My Worldview


Editor’s Note: I will continue working throughout the weekend. Keep checking in for updates. The next RFM debate with Alex Linder is about goals, tactics, and strategy.

Our Vision

I’m an ethnonationalist.

I believe that ethnicity is more powerful than race. I want a free and independent Republic of Dixie, an Anglo-Celtic nation-state like Hungary or Poland carved out of the wreckage of the United States, that is based on blood, culture, and history, not on failed liberal abstractions.

There are other separatist movements that fall into the same category: Québec in Canada, Flanders in Belgium, Scotland in the United Kingdom, Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain, and Padania in Italy. Ireland, Croatia, Norway, Hungary, Greece, and Ukraine have already succeeded in joining the European family of nations.

Like the Catalans or Québécois, Southern Whites are a distinct ethnic group within America. Dixie is a nation within the United States that manifests itself in every presidential election, every major vote in Congress, the U.S. Census, and the maps of cultural geographers.

The Southern States:

Source: Wikipedia

The Southern States (Core and Periphery):

Source: Wikipedia

The Baptists:

Source: U.S. Census

Southern English:

Source: Wikipedia

“Real Americans”:

Source: American Ancestry (2000 Census)


Source: Joel Garreau, The Nine Nations of North America

Dixie Coalition:

Source: Colin Woodard, American Nations

Confederate States of America (1861-1865):

Confederate States of America

Jim Crow South (1896-1965):


The Republic of Dixie would include the 11 states of the ex-Confederacy, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oklahoma, and the southern third of Missouri below I-44. In a worst case scenario, we might may have to cede Maryland, the Mexican border counties in Texas, the Washington Metro Area in Northern Virginia, and South Florida.

The international border between the Republic of Dixie and the United States would start at the Atlantic, run under the NOVA counties in Virginia before moving up toward the Shenandoah Valley, it would wrap around West Virginia excluding the Northern Panhandle, follow the Ohio River around Kentucky to Missouri, where it would follow I-44 through Missouri toward Oklahoma before sweeping around the Texas-New Mexico border and down through the Anglo-Hispanic ethnic fault line in South Texas toward the Gulf of Mexico.

The differences between the Republic of Dixie and the White Republic envisioned by the White Nationalists are clear:

– Dixie is a real nation. Southern Whites are a distinct people. This is a place that exists in the real world. It is not an abstraction or a proposition nation. It has a name and already exists in the minds of the people. It is not a vague fantasy that exists only in the minds of alienated intellectuals scattered across a continent.

– Dixie has all the ingredients of an independent nation: a common ethnicity, a common culture, a common ideological outlook, and a common history. White Nationalism is based on a racial identity and racial grievances. Simply put, there is more glue to Southern Nationalism because there is more homogeneity, which means there are fewer areas for conflict and division.

– Dixie has existed as an independent nation in the past: the Confederate States of America. There has been an earthquake along that sectional fault line before which destroyed the Union. It is still to this day the most likely spot where the Union would be cleaved in two.

– Southern Nationalism is a type of European-style ethnonationalism. White Nationalism is a reiteration of Americanism. There has already been at least one White Republic, the United States until 1861, and it failed due to ethnic and cultural divisions among White Americans.

With the exception of Harold Covington, White Nationalists can’t tell you the name of their proposed nation, where it would be located in the real world, what ethnicity would be the basis of their White ethnostate, or how their White Republic would be created. After thirty years of talking about creating a White Republic, you would think these basic questions would have been answered a long time ago.

Golden Dawn, for example, can answer all of these questions in under a minute: Greece, Greece, the Greeks, taking over the government. The Québécois can answer all of those questions: Québec, Québec, the Québécois, taking over the government and seceding from Canada. The Catalans have the same answers: Catalonia, Catalonia, the Catalans, taking over the government and seceding from Spain.

What about Southern Nationalists? We have the same answers as the Scots, Québécois, the Greeks, and the Catalans: Dixie, Dixie, taking over the Southern states, seceding from the Union, and creating the Republic of Dixie.

Our Strategy – Working Within The System

I will say at the outset that we believe reforming the system is impossible.

In the United States, we live under a system of representative government. Southern Nationalists have no objection in principle to the system of representative government – it works in homogeneous countries, but doesn’t work in heterogeneous ones. America is a failure as a nation and there is no political solution but secession and independence to that problem.

Americans no longer share a common race, a common ethnicity, a common culture, a common religion, a common history, or a common philosophical worldview. As America becomes ever more “diverse,” we are finding out that we have ever less in common with other “Americans,” and truth be told, if this were a marriage, we would have gotten divorced a long time ago.

White Southerners are a permanent minority in this Union. We are a permanent minority in a system based on majority rule. In 2008 and 2012, White Southerners voted against Barack Obama in overwhelming numbers, but Obama’s election and reelection only proved the futility of trying to reform a system in which we are a hopelessly outnumbered ethnic and cultural minority.

The consolidated despotism that we are living under today under Obama will only get worse under his successors as changing racial and cultural demographics continue to erode our political power. Obama’s election has proven that Democrats can write off Southern Whites and still win the White House. The Democratic media no longer even tries to hide its racial and cultural contempt for White Southerners.

So what are our options?

The first option is submission. We can submit to being ruled indefinitely by a coalition of Yankees and Jews and “people of color.” We can lose our freedom. We can lose our culture. In the long run, we can allow this “majority” of racial, ethnic, and cultural aliens to plunder us of everything we own.

The second option is self delusion. We can delude ourselves into believing that everything will be fine and that we can run Marco Rubio in 2016 and win over legions of budding “black conservatives” and “Hispanic conservatives.” The unprecedented level of moral cowardice on display at sites like ensures that self delusion will win the day for at least one more election cycle.

The third option is secession. We can seize power in the Southern states, secede from the Union, and form our own nation-state, the Republic of Dixie. In this scenario, we will have a fighting chance to preserve our way of life, and there is already movement in this direction in Texas and the rest of Dixie.

The fourth option is revolution. If our backs are firmly pressed against the wall, armed revolution might become the only realistic way to preserve our way of life. See the White Man’s Revolution of 1876 in South Carolina.

The fifth option is emigration. We can move to some other country. Don’t make me laugh with suggestions of moving to the Pacific Northwest. The same despotism that exists here can be found there as well. If Mississippi or Alabama can’t be pushed to resistance, there is no hope at all for Washington or Oregon.

Secession is our first choice.

We want to peacefully secede from the United States like Ukraine and Georgia seceded from the Soviet Union or Czechoslovakia broke apart in the Velvet Divorce. In Great Britain and Canada, Scotland and Québec have been given referendums to secede, Puerto Rico recently had a referendum on joining the United States, and Catalonia will soon be holding a referendum on secession from Spain.

In order to bring about disunion, we are supportive of “working within the system” – by that we mean at the state level, and only within the South – in order to exacerbate sectional polarization, galvanize our supporters, and advance the cause of secession with the ultimate objective in mind of calling a state convention in every Southern state to vote on the dissolution of this Union.

As we have already seen, our fellow disunionists in Europe and Canada are “working within the system” and they are way ahead of us: the Parti Québécois in Québec, the Scottish National Party in Scotland, the Convergence and Union Party (CiU) in Catalonia, Golden Dawn in Greece, and Vlaams Belang in Belgium.

In the United States, we don’t have a parliamentary system of government and couldn’t hope to reproduce those results with a third party in the South, but it might be possible for Southern Whites to imitate and invert the racial and ideological solidarity of the blacks and Hispanics within the Democratic Party and form a Southern Nationalist Caucus within the Republican Party in the Southern state legislatures.

The future of the Republican Party is unclear at this moment. Whatever its fate, the goal of the Southern Nationalist Caucus should be to split the Republican Party along sectional lines to precipitate the dissolution of the Union. Now that the GOP is pretty much dead as a viable national party, I imagine this will become more feasible moving forward.

Our Strategy – Christianity and Conservatism

Southern Nationalists are “mainstreamers.”

By that I mean our strategy is based on winning over our own people to the cause of secession or closing the gap between the Southern Nationalist vanguard and the White Southern masses until the need to secede from this despotic government becomes so obvious that it is accepted as common sense.

In this area, we are counting on the fecklessness of Conservatism, Inc., the failure of the Tea Party to “Take Back America,” the impotence of the national GOP, and the triumphalism and hubris of the minority-majority and their cheerleaders in the mainstream media to disillusion and alienate the average White Southern male and thereby sow the seeds of disunion.

We are under no illusions that the South is going to cease to be Christian and conservative and embrace White Nationalism and atheism after rejecting the values it has held for almost four centuries.

It is conceivable though that Southerners might be provoked to revolt in defense of the Southern way of life: a conservative revolution like the one in the video below against a hated, despotic central government and the economic ruin and godless, degenerate Northeastern culture that it seeks to impose on Dixie through its abuse of federal power.

As White Southerners lose power at the national level, they will predictably seek empowerment at the state level. When it finally becomes clear that White Southerners have permanently lost power within the minority-majority United States, the allure of White male empowerment through secession will become an irresistible temptation.

Alex Linder has proposed attacking the Christians and conservatives. While nothing would give Southern Nationalists greater pleasure than witnessing the demise of bloodsucking parasites like Conservatism Inc. and the Republican Party or the hucksters who are destroying the Southern Christianity, who we agree can and should be attacked, the following demographic facts must be kept in mind:

Self-Identified Ideology By State

Conservatives are predominant in every Southern state. These numbers also mask the true level of White Southern conservatism by including blacks and Hispanics in the poll:

Mississippi – 53.4%
Alabama – 49.8%
Louisiana – 49.5%
Arkansas – 47.9%
Oklahoma – 47.4%
Tennessee – 45.5%
Texas – 44.8%
West Virginia – 44.6%
South Carolina – 44.6%
Georgia – 43.9%
Missouri – 43.5%
North Carolina – 43.2%
Kentucky – 42.7%
Virginia – 41.3%
Florida – 39.9%

There is no road to secession or revolution in Dixie that doesn’t go through winning over the conservative majority.

Religiosity By State

I shouldn’t have to explain why attacking Christianity and making atheism a litmus test is a non-starter in the Bible Belt. These numbers also mask the true level of White Southern religiosity by including blacks and Hispanics in the poll:

Mississippi – 59% (very religious), 11% (non-religious)
Alabama – 56% (very religious), 16% (non-religious)
Louisiana – 54% (very religious), 16% (non-religious)
Arkansas – 54% (very religious), 19% (non-religious)
South Carolina – 54% (very religious), 18% (non-religious)
Tennessee – 52% (very religious), 18% (non-religious)
North Carolina – 50% (very religious), 21% (non-religious)
Georgia – 48% (very religious), 20% (non-religious)
Oklahoma – 48% (very religious), 23% (non-religious)
Texas – 47% (very religious), 22% (non-religious)
Kentucky – 47% (very religious), 24% (non-religious)
Missouri – 44% (very religious), 28% (non-religious)
West Virginia – 43% (very religious), 26% (non-religious)
Virginia – 42% (very religious), 27% (non-religious)
Florida – 39% (very religious), 31% (non-religious)

There is no path to secession or revolution in Dixie either that doesn’t go straight through the “very religious” and “moderately religious” who make up the Republican base.

Is it even desirable to encourage atheism? In Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida, 64% of voters64% of voters, and 72% of voters respectively who “never” attend religious services voted for Obama.

In Wisconsin, 71% of White atheists voted for Obama. In Ohio, 62% of White atheists voted for Obama. In Michigan, 76% of White atheists voted for Obama. In Pennsylvania, 68% of White atheists voted for Obama.

In the 2012 election, Barack Obama won 69% of the Jewish vote and 70% of the “religiously unaffiliated” nationwide. If the goal is to transform Whites into Jews, then obviously promoting atheism is the way to go because there is no measurable difference between Jewish and White atheist political preferences.

Our Strategy – The Message

Southern Nationalists are ethnonationalists who seek a free and independent Dixie.

We have already established the importance of working within the system (like our counterparts in Canada, Belgium, Spain, and the UK) to dissolve the Union. We have established that secession requires winning over Christians and conservatives. We have established the importance of closing the gap between the Southern Nationalist vanguard and the Southern White masses.

In order to succeed, we will need a simple winning message that resonates with our target audience. I think the message should be that Christianity and conservatism are doomed within the United States, we live under a totally consolidated and unrepresentative federal government with unlimited powers, and the preservation of the Union puts us on a fiscally unsustainable course that will inevitably destroy our economy.

The South should be encouraged to revolt in defense of its own values and prosperity. It must be convinced that secession is the only way to preserve the Southern way of life and actualize those values.

In Catalonia, Catalan secessionists have a simple message that the newly rebranded OD will be experimenting with next year: seceding from Spain is necessary to preserve Catalan culture and Madrid has mismanaged Catalonia’s economy by taxing productive Catalans and redistributing their wealth to indolent Andalusians.

It is already clear that fiscal considerations over America’s soaring national debt and unsustainable government programs – such as the “takers” who got the “Obama phone” from the taxes of the “makers” – are weighing heavily on the minds of the White Southerners who are flirting with secession. We need to spend a lot more time responding to these cultural and economic anxieties.

Our Strategy – Talking Points

The Southern Nationalist message relies heavily on our most valuable asset: the unvarnished truth.

We don’t have the money of Conservatism Inc. or the media to contest the White House, but we can give White Southerners an honest assessment of their situation, we can prod them to revolt in defense of their own self avowed values, and we can excite their imaginations with the tantalizing possibility of how empowering it would be to follow their values to their logical conclusion and to assert their right to rid themselves of the ruling class in Washington.

Here are some talking points that advance this message:

1.) We agree with Ron Paul that the Constitution has failed and the federal government has become a consolidated despotism.

2.) Secession is the ultimate check on the growth of the federal government.

3.) America has failed as a nation. There is no political cure for a decompiled culture.

4.) White Southerners are an object of ridicule in America’s national culture. See “Django Unchained,” “Rosewood,” “Mississippi Burning,” “Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter,” “Lincoln,” and “Deliverance.”

5.) White Southerners are a degraded and humiliated minority within this Union. See the Susan Rice nomination in which the Democratic media recently told White Southern men that it wasn’t their place to question an African-American women.

6.) Christianity has no future in the United States.

7.) Conservatives tried to “Take Back America” and failed. Dixie is not synonymous with America.

8.) Conservatism is dead in America except as a regional philosophy.

9.) America has promoted secession everywhere from South Vietnam, South Korea, South Sudan, Kosovo, Austria, Taiwan, Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltic States, Panama, East Timor, and Ireland to advance its own interests.

10.) America is becoming California. The financial collapse of California will herald the financial collapse of the United States.

11.) The blacks were given their chance. We tried for fifty years to create a “post-racial, colorblind society.” Obama’s reelection on the basis of ZANU-PF-style explicit appeals to class warfare and racial tribalism have closed the book on “MLK’s Dream” and replaced it with “Get Whitey.”

12.) We waged a “War on Poverty” for 50 years and poverty whipped us.

13.) China hasn’t used violence against Taiwan. Russia hasn’t used violence against Ukraine and Georgia. Even North Korea has restrained itself from attacking South Korea. The United States should live up to the standards of North Korea and allow Texas to peacefully secede from the Union.

14.) If you can’t leave, you aren’t free.

15.) The United States is anti-White and anti-Southern.

These are just a few examples that immediately come to mind. Every single one of these talking points has the benefit of being true. The goal of our strategy is to hammer away at these talking points until they are accepted as common sense and disunion is accepted as the only way to preserve the Southern way of life.

Our Strategy – Metapolitics

Southern Nationalists have no objection to “metapolitics.”

Unlike White Nationalists, Southern Nationalists can point to multiple successful examples of just such a metapolitical struggle in the Lower South:

“This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago.”
– Alexander Stephens, Cornerstone Speech, March 21, 1861

There is a myth on the internet based largely on stereotypes and ignorance that the South is anti-intellectual or completely devoid of an intellectual culture. In reality, the Union was shattered precisely on the finer points of Stephen Douglas’s abstract constitutional theory of squatter sovereignty, and men like Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens left behind huge constitutional treatises for posterity.

Even beyond Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens, these issues were hashed out by the secessionist vanguard in journals like the Southern Quarterly Review, the Southern Literary Messenger, and DeBow’s Review for a decade prior to secession and these ideas were circulated to the masses at the popular level in broadsides in newspapers like the Spirit of the South or Rhett’s Charleston Mercury.

OD spotlighted a fraction of this material during Confederate History Month 2012:

“The hour of that hybrid thing, a democratic republic, for the government of two different races, has passed away forever, and we must now direct our attention to those ethnological facts, from out of which the next government is to flow. …

“The peculiar form of government, under which we have for many years been living – call it by what name we may, whether a democracy or a republic – has been well calculated to demoralize, to some extent, the native, high character, of the South, and to vitiate its progress in statesmanship. There has been too much individual freedom, license rather, conferred upon the masses, through the agency of which fact, the lighter and less worthy material of society has floated to the surface. Men of actual merit, who are generally less adapted to popular approbation, have been compelled to come with their opinions and claims before the same volatile tribunal, with the worthless and flippant demagogue; and they, too, as far as was possible for them to do so, have been compelled to resort to the same vitiated means of success.”

In my reviews of Elizabeth Varon’s Disunion! The Coming of the American Civil War, 1789-1859, Paul Quigley’s Shifting Grounds: Nationalism & the American South, 1848-1865, and William Freehling’s The Road to Disunion, Secessionists Triumphant, 1854-1861, I discussed the success of the Confederacy’s “metapolitical revolution” in the 1850s from the eclipse of American nationalism in the Lower South to the emergence of Southern ethnonationalism in the 1850s to the hardening of racial attitudes mentioned by Alexander Stephens and to John C. Calhoun’s absolutely pivotal “mainstreaming” of secession and the compact theory of government in the 1830s and 1840s.

These issues are discussed in great detail in books like Drew Gilpin Faust’s A Sacred Circle: The Dilemma of the Intellectual in the Old South, 1840-1860 and Michael O’Brien’s massive Conjectures of Order: Intellectual Life in the American South, 1840 to 1860.

The ethnocultural division between Southern Whites and Yankees, which I described at the outset of this essay, was pioneered and discussed in elaborate detail in the years leading up to the War Between the States in articles like “Southern Civilization, or the Norman in America”:

“But the Roundhead, at once a religious fanatic and a political agitator and reformer, could conceive of no government but the rule of the Saints, and form no other idea of the principles of civil liberty than what the levelling philosophy of the covenant taught. A bigot in faith and an idealist in speculation, his sentiments were violent and his convictions impracticable. A visionary from principle and a revolutionist from interest, his prejudices allowed no compromise, while his passions fed equally the flame of his cupidity and ambition. Austere in his morals and inflexible in his principles, he set up his own conduct as the standard of right, and sought to dictate the opinions and control the convictions of others. Rude in his manners and morose in his disposition, he practiced the profoundest dissimulation, while attaining credit for sincerity, and concealed his real character and designs under the cloak of hypocrisy. . . .

Opposite under the banner of the king, stood the Cavalier – the builder, the social architect, the institutionalist, the conservator – the advocate of rational liberty and the supporter of authority, as against the licentiousness and morbid impulse of unregulated passion and unenlightened sentiment. No idealist, enthusiast or speculative system-builder, upheaving ancient landmarks and overthrowing venerable monuments; but a realist, a practical and enlightened utilitarian, bowing to the authority of experience and acknowledging the supremacy of ideas, forms and institutions that had received the hallowing sanction of time . An institutor by genius and a ruler by race, his pride was at once the sword of his most eminent virtues and greatest weaknesses, while honor was the touchstone of his character. Chivalrous in sentiment and magnanimous in deed, glory was his ambition, and loyalty the inspirer of his every thought, impulse and action. Elevated in his ideas and tolerant in his views, his selfishness was vicarious and his very faults wore the semblance of virtue. Unyielding in his principles, but compromising in his opinions, his conduct was governed more by sentiment than reflection, and more by association than either. Courtly in his manners and splendid in his tastes, a knightly generosity he practiced even toward his foes, and never lost his faculties in volumptuousness. Without being an abject advocate of passive obedience or a supporter of arbitrary power, he yet took ground against the revolutionary party, not as an enemy to liberal institutions or a well-regulated liberty: but, discovering in the doctrines and principles of the revolution a greater danger to the social and political system than from the alleged existing abuses, he preferred yielding his loyalty rather to institutions than abstractions, and felt it a duty to attempt to quench the lights of the incendiary philosophy, whose torch had been applied to the noblest monuments of civil wisdom yet erected by the genius of man …”

Southern Nationalists have a great advantage in the area of metapolitics. Ultimately, all we are doing is reacquainting White Southern conservatives with their own tradition and cultural inheritance, the Cavalier ideal, which unconsciously informs their value system and actions anyway, and encouraging them to assert that ideal by sending secessionists to their state legislatures.

Our Strategy – Dealing With The Blacks and Hispanics

An astute commentator at VNN Forum made a comment that is worthy of a formal response in this essay: “Qui gehennam habet hostium cum mediocris ingeni quotientem LXXXV?”

[Who the heck has enemies with an average I.Q. of 85?]

Southern Nationalists agree that blacks are not our real political enemies. The existence of the Union with Yankees is solely responsible for the creation and preservation of Black Run Amerika (BRA).

Secession will solve the problem by eliminating the Yankees and Jews who are responsible for artificially elevating blacks over Southern Whites in Dixie. It eliminates all the Northern Whites who voted for Obama twice, who voted for all the civil rights laws, the federal courts that imposed integration on the South and which obstruct the legislative process, the federal controlled public school system which inculcates White guilt, Eric “My People” Holder’s Justice Department, etc.

The race question with African-Americans and Hispanics can and should be subordinated to the priority of secession and securing our independence. In an independent South, the Northeastern media will be unable to maintain BRA’s racial etiquette, which will crumble like communism in the dying Soviet Union, and the blacks will be held accountable for their actions without Yankee-spearheaded federal obstruction.

In dealing with the blacks, Southern Nationalists should be practical and focused on the immediate priority of independence: in an independent South, the blacks will be allowed to keep their voting rights and their civil rights, Russian and Chinese international observers will be invited to Dixie to supervise the fairness of our elections, but BRA will be dismantled brick by brick, racial preferences will be eliminated, and power will be restored to the states and local communities to make their own laws … including restrictive covenants.

The solution to the Negro Question in Dixie isn’t a radical proposal: all we have to do is encourage the conservatives and libertarians to act on their own ideas, which is to say, secede from the hated “Big Government,” and with a solid rightwing majority in the Republic of Dixie, they should be encouraged to decapitate the Great Society welfare state and create the free market paradise of their dreams.

Just imagine it: the year is 2025, and every “Black Confederate” is confronted by the sight of the Confederate flag waving in triumph at every public building in the Republic of Dixie. Five years ago, The Day The EBT Card Quit Working unfolded in Atlanta and there was a mass exodus of blacks from every major city and county in the South which diluted their electoral majorities.

The White conservatives who have an iron grip on the Confederate government didn’t stop with the SNAP EBT card when they seized power. They voted to eliminate the whole Geography of Government Benefits: WIC, TANF welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Obama phones, Section 8 housing, energy assistance, “fair housing laws,” disability benefits, federal funding for HBCUs, affirmative action, “disparate impact,” most forms of public transportation, etc.

Even the Post Office was privatized. The Confederate government and the state and local governments of the Republic of Dixie have laid off thousands of government workers. They passed a slew of regressive taxes. They disenfranchised all convicted felons and passed stringent federal and state Voter ID laws.

As in the Jim Crow era from 1896 to 1965, the relative differences in social status, economic opportunities, and future prospects precipitated a mass exodus of African-Americans from the Republic of Dixie to the United States, which responded to Southern secession by creating an even larger and more generous welfare state that was infinitely more attractive to “people of color.”

After the Union was dissolved, the Confederate Congress pounced and quickly repealed the Immigration Act of 1965, while the remainder of the United States (now monolithically controlled by the Democratic Party) passed the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2020 to encourage Somalians and other types of exotic Africans to move to hideously White enclaves like Minnesota and Maine.

At the state level, the Southern states began passing ever more stringent types of Alabama-style immigration laws and E-Verify laws, which made life a living hell for illegal aliens. Without access to the federal courts and a friendly Justice Department, the Southern states began passing laws that made it illegal to rent housing to illegal aliens and for public utilities to provide them with electric service and running water.

A huge fence was built on the Texas border which has been decried by Mexico and other Latin American countries as the “Great Wall of Dixie.” Most of the illegal aliens now crossing into the Republic of Dixie are White Midwesterners who brave the Ohio River in a desperate bid to escape the onerous taxation of the United States in the sanctuary cities of Kentucky and West Virginia.

Does this get us all the way to a White Southern ethnostate? No, but it reverses our racial and cultural decline, shuts down the major feedback loops that are driving that decline, it would significantly whiten Dixie, and position us to pass further reforms as the international and cultural context changes in the decades ahead.

The first step is the hardest step to take. It has to be secession.

Our Strategy – Dealing With The Jews

Southerners admire the Israelis.

We ought to use that to our advantage: the Israelis have built a massive border fence and concentration camps for the deportation of illegal aliens from South Sudan and Eritrea. They call themselves a “Jewish state.” They have a great immigration policy which we should claim as the model of our own:

How would Southern secession intersect with the Jewish Question? How many Jews live in the South compared to the rest of the United States?

Source: Wikipedia

Alabama – 8,850
Arkansas – 1,725
Florida – 638,635
Georgia -127,670
Mississippi -1,575
Louisiana – 10,675
Kentucky – 11,300
North Carolina – 30,675
Tennessee – 19,600
Missouri – 59,175
Virginia – 97,290
West Virginia – 2,335
South Carolina – 12,545
Oklahoma – 4,700
Texas – 139,565

Total U.S. Jewish Population: 6,588,065
Total Southern U.S. Jewish Population: 1,164,315
Southern U.S. Jewish Population as Percent of Total U.S. Jewish Population: 17.7%

If the Republic of Dixie seceded from the United States, we would carry out less than 1/5th of the Jewish population in America, over half of which is concentrated in South Florida and the Washington Metro Area.

Of the Jewish members of the 112th Congress, 5 of 26 in the House are from the South (Cantor, Cohen, Yarmuth, Deutsch, and Wasserman-Schultz), and none of the 13 Jews in the U.S. Senate are from the South. Eric Cantor, the only Jewish Republican, is the only Jew in Dixie who represents a majority Southern White Christian district. There are no Jewish governors in the South.

Secession would eliminate the three Jews on the U.S. Supreme Court: Elena Kagan, a Jewess from New York City, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a Jewess from New York City, and Stephen Breyer, a Jew from San Francisco. It would also eliminate every single Jewish federal judge in Dixie.

As a practical matter, the Jews in NOVA who work for the federal government won’t be coming with us in the Republic of Dixie. The great bulk of the Jews in South Florida (where over half the Jewish population in Dixie lives) are snowbirds from states like New York and New Jersey who will simply die out over the next twenty to thirty years.

In the 2012 election, Barack Obama won 69% of the Jewish vote nationwide. In a 2010 Gallup poll of ideology by religion, 43% of the Jews described themselves as “liberal,” 35% as “moderate,” and 20% as “conservative.” A Pew poll recently found that 66% of Jews are “Democrat/Lean Democrat.”

How does this relate to our strategy of encouraging Southerners to revolt in defense of Christianity and their own conservative values? If that actually happened and the Southern states seceded from the Union, it means that Jews who are among the most liberal Democrats in America would among the unhappiest people in the Republic of Dixie, and huge numbers of them would self deport to the United States.

If the Southern states seceded from the Union, we would lose the capacity to fight foreign wars for Israel, which is a common criticism made by White Nationalists, and it is even more unlikely that we could sustain foreign aid to Israel in light of the high costs of the transition to independence.

The Jewish progressive social agenda would be totally and utterly defeated. Every Southern state would ban gay marriage and abortion. Christianity would aggressively move into the public schools and the public square. The site of the cross would have an effect that would look something like this:

Does this solve the Jewish Question? No, but secession alone will ameliorate the problem, break the Jewish stranglehold over Dixie, and put Southern White Christians in charge of their own fate. Without the interference of Washington, they will chart a radically different course, one which liberal Jews will find extremely inhospitable and probably so offensive that they will leave.

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  1. This is good. A vision is starting to emerge. You may want to think about how one might explain why the nations/peoples existing WITHIN Dixie (Marsh Cajuns, Low Country Carolinians, Piney Woods Baptists) have more in common with each other than with the rest of America. In other words, what makes “us” a people any more than the various Identity Factions of Yankeedom?

  2. HW- What kind of time frame would you say exists for secession? Most of the south is already >20% black, >5% yankee carpetbaggers, 5-10% mexican (legal or otherwise), and at least 15-20% homegrown DWL’s. These numbers are only going to get worse and worse.

  3. One more thing: What is to be done with the millions of blacks around if this is to be an ethnostate? Can an ethnicity be multi-racial? What of blacks with a long-standing claim on being Southrons? Can blacks BE Southrons, in your mind? As a life-long Southerner (until 2010), the idea of a black-free Southland seems somehow very UN-Southern.

  4. You still might have the makings of an ethno-state in Dixie made up of those of Northwestern European ancestry. But, to get any real secession movement going in the legislatures of several states would be very hard, if not impossible as a practical matter. When you get 2 men or women elected to the Alabama legislature as Secessionists I will lower the odds against you.

  5. “everything you say is spot on. but what about the non-southern whites…” – The same five options pretty much apply to us all.

  6. Negroes and Hispanics will by and large self-deport based on several policies enacted towards accomplishing that end. Those policies would be:

    1) heavy civil penalties and possible criminal penalties for hiring a non-citizen;
    2) severe curtailment if not complete elimination of all welfare;
    3) complete freedom of association in private relations and business;
    4) breakup of large media companies to end the quasi-monopoly they currently operate under;
    5) strict enforcement of meritocracy in public employment;
    6) immediate deportment for illegals with forfeiture of assets to the prosecuting law enforcement agency;
    7) expanding prison capacity by bringing back chain-gangs and prison farms to insure that Negro criminals are removed from society;
    8) limit legal immigration to people of European descent and offer asylum to persecuted whites such as those in southern Africa;
    9) replace the universal franchise with weighted voting based on the amount of taxes paid which will effectively disenfranchise the majority of Negroes; and
    10) replace public education with private education.

    There are more reforms that can be put in place that would reduce the non-white population by encouraging the emigration or self-deportation of non-whites. But these would be a good start. Let’s face it with reforms such as these the Mexicans would return to Mexico and the Negroes would leave the South for greener pastures.

  7. If whites-as-a-race is too abstract for the foundation of an ethnostate, then:

    1. Allowing immigration of whites simply because they are white would subvert the ethnostate.

    2. Excluding blacks-as-a-race would be too abstract a criterion as well. After all, there are Southern Blacks, and most American Blacks have some Southern roots. Aren’t they ethnically more similar to Southern whites than Southern whites are to Yankees?

    I think the Republic of Dixie, defined merely as an ethnostate, could end up refusing South African Boers as too “foreign.” But they would end up clinging to “good” local Negroes, because Southerners don’t hate blacks as individuals. Or do concerns like this require too much abstract reasoning to be taken seriously?

    “I just couldn’t do without my good black friends” says the middle class farm woman in Flannery O’Connor’s “Revelation,” but she sure could do without the white trash clogging up her doctor’s waiting room. But hey, that’s her ethnicity speaking! She don’t need no fancy abstractions about race and racial solidarity.

    On the other hand, if it is not too abstract to exclude blacks-as-a-race, then why is not also not too abstract to include whites-as-a-race? Hunter clearly hates blacks as a race. So that’s not too abstract for him. But he can’t bring himself to love whites as a race.

    That aside, I love the idea of the Republic of Dixie. I wish ya’ll the best. I want the US to break up on as many different lines as possible. I just hope that your ethnonationalism will be informed by a sense of wider white racial solidarity.

  8. W&C-“Negroes and Hispanics will by and large self-deport based on several policies enacted towards accomplishing that end. Those policies would be: …”

    How do you get blacks, mexicans, yankee carpetbaggers, and DWL’s in the south to support secession based on those policies?

  9. Terrible Tommy is right: FREEDOM ONLY COMES THRU BLOOD, NOT PAPER. Also Pastor Martin Lindstedt is right about Tribulation, Whiggers and Warlords. The Khazar World Empire (Kahilla) will never give up their power. Louis Beam, R.D. Bradshaw and Terrible Tommy -Tom Metzger are right about why Lone Wolf. The Babylon Third and Final will IMPOLDE as Lindstedt explains so well. of R.D, Bradshaw has alot of good info on Khazars and DSCI. Hunter–Pastor Buddy Tucker had the most militant DIXIE MOVEMENT—NEWS. Check out his NEWS FLAG OTHER ARTICLES………

  10. Greg, non-Southron whites would in time assimilate. By and large they would not come in such massive numbers to overwhelm native Southrons short of an event such as mass slaughter in the streets in their home countries. There are two reasons for this. One whites can build and maintain their own societies and need not resort to the role of parasite. Secondly an independent South would not be a welfare state so the only incentive for a white person to come to an independent South would be to live in a white country and help build it up. Additionally a white South would provide political support for other countries comprised of native whites to remain white. An independent South I’m sure would have maintained relations with Apartheid South Africa and the former Rhodesia. An independent South therefore would decrease the likelihood of white persecution.

  11. TMT — Episode #150.5 — Making Neo-Dixie Dreams a Reality

    The biggest news this past week was Hunter Wallace of Occidental Dissent and the gut-sick guido kiken-weasel with Crohn’s/jew ass-GAIDS. i.e. Alex Lender/Linder of VNNF/TGMNNF/GFRTCNNF having a series of ‘debates’ under the moderation of the Roid-Rage-Retard Jim Giles of Radio F[r]ee Mississippi. Jim Giles, being of uncertain temper and dubious emotional stability, has cancelled, then re-instated the third of these discussions. But for now Hunter Wallace is having to give substance to his dream.

    Now what needs to be understood is that the ‘Bama Boyz’ have wanted a rematch since 1865, and as ZOG falls apart under “BRA — Black Run AmurrriKwa” that opportunities for secession shall arise. The question is what to do with the niggers, beaners and race-traitor whiggers. Of course we all know what will happen to such — they will have to be run off or exterminated — but Hunter wants to pull a Mittens on such and suggest that they shall “somehow deport” theysselfs. Huh.

    Meanwhile Rabbi Lender kept on yapping about the superiority of Northern yankee [jews] and how White Nationalism ought to observe and follow the example of Golden Dawn of Greece. How there needs to be a Whigger Fuktard Party run by TraitorGlenn Miller putting all them Greater Free Range Tard Corral meercat fuktards under some sort of colostomy-bag likkin’ Bondage & Discipline and getting sum unspecified stupid shit done.

    Lender/Linder and sundry jewboy and mamzer fuktards were pissing and shitting over Hunter, and Hunter’s friends, especially myself. Oh well.

    Meanwhile, the jew yawk shitty jewboys like Peter(less) Goodman/mamzer, of Radio F[r]ee NimTardation was coonducting a show wanting to be a part of this shit. jewromy Visser, Chief Lying Fuktarded Melungeon Pisser-Possum and its secret manginaed jewboy Obie-gender-bender-pissers-poofter-possum want to be a part of this while trying to hide theyz snouts and tails. Oh well. At least jewromy and Obie-gender-bender did a Pisser-Possum-Turd and kvetched some.

    This weeks level of fuktardation was an ebb tide getting back to [ab]normal.


    Hunter Wallace is invited to call in after 9:30 pm CST, for a friendly discussion as to the specifics of his dream. The previous show on Sunday, in which he appeared for 3 hours 10 minutes is re-engineered and up on Talkshoe for downloading.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin LD Lindstedt CJCC/AN

  12. Err: I meant to write: “On the other hand, if it is not too abstract to exclude blacks-as-a-race, then why is it too abstract to include whites-as-a-race?”

    I am not sure that non-Southern whites would really assimilate to Dixie’s culture. I lived in the South for 16 years (!!!!), and I was never tempted to assimilate to Southern cookin’.

  13. Although the regional cuisines in Charleston and New Orleans are fantastic.

    But that raises a question: Is Dixie too culturally heterogeneous to be a single nation? After all, voting Republican in a two-party race is a pretty thin criterion for common identity, which masks a lot of heterogeneity. How much does Texas have in common with Virginia? Does Texas have more in common with Virginia or with Arizona?

  14. Fascinating, that Largest Ancestry map! Here in Massachusetts, Irish almost goes without saying, and St. Patty’s Day is for everyone. There are a smaller number who, like me, are Anglo-Saxon, but answering “American” would be sure to bring queer stares. I didn’t know there was a region where the plurality would say “American”! No wonder they’re still duped into Union patriotism!

    Since I’m also German, however, I would probably fit in better in Covington’s Northwest American Republic. And gotta love those Mormons: thanks to their migration, there’s still a whole English state!

    (One question to wonder: just where did the non-Mexican Spanish in northern New Mexico come from? I don’t know. Are they residual White Spanish?)

  15. Dixie is a real nation.

    No, Dixie is an abstract notion. A real nation has real borders, like Catalonia, Flanders, Scotland and Quebec do.

    The international border between the Republic of Dixie and the United States would start at the Atlantic, run under the NOVA counties in Virginia before moving up toward the Shenandoah Valley, it would wrap around West Virginia excluding the Northern Panhandle, follow the Ohio River around Kentucky to Missouri, where it would follow I-44 through Missouri toward Oklahoma before sweeping around the Texas-New Mexico border and down through the Anglo-Hispanic ethnic fault line in South Texas toward the Gulf of Mexico.

    How are these borders any less arbitrary and ridiculous than those of Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic? Do you think you can just carve up states like Virginia, West Virginia, Missouri and Texas in some God-like fashion to suit your particular tastes? Is there even one other Southern nationalist who has signed onto your version of the international borders of the “Republic of Dixie”?

    Meanwhile, back on Earth, Alabama’s secession petition now has more than 30,000 signatures. I’m going to guess that Occidental Dissent is the leading secessionist blog in Alabama, yet, incredibly, OD has been dead-silent about the secession of your own state! You haven’t said a single word in support of the independence of Alabama. Do you oppose it? Did you even sign the petition? Thirty-thousand Alabamians are clamouring for independence and all we get from Hunter Wallace is crickets, not leadership.

    I can’t even believe how badly you’re wasting this golden opportunity. How many people have signed the various state secession petitions? Probably close to a million by now. How many people have signed the Dixie secession petition? None, because just like Dixie, it doesn’t actually exist. Yet you divert all your energies away from the secession movement that’s actually happening back to your own little pet project of an independent Dixie. Are you really that determined to throw away this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to break away from the United States?

    Remember the discussions here about the Vanguardists versus the Mainstreamers? Well Hunter, you have become what you once condemned: a reality-challenged Vanguardist holding on to your dead-end fantasy of a neo-Confederacy against the reality-based Mainstreamers who are seriously working for state secession. You are outnumbered a million to one, so why not switch over to the winning team and start promoting the independence of a real-world place like Alabama rather than an amorphous entity like “Dixie”? This is an issue tailor-made for a secessionist like you, so you should start burnishing your credentials as Alabama’s number one supporter of independence rather than just another deluded internet fantasist, the Covington of the Southeast.

  16. jeppo,

    For someone who doesn’t even live in the United States, you are full of your usual insights about the South this evening. I’m out jogging this evening in Alabama less than a mile from the Georgia border and I am awed by the cultural chasm on the other side of the Chattahoochee River!

  17. Of course I signed the secession petitions. I signed all of them. I was one of the first people to write about the story. I was one of the first people to sign even the Texas petition.

  18. The opinion that Dixie is not real,while Alabama is ,seems to originate outside of actual experience. Dixie is very real.In fact it is the only real country with its own burden of history on this continent.The rest are administrative mostly entities arbitrarily superimposed on geography. The South has everything a Nation has to have to be one.Not to see it is some kind of spiteful optics.

  19. Any scenario that leads to a collection of states aligned with Texas will and must include -not just Oklahoma – but Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota., North Dakota, western Iowa, southern Illinois, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho.

    I give you 5 phases:

    1: Our current phase: making Texas secession the mainstream solution to contemporary problems. We do this with a crescendo of agitation centered around the crises of the Union.

    2: Texas moves toward secession which would likely include a non-binding referendum followed by formal state government action.

    3. Once done, other states will clamor to seceed. And join Texas.

    4. Regions smaller than states in the remaining union states file for secession from their states and joining Greater Texas. Southern Illinois comes to mind as the classic example of a region that has asked for this already.

    5. Greater Texas sits down with the United States to trade regions which would naturally be happier in the other coalition, based on the Partition of India and Pakistan.

    This need not be explicitly white at first, and we need to bring back the concept of “implicitly white.”

    Any implicitly white nation will become explicitly white in short order based on Mantra thinking and growing awareness of White Genocide. I would hate for explicit whiteness to be a sticking point, and a “libertarian” model is probably best. This needs to be the focus of the next debate with Linder, whose Golden Dawn emulation strategy is counter productive and asinine.

  20. Looking at the Ancestry Map (above) the stated willingness to include the state of Wyoming (in which the majority ethnicity is not Anglo-Celtic) in the future Ethno-republic seems odd.

    I also think that by working “only within the South in order to exacerbate sectional polarization” you might harm and even alienate many other equally conservative, even equally secession-minded whites of very similar or identical genetic heritage who live in the other states. Some of the best people and most of the best farming land on the continent should not be written off or abandoned in the good effort to conserve the southeastern portion.

  21. I don’t think that there’s a cultural chasm on the other side of the Chattahoochee River either. But it is an actual border, it has been for about two centuries, it’s legally and internationally recognized as the border between AL and GA, and neither side contests it. As borders go, it’s a pretty good one.

    However, you claim that there really is a cultural chasm on the other side of the I-44. Is that where you suppose the damnyankees start, worshipping negros and celebrating sodomites just north of the I-44? While south of it are only righteous, God-fearing Southrons? Amirite?

    How exactly would that work as a border anyway? Westbound lanes in the US and eastbound lanes in Dixie? New England clam chowder going west and biscuits and gravy going east? Could each nation set different speed limits on their side of the highway? Which side would get to keep the name Missouri? Or would there be a North and South Missouri? What are the odds that the Yankees will ever agree an international border along an interstate highway? So many questions, so few answers.

    PS, go home John 🙂

  22. “Any implicitly white nation will become explicitly white in short order based on Mantra thinking”:

    “Mantra Thinking” — a new kind of thinking?

  23. It’s interesting you bring up prison farms. I recently came across this piece of anti-southern propaganda. All Steens and Stiens roll credits. A hand-full of Jewish propaganda artists and agitators brought down Jim Crow. Nobody in the north gave a shit until the “proper authorities” hit the switch on the propaganda machine.

    You cannot ignore the jewish question. I don’t mean the Israeli question, I mean jews amongst you. If the Civil War was wrought by agitating New Englanders, the “Civil Rights” movement was jewish to the core. The way both succeeded was by demonizing the South in the eyes of the nose-to-the-grindstone northern grazers. The jewish question is directly related to the way they control the propaganda mouthpieces.

  24. Re: jewpo

    1.) I just drove over to Georgia across the Chattahoochee River to get a diet soda. I can’t discern any cultural difference between the west bank and the east bank of the Lower Chattahoochee Valley.

    According to you, I have crossed the border between the Atlantic South and Transappalachia. What do I know about this area? I’ve only lived here for most of my life and the only meaningful difference to anyone here is Eastern Standard and Central Standard Time.

    2.) Having lived in Virginia, I can report that anyone who says there is no difference between Lynchburg and Arlington is a liar. NOVA is overrun by transplants who work in the Beltway.

    3.) Alex Linder and Martin Lindstedt might be able to find some common ground on the cultural fault line in Missouri. I’ve never been there myself but the area south of I-44 is reportedly different from Northern Missouri.

  25. Oddly enough I drive on the 44 everyday.

    I’d include St Charles in the Confederacy. So the Missouri River itself is a better boundary. St Charles is very white. It’s almost certainly a sundowner type of place too. The 44 is too far south. The River Confluence is where the Southern attitude starts.

  26. St Charles is a very tranquil place.

    Also the 44 cuts right through St Louis. It would become like Berlin if you sliced it along the 44.

  27. Mantra thinking refers to Bob Whitaker’s “anti-racism is a code word for anti-white” and that only white countries have to be subjected to genocide through demoralization and assimilation.

    It is an important parallel effort to secession but it needs to be kept behind a firewall and work its magic surreptitiously.

    The “mantra” equivalent for secession is flags and other territorial dominance displays that hack directly into the mammalian brain.

  28. HW:

    I think my White nationalism is largely congruent with your vision. The European dispora in America is a nation with a common culture (Christian), a common language (English) and of course a common ancestry. All we need are natural borders.

    Unfortunately, I’m not sure that the borders of the former CSA are our borders. When ethnicity of “the South” is examined on a county-by-county basis, the picture that emerges looks less like a solidly White Dixie and more like Yugoslavia circa 1992. Sorting out that mess won’t be easy.

    Then there is the matter of Dixie’s historical baggage. No matter how noble our desire to secede may actually be, BRA’s propaganda empire will make certain that all the rest of America (and the world) will see in any neo-Confederate movement is slavery, the Klan, and Bull Connor attacking Negro children with firehoses and dogs. It will be as if Prussia were trying to secede from Germany. Everybody hates Prussia, and everybody will be made to hate the “new Confederacy”. The DWLs that control BRA will see to that.

    All that being said: I think your vision is fundamentally sound and workable over the long term. In the short term, however, I think our first task should be to establish and nurture a genuine sense of national identity among American Whites. Most Whites in America do not think of themselves as being part of a White nation. White identity must be re-established among the diaspora here in America in order for any sort of ethnonational project to succeed. This opening of the eyes of White America is my purpose at The Oculus Report, and it is the reason I constantly reiterate the Three Truths in my writings.

    In my opinion, we must awaken the White nation here in America before we can hope of a White state — in Dixie, or anywhere else. Here’s to our success in that endeavor.

  29. There were slave plantations up and down the Missouri too. When Solomon, Seigel et al campaigned along the river they burned out farm owners who were invariably Confederates. The people around St Charles clearly are a conservative whitopia community. Well north of the 44.

  30. “Republic of Dixie”

    One criticism, Mr. Hunter. The name of the new nation in your proposal is fairly uninspiring. I would suggest the name “Antebellum.” It has a nicer ring to it while also getting the point across.

  31. Posted at VDARE, November 28, 11:41 pm: “John Derbyshire’s Google Reader: Keeping Up With The Dark Enlightenment.” The piece includes Mr. Derbyshire’s alphabetic list of the blogs he finds “most useful.” The one O entry reads as follows:

    Occidental Dissent. If you think the South will rise again, or wish it to (I wouldn’t mind), Hunter Wallace is your man.

  32. “….I didn’t know there was a region where the plurality would say “American”! No wonder they’re still duped into Union patriotism!….”

    that “American” area is among the least likely to feel much “patriotism” to the union; it marks off area of some of the most long-lived people in the country, with the longest historical memories.

    Many really don’t understand with any depth, that many in america really have lived OUTSIDE Europe for 400 years. That’s a long time. The European fights really are not their fights. They don’t really care about Europe. The whole bitch fest with catholics and jews is just not very interesting (although due to their immigration, they have to deal with it).

    Honestly, I don’t even know —given the separation of the founders ethnic group from Europe— if they even share the same GENES as in Europe.

    400 years of “selecting” for other traits might be a significant amount of time. (Contrasted to 400 years of living in little land-locked countries in “europe” and “selecting” for whatever jews and catholics over there happen to “select” for.)

    Genetically, the u.s. founders, pioneers, may well be very different by this point.

    “Anglos” from Virginia, for instance, who arrived in 1650 grew in new ways, and also escaped the BS of europe for another 350 years.

    Those “mer-cans” are not like the northeast patriotards at all.

  33. “…..(One question to wonder: just where did the non-Mexican Spanish in northern New Mexico come from? I don’t know. Are they residual White Spanish?)….”

    Bussed in to take the administrative jobs that involve processing the non-whites for big tax bucks. The mexicans are just the wave before the white spaniards, really. They go hand-in-hand, the bi-linguals needed to liase for the new populations.

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