Gustavo Arellano attacks White organizing, Whites reply

There’s a very interesting scene playing out over at the Orange County Weekly:

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/school-daze/notorious-jew-bashing-long-bea/index.php

Potty mouthed Gustavo Arellano breaks the news of a new political party originating in Southern California, the “American Third Position Party,” started by a lawyer in Los Angeles.

I can just see Arellano’s writing coaching session with Mark Potok:

 

“OK, Gustavo, make sure you use the words, “notorious, racist, fascist, skinhead” and in front of all those words, write that those notorious fascist racist skinheads intend to “deport all non-whites.”

Any sign of White organizing along the lines of what the ADL, NAACP and La Raza do is “notorious racist fascist skinheads.”

NOTORIOUS.  RACIST.  FASCIST.

That’s his whole article, in three words.

Comments are open since I last checked, and Arellano is actively replying to commenters.

The vast majority of the comments are White advocacy, and the theme of the obvious, glaring double standards, is repeated again and again.  Again and again.

Here’s a sample, in case they get deleted over there:

CHS says:

I wonder if any of these turkeys have ever been pulled over for “driving while white.” Didn’t think so.
Posted On: Monday, Jan. 4 2010 @ 10:06PM
ASE says:

It’s clear to me that the writer of the article is the racist. Why can’t white Americans have representation?
Posted On: Monday, Jan. 4 2010 @ 10:54PM
Gustavo Arellano says:

You already do, idiot, along with everyone else. Spare us the victim game—whites are oppressed the way Nazis like wabs.
Posted On: Monday, Jan. 4 2010 @ 11:03PM
Kill All Whites says:

Good job, Nick. Let’s not rest until the last White is gone.
Posted On: Monday, Jan. 4 2010 @ 11:48PM
Special Ed Teacher says:

“You know, because all those white men and women in Congress, the Senate, and 95-some percent of American legislative bodies just don’t cut it!”

Just because a representative happens to be white, black or brown doesn’t mean they’re going to necessarily vote in the best interest of their racial group.

Such an obvious point I can’t believe I need to spell it out, but you’re welcome.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 12:21AM
People_In_Denial says:

Apparently, there are quite a few ignorant **** that reads your article Gus.

ASE: Going against a political group because of their idea is not racist. A political group with plans to target specific ethnicity is racist.

Man, am I missing something about white representation? I live in a city that’s run by white(where 40% are Latinos), a few neighbors that don’t like the fact that I am the only non-white on the street, almost a 100% of the PD in the city is white, my boss is white, his boss is white, and that continues all the way up to the CEO. Where do you live? In Chinatown? Do you even get out of your house?
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 12:39AM
People_In_Denial says:

So Special_Ed_Teacher, are you saying that there is a conspiracy by the whites in the government to overrun their own race? Someone call the FBI, CIA, the NSA, we have some race traitors in the government. Oh hang on, who voted them into office? By golly it’s the people, so they must be on it too. The majority of the white population is electing officials into office that wants to wipe out their own race… Do you want to add any Alien conspiracy theory while you are at it?
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 12:45AM
NewYorkRob says:

I’m sure members of this alternative party have been “Robbed While White” to respond to CHS.

There seems to be alot of White hatred in the comments. I’m understanding why there should be a party that is concerned about the interests of White people. Similar to the “Latino” vote, the “Jewish” vote, the “African-American” vote and so on. There should be a “European-American” voting block. After all Whites are the majority. This is majority rule, not minority tyranny.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 12:52AM
A Concerned Citizen says:

Where is the same moral outrage concerning groups such as the NAACP, La Raza, or the thousands of various ethnic organizations that make it their explicit business to promote the ethnic interests of specific racial and cultural groups.

The fact is, Gustavo Arellano, I see more ad- hominem attacks (what one could define as “hate”) in your one article than I do on the whole ATP website.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:22AM
Cesar says:

Another reason to hate Long Beach State. Go Titans! Oh, wait, we had Tom Metzger televising his shit from the basement of our school library, right next door to our EOP offices.
Damn these neo-nazis, they are like cockroaches since they can’t be killed off. Let them secede. HB is already their fiefdom.
Will David Duke be named their party chairman? Indeed, a fresh new breed, look, and feel of mainstream vitriolic hatred.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:31AM
OCforJustice says:

Regardless of race, all cultures and humanitarians of color should be granted equal opportunity. However no one says anything when Loretta Sanchez or Maxine waters speak in favor of $30 billion AB bills that fund Illegal immigration laws like the unconstitutional “Dream Act” to give “special” treatment funding to get illegals the “American way” education but none of that money goes to already over taxed paying U.S. citizens.I for one am Tired of being a victim in a DONOR county paying for non documented residents who send over $3 million (in untaxed dollars) weekly back to their home country. Having a Latino or an Afro-American Judge is great. How about even a few Asian Judges. Let’s even the playing field as long as the subject of Favoritism isn’t being exploited.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:07AM
IrvinePolitico says:

“Third Position” — T.P.

“Tea Party” — T.P.

Someone should introduce these people to Orly Taitz. They swim in the same pond, er, cesspool.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 4:08AM
Hideyoshi says:

Gus, I see that you were very careful not to bring up any of the substantive points that McDonald points out about Jews in America.

If you’re going to bash the guy at least allow him to be judged by what he writes (much of which is quite balanced and valid) rather than just making ad hominem attacks on the man.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 5:46AM
Miguel Gutierrez says:

Go Back To Europe! This is our land. I don’t want to be ruled by the white man.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 7:27AM
John says:

Sounds like the author has the problem. I see only epithets are used by the author in this typical jewish smear campaign against any whites that assert a racial/ethinic identity.
-There isn’t one Anglo-Saxon man in Obama’s cabinet. ONly jews are in his cabinet. So Miguel..I feel the same way you do..I don’t like jews telling me what to do.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 10:05AM
Gustavo Arellano says:

NewYorkRob: I like how you and your oppressed White brothers have co-opted the language of truly persecuted minorities to create a fantasy world of victimization better suited for a sandbox.

Concerned Citizen: …Except the groups you call in question don’t advocate full-scale deportation of others, and don’t spell out other groups as the enemy like your gang of dummies do. European-Americans, eh? So that means you’re cool with the Jews? Last I checked, most came from Europe.

Hideyoshi: You mean the writings where MacDonald says Jewish behavior basically brought the Holocaust upon them? Or when MacDonald testified on behalf of David Irving, who ridiculously tried to press a libel suit against a professor who called Irving what he is–a Holocaust denier? Or maybe the part where MacDonald finally fessed up and stated he can’t stand Jews, period?

Miguel: You’re obviously a White troll—and if you’re not, you’re a pendejo.

John: Robert Gates isn’t Jewish, nor is Biden and Tom Vilsak. Care to tell us another lie, loser?
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 10:25AM
ShesaysReally? says:

Why doesn’t everyone just screw each other (literally) and mix everything up. We need a nation of mixed race to weed out all you high and mighty “im pure of blood and want to run you out of this country” a-holes!

Living in LA, the majority of my friends and family are of mixed race (beautifully I might add). My mom is White of Irish and Dutch background, my father is Cuban (yes born and raised in America), my step father is Armenian (just had to throw that one in) and my husband is half Irish and Half Korean (yes again, born and raised in America).

The craziest thing about all this is our children were born with blond hair and green eyes, go figure.

I just laugh at ignorant people who want to fantasize about how America needs to be pure of any race. Frankly if you are going to go there… the only PURE American’s in this country are Native Americans Indians. (that shout out is for my cousins who’s great-grandmother happen to be pure Cherokee).

Peace
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 11:12AM
Anonymous says:

Another heavy handed smear piece by this douche bag that no one of note is going to give a shit about. Who’d a thunk it?
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 11:32AM
Gustavo Arellano says:

Anon: Glad to have made your pitiful day!
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 11:51AM
Confused says:

Can someone explain to me why Anglos dislike Jews? To me Jews and Anglos are the same thing. White is White.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 12:11PM
mark green says:

This is not a fair or balanced article. In fact, it’s little more than smug, politically-correct hate speech.

We live in an era where every conceivable ‘minority’ is pressing for special privileges, including citizenship for their ethnic brethren who broke US laws by cutting in front of others who sought legally-sanctioned citizenship. Are you aware of this, Mr. Arrelano? Does it concern you? Check with your cronies at La Raza about this. And while you’re at it, take a look at LA’s Most Wanted list. It’s available online. Pretty amazing, huh? I don’t see a lot of skinheads there. Yes, illegal immigration is profoundly affecting our country, Mr. Arrelano. And not for the better.

As for Prof. MacDonald, I recommend that you read his books or articles rather than press releases about him from the dishonestly named ‘Southern Poverty Law Center’, a crypto-Jewish pressure group that specializes in defamation. Yes, the Jewish lobby in America is real and extraordinarily effective, Mr. Arellano. A strong case can be made that surreptitious Jewish lobbying has helped steer America into numerous MidEast wars, the present trillion dollar quagmire included. Skeptical? Just follow the money. This is not Mexico, Mr. Arrelano; political corruption of this magnitude is new in America.

Permit me to recommend that you remove yourself from covering this subject since your ethnic and political bias is clearly interfering with your ability to report honestly.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 12:19PM
K Sorensen says:

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 12:33PM
Gustavo Arellano says:

Mark: Let’s assume for the sake of the argument that illegals are ruining this country. Problem is, the American TP wants ALL non-white immigrants out of here. Stop with the attempts at rationalizing racists. As for your recommendation, I’ll pass. By the way, nowhere in your comment did you note any errors in my reporting.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 12:36PM
gustavo bravo says:

way to go tavo! nice article tocayo!
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:04PM
Frank says:

Arrellano-

In your OPINION people who disagree with you are “racist”,
and you’re just saying that because they are White.
“Anti-racism” IS just a code-word for Anti-White.

Why is “anti-racism” just a codeword for Anti-White?

We’re not talking about over-running Mexico with millions of non-Mexicans, giving them free health care, education and welfare at Mexican expense, and breeding Mexicans out of existence.

We’re not talking about over-running China with millions of non-Chinese, giving them free health care, education and welfare at Chinese expense, and breeding Chinese out of existence.

We’re not talking about over-running Africa with millions of non-Africans, giving them free health care, education and welfare at African expense, and breeding Africans out of existence.

This is only being done in ALL white countries and ONLY white countries.
Only white politicians are supporting this.
Only white children are being harmed by it.

It’s GENOCIDE
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:23PM
frank says:

“ethnic cleansing is “rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group”[4]

“Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide from 1948 defines genocide as any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. ”
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:26PM
Gustavo Arellano says:

Frank: Is that the best you can do? Co-opt the Holocaust? How sad that a proud White man must copy the Jews for his victimization manual–HAHAHAHA!
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:28PM
Frank says:

I don’t see anything wrong with a White equivalent of La Raza. It’s about time Whites started to organize the way other ethnic groups do.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:28PM
frank says:

Which holocaust are you referring to Gustavo?

There’s been a lot of them, and some are going on right now.

You may be aware of the one in Tibet. Or maybe not …

Your tawdry attempt at intelligent discourse is nothing more than a string of ad hominem epithets … much like what a zoo-simian hurls at zoo patrons whose language he cannot comprehend.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:35PM
Gustavo Arellano says:

The resolutions you were referring to were created as a direct result of what your intellectual forefathers inflicted on the Jews. But at least you acknowledge it happened, unlike your troglodyte compatriots—good ZOGgie!
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:40PM
frank says:

Gustavo;

There is an endless list of holocausts committed throughout history. Most of them had nothing to do with “the Jews”. But some of them did. Some of them were committed by “the Jews”. What do you think Hannukah and Purim celebrate?

Some people think there is a holocaust in play against the Palestinians right NOW. Who is committing that, evil nazis?

It doesn’t matter what the inspiration for the Genocide Treaty was. What matters is noticing when it is happening and doing something about it.

It is happening right NOW in White countries and it’s harming White children.

Do you think Genocide is only a sin when it’s directed at Non-Whites? Are non-Whites “privileged” and their being “holocausted” somehow more special than Whites? Is a non-White death somehow “worse” than the death of a White?

Please explain.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:52PM
William says:

Gustavo “El Puta” Arellano is simply a racist who uses ridicule and lies to mask his own Hispanic-supremacist agenda and anti-White hatred.

It is racist to deny Whites the right to have our own identity.

It is racist to deny Whites the right to organize politically and culturally.

There is NOTHING that Arellano, his gangster friends, or non-white militants in general can do to stop Whites from organizing and acting in our own best interests.

It’s inevitable.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:57PM
frank says:

There’s no middle ground.

The Iron Question requires you to make a choice.

Are you Pro White, or are you Pro White-Genocide?
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 1:57PM
Kidney Bingos says:

“Anti-racist” is a code word for anti-White.

“Anti-racism” is an excuse for anti-White hate crimes.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:00PM
Kanani says:

“Recent immigrants, or those who have become citizens since 1965, who have a genuine need to return to their respective countries of origin will be afforded generous cash grants to help them return home.”

So let me get this straight.
A family comes over here legally in 1966. During this time they build a business become prosperous and greatly give to the community. In addition, their children have have graduated from high school, gone onto college and a few even have graduate degrees.
So, the ATP is proposing –because they happen to be non-white, that they hop on a plane …pronto, and go back? They’re claiming that they “have a genuine need” to return to their country of origin?
What need would that be? And why the heck would they want to go back to a place that couldn’t support them in the first place?

Isn’t this a bit like telling the MacDonald that he should go to Scotland find the deeper meaning of haggis?
As if.
The ATP is dreaming.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:19PM
William says:

The difference is, of course, is that most non-Whites have no legitimate claim to this country.

The American Third Position party is right.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:22PM
El Californio says:

William “El Puto” please use your Spanish correctly.

Whites have been organizing and acting in their own best interests since they arrived in America. There is no reason to deny your own identity, but what is White Identity? You know what is inevitable, that whites will become the minority tyranny that a previous poster wrote about!
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:32PM
William says:

Puta is correct where that little racist bitch Arellano is concerned.

People such as yourself want to deny Whites the right to our own identity.

You want to deny us the right to organize politically and culturally, and to act in our own best interests.

Otherwise, why are you here? Why do you have a problem with Whites?

Minority or not, this is OUR country and we will take it back.

As I said, it’s inevitable.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:45PM
Kidney Bingos says:

El Californio ~ If white people have been organizing and acting in our own best interests since we arrived in America, then why the f*ck are anti-white bigots like you here?
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:47PM
Rob says:

Affirmative action, if you think about it, is not for a so-called “oppressed group” of people, rather it’s about who it’s NOT FOR.

It’s NOT FOR Whites.

Everyone else is a potential affirmative action beneficiary. Of course they throw White women as a partial beneficiary in an attempt to divide us between the sexes.

Think about that.

All “diversity,” all multiculturalism. What’s it about?

It’s about NOT WHITE.

It is about casting us as THE BAD GUYS of history.

Did you ever have that time in elementary school or middle school, when the whole class ganged up on one kid? Remember what it was like for that kid?

That singled out kid, is WHITES.

The mass media convinced you to pick that fight. It told you, “go ahead, it’s a free for all Ethnic Replacement Party, take his real estate, his jobs, his women. It’s all yours, you deserve it, they’re a bunch of (insert hate term here), and those damned YT’s are getting their just desserts now!

You’re kicking him around and laughing in his face, encouraged by the Man behind the Screen. The laws are on your side. The police are forced to enforce the Ethnic Replacement Agenda.

But the man behind the screen sprung a trap for you; for both of us, really. Because Whites will figure out the Ethnic Replacement Agenda, and get very angry.

Today’s White nationalists are the good guys; we’re trying to warn you. Peaceful Separation needs to happen sooner rather than later.

The whole diversity/multiculturalism thing is just a mass media and “public education” effort. There’s no real substance to it. It’s a manufactured and enforced Fashion Statement, and it’s a mile wide and an inch deep.

Diversity/Multiculturalism is a paid for corporo-state effort. There are no volunteer multiculturalists. The corporo-state, in case you didn’t notice, is going bankrupt quick.

When there’s no more valuable dollars to keep polishing the statues of Multiculturalism, what then?

Deleveraging, is what. Think about it.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:49PM
unaffected says:

Anti-racist is just a code word for anti-White.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:50PM
Gustavo Arellano says:

William: Still with your racialist fantasies? HA!

Kidney: It’s funny you call El California an “anti-white bigot” since he’s about as white as they come. Except he’s the good kind of white, the one who doesn’t bitch about his supposed “race” being oppressed.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 2:55PM
CT Kevin says:

Gustavo,
As far a barely legible, affirmative action case, token Mexican, who’s only job is to brown-up the writing staff goes, you’re a great writer. In fact, I’m not sure where this “fact be damned” insult slinging style of argument comes from. Is derived from Plato or Socrates? No, wait, I guessed it, it’s derived from the Yo Mama jokes that you heard in the barrio, while drinking 40s with your homies in from of a barrel fire.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:05PM
frank says:

Gustavo, you are not answering my questions. You are busy throwing epithets at others, and have not answered my questions above. Are you capable of answering a few simple questions? Or do you just avoid things you cannot deal with?
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:06PM
People_In_Denial says:

Anti-racist is Anti-Ignorant
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:11PM
frank says:

@CT Kevin:

I’d lay odds he’s getting talking points from the SPLC and/or the ADL. His schpiel reeks of their style of propaganda. It’s how anti-white hate organizations go about their “business”.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:12PM
CHS says:

@NewYorkRob – I have never been “robbed while white” by anyone. However, I am white so I suppose the first time I am robbed, well, this is starting to sound silly, especially since the robber will likely be after my green dollars, multi-colored credit cards, and other material possessions of many colors!
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:17PM
William says:

Gustavo Arellano wrote: “Except he’s the good kind of white…”

You mean he is the kind of scared, deracinated White who won’t even stand up for his own people.

Shame on him.

“Fantasies”? You wish, puta. Watch us.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:19PM
Sunny says:

John: “There isn’t one Anglo-Saxon man in Obama’s cabinet.”

That isn’t true. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. And there are other white men who are Christian, so give us all a break with your racist whining.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:21PM
Kidney Bingos says:

The only whining I hear comes from the Mexican bigots who let fear and hatred of Whites control them.

Poor babies…
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:24PM
frank says:

Gustavo;

Above your wrote, “Except he’s the good kind of white, the one who doesn’t bitch about his supposed “race” being oppressed.”

Let’s unpack what you wrote …

If a “good kind of white” doesn’t “bitch about his SUPPOSED “race” being oppressed ….

Are all the “people of color”, who seem to be quite self-aware of being part of a genetic-ethnic entity (race), GOOD People of Color if they don’t “bitch” about being oppressed?

And if they DO “bitch about being oppressed”, can one apply the same logic you apply to Whites and say that they are “NOT GOOD”?

Where does that leave your SUPPOSED “La Raza” old chap?

Doesn’t that indicate your compadres are not the “Good sort of BROWNS”?

Don’t forget to ANSWER this, and my previous questions.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:26PM
Sunny says:

ASE: “Why can’t white Americans have representation?”

You do have represenation. It’s not our fault if you repeatedly waste your vote on incompetent morons who screw you over like Dubya and Arnold. You’ll probably waste your vote again on Palin.

Appeals to logic don’t seem to work on racists. I wonder if they can be classified as mentally ill. After all, their perceptions are distorted. They try to mask these distortions as freedom of thought, but when you hurt somebody because you see the world in a twisted way, then you are mentally ill.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:29PM
El Californio says:

@Kidney: I am here because I was born here. My parents were born here, my grandparents were born here. I am a proud American, I am a proud Mexican-American. I am proud of my heritage and my culture. Learn the difference between Race and Ethnicity.

@William: Again what is White Identity? are you lost without culture? there is no Whiteland, do you have an ethnic culture? You came from Europe, you did not just magically appear in America. This is as much my Country if not more than yours.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:34PM
Anonymous says:

of truly persecuted minorities

I think I’m going to cry…Victims are us. Must be a pathetic existence to always be a victim.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:42PM
frank says:

@ El Californio;

Since you say there is no “Whiteland”, I’m sure you’ll not disagree if someone says there’s no “Brownland”, or no “Mexico”. Right?

I’m sure you will also have no problem if Mexico is flooded with tens of millions of people who have a non-Mexican identity, who break Mexican law and force the Mexicans to alter their culture into something entirely non-Mexican. Makes sense that you’d be OK with that, because that’s what you’re saying White Californians should allow here.

Again, what is Brown Identity? Are you lost without Brown Culture? Oh, wait … I forgot … you said you are PROUD of your heritage and culture!

Funny thing about that “pride” thing: I too am proud of my European-American culture. You probably don’t want to see your culture “Anglo”-cized, right? If you did, you’d be promoting the genocide of your culture.

I don’t want to see my culture “Mexicanized” here in California. That would be genocide.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:45PM
George says:

Gustavo is a Mecha member. He is a bigot who hates Whites.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:48PM
Sunny says:

Re: “I’m sure you will also have no problem if Mexico is flooded with tens of millions of people who have a non-Mexican identity, who break Mexican law and force the Mexicans to alter their culture into something entirely non-Mexican.”

That’s already happened in Mexico. It happend in 1519 when the Spanish invaded. It also happened again, when the Spanish moved north into California and the Southwest, and it happened again, when the Anglos came to CA and imposed their culture here starting in the mid-19th century.

Nobody here is forcing you to change your culture, and nobody is preventing you from speaking English.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:51PM
Akira says:

I’m sure MacDonald can’t be worse than the presently ruling Christ-Killers, to whom the USA is just a cash cow, and a nigger.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:53PM
Rob says:

The double standards are just glaring, Gustavo.

What’s Mexico’s policy towards illegal immigrants?

What’s the European-American version of La Raza?
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 3:57PM
frank says:

Sunny wrote, “That’s already happened in Mexico. It happend in 1519 when the Spanish invaded. It also happened again, when the Spanish moved north into California and the Southwest, and it happened again, when the Anglos came to CA and imposed their culture here starting in the mid-19th century.”

You have that right Sunny.

Let’s dig deeper and unpack what that means for the current situation …

The Spanish (Europeans and Jews) came to Mexico for gold, and brought along the priests too. The “clash of civilizations” that occurred caused many changes. Since the Aztecs didn’t have the technology to defeat the invaders, they lost. How did they lose?

The invaders, a while later, brought African slaves into the area too. Then there was interbreeding of Black, Aztec (and other tribes), White European and Jewish people. The result was Mestizos — a mixture, with a wide variety of combinations. Few “pure” Whites, Jews, Blacks and Aztecs remained. So what became known as “Mexican” was actually a mixture, ie, Mestizo.

From the standpoint of the Genetic Interests of EACH group, there was a loss of genetic identity. But this happened on such a large scale, that the result can be described as almost a new race, with a new identity. But from the standpoint/s of the pre-mix identities, from the standpoint/s of their “original” ethnicities, they were pretty much wiped out by all this mixing. In other words, they were genocided. But the upshot was a NEW identity of a NEW people.

If this NEW people now complains about being genocided by Ebil White Folk who came to the Aztec homeland 500 years ago, they’re not quite accurate. They are not the same as they were then.

Moreover, they have NO CLAIM against me, and I feel NO GUILT for what happened. It’s just the way things are.

But now is now, and anyone with eyes to see CAN see that there are irreconcileable differences of genetic interests, ethnicity, culture and much more between European-American culture/s and the “supposed” Hispanic-Mestizo culture of Mexico. It isn’t “Hate” or “Supremacist” to recognize the reality of difference.

The only thing to address is: “How do we negotiate our terms of proximity so NEITHER group loses it’s genetic and ethnic identity”. IMHO, a “Multicultural” solution, mixing everyone together in one space, is not going to solve the problem.

It was “Multiculturalism” which destroyed the Aztec identity. How is more of the same going to help?

What’s actually going on is a struggle for territorial-resource dominance. Is there a “peaceful” way out of this dilemma? Glad to hear your ideas if you have ’em.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 4:10PM
El Californio says:

@Frank: There is so much ignorance and hypocrisy I don’t know where to start.

I am kind of lost on the Whiteland/Brownland thing. Yes there is a Mexico and there is a USA. The Americas were filled with Indigenous people, before Europeans arrived lets call the Americas (North Central and South) Brownland.

I am brown so I am from here. According to the ATP, where would you want me to go, I am from the area of Texas, before is was in the USA.

I have seen my culture Anglicized my whole life, I like hamburgers and Carne Asada. I am not afraid of anything, I live in America, which is made up of many ethnicities and cultures, we are not a melting pot, we are more of a salad bowl. What are you afraid of? I encourage you to be proud of your ethnicity, that does not make you racist. Either way it is inevitable that your numbers are disappearing…
Posted On: Tuesday, Jan. 5 2010 @ 4:10PM