NPI Conference Allegedly Excludes Homophobes

November 4, 2015 Hunter Wallace Homosexuals, White Nationalism 134

By Hunter Wallace

Update: Richard Spencer has addressed the matter at Radix Journal.

The SPLC has a story on this.

I’m not in the least bit surprised. I’ve heard a lot of chatter about this on Facebook from close friends so there is definitely a kernel of truth to the story. Originally, Dr. Michael Hill had planned to address the NPI conference, but pulled out for unstated reasons.

I’ve said in the comments here on countless occasions that the only homosexuals that I have encountered in my travels on the “Far Right” have been at White Nationalist events like Amren conferences. There is clearly a divide in the pro-White movement over the inclusion of homosexuals and whether they should be tolerated or accepted in prominent leadership roles and as speakers at events.

As for Richard Spencer excluding Matt Heimbach, I can’t be sure if it was due to his views on homosexuality or whether it was due to a preexisting rivalry and animosity. I’m guessing those two have different views on the subject, but I seem to recall Heimbach squaring off with Thom Robb over race and homosexuality in the past.

We have lots of White Nationalists here. What do you think?

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59 Comments

  1. Spencer “excluded” Matt Heimbach? Is there a fuller account of this somewhere? What were the specifics? Did Heimbach wish to be a speaker but was denied?

  2. I heard on Facebook that Spencer banned Heimbach from the NPI conference over his views on homosexuality, but Heimbach went to DC anyway. I think Heimbach really was banned, but I am not sure if that was the reason.

  4. I’d prefer the details to be provided by an entity other than the anti-White SPLC. I have an automatic bullshit filter that goes into hyperdrive if I start trying to read anything they write about.

    As for curtailing some of the misplaced anger used to decry the homosexual agenda and instead trying to refocus that energy into more positive and practical applications, I can certainly agree with that strategy. There’s a big difference between passively accepting Querdom in all its perverted forms and accepting that some degree of compartmentalization has to be part of a long-term strategy if we are going to put up any kind of resistance to the anti-White hordes.

  5. My view is that sexuality should be a private affair. In public we promote Leave it to Beaver, Hayes Code, Victorian England social mores. But, even in Victorian England there was Oscar Wilde. And Oscar Wilde had a wife and children.

    Freddy Mercury lead singer of Queen was apparently “gay” –

    WHO WOULD EVER HAVE GUESSED THAT?!

    But, Freddy Mercury apparently left a lot of his estate to a woman he had some relation with which really pissed off certain elements of the gay community.

    Just keep this stuff in the closet – I have a gay neighbor, he’s a solid property owner. I much prefer him to a Black welfare mother with 8 kids or Algerian Muslim migrants who slaughter sheep in their bathtubs and who believe any White Western woman not dressed in a burka is a whore that deserves to be raped.

    That said, I think Vladimir Putin’s policies towards homes is good and sound – not public promotion of this stuff, goolge what happened to “pussy Riot” when they invaded an historic Russian Orthodox church.

    When in doubt, ask yourself :

    What would Vladimir Putin do.

    That’s what we should do.

  7. If we’re to build a movement, sodomy can’t be a part of it. Queers are basically haters of normal family life, so if we’re going to establish a nation, we can’t have people in this movement who are anti-family, because normal, healthy families are the building blocks that nations are built with.

  8. Second-hand reports. I’d love to hear first-person accounts from Heimbach and, especially, from Spencer on this.

    If the ban happened to prevent any condemnation of homosexual perversion, then that’s appalling.

    But if the ban happened to prevent people stating that they are in favour of executing gays (for heaven’s sake!), then the ban is understandable.

    There’s rather a significant gulf between the two positions.

  9. Scott’s position is that homosexuals should be executed. After a fair trial of course. He’s on sound biblical ground, but he is to the right of almost everyone on that issue.

  11. I don’t know.

    I always thought there was a preexisting beef between those two. Thus, I am not sure if that was the reason that Heimbach was excluded. There is a real divide on the issue though.

  12. Personally, this just proves to me that the pro-White sphere has finally started to evolve to a point where the more pragmatic individuals are asserting themselves and pushing back against the more dogmatic and idealistic ankle biters who always seem to have an excuse for losing ground year after year.

    If Race is your foundation, then nothing else is supposed to sidetrack you until you’ve firmly established that position in the real world.

  14. Spencer has intensified his criticisms of Christianity lately. That’s my impression. He is not the type to speak in terms of so and so on a stick, but his politely worded criticisms are devastating on intellectual level.

    I’ll go ahead and make my standard statement. It’s never a good sign when anyone spends more time criticizing Christians than Jews imo. Christians are a cheap and easy target in addition to being a deserving target in most cases. Not true for Jews, and they are more deserving.

  15. “It’s never a good sign when anyone spends more time criticizing Christians than Jews imo.”

    That’s true. But if you listen to the NPI live panel podcast, everyone was clearly on the same (correct) page with regard to the JQ.

  16. “It’s never a good sign when anyone spends more time criticizing Christians than Jews imo. Christians are a cheap and easy target in addition to being a deserving target in most cases. Not true for Jews, and they are more deserving.”

    Yes. Definitely agree on all points.

    On the other hand, Spender DID invite Dr. Kevin MacDonald. And that says a lot.

  17. Fascism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader.

  19. The only thing I would say about homosexuality is it is not our issue. We have more pressing matters like massive immigration and forced racial integration, that targets every area that just happens to be white.

    Not that I am condoning it, I don’t want to be around them. If they talk about homosexuality, they are are not pro white they are pro homosexual and should not be at WN gatherings. Its the same with someone who puts other issues in front of white survival, they should be pushing them somewhere else.

    Pro whites are like the guy pinned on the ground, caught in a choke-hold struggling for air. Nothing else but getting our next breath matters at this point.

  20. I say praise the Lord that a split between the sodomite right and Christian nationalists is beginning. If there was ever a house divided against itself, it’s big tent nationalism. I dont see how theonomists and neo-pagan faggots can be comrades.

  21. If its the people I think it is behind it, it has nothing to do with Paganism or Christianity. Someone who pushes Paganism or Christianity at a pro white conference would be told to go elsewhere too, because their issue is white survival. Just a way of weeding out those who are not serious or who are looking to cause division pushing side issues.

  22. I say praise the Lord that a split between the sodomite right and Christian nationalists is beginning. If there was ever a house divided against itself, it’s big tent nationalism. I dont see how theonomists and neo-pagan faggots can be comrades.

    Can’t you just pray for salvation and then a savior will be sent from heaven? Hey, you do have a personal relationship with an omnipotent and omnipresent being? You would think with that kind of advantage in your corner, you’d be well ahead of the curve. I wonder what you’re doing wrong. I don’t want to sound coarse or brash, but I’m beginning to think your god doesn’t like you very much.

    My personal view is that all the religious bullshit doesn’t matter if you aren’t moored to Race. If you’re religious, be religious in your personal life. If you’re not religious, then don’t be religious in your personal life. But if you allow your views on invisible people in the sky or your views about the weaknesses of religion to hinder your ability to work with others who are sane and pro-White, then fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

  24. I’m fine with homosexuals who keep it to themselves and don’t insist on visible positions, but that’s not the issue. But this was classic cuckservative-style purge for respectability. This was a very bad move by Spencer that will probably cause long-lasting damage.

    • I think Scott’s position on executing homosexuals is extreme (to my knowledge, homosexuality has never been a death penalty offense here), but I understand his religious reasoning.

      As for Matt, I think it is a valid criticism that he has been too friendly with the media. He’s made some mistakes. I also never understood why he chose to associate with some groups in the past who later turned on him and made online threats.

      Richard obviously doesn’t care about homosexuality. I think NPI is gay friendly, secular, urbane, dismissive of Christianity. I also saw the recent article where he said he wants to be the William F. Buckley of the Alt Right. I thought at the time that he was making himself a lightning rod by saying that. And here we are.

      Anyway, what is this? Beefs 12?

  25. It is my understanding that homosexuals were executed in England, the colonies, and the early united States. Jefferson proposed a law in Virginia that would punish homosexuals with castration, but this was rejected in favor of keeping execution as the penalty.

  26. Pains me even to read about these conferences, intellectuals banking on magic. Another ten thousand essays to the converted is supposed to bring something resembling victory for white interests.

    At least Vox Day has come to admit that you have to weaponize all that intellectual blather into rhetoric and actually play the political games.

  28. If someone is saying “execute homosexuals,” no, there’s no way that any sane person can condone this, let alone have someone saying such a thing be part of a conference. I mean, we’re talking Tchaikovsky and Christopher Marlowe, for goodness’ sake.

    Civilization worked fine when they were kept in the closet. Bring back the sodomy laws and such, make the behavior illegal, as it traditionally was, and there you have it. It worked throughout Western history.

  29. As for Matt Heimbach, someone wrote at Radix that he’s “erratic,” and that may be the case. I don’t know if he was actually banned — maybe he was — but I could see someone not inviting him to speak because they just didn’t think that he’s bright enough. I remember seeing him and Jared Taylor debate an SJW-type reporter on TV, and while Jared is halfway to cuckservative, at least he held his own against the reporter, and even got in a few good hits. Heimbach, OTOH, was just scatterbrained.

    Also, perhaps NPI feared that Heimbach would mix it up with any Antifa supporters at the event (of which, apparently, there were very few, in the end). Public violence, when it erupts, becomes the whole story about an event. Not that one should ever play to the press, but still.

  30. Faggots are no “comrades” of mine. Those who dream of an atheist, faggot-friendly White nation can count me out. I’d just as soon live with the niggers and half-breeds.

    The League of the South has it right on all this stuff. Most all right-minded White Southerners do, as a matter of fact.

  31. I am appalled at the obvious Faggot-friendly voices on this website! For ANY compromise with the Sodomite Agenda (part of which, is seeing them as human/legitimate) is anathema to a Christian, and to True Americans.

    How DEEPLY you have been “analintellectually” (cough) ‘penetrated’ in your thoughts. Thaddeus, don’t you know that it was the Russian Orthodox Church that ENCOURAGED Tchaikovsky to drink cholera-laden water, as his worldwide celebrity status, his open and perverse pedophilia, his sham marriage, and his very presence in Russia was a sin crying to heaven for vengeance? Perversion does not garner a ‘pass’ simply because you are a genius, or even mildly gifted. God is not mocked. But it would appear that y’all are mocking the Almighty, pretty damn seriously on this one.

    I am ashamed to think this website even remotely encourages a Southern/Christian Weltanschauung- but it clearly doesn’t. Y’all are just playing Southron, by capitulating to the Sodomite antichrists.

    They SHOULD be stoned in the streets, watched by every human possible, until not one is left. Sodom and Gomorrah was suffer nuke-bombed for less than WE allow, today.

  32. Hunter Wallace // November 5, 2015 at 1:19 am //

    “I also saw the recent article where he said he wants to be the William F. Buckley of the Alt Right.”

    So he wants to sell his people out and get paid for it? He’ll join the Southern Avenger.

  33. “In 1777, Thomas Jefferson and others worked on a proposed new criminal code for Virginia in anticipation of the success of the American Revolution. The proposed new sodomy law would have eliminated the death penalty and replaced it with castration for males and the boring of a hole through the nose of a woman. The proposal did not become law, but clearly showed that women were subject to prosecution under current legal thinking.

    In 1792, when Virginia enacted its first sodomy law, it still was not ready for the removal of the death penalty. The law did, however, make certain that women were liable to prosecution. The new law read

    ‘That if any do commit the detestable and abominable vice of Buggery, with man or beast, he or she so offending, shall be adjudged a felon, and shall suffer death, in the case of felony, without the benefit of Clergy.’

    This law makes it clear that a woman could not be a victim of sodomy, but could be a perpetrator.

    In 1800, the Virginia legislature showed its willingness to reduce the penalty for sodomy, but only for some people. A new statute set a penalty of 1-10 years for free persons committing sodomy either as principal or as accessory, but did not reduce the death penalty for slaves”
    http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/sensibilities/virginia.htm

    So many on the alt-right like to trash the founding fathers for being a bunch of enlightenment liberals, but the America of the 1790s would be way too reactionary and authoritarian for their tastes.

  34. I can definitely see the point about not wanting them around. And no, I have to admit, I didn’t know that bit about Tchaikovsky’s death.

    How about exile? Isn’t the solution to this problem the same one as to the racial problem? Keep them out of the country, and send them to, well, wherever they want to go. Problem solved for all.

  35. I have no problem turning my back on homosexual, liberal, atheist white people… They are the enemy. Why should I give up my morals and beliefs for a small increase in numbers.

  36. I do think that NPI is facing a real problem with this, though. It’s a tough issue. “Tolerance” is, as we’ve all learned the hard way, a slippery slope. Tolerate one identity group, and the next is around the corner, and the next, and the next, and pretty soon you ARE Buckley. And we see where that goes.

    On the other hand, you can get so pure that there’s no one left. (“Norman dog!” “Saxon swine!”)

    I still think that Heimbach could have been excluded on merit (“We’re going with published authors,” or something like that), though the Radix statement does have that worrying line about making us look bad, or some such.

    In the long run, I’m still impressed that, unlike AmRen, NPI invited Dr. MacDonald, who is the JQ authority. And there’s nothing Buckleyan about that.

    • I suspect that Spencer didn’t want Heimbach there crashing his event and soaking up publicity, but now excluding him has started a big controversy on the internet and has created exactly the distraction that he wanted to avoid.

  38. Spencer wants to be Buckley eh? Hmm, why does that not surprise me? I guess the comparison to Buckley does apply to Spencer.

    I will say this one thing. Announcing to everyone that you are basically a SJW policing ideas and banning people for being against sodomy is not going to sit well with people.

  39. Thaddeus // November 5, 2015 at 5:55 am //

    “I do think that NPI is facing a real problem with this, though. It’s a tough issue. “Tolerance” is, as we’ve all learned the hard way, a slippery slope. Tolerate one identity group, and the next is around the corner, and the next, and the next, and pretty soon you ARE Buckley. And we see where that goes.””

    Its not rocket science. If they coming in announcing themselves as homosexual, jewish, trans, lesbian, or whatever, their primary identity is not white and they have no honest business, attending a white identity meetup. They should be in attending their own meets.

    An example of this, I’ve seen rumors posted online that Pat Buchanan is a homosexual. Yet no one makes a fuss, because if he is he does not talk about it and he does good work in white interests.

  41. A man was executed for bestiality in Plymouth colony.

    Based on the Old Testament, 7 crimes were punishable by death in colonial New England.

    Christians, and even pre-Christian Noahide gentiles, have never been subject to any dietary restrictions other than a prohibition on drinking blood.

  42. “I suspect that Spencer didn’t want Heimbach there crashing his event and soaking up publicity,”

    Yes, I think that’s right. And I can understand the sentiment. I remember when Heimbach curled up into a ball when he was the Orthodox church disavowed him. At that point, you’ve lost sight of the target, and put something else above race.

    “If they coming in announcing themselves as homosexual, jewish, trans, lesbian, or whatever, their primary identity is not white and they have no honest business, attending a white identity meetup. They should be in attending their own meets.”

    Yes, I think that’s exactly right too. Hence my exile/separation notion. “Execution” talk is ridiculous, when a sensible separation solution exists, just as it does with race.

    I would also say this, though: if someone is putting their religion over their race (e.g., “As Christians, we must be universalists and open our borders. We’re all brothers in Christ” BARF!), then obviously their primary identity is also not white, and they have no business being there.

    “An example of this, I’ve seen rumors posted online that Pat Buchanan is a homosexual”

    I find that so had to believe as to be laughable, and fully expect that the rumour was started by Hasbra trolls.

    In fact, the SPLC report that started this particular discussion was quite obviously written in such a way as to foment division and undermine NPI, as the SPLC would surely know that any praise that it gave would cause people to question NPI.

    Though, to be sure, the phrasing of Spencer’s post didn’t dispel but added to the spectre of the bad kind of Buckleyanism.

  44. I do not understand why the majority (not all) of the bloggers would object to gays within the White Nationalist movement. Whether it’s the few who adhere to Jack’s “private life” view, or certain extremist views on the other end of the WN spectrum, the majority’s views seem very open to gay members.

  45. Faggotry belongs in the closet.

    I’m not sure I give a care about NPI, or Richard Spencer. But I must question if he is gay?

    • If it’s kept private, is in the closet private? does that mean he or she is fully eligible to be a card carrying White Nationalist.

      Btw, what a horrible name, White Nationalist! Sounds like South Africa circa 1975. Real leadership would understand the need for a better name.

  47. The issue isn’t tolerance. I’m a secularist and don’t care what people do, what disgusting vices they indulge in, as long they make no attempt to take it public or pass off socially corrosive degeneracy as an ideal.

    There seems to be some credible circumstantial evidence of a homosexual hidden-hand exercising an unknown amount of influence over key figures on the dissident right. I used to advocate for tolerance and balance on homosexuality, but I’m coming to believe that position was naive. There does seem to be an agenda there.

  48. I know that Spenser and Jack are friends. Also, I have noticed throughout the years that Richard seems hostile at least mildly so towards Christianity.

    It does matter whether or not one keeps their lifestyle private. I think it was the late Lawerence Auster to best explained how those private things eventually work their way into public life.

    I have to ask myself why would a healthy group of people welcome a member who is sick. Before someone points out that homosexuals aren’t sick take a little time to think about a lifestyle that leads to death only without the natural hope of propagation. We are already seeing the worst genetically speaking, people’s of the earth out populating the best. Why would we welcome members who would exacerbate this situation?

    I remember seeing an article from Jack on Richard’s site instructing people how to raise their boys to be men. Honestly you can”t even make a parody of this. A man who likes t be penetrated by other men is going to teach your how to raise your boys to be men? I thought only the liberals were so silly they had become a parody.
    I have already quit donating money to one white group because of this stance.

  49. I agree with Hunter going full Old Testament isn’t the answer. I would banish them from the movement. Remember the republicans invited in the log cabin republicans then the camel was in the tent with all its baggage.

    It simple boils down to one thing for me. Can they propagate the white community with more wonderful children? The way they currently propagate themselves is through recruitment of young kids in the schools.

    Yes, gays have always been with us, that doesn’t mean it should be accepted as a normal lifestyle to be celebrated. Like Vox Day is always trying to point out, don’t let a liberal minded person in your camp. They will eventually work to change you and eventually demand that you recognize them and celebrate them. Richard has not only accepted them, the now rigorously defends them by keeping put descenting voices.

  50. Celestial time. I don’t know your understanding of Christianity but it seems you do not understand it. It is supposed to be an all encompassing lifestyle. “Leaving it at home” would mean at best you are simply a hypocrit. If you read the Christian Bible you will see a passage which speaks to letting your light be seen by the whole world not hiding it u dear a basket.

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