in cyberspace. You are not going to be able to recruit a mass constituency until you can convince people that you are a compelling alternative to the status quo.

  21. Still too many people taking the “system” seriously. Elections, including the expected Republicrat “victory” in November, no longer have any real political significance: both parties, including implicit 3rd Party TPs, are locked up by Zion. Only the economy matters, and all signs point to complete implosion no later than mid-2012. Then a hard-right, armed, nationalist movement will precipitate out and engage the Zionist regime and its ethnic group-entitlements – including millions of bought-off whites – in a merciless Civil War. Some political developments between now and then could, of course, radicalize the situation faster and sooner. If, for instance, the lame-duck Congress or Zero by fiat legalizes the illegals. Do us the favor. Please.

  22. ATBOTL,

    1.) The Tea Party is more effective without leaders like Glenn Miller, Erich Gliebe, and Alex Linder.

    2.) The 2010s won’t be a repeat of the 1990s.

    – In the 1990s, Republicans had been in the political wilderness around forty years, and struck people as an untested alternative to Democratic control of Congress. Now, the GOP is less popular than the Democrats, and people are voting Republican in an attempt to hijack the party, not because of any real enthusiasm for its leadership.

    – In the 1990s, Republicans looked back fondly upon Ronald Reagan, who was enormously popular as president. In the 2010s, Americans live in the aftermath of George W. Bush and the GOP majority that conservatives repudiated in 2006.

    – In the 1990s, the economy recovered and boomed under Clinton, which it is highly unlikely to do under Obama.

    – There are millions upon millions of more illegal aliens in America in the 2010s than in the 1990s. There is far more awareness of the problem.

    – In the 1990s, America had just passed NAFTA and Wal-Mart was spreading its tentacles across the country. America was outsourced and offshored in the twenty years that followed.

    – In 2010, America has a black president, a highly visible and unsettling symbol of changing racial demographics. There hasn’t been much change in policy from Bush to Obama, but the presence of an alien in the White House struck a nerve in White America that would not have been the case had McCain won.

    – Under Clinton, the federal government was running a budget surplus, and anxiety about fiscal issues like government spending and the national debt ebbed.

    – There wasn’t a Tea Party in the 1990s. The federal government had far more legitimacy in the Clinton era than it does now.

    – Lately, White Nationalists haven’t done anything stupid like Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing, which undermined all the momentum the pro-White movement had built after Waco and Ruby Ridge.

  23. 3.) Partisan bickering can’t explain why the GOP has a 24% approval rating, but is set to recapture control of Congress. What’s more, Bush Sr. (who signed into law the Immigration Act of 1990 and the Civil Rights Act of 1990) was thrown out of office for being a moderate.

    That was the last time major civil rights or immigration reform legislation made it through Congress. Subsequent bills were killed by Republicans in Congress.

    4.) Colorblindness is a pull in the right direction. Since the 1980s, we have been at the next stage of flagrant racial discrimination against Whites in the name of diversity.

    Simply by pulling in the opposite direction, the Tea Party is causing the Left to overreact, which in turn is creating the polarization necessary to radicalize moderates. It is precisely these polarizing national media spectacles about race that activate implicit Whites and turn them into explicit Whites.

    It happens all the time.

    5.) There is no pressure coming at conservatives from White Nationalists that could possibly force them to move in a more pro-White direction. The pressure comes exclusively from the Left. If you want to pull the political spectrum in your direction, you must be willing to do something beyond posting anonymous comments on the internet.

    6.) After ten years of involvement in the White Nationalist scene, I haven’t seen any evidence that White Nationalists are going to get their act together anytime soon and develop a mass following. The only mass following White Nationalism has is in cyberspace where nothing that is said ultimately matters.

    7.) American White Nationalists have had four decades to create their own version of the BNP or Front National. The A3P is such an effort, but White Nationalists themselves won’t support their own advocates. If White Nationalists won’t support the A3P, what makes you think mainstream conservatives will flock to its standard?

  24. “Implicit White Nationalists are like nostalgic goldfish who demand to preserve their environment while failing to acknowledge the existence of an aquarium.”

    Good analogy. I believe the number of neurotic AmeriKans is so high because they instinctively know they must preserve their aquarium, yet have been conditioned to think acknowledging the aquarium’s existence or taking the necessary steps is EVIL. It would make them Nazi’s and Heaven forbid that. So pent-up frustration builds and often bursts out in strange ways.

    They’re tied up in knots pretty good, having two contradictory beliefs simultaneously (doublethink).
    Interestingly enough, the goal of witchcraft and spell casting is to tie people in knots or bind them.

  25. Vic: I have long thought that the real social purpose of Prozac and such is to contain the stress of defeat and occupation among Whites.

  26. “Hunter said: Over the next decade, the GOP will be transformed into the White party. The conservative base will continue to pick off establishment candidates in the primaries. Implicit Whites will hijack the Republican Party and bypass the White Nationalist movement.”

    For this to happen, the GOP will have to refuse to accept or solicit any campaign money from jews, because jews will NEVER donate to any party that they see as advocating for white interests. Certainly, if the conservative base to which you refer can be educated enough to understand that whites are in a racial fight to the death with the jews and their Cultural Marxist brainwashed lackies – and once armed with that awareness, adopt a zero tolerance policy for any GOP politician who betrays white interests, this purge can happen. But, you overlook the Big Picture – which is the final completion of the genocide of White European people – and I’m convinced that jews will NEVER abandon that effort, unless they are physically stopped.

    “Hunter said: The Tea Party is more effective without leaders like Glenn Miller, Erich Gliebe, and Alex Linder.”

    I don’t consider Gliebe or Miller to be leaders, but as for Linder – this guy’s intellect and uncanny insight into the enemy’s mindset and tactics might at times sound a little crude and unsophisticated, but nevertheless – Linder is dead on the mark and few pro-white people are able to read the laces on the enemy’s fast ball better than Alex Linder. Linder doesn’t believe in the subtle approach to doing battle with the enemy; he prefers to go on the offense and stop playing prevent defense, which has been a losing strategy for the right for the last 50 plus years.

    I remember one thing that Linder said that was probably the best Linderism he’s ever offered. It went something like this: “You can’t sneak up on the world’s most paranoid people”. Putin did it in Russia, but this enemy has a long memory and they are on guard against another rope a dope maneuver here in America. So, this foe needs to be faced directly – named forthrightly, and pronounced as our enemy.

    Put them on the defensive and start jamming our fists in their faces, people. Accuse them of conspiring to genocide Whites and force them to defend genocide – that, I am
    convinced, will do the trick and result in millions of white heads popping free of white asses.

  27. Hunter the wedge you are looking for between implicit WNs and the “diversity” is the phrase “anti-white.” That phrase is their respectable out, because they really really tried to create a color blind society but the diversity rejected them. Really folks the issue in front of us is our genocide thru race replacement policies.

  28. About that “growing mass of energized, angry White people”; my question is who would be the Sara Palin or Glenn Beck of the White National movement? More specifically those who take up WN’s time, engage them in endless debate educate or entertain them but avoiding any explicit suggestion of doing anything t to improve their lot in life. You would think that with our people’s creativity and intelligence we could come up with a street-legal WN 101 universal and basic enough to help the newly enlightened avoid the pitfalls and help those stuck on what to do to at least move forward.
    “First, there is an Implicit White Nationalist movement that is deformed in various ways by the reigning taboos of our society.”
    Perhaps you underestimate those people at least in part. Many have sampled the WN sites and organizations. Their two offered choices are to rant and read as a major hobby in the closet or tattoo one’s self and make enemies drawing attention till estranged from the family, penniless and incarcerated. Consider the implicit White Nationalist someone looking for a path to achieving a goal not self-destruction sans benefit to the cause.

  29. Discard: I agree. I believe “anti-depressants” are more or less a chemical lobotomy. It makes people completely numb, cold, uncaring, disengaged to their surroundings.

    Still remember the year both of my parents began taking them and how everything in the family changed and started going down-hill fast.

  30. Hunter Wallace says: Over the next decade, the GOP will be transformed into the White party.

    The reason that the Republican party will NOT transform into a white party over the next 10, 20, or 100 years is that it won’t be allowed to. The reason that it won’t be allowed to is because the Republican party is controlled by the same group of people who control the Democrats, the news media and wall street: jews. This should be obvious to anyone with eyes to see, or ears to hear.

    I’ve been saying for weeks now that the White Nationalist movement, as it currently exists, is little more than empty rhetorical posturing in cyberspace.

    And they have been driven there by decades of RELENTLESS persecution from Federal and state law enforcement. This is a documented FACT. There are VERY REAL personal consequences for coming out in public as an open WN. Most people will NOT do that! Look at how much crap Jared Taylor has to put up with, and he is about as watered down as it is possible to be. Underground is the only way to operate.

    The very LAST thing the PTB want is a sudden economic collapse because they KNOW that would lead to the sort of massive civil unrest with attendant political radicalization they may not be able to contain no matter how many divisions they throw into the streets. They would instead much prefer the long SLOW devolution of America into a third world polyglot cesspool. However, economic circumstances may not allow them that time. In such a case, a frightened desperate white population may turn to those who are currently political outsiders, untainted by ANY connection with the corrupt jew-brought system! That is what happened the last time, in Germany, in 1933.

  31. “1.) The Tea Party is more effective without leaders like Glenn Miller, Erich Gliebe, and Alex Linder.”

    I never mentioned them. Anything I have have ever said about Miller and Linder on the internet has been bad. Why do you keep bringing these clowns up when almost none of the people arguing with you are followers of them? Would the Tea Party be better off with Jared Taylor and Sam Dickson as leaders?

    “2.) The 2010s won’t be a repeat of the 1990s.”

    No one knows what will happen. I think it is likely that there will be a”repeat” of sorts in the sense that all this noise won’t change the course of race replacement. Of course some things will be different. Granted many things about conditions to day are worse than they were then, but there is another side to that coin: the people we are working with. By all polls and surveys, white Americans in 2010 are a lot less racially conscious now that they were 15 or 20 years ago. A lot of that is simply because many of the people who held “racist” views then are now dead. Their children and grandchildren generally hold no value higher than not being “prejudiced”(that’s how real life non-political white people phrase it). Others have been assimilated to the dominant value system.

    “3.) Partisan bickering can’t explain why the GOP has a 24% approval rating, but is set to recapture control of Congress. What’s more, Bush Sr. (who signed into law the Immigration Act of 1990 and the Civil Rights Act of 1990) was thrown out of office for being a moderate.”

    What explains this is the Tea Party types mostly see themselves as “real” Republicans and conservatives and GOP politicians as sell outs and phonies. The problem is that these people’s definition of “real” doesn’t include racial consciousness. That’s a crucial distinction. If that changes, then this whole thing can start moving the right direction.

    “4.) Colorblindness is a pull in the right direction. Since the 1980s, we have been at the next stage of flagrant racial discrimination against Whites in the name of diversity.”

    Playing defense isn’t enough. If things never go further than colorblindness, whites will be the minority by mid-century and facing South African like conditions by century’s end.

    The problem here is that the intellectual framework that conservatives have used to push for colorblindness comes from the other side. Conservatives have NOT been arguing against affirmative action because it hurts whites, they have been arguing against it because it is “unfair” and perversely, that it hurts blacks. They’ve already conceded that “fairness” and the well being of non-whites are legitimate values, but that the well being of whites is not. This is sandy ground even to argue for colorblindness and precludes any advocacy of white interests without a total replacement of values.

    “5.) There is no pressure coming at conservatives from White Nationalists that could possibly force them to move in a more pro-White direction. The pressure comes exclusively from the Left. If you want to pull the political spectrum in your direction, you must be willing to do something beyond posting anonymous comments on the internet.”

    No shit.

    “6.) After ten years of involvement in the White Nationalist scene, I haven’t seen any evidence that White Nationalists are going to get their act together anytime soon and develop a mass following. The only mass following White Nationalism has is in cyberspace where nothing that is said ultimately matters.”

    Maybe true, but that isn’t reason to think that the Tea Party will morph in WN within the decade.

    “7.) American White Nationalists have had four decades to create their own version of the BNP or Front National. The A3P is such an effort, but White Nationalists themselves won’t support their own advocates. If White Nationalists won’t support the A3P, what makes you think mainstream conservatives will flock to its standard?”

    I’m talking about what it would take, in my view, for the GOP to adopt pro-white policies. I made no comment on the likelihood of this occurring. I believe it to be low in near future. The BNP was not much bigger than the A3P until about 2000. Geert Wilders’ movement, although not really WN, didn’t exist until a few years ago and drew upon the Pym Fortuyn movement which dates to the early part of the past decade.

    The thing that both of these parties received that groups like the CofCC and A3P haven’t was heavy media attention. That made people aware of them and thousands joined, mostly people not from hardcore nationalist backgrounds. If these groups in America got as much publicity as the Tea Party, they would have a much easier time growing.

  32. Hunter Wallace:

    “Another example of White Nationalists going around the bend is the absurd idea that every victory for the Left is a secret victory for the White Nationalist movement. Obama’s election was supposed to infuriate the White masses to the point where they would embrace … National Socialism.

    Like any number of inane predictions I have seen over the years, that one didn’t materialize either.”

    How is this any different than your prediction that millions of already pissed off White people will be “polarized” beyond their current Beck-induced comas?

    You keep blathering on and on about this implicit/explicit crap like it’s a forgone conclusion that Beckites and Palinites are breathing new life into a pro-White ideology that is gaining momentum because of them. While it is true that many of the freaks and sociopaths that espouse and loudly vocalize their pro-White views are a hindrance to positive growth, it is just as true that these misfits were not able to encourage hundreds of thousands of White people to get together to vocalize their support of a racial Utopia, and outright praise MLK. In effect, the Tea Party creates a stronger unifying force for multiracialism than do the freaks of WN create division among already vocal pro-Whites.

    When was the last time thousands and thousands and thousands of White people physically got together to praise MLK and the “principles he stood for?” ………… You now have a legitimate answer to this question, courtesy of The Tea Party.

    I can tell you this with absolute clarity: Any leadership that brings about positive and lasting change to pro-White peoples will be from the center-left. The “Right” is incapable of building anything that comes with heavy scrutiny, and anything that puts an enormous amount of stigmatization at it’s doorstep. They always bend…..all ways.

    People who actually want real leadership to bring about real change don’t care how PC someone is. People who are determined to affect change are not swayed one bit by how crazy an idea may seem, as long as the idea has practical application. The Right, just like the Left, offers absolutely nothing new, nothing that isn’t just a repackaged and polished turd that always ends up stinking up the house of those stupid and naive enough to pretend like it’s anything but a turd.

  33. ATBOTL: “If we look at other countries that have developed large nationalist parties that win elections and influence the political process, they all started with small groups and grew by developing their own politicians and activists rather than co-opting “mainstream” center-right parties and their leaders.”

    But all those countries are palimentary ones with proportional representation based on party votes. The other “winner take all” “first past the post” nation I am most familiar with, the UK, has had a nationalist party for a long time and it failed to win a single seat (again) in the recent election.

    In a country where any party getting past a threshold of total vote is given a seat the idea of starting small and building up might work. In the USA we have a de-facto (and somewhat de-jure) two party system. To gain power you join one of the two parties (or take it over completely, if you have the power). The New Left seized control of the Democratic Party in the wake of the 1968 Humprey defeat. They went on to nominate a candidate of the far left, George McGovern in 1972, who Nixon trounced.

    Groups with fewer members can still have outsized power by joining the coalition of the Dems or Reps explicitly as a group. Blacks have power in the Dem out of proportion to their numbers because they effectively act as a block. Gays have taken the same route. In the GOP the anti-abortion and gun-rights groups are the most effective coalition members. Forming a “European-American Interests Caucus” in the GOP would be the fastest route to influencing power, and a sign that the entire GOP was on it’s way to becoming the de-facto White Party.

    To achieve this we would need a more subtle type of activists. Someone who could smoothly talk about European-American interests using the same language that La Raza uses: inclusion, rights, fairness, diversity. It goes without saying that such a person must have no background with Stormfront, neo-Nazi’s or perhaps even something as mild as the COC.

    Other groups have both “insider” and “outsider” activists and organizations. To date we have only “outsider” ones, so we don’t get as much influence with the GOP as we might. The anti-immigration activists are probably the closest thing to an activist, empowered pro-white proxy in the GOP ‘big tent’ today.

  34. I’m not sure Entryism is going to work in the GOP. The machinations for candidate selection seem somewhat rigged; especially at the national level, but I’m sure also among many of the larger local Parties as well.

    I’m not even sure how much electoral politics really matter in this country for that matter. If anything campaigning is where it’s at. Ron Paul did crap for votes, but he’s a household name now, and his ideas are certainly more widely known if not necessarily more popular. He lost the Primary big, but he won on metalevel, in getting his way inside the public subconcious. The BNP lost and lost for years, and are still pretty marginal, but a gain is a gain.

    Now, the big issue with any WN candidate or 3rd Party for me is that you all seem to either know jack all about politics, or don’t care about them. You have a single issue, which is pro-White, which so far seems to be an absolute stinker. Every Nationalist movement in the age of Democracy that I can think of certainly wasn’t only about ethnic self-determination, irredentism, et cetera. They had an answer to every question of policy. From what I have seen none of you could realistically agree about foreign policy, economics, energy, and most social issues. Your one unifying characteristic isn’t enough to make a sale. There is a fine line between having so big a tent that your movement is nearly nonsensical, and being so obsessed with purity you purge your movement into obscurity. Even though WNs aren’t a mass movement, you still stand closer to the former rather than the latter.

    The BNP and Front National obviously have their overarching goal of a ‘British’ Britain, and a French France, but both have specific policy and ideology of how to accomplish that goal, where as I don’t feel that WNs do. Those that will chime in saying they have a policy will wind up sounding a lot like Paul, or maybe Tancredo. Mainstream conservatives, or Libertarians. Most of you will not agree with each other on what tactics an elected politician could use to move the country in the correct direction (and I’m talking specific tactics, not general strategy, or vague ideas).

    No explicit WN party could have a platform outside of being vaguely ‘pro-White’ without being eviscerated, which is probably part of A3Ps problem to start with. I don’t even think an actual WN party would need to be explicitly racialist in its rhetoric if there was at the least an ideological core that would lay out what tactics, what policies would find positive results for the overall strategy of transforming America into the kind of country you would like to see. I say you, instead of ‘we’ as I don’t even know if that transformation is something I’d like to see, because no one can even extrapolate what the future you offer is exactly other than a White one. Not that in itself isn’t nice, but it’s not enough and it clearly isn’t resonating with many others as well.

  35. “I can tell you this with absolute clarity: Any leadership that brings about positive and lasting change to pro-White peoples will be from the center-left.”

    Does Jim Webb fit into that criteria? He’s center left.
    Are we to suppose he’ll initiate some sort of Caucasian American caucus? I don’t think so.
    In fact I don’t see any politician risking it’s political career to defend white America. It’s suicide.
    I reiterate; third party candidates opposed to feeding on the multi culti sewage this government dishes out is our best shot.
    It’s not about winning seats at this point, it’s about making those who run for office declare themselves so white citizens can see, plainly, which candidates consider their rights to be important and which do not.
    Surely third party candidates can be found who are eloquent and unapologetic. Who will stand their ground.
    This process might appear to be a slow one, but consider the speed with which obama, holder, napalitano and the rest of those governing slobs have set about criminalizing any American who opposes their vile third world agenda. An agenda dedicated to our destruction.
    Americans can see this.
    Those beckian palinite true believers were predominantly white and they were attacked for precisely that reason.
    Americans can see that too.
    Also, referendums and ballot measures opposing the same third world programs can be utilized. They don’t have to pass, the just need to be used as one of our platforms. Publicity if you will. And if one should pass, the resultant frenzy of government litigation can’t hurt us because Americans will see that too. Look at Arizona.
    Third party head bangers. Without em, we got nothing but websites and wishes.

  36. After ten years in the White Nationalist scene, I am quite familiar with pro-Whites who like to strike a leftist pose. It is one of the myriad ways that White Nationalists rhetorically distinguish themselves from conservatives in cyberspace.

    Another example of White Nationalists going around the bend is the absurd idea that every victory for the Left is a secret victory for the White Nationalist movement. Obama’s election was supposed to infuriate the White masses to the point where they would embrace … National Socialism.

    Like any number of inane predictions I have seen over the years, that one didn’t materialize either.

    The reason I try my best to use the word ‘class’ in place ‘left ring’, ‘right wing’, ‘communist’, ‘capitalist’, ‘nazi’, ‘socialist’, ‘fascist’, etc. is because I feel that these 20th century political terms have outlived their usefulness. They have been twisted to the point where they have little meaning in the context of 21st century America. They just don’t resonate with common white people anymore.

    If you really think it’s possible to build some sort of mainstream pro-white political coalition under the current federal system, you should be aiming your rhetoric at working class whites. To get their interest, you need to speak their language: class-based economics. Many of them already understand race because they aren’t walled off from the lesser races in gated communities. Their main concern is their dwindling or non-existent pensions – pensions which have been looted not only by jews but by craven jew-thinking gentiles. They’ve been robbed both by the corporations and by the unions which are supposed to be looking out for them.

    Ignoring class because it might offend some rich white guys who masturbate to images of Sarah Palin going down on Rand Paul in front of an Israeli flag and an Ayn Rand portrait is not a tactic that will build a healthy and vibrant pro-white movement. We should be targeting the white people who were working while Glen Beck and the classist teabag brigade were locking arms with their negro brother in celebration of the accomplishments of Martin Luther King.

  37. I have lived about 2/3 of my life in heavily urban, high non White areas, where all the elected officials are Democrats and the only “conservatives” out in the open are some libertarian intellectuals pushing alternative ways to help Blacks, like give the Black underclass vouchers to go to White private schools and destroy these schools the same as they destroyed the public schools.

    That said, I don’t despair as I know there are many ways to work for our people/cause within all systems, including systems like monopoly Lib Dem political control – hell, Whites in Central and Eastern Europe managed to survive and make all White societies/countries that were decent places to live after say 1960. These Whites achieved success under Communist political rule, so Whites in the US can do lots of things under liberal/Left Democrat controlled places.

    Two great areas to work in Blue State, Lib/Dem places are:

    1) Abortion rights/birth control
    2) Anti cruelty to animals

    You folks living in all White rural areas are fine to do Conservative Christian pro life activism. For us in heavy Black criminal urban areas – we’re not Pro Life, we’re for any and all kinds of birth control. The New York Times position on abortion is right for the South Bronx, Baltimore, Memphis, East St. Louis. Why should only the rich (White) women have full access to birth control, abortion rights, why not make this available to poor Black women in ghettos struggling to get education and improve their lives?

    Conservatives often moan and groan and say (White) liberals care more about animals and trees than people and in many urban areas, they are right. We like dogs and puppies more than the Michael Vicks who run brutal dog fighting rings. So as good Liberals, good “Nanny State” liberal elitists we tell certain people that they are not “free to choose” (Milton Friedman Libertarian term) to do whatever they want to do. They can’t abuse animals and we’ll use whatever force is necessary to make these NWs stop abusing animals.

    If you want to reach the hearts and minds of Whites in urban liberal areas – don’t wave the Confederate Battle Flag or try to sell Ted Nugent and his pro gun agenda, instead appeal to their love of animals and explain what the NW gangs do in their dog fighting rings.

    As for sacred Right Wing conservative positions like 2nd amendment gun rights, right to do as you please without some government “nanny state” lecturing you what to do… well, the truth is that certain groups of people in American cities don’t make very good decisions for themselves – they choose lifestyles that get them infected with AIDS, get them addicted to narcotics, get them knifed or killed – so yeah, we liberal elitists in Blue state urban areas tell certain people what they can and can’t do. We’re fine with big government stopping and searching certain groups of people on the street and taking away their guns – Non Whites should not have guns, shouldn’t be in North America trying to understand and use constitutions written by and for White British people.

  38. K(yle), the vast majority of WN are ideologically similar to paleo-conservatives. They are against big government, gun control, free trade and globalism and for cultural conservatism, states’ rights, fiscal conservatism and non-interventionism.

    Hunter, should I resubmit my reply again or is it going to pop up at some point?

  39. Hunter said:
    “If I remember correctly, and I closely followed the amnesty debate at the time, it was Republican Senators like Jeff Sessions and Jim DeMint who stopped the Bush amnesty, along with the enraged conservative base led by organizations like Numbers USA.”

    So Jeffy and Jimmy should get medals for playing defense? I laud their efforts but what have they or the Republicans done to deport illegals and secure the border? The thought of going on the offensive and relentlessly attacking the left is a foreign concept to them. If the Republicans recapture the House and gain seats in the Senate I guarantee they’ll stall on border security and refuse to deport any illegal aliens. But they’ll bluff and bluster, lower our taxes and launch more wars for Israel. All the while our demographic implosion proceeds apace.

    Once the media and militant wetback lobby begins attacking the Republicans as racists they’ll wave the white flag of surrender just like they always do. To anyone who disagrees you can look at the words and actions of tea party personalities once the media labeled them as klansmen without sheets. Since then the movement has been dedicated to minority outreach/anti-racist all day, every day 24/7 culminating in Beck’s multi-faith freak show.

    On the one hand WN’s who believe that deteriorating social conditions work in our favor are mocked but the belief that Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and their new anti-racist shtick are covert white nationalists who are deceptively yet cleverly “moving the goalposts” by staging a rally honoring MLK and the civil rights movement is the work of a sane and rational mind.

    Sometime soon I expect secret WN’s Beck and Palin to begin promoting Hindu turned Catholic for political expediency but implicitly white Bobby Jindal for president in 2012. That should really fool the white hating leftists.

  40. Dave Logsdon: “You would think that with our people’s creativity and intelligence we could come up with a street-legal WN 101 universal and basic enough to help the newly enlightened avoid the pitfalls and help those stuck on what to do to at least move forward.”

    If you cannot join an organization that already exists, I suppose you have to start something yourself if possible. First, you find out what organizations like the CoCC are doing, then you imitate them or try to improve on them. And still later, you write a manual to help others.

    Political action on the ground is going to be slow work. I think one possible way to go about it is to engage in community building for white people, with only a measure of explicit pro-white political activism. In that way, you get something out of it for yourself, you are less vulnerable to burnout, and you will be less disappointed if the political part doesn’t pan out. The community building has to be between white people only. I suppose that kind of thing already exists, especially to provide white comrades to children. In any case, regardless of political action, Whites have to organize into communities and help one another, so as not to be alone against the system.

    “Many have sampled the WN sites and organizations. Their two offered choices are to rant and read as a major hobby in the closet or …”

    I suspect there are a number of people who are White Nationalists on the internet, and active members of the Republican party in real life. Internet is great for the discussion of principles and general ideas, but in the real world, you must pursue specific goals.

  41. Mr. Dithers,

    1.) Yes, Jeff Sessions and Jim DeMint are worth more than 30,000+ internet White Nationalists who talk hard on the internet but do absolutely nothing to change our circumstances in real life.

    2.) The Republicans who were soft on illegal immigration (i.e., Larry Craig, Arlen Specter, Sam Brownback, etc.) are no longer in the Senate. Most of them. There have always been a number of Republicans who get high marks on immigration from NumbersUSA.

    3.) 99.9% of the White Nationalist movement is bluffing and blustering in cyberspace. That is why I started looking elsewhere.

    4.) There were enough Republicans in the House and Senate to block the Bush amnesty. There are more of these now. That is a good thing for anyone who seriously cares about ending Third World immigration.

    5.) Deteriorating social conditions DO NOT work in the favor of the White Nationalist movement. The economy collapsed and a mulatto was elected president.

    Instead of joining the White Nationalist movement, ordinary White people created the Tea Party. This will happen time and time again because the White Nationalist movement has nothing to offer anyone who wants to change the status quo.

    6.) A year ago, there was a lot of buzz about Bobby Jindal running for president, but I don’t see much enthusiasm for his candidacy these days.

  42. Celestial Time,

    1.) I will let the November election results speak for the polarization that I have described.

    2.) I have not said that Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are breathing new life into the White Nationalist movement. Clearly, that is not the case. Instead, they have provided an alternative, one with more appeal to ordinary people that has sent them in the right direction.

    3.) Umm … every town in America has a street named after MLK. You are acting like that represents some kind of big change. MLK has been a demigod in America for upwards of twenty or thirty years now. Certainly since I was born.

    4.) MLK himself invoked Lincoln and Jefferson – both of whom were White separatists – to lend legitimacy to his agenda. What Glenn Beck is doing is no different.

    5.) The only people who think the Tea Party is creating a stronger form of multiracialism are White Nationalists and Neo-Nazis. The NAACP has emphatically rejected that idea.

    6.) In 1963, thousands of blacks joined Martin Luther King … at the Lincoln Memorial … to hear the “I Have a Dream” speech. Abraham Lincoln, of course, attempted to colonize emancipated slaves in Latin America to create a racially homogeneous America.

    7.) The Center Left is pro-White? Bill Clinton? Joe Lieberman? Blanche Lincoln?

    8.) Once again, it was the hated conservatives and the anti-illegal immigration organizations like NumbersUSA who stopped the Bush amnesty, not White Nationalists.

    9.) Can you point to any practical White Nationalist solution? Where are the White Nationalist groups with practical solutions that can work that succeed in the existing political spectrum?

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