Response to Mark Vogl

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Here’s the link to the SNN podcast with Mark Vogl about how the Southern movement ought to be based on anti-slavery and anti-racism.

My thoughts:

Slavery

1.) Slavery is the only reason a single African-American was ever brought to the South. That’s because slave labor was the only compelling argument that ever justified their presence here.

2.) The average single black woman in 2012 has a net worth of $5 dollars. That’s over a 99 percent depreciation since 1861.

3.) After 147 years of free society, the average negro household has a net worth of $2,100. That’s also over a 95 percent decline since 1861.

4.) With the stroke of a pen, the Emancipation Proclamation transformed America’s black population from an economic asset worth more than all of its banks, railroads, and factories combined into its single biggest economic albatross.

5.) The Mississippi Valley used to be one of the richest parts of America. Now it is the poorest region in America thanks to the abolition of slavery.

6.) Economically speaking, abolition was an unmitigated catastrophe that plunged the South – slaveholders and non-slaveholders alike – into generations of poverty that only began to subside almost a century later due to war related military spending.

7.) Seeing as how no one is calling for the restoration of slavery (2 percent of the population works in agriculture today, 98 percent of them are White), there is no rational argument for the continued presence (now that the slavery argument is gone) of such a large population of free negroes on our soil.

Ethnicity

1.) The idea that African-Americans and White Southerners are the same people is a romantic fantasy that has utterly no basis in fact.

56 percent of blacks live in the South. 46 percent of them live in the North and West. Blacks are a distinct ethnic group with a strong racial identity who nurse historical grievances against White Southerners.

2.) The Southern movement appeals exclusively to a handful of black eccentrics. There are outliers in every community. These people will always be regarded as race traitors in the black community.

3.) Blacks have made their hostile attitude toward the Confederacy plainly clear on numerous occasions.

4.) Paying H.K. Edgerton thousands of dollars to speak and sing at Southern heritage events accomplished nothing other than projecting an image of weakness that invited further aggression against Southern heritage.

5.) Fantasies of “Black Confederates” aside, the only people who have a stake in preserving Confederate heritage are the descendants of real Confederates, which is to say, the traditional White Anglo-Celtic population of the South.

6.) Far from being the same people, there is probably no greater example of racial and ethnic polarization in America than the gulf between White Southerners and African-Americans.

White Southerners have far more in common with White Northerners than with African-Americans. Even the Whites of Vermont are objectively less polarized against us!

7.) As a matter of fact, the only people who actually do take an interest in preserving Southern heritage are our own people – not counting the smattering of black eccentrics who are used as props to “prove” the South is not racist.

8.) Vogl is right that his generation has presided over the delegitimization of the South on the grounds of “anti-racism” and “anti-slavery” – and affirming those counterculture values will only further delegitimize the South and make the situation worse than it is now.

9.) African-Americans won’t even support the GOP. Isn’t it a stretch to say they would ever take an interest in Southern nationalism?

10.) White Southerners are a distinct European people of predominantly British descent – a sub-nation with a shared history, culture, and ancestry – and we will survive or perish on that basis.

Racism

1.) The term “racism” made its debut in America in an anti-fascist pamphlet in the 1930s. It was unknown to the ancients whether Christian or otherwise.

2.) “Racism” is a cockamamie sin created by European leftists. Other examples include homophobia, nativism, and sexism.

3.) Jesus himself said nothing about “racism.” The church fathers and the writers of the gospels said nothing about “racism.” The idea that racial prejudice is immoral isn’t found anywhere in the Bible or in the Christian tradition until well into the twentieth century.

4.) Needless to say, “anti-racism” couldn’t be more opposed to the traditions of the Old South which was violently opposed to social equality.

5.) Neither Greeks or Romans or their Medieval successors or even most modern philosophers up to the twentieth century associated “racism” with immorality.

6.) It is fairly clear that the crusade against “racism” has its origins among Christian heretics like the Quakers and Unitarians, radical leftwing Jewry, and international communism.

7.) The idea that “racism” is synonymous with immorality is about as old as Rock ‘n Roll. It was gaining currency around the time that Elvis was becoming popular.

8.) A much more plausible theory is that anti-racism is just another stupid fad like disco or hip hop propagated by television in twentieth century America.

9.) Racial differences exist. Blacks are not equal to Whites. Vogl would have us believe that God himself created the humans races, but considers it a “sin” to acknowledge their existence, even though the idea was unknown to Jesus and the church fathers.

10.) In the podcast, Vogl compares “racism” to adultery – hey, that’s revising the Ten Commandments. Are modern American Baby Boomers smarter than God?

11.) The people who want to participate in the struggle against “racism” can join the Democratic Party or send a contribution to the SPLC. Better yet, they can join the Republican Party and continue trying to “prove” they are not racist.

12.) There seems to be a pretty strong correlation between “anti-racism” and hating the South and hating Confederate heritage – so obviously, the South’s own advocates should embrace this cultural disease in the vain hope that it will cease to be a life threatening condition.

13.) Nasty old racists like Thomas Dixon, Margaret Mitchell, and Pitchfork Ben Tillman succeeded in preserving Confederate heritage whereas their anti-racist successors like Connie Chastain completely failed.

History

1.) The Confederacy really was based on the defense of slavery and white supremacy.

2.) The myth of Black Confederates has been debunked by historians and its perpetuation brings the Southern movement into disrepute.

3.) The U.S. Colored Troops were very real. What percentage of the black population fought for the Union?

4.) If slavery was so popular among blacks, why don’t they clamor for its restoration?

5.) Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens both described slavery as the immediate cause of disunion.

6.) The South was a “racist” society for three centuries. Is it really wise for defenders of the South to argue that our whole civilization was based on sin and immorality?

7.) Vogl is arguing from a position to the left of Andrew Johnson and even the most extreme scalawags.

Christianity

1.) Michael has already pointed out that Jesus and the church fathers were familiar with slavery and never felt compelled to condemn the institution.

2.) If anything is true, the Bible seems to affirm slavery. Much of Greco-Roman philosophy also explicitly affirms slavery. As far as our ancestors knew, slavery was morally legitimate

3.) “Racism” wasn’t an issue during Antiquity and the Middle Ages. The term “racism” didn’t exist until the twentieth century. The majority of White Americans didn’t consider “racism” or “racial prejudice” morally problematic until after the Second World War.

4.) As for Adam and Eve, I seem to recall the story of the “fall” being in there somewhere. It is central to the story.

5.) In the 1990s, the Southern Baptist Convention discovered that “racism” was a sin. If this was always so obvious, why did it take so long? Maybe Christians are just trying to accommodate fashionable secular trends in American popular culture.

Practical Politics

1.) The internet is a free market of opinion: the anti-racist faction of the Southern movement is free to make its case on the basis of anti-racism and anti-slavery, but the racialist and pro-slavery faction is also free to compete with that position – I predict the latter will win the contest in the long run.

2.) Why would anyone want to secede from the Union who supports BRA? Why go through all the trouble?

3.) The anti-racist faction of Southern nationalism pitched their tent a long time ago. What do they have to show for all those H.K. Edgerton rallies? What do they have to show for parading around with black eccentrics to “prove” they are not racists? What do they have to show for all their Black Confederate research?

4.) I suppose the idea was to gain “mainstream credibility” or “respectability” … well, if that was the case, then the “mainstream” must not have been paying attention because they are just as marginalized as ever before.

5.) The NAACP continues to attack them. The media hasn’t stopped attacking them. These “Southern heritage activists” continue to lose battles like Lexington or Caddo Parish in spite of their full throated embrace of BRA.

6.) According to the MSM, the Tea Party is racist. The Republican Party is racist. Rush Limbaugh is a racist. Guess what? If you disagree with progressives, then you will be labeled and smeared as a racist.

7.) Isn’t it strange how the Baby Boomers who embraced anti-racism are the only generation who has failed to preserve our heritage? Why should we follow their failed example?

8.) What this really all boils down to is pandering to fashionable nonsense about race (the SN equivalent of churches embracing gay marriage and female clergy) in the hope that it will marginally improve the receptivity of the public to Southern nationalism.

It doesn’t. The result is more like deafening silence because it offers no compelling reason for anyone to abandon the dominant, safe, race blind “mainstream” conservatism and voting for the GOP.

9.) Because of the errors of the previous generation who bet the house on “mainstream” conservatism, we have lost control of our culture. Accommodating the dominant American culture will expedite the demise of Southern culture.

10.) The public knows a weak horse when they see it. They will back the strong horse.

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50 Comments

  1. In any debate or discussion like this, it is critical to identify the central issue(s) one wishes to debate. That is, to accept the terms of the debate as about slavery or racism is, more or less, to lose the debate except in the most unusual arena.

    May I suggest that you pick different topics like respect for the centuries of English-speaking residents in the South, or heroic founders & defenders of the South, or education & enterprise in the South, or the absence of trickster high finance in the South historically, or something like that. No one may be forced to stay with another person’s topic, and one should feel free to change the topic.

    We had something like this with Noel Ignatiev shortly after his book about “how the Irish became white’ was published in 1995, and we changed the topic to his hatreds for the Irish people and his ignorance about their history. We won the debate…it was conducted over the Internet and he used to keep a copy of the transcript on his web site.

  2. Slavery is the only reason a single African-American was ever brought the South. That’s because slave labor was the only compelling argument that ever justified their presence here.

    This is why slavery was the worst thing to ever happen to this country. That is why I have no problem with being both pro-white and anti-slavery.

  3. With the stroke of a pen, the Emancipation Proclamation transformed America’s black population from an economic asset worth more than all of its banks, railroads, and factories combined into its single biggest economic albatross.

    This is why blacks should have been shipped back to Africa when slavery ended. In the long term, the cost would have been greatly exceeded by the benefit.

  4. Economically speaking, abolition was an unmitigated catastrophe that plunged the South – slaveholders and non-slaveholders alike – into generations of poverty that only began to subside almost a century later due to war related military spending.

    The biggest problem with abolition was letting the blacks stay in America. If they had been sent back to Africa, the South would have been much better off.

  5. I hate the way some folks portray Dixie as multi ethnic, truly progressive etc. However, I do think the wise move is for our more eloquent spokes men to go somewhat easy on the race question and let the presence our rougher men doing the real speaking on race

  6. Anyone who advocates the multiculti South is attempting Reconstruction again.
    They are modern scalawags who think you can just stick a Confederate flag on it and that makes it okay.

    Stonelifter, while I agree that “the nail that sticks up is the one that gets hammered,” without speaking against such trash, we let our enemies further poison the discourse against our people. There will be a time for action soon enough.

    Actions do speak louder than words.

    Deo Vindice

  7. Of course, if the abolitionists had been stopped, the matter would have eventually resolved itself without the most destructive war in our history. Technological progress rendered sharecropping obsolete.

  8. 2.) The Southern movement appeals exclusively to a handful of black eccentrics. There are outliers in every community. These people will always be regarded as race traitors in the black community.

    Off CNN …..

    ” Black South Carolina Student Embraces & Defends Confederate Flag ” 3:30 min

  9. I’m not advocating for advocating for a multi cultural South; I’m advocating for a realization that most folks aren’t ready for the full blown race realist perspective and our argument should target our audience

  10. 3.) Jesus himself said nothing about “racism.” The church fathers and the writers of the gospels said nothing about “racism.” The idea that racial prejudice is immoral isn’t found anywhere in the Bible or in the Christian tradition until well into the twentieth century.

    This is the problem: it isn’t spelled out.

    But isn’t miscegenation prohibited in the bible, so by default it supports racism?

  11. “In any debate or discussion like this, it is critical to identify the central issue(s) one wishes to debate. That is, to accept the terms of the debate as about slavery or racism is, more or less, to lose the debate except in the most unusual arena.”

    Well said, Managing Centricity. This is the critical point.

    Stonelifter, I do agree that your recommended approach is prudent. I would never confuse that with mulitculti advocacy. You are as far from that as possible.

    As Hunter points out, a Southern movement based on anti-slavery and anti-racism is not only fraudulent, but it really does offer no compelling reason to abandon the status quo.

    Outlier’s example of the black student demonstrates this handily. The black student is easily dismissed as a crank. His “free speech” can be tolerated, while anything similar from a white student would be dealt with in the most draconian manner possible.

    The net result is actually even worse than the status quo. It enshrines the principle that the negro is endowed with rights that the white must be denied. The historical burden of white guilt writ large. Some people are just more equal than others, it would seem.

    This type of historical revisionism, allegedly in the service of a higher cause, should be rejected. Veiling the truth is a short term strategy of limited utility, a shallow manipulative technique that can easily backfire. It is unsustainable.

    Ultimately, it is a lie that only serves to further debase our people.

    Deo Vindice

  12. I just wanted to be clear, especially for the new readers, Apuleius. I reckon it don’t take much time at all to figure out I’m 180 degrees out of phase from BRA. Hell I don’t even support multi ethnic White nations.

    The Old Testament comes down pretty hard miscegenation; like excludes half breeds up to 10 generations on some things. I would say that’s a pretty clear statement of non-support. Of course I’m not as smart as them jews, liberals and what not….. which is probably why I don’t fall for slicks selling moonbeams

  13. Marx was quite dismissive about the Union.

    He salted his correspondence with antiblack stuff.

    He was also a big fan of European conquests in Africa.

  14. The debate could also be led in the direction of slavery not being a particularly Southern institution. It was prevalent throughout most of the New World, had existed since the dawn of time in the Old, and exists today. To lay slavery at the foot of the South is ridiculous. Most the ships that brought them were from states like Rhode Island.

    Once directed down this path, the next step is to further change the debate to how slavery was ended in America. Why it took a major war and 600,000 to 800,000 dead white men, when it could have been ended peacefully as in Brazil. Also, discuss how different black culture/race is from white/western. They have 53 or so countries that can be compared and contrasted. You can bet the equality crowd does NOT want to go there.

  15. The debate could also be led in the direction of slavery not being a particularly Southern institution.

    ” Islam and Slavery” 9 min

  16. The most startling point is that Negroes as property contributed greatly to the economy. As “people” they fail time and time again. This delusion that Negroes are capable of participating in civilization as anything less than chattel must be overturned or civilization shall certainly be lost.

  17. 6.) It is fairly clear that the crusade against “racism” has its origins among Christian heretics like the Quakers and Unitarians, radical leftwing Jewry, and international communism.

    If firt time readers want a history of communism, then watch these:

    ” The Bloody History of Communism ” 14 parts

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIeics8jHUY

    Btw, Marx and Lenin and most of the hierarchy were Jews.

  18. The left wants you to “tail gate” by wandering off in your pet project direction, mumbling or shrieking your facts and in the end being as effective as a crazy street preacher.

    “Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White and nothing more, and this crank Vogl is an anti-White or he is a symp for anti-white causes, period end of story.

  19. 13.) Nasty old racists like Thomas Dixon, Margaret Mitchell, and Pitchfork Ben Tillman succeeded in preserving Confederate heritage whereas their anti-racist successors like Connie Chastain completely failed.

    Margaret Mitchell was considered a racist, at least by the standards of her time? I’d never heard that, to be honest. And I was a bit startled once when I flew into Charlotte, landing just in time to catch some sort of bizarre Scarlett O’Hara song and dance revue that they apparently did several times a day on the main concourse. Nobody seemed offended or put out by the whole thing, and it seemed to be a big hit with all the Japanese tourists. This might have been pre-9/11, but I’m afraid my memory is failing me here on the exact time frame.

    1.) The Confederacy really was based on the defense of slavery and white supremacy.
    In 1860 I think you’d have had a hard time finding many Yankees-on-the-street opposed to the presence of slavery where it already existed, and certainly not as grounds for war. (Hell, one of the most profitable lines of insurance for Aetna was related to fugitive slaves, circa the 1850s. Though somehow I doubt you’d get them to admit that today. Rather amusing to think that their Hartford, CT company headquarters was [and is] about a stone’s throw away from Harriet Beecher Stowe’s house.) It was slavery’s expansion that caused problems in many more Northern minds.

    And I’ll immediately concede that my position is far from air-tight, given the clear antipathy of Northerners across the board to enforce the fugitive slave laws. But that candidly seems almost an anomaly to my eyes. It is almost as if as long as it was down there they were tolerant of it, but dropped on their doorstep it became another matter entirely. Perhaps I am understating the problem? But it hardly seems a large enough matter threaten slavery as an institution in the South.

    Certainly the “defense of slavery” hamstrung the CSA in the international arena. France wouldn’t do anything except in cooperation with Britain, and the British as a whole seemed to take a dimmer view of slavery than even the North. And of course matters weren’t helped that the collection of imbeciles the CSA kept sending to London were no match for Charles Francis Adams, though all Adams ultimately had to do was step aside and watch them offend the British time and again.

    3.) The U.S. Colored Troops were very real. What percentage of the black population fought for the Union?

    That I’m not sure of, but I’ve seen it claimed that 20% of all USA soldiers who served were Colored. (That figure seems high to me, but I guess it is inside the realm of possibility, especially since I’ve not seen a break-out of front-line vs. “support;” e.g. porters, wagoneers and so on.) I do know that Thaddeus Stevens took a trip South once Sherman broke through to the sea for no other purpose than to lecture him about his refusal to accept under his command any Colored troops. Sherman essentially told him to go to hell, though I think he did ultimately cave. (See Southern Storm: Sherman’s March to the Sea for a discussion of Sherman and Stevens’ tete a tete)

  20. If you do your reading, you will find marx changed his mind about the War of northern Aggression; initially he was against it but changed his mind when lincoln made freeing slaves an issue.

    I think its documented at lew rockwells webpage in the king lincoln section, or some such name

  21. Tamer,

    That’s a good point. Even Karl Marx wasn’t an anti-racist. Communism was anti-racist though by the time of the Soviet Union in the 1920s. It was a source of tension between Moscow and the American Communist Party.

  22. Of course the crusade against “race prejudice” is older than communism. It originated among Yankee “altruistic punishers” like John Brown. See Jared Taylor’s latest article about pathological altruism on Amren.

    I hate Quakers and Unitarians. I’m not a fan of evangelical Christianity either.

  23. and here’s the link

    Karl Marx himself wrote Lincoln on January 28, 1865 to say, “Sir: We congratulate the American people upon your re-election by a large majority.” In the same letter Marx assured Lincoln that the European communist movement was with him: “From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class,” the father of totalitarian communism wrote. (This and other of Marx’s writings can be found at http://www.marxists.org.)

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo77.html

  24. As for U.S. Colored Troops, I recall it being a huge number. I don’t remember the exact figure. It utterly discredits the myth of the loyal Sambo though.

    Note: Even in Gone With The Wind, Big Sam and the field negroes abandon Tara. The house slaves stay behind.

  25. Marx borrowed heavily from Darwin, and Darwin recognized that the white race was superior to negros and asians. In fact, he predicted they would be exterminated at some point due to their backwards qualities. Ironically, africans and chinese seem to have a default preference for communism.

    ” Darwin invented RACISM. ” 7 min

  26. 150,000 soldiers (porters mainly) in the Union 1864 onward were black.
    About the same number as the Irish. 1/2 that of the Germans. The Confederates should have shoved them all out their territory at the initiation of hostilities. Overwhelm the enemy with starving refugees on their border. See how the Turk dealt with the Armenians.

    Very well have you freedom! very well, have your pets to care for!

  27. Well found Stone. I’ve read contradictory statements. Interesting find though. Were is that letter kept?

  28. The Quaker David Hackett Fischer can write though, I would recomend his book on the Battle of Trenton and the winter campaigns in New Jersey. And he leaves his biases out of it at least in the explicit sense.

  29. Thank you sir but I don’t know John, I followed the link but don’t recall if I found the original source. This is supposed to be from marx,

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm

    apparently lincoln was happy to have marx’s support; written reply form Ambassador Adams

    Sir:

    I am directed to inform you that the address of the Central Council of your Association, which was duly transmitted through this Legation to the President of the United [States], has been received by him.

    So far as the sentiments expressed by it are personal, they are accepted by him with a sincere and anxious desire that he may be able to prove himself not unworthy of the confidence which has been recently extended to him by his fellow citizens and by so many of the friends of humanity and progress throughout the world.

    I have also read a lot speculation that lincoln was a fan of marx but I’ve not really tracked it down. Can’t hate the bastard anymore then I already do so why bother?

    The Confederates should have understood how vile yankees are and set up a shadow govt, got their ducks lined up then acted or follow Jackson advice early in the war and laid waste to the north. Nothing else would have worked, but being men of honor they did not understand how despicable yankees are

    a belief in evolution, carried to its logical conclusion demands a belief in one race being better than another

  30. Marx simply didn’t want Anglo Saxons enslaving anyone. He probably smiled down on various his brethren in the Bolshevik party who enslaved the Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Czechs, Hungarians and East Germans.

    I recall him saying that the slave emancipation was a banal victory. He saw it as a stepping stone only.

  31. another book about the tyrant

    in part it says

    have provided an exhaustively researched treatment of the connections of Lincoln’s enthusiastic immigrant supporters with the communists’ movements of Europe, then and later. ………………

    examine the role of the “Forty-Eighters”-veterans of the eighteen interconnected revolutions that convulsed Europe in 1848-1849-in creating the Republican Party, bringing Lincoln to power, and conducting the war against the South

    These other Europeans were not our friends and allies and will not be in the future

    http://www.amazon.com/Lincolns-Marxists-Al-Benson-Jr/dp/158980905X/ref=pd_sim_b_3

  32. The Northern slave runners up north ( Newport, Rhode Island) were Jews. The owners of the largest plantations down south ( 1,000 or more slaves) were Jews, to a large degree. The Secretary of War and the Secretary of State for the Confederacy was a Jew — Judah Philip Benjamin — foreign born no less, and a member of the Queen’s Council, too boot. Benjamin and the Jews who owned the largest plantations down south , along with the Northern Jew slave runners up North , along with bankers both north and south, as well as big-shots ( both jew and christian) north and south, fomented the war of 1861. Slavery was becoming increasingly unprofitable to them. They wanted to get rid of slavery because it was becoming unprofitable to them. The economic system based on slavery was then transformed/transitioned into an economic system based on corporate monopoly. That’s why immediately after the war the “Robber Barons” took over the economy. It was all done on purpose ( The War) because slavery was becoming increasingly unprofitable to the big-shots.
    And while it’s true the Yankees went overboard in putting down the South, it’s also true the Southerners started the war in the first place. It’s also true there was more opposition to the war in the North than there was in the South. Lincoln threw many Northerners in prison because of the great opposition of Northerners to the war ; Lincoln pretty much had to stomp on the Constitution to keep the Northerners inline and onboard with the War agenda. The Northerners– on a per capita basis– were alot more opposed to the war than the Southerners were ; That’s a major reason why Lincoln had to bring in so many mercenary immigrants to help fight the war. Alot of Northerners were against the war, they saw the war for what it was really all about. The Southerners ( at least some who write in to “OD” ) have yet to understand that it was their own Southern big-shots ( to a very extremely large degree) who fomented the war in the first place as a giant cover-up to hide the fact the big-shot large plantation owners wanted to end slavery and transition the economic system into to a more profitable economic system (at least for the big-shots). That’s why the slave based economy immediately turned into the Robber Baron, corporate -monopoly based economy immediately after the war. It was all planned ; The war ; The turmoil : The ending of slavery and the beginning of corporate monopoly. Many Sotherners (big-shot jews and big-shot christians) played a very significant role in the destruction of the South. The big-shot Southerners are just as culpable in “unleashing” the former slaves against the average middle-class/working-class Southerners as any Northern big-shot.
    The carpetbaggers that swarmed over the South, by the way, were mostly newly arrived Jews from Eastern Europe. Hardly any of the carpet-baggers were founding stock Yankees. Again, the big-shot Southern Jews had their hand in that also. The big-shot Jews (and non-Jewish big-shots) who had owned the largest plantations before the war did not suffer the consequences of Reconstruction as did the average Southerner ; They very easily and very smoothly transitioned into the new corporate-based Robber Baron economy while the average Southerners were left to deal with the “negro problem”.
    I know the Northerners committed atrocities down South– I’m not condoning that. Not at all. The Southerners didn’t deserve that. Still, the Southeners are not innocent. The Southerners — especially the big-shot Southerners– are just as culpable for what happened down South as the Northern big-shots and the the yankee army. Southerners who think otherwise are greatly fooling themselves.
    The English and the Brazilians managed to transition from slavery to a corporate-monopoly based economy without war, but the Southerners didn’t have the presence of mind, or the common-sense, to do the same. The Southerners Wanted War ; And They Got It. The Southerners Got What They Wanted : WAR.
    Tough Shit –> You Lost. Tough Shit –> You Southerners Lost The War “Ya’all” Started In The First place. Go Cry To Mammy. She’ll Kiss Your Boo-Boo. Then go have yourselves a shot of good ‘ole jack daniels, then pick-yourselves -up and learn to deal with the real world of reality. Mammy ain’t be aroun’ any more. She be gone with the wind.

  33. marxs was the enemy of White men the progressives of today are as well since their actions are anti White which makes sense when you understand their ideological roots are anti White

  34. jew I mean joe, go troll some place else. why do anti Whites insist on being somewhere they are not wanted? Same goes for fags wanting to be in the military, negros wanting to be in the Augusta Country Club, women wanting to be in all male clubs etc etc. Our enemy is always predicable on these things

  35. Google “Marx and the American civil war”

    “de Presse” was a paper he wrote for in German he also wrote for a New York paper.

    Marx actually used “four million white trash” to describe the Southerners.

  36. “Aeternum Servans Sub Pectore Vulnus”
    “Nursing an everlasting wound within the breast”.
    Southerners need to leave their past behind and learn to deal with reality. The reality is : Slavery ain’t comin back. Jim Crow ain’t comin back. A Southern president — Wilson–signed the bill that gave jews all the power to print money in the US [ giving jews all power to make government policy in the country : Federal policy as well as all State(s) policies ]. And a Southern president- Johnson- sent troops to integrate the south also . Plenty of Southern lawmakers signed on to these policies ; Their signatures are inscribed on the laws just as much as Northern signatures. Slavery ain’t comin’ back. Jim Crow ain’t comin’ back. Doesn’t matter who likes it, or doesn’t like it. It’s just a force of history : A force of history that Southerners are just as culpable in putting into motion as anyone else. Deal with it, preferably without temper tantrums, and without crying like babies.

  37. http://www.isreview.org/issues/80/feat-civilwar.shtml

    this socialist is very keen on having Marx seen as pro abolition pro Lncoln anti Confederate. I’ve read accounts of Marx poo pooing the effects of the civil war calling it a banal accomplishment.

    It’s interesting in the light of Kevin McDonald’s views to see that Marx characterized the Confederates as “Four Million White Trash”. That’s ethnic jealousy and Jew particularism if I ever saw it.

  38. anti Whites like joe all whine about Whites standing up and making legitimate complaints about injustice toward Whites

  39. Mike Carroll has been on fire over the past couple of months – he’s posted new 10 videos since May 22.

    The guy is seriously conflicted: on one hand he hates whites as is evident from his website; but on the other hand, he bashes blacks for being anti-intellectual and dysfunction.

  40. More like 4 million who got the wool pulled over their eyes ; More like 4 million who willingly allowed themselves be fooled, unfortunately.
    Between “Jew particularism” and “Christian sheepism” we’re all f*cked– north, south, east, and west. Life is not an Andy Griffith episode.White Christians, “Gentile Christians” and all Christians ( sincere to nominal to outright rejecting) are just way too naive — or so we pretend. Plenty of non-jewish whites profit and benefit from “jew” policies and “jew particularism”. When everything turns to shit, the same christians who profited from the “jew” policies they supported all along , then turn around and blame the jews as if they, the christians who profited from the “jew” policies, are blameless. What lies we tell ourselves. All the smirks in the world can’t cover up our own culpability concerning the state of the country.
    The White Race was supposed to be the guardians and the gatekeepers of the USA, but we collectively decided to do things the “jew” way. Reap what you sow like men. Stop crying about the jews so much . Look at your own faults. We whites have plenty of faults. That’s why we’re in such a big mess– all over the West. If we don’t examine our own faults — with the goal of changing our collective behavior– nothing good is going to accrue to white Americans. All the crying and complaining about jews and/or blacks is not going to change a thing. Things will only change for the better when we whites change for the better. That’s the only way. One thing that needs to be addressed is how “innocent” we all act about things– everything is the jews fault and/or the blacks fault. Couldn’t possibly be “us” : “We’re” sterling. We’re “good”. We’re “innocent”. What a pile of shit : Like the smirk of a Missouri snake-oil salesmen.

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